Not just for Honduras anymore

Cheney orders th CIA 2 hide the truth from cong & Obama admin & CIA does it- how is that not a coup attempt?

UPDATE: Meanwhile, Holder seems to want to investigate Bush's torture nation

Yeah ! This thread isn't all pucked up !

Home page is still messed up,though..

I think it was your videos on last thread,Sam..

Not sure though..

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

D'oh!

Fooled again.

"Meet the new boss - same as the old boss": S.O.S.

We're still fools.

Howdy

whats up with everyone??
Having a good weekend I hope:)

MMR - I'm still grooving clean on safari

Isn't firefox one of those microsoft tentacles? Hmmm -

(can you tell i'm typing with one hand?)

Weird weekend

But getting better, sm #43

C'mon Sunday! I'm gonna kneel at the cosmic carnal altar tomorrow afternoon.

Now, I guess all of us here are marking time - gotta look up the etymology of that phrase.

lovely but VERY hot day here.

Bgurl was close to heat stroke at the Saturday Market.

the dogs panting and me sweating every time we did anything outside in the sun.

paint sure drying fast though!

O for Dry, Sunshine!

East coast: It's warm, not scorching, and the sweats - projectile sweat drops - shoot from every pore because it's so fucking humid. Maybe you've heard Maron kvetch about this this past week.
NOTHING dries here; everything sort of sticks together, even metal things.

This Sunday's Talk Show Lineup

Brick TeeVee Match-Up Sunday!
http://www.samsedershow.com/node/5017

Enjoy!

Thanks FilthyRich..

Cat 5e CatChew
Submitted by FilthyRich on Sun, 07/12/2009 - 2:25am.
Is that PLENUM RATED? (aka fire regs for over drop ceilings, etc.)
*******

on the Ethernet Chord info..

http://www.samsedershow.com/node/5015#comment-353041

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Woman held for noisy sex 'breach'


BBC

A woman has been remanded in custody accused of breaching an Asbo banning her from being noisy during sex.

Neighbours complained of hearing Caroline Cartwright, 48, groaning and her bed banging against the wall at her home in Washington, Wearside.

Earlier this month she was given a four-year Asbo banning her from making excessive noise anywhere in England.

But she appeared in court on Monday, charged with three breaches of her Asbo in just 10 days.

She was remanded in custody until 5 May.

Cartwright was convicted of five breaches of a noise abatement notice on 17 April and fined £515.

But Houghton le Spring Magistrates' Court heard police arrested her on 18 April, on 22 April and again on 26 April, after reports from neighbours she was flouting the ban with her husband Steve.

Prosecutor Claire Ward said neighbours complained to police about early morning noises including shouting and groaning coming from the Cartwrights' home in Hall Road, Concord, Washington.

Cartwright elected to be tried by jury and the case will be transferred to Newcastle Crown Court at a later date.

Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket Free Democracy

Sunday Talking Heads: July 12, 2009

Washington Journal: 7:30am – Ed Whelan, Ethics & Public Policy Center, President. 8am – Maria Cardona, Hispanics for a Fair Judiciary, Founding Member. 9am – Alim Seytoff, Uyghur American Association, VP. 9:30am – Jonathan Morgenstein, Third Way, Senior Nat’l Security Policy Adviser. journal@c-span.org

ABC's This Week: Senate whips Sen. Richard Durbin (D-IL), and Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ). Roundtable: George Will, Donna Brazile, Cokie Roberts, Sam Donaldson, Bob Woodward. contact George

CBS' Face The Nation: Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor's confirmation hearings. Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT); and the ranking member Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL). contact Bob Schieffer

Chris Matthews: Dan Rather HDNet Global Correspondent; Joan Biskupic USA Today Supreme Court Correspondent; Helene Cooper The New York Times White House Correspondent; Pete Williams NBC News Justice Correspondent. Topics: How will Sonia Sotomayor change the U.S. Supreme Court if she is confirmed? How has President Obama made himself so effective at absorbing shocks? contact Chris

CNN's State of The Union: Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius discusses health care reform and the administration's response to the H1N1 virus. Then, Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-MI), Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH), Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN), and Sen. Kent Conrad (D-ND) on health care reform and the stimulus. contact CNN

Fareed Zakaria - GPS: Secretary of Treasury Tim Geithner on the economic crisis. "Did those green shoots we were seeing turn brown? And is Geithner doing enough to fix the problem?" Plus, Boris Nemtsov, the leader of the Russian opposition, "one of the biggest thorns in Prime Minister Putin's side. Obama quietly met with him in Russia this week." Contact Fareed at GPS@cnn.com

Fox News Sunday: Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor's confirmation hearings. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), and John Cornyn (R-TX). Their 'Right Now' series continues with House Minority Whip Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA). email fns@foxnews.com

NBC's Meet The Press: Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY). Roundtable: Karen Hughes, Andrea Mitchell, Bob Shrum, and Roger Simon. contact David

60 Minutes: Kill Bin Laden - The officer who led the army's Delta Force mission to kill Osama bin Laden after 9/11 reveals what really happened in Tora Bora, Afghanistan, when the al-Qaeda leader narrowly escaped. Eyewitness - Flaws in eyewitness testimony that are at the heart of the DNA exonerations of falsely convicted people like Ronald Cotton, who has forgiven his accuser, Jennifer Thompson. (This is a double-length segment.).

Posted a Raw Story about this on last thread

Attorney General may launch torture
probe against Bush administration

Contrary to White House wishes, Attorney General Eric Holder may push forward with a criminal investigation into the Bush administration's harsh interrogation practices used on suspected terrorists.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090712/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_holder_interrog...

But is it really contrary to White House wishes? Or is it an under the table encouragement? We will see if Holder starts an investigation and how strongly the WH fights him on it.

Iraqi forces not seeking US

Iraqi forces not seeking
US help in urban combat

Iraqi forces have not called for U.S. help in urban combat since June 30, when U.S. combat troops withdrew from city and town centers under a bilateral security agreement, a senior U.S. official said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090712/ts_nm/us_iraq_usa_troops

General Motors to

General Motors to try
selling new cars on eBay

As part of its turnaround plan, General Motors Corp. said it plans to experiment with auctioning new cars on eBay, expanding on an existing partnership covering certified used vehicles on the online marketplace

http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090710/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_gm_bankruptcy_...

I'm old school! I want to look at a car up close and personal and take it for a test drive b4 I buy a car!

Good Morning Sederville! It's Pt. cloudy & 63°

UK Parliament to investigate police following News Corp hacking

by Chris in Paris on 7/12/2009 03:34:00 AM
This case becomes more interesting by the day, unless you are Rupert Murdoch. Who is next to be indicated in the phone hacking/spying case?
The Metropolitan Police could face a new House of Commons inquiry into whether officers are routinely paid by journalists to obtain confidential information about celebrities and suspects, in a fresh twist to the tabloid phone-hacking scandal.

The home affairs select committee will meet on Tuesday to decide whether to launch a full inquiry into how private information such as criminal and DVLA records have been obtained by private investigators, who have then sold them on to journalists.

http://www.americablog.com/

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‘C Street’ group tied to

‘C Street’ group tied to Ensign is linked to yet another secretive group

The powerful and secretive group known as the Fellowship Foundation or the “Family” is quickly gaining notoriety, due to its links to two scandal-plagued Republicans, Senator John Ensign of Nevada and Governor Mark Sanford of South Carolina.

According to the Washington Post, however, the Fellowship Foundation is itself linked to an even more secretive religious organization — Youth With a Mission (YWAM), whose Washington, DC branch owns the “C Street House” where Ensign has lived and where Sanford has participated in Bible study.

A diarist at Daily Kos points out that “YWAM founder leader Loren Cunningham has publicly outlined a vision for Christian world-control,” which involves establishing domination over government, education, business, the media, and other areas.

The last time YWAM came to notice was in 2006, when Loren Cunningham’s son, David Cunningham, gained attention as the director of ABC’s bitterly anti-Clinton “docudrama,” The Path to 9/11. According to Talking Points Memo, the younger Cunningham’s ties to YWAM were discovered by Digby and discussed at length on both Daily Kos and Democratic Underground.

Cunningham was found to be particularly involved in a YWAM offshoot known as The Film Institute, whose goal is to place its graduates “within the film industry, not to give them jobs, but so that they can begin to impact and transform Hollywood from the inside out.”

Dave Neiwert, a dedicated student of extremist groups, brought together a variety of items relating to YWAM’s aims for worldly domination, commenting that what he found especially interesting was “the way these supposedly forthright Christians are now busy covering the tracks connecting them to The Path to 9/11. All this snooping is obviously making them nervous.”

YWAM has also been accused of having cult-like tendencies, which were detailed at length in an article published in 1990 that described both the brainwashing-like techniques employed in its Discipleship Training Schools and its financial exploitation of its recruits.

In 2006, a poster at a Catholic message board noted with alarm that YWAM appeared to be attempting to infiltrate Catholic Churches in Europe and Africa by setting up Discipleship Training Schools.

“YWAM Has been under investigation as a possible cult,” the poster wrote. “Several complaints have been filed with the San Francisco City Hall Mayor’s Office regarding YWAM ‘missionaries’ harassment of homeless Catholics and Gays. On several occasions homeless Catholics were not allowed to pray their rosaries at the YWAM mission because YWAMers believe that the rosary is idol worship. One YWAMer even threatened to throw a homeless man’s rosary into the garbage simply because she saw it lying on the couch. On another occasion a homeless man who happened to be Gay was told by several YWAMers that he should ‘come to Jesus because Jesus will make you straight’. They continued to do this even after he repeatedly stated that he did not want to be made straight.”

http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/07/11/c-street-group-tied-to-ensign-is-...

Child Poverty Rising, Report

Child Poverty Rising, Report Says

By Annie Gowen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, July 11, 2009

A growing number of American children are living in poverty and with unemployed parents, and are facing the threat of hunger, according to a federal report released yesterday.

According to the report, "America's Children: Key National Indicators of Well-Being," 18 percent of all children 17 and younger were living in poverty in 2007, up from 17 percent in 2006. The percentage of children with at least one parent working full time was 77 percent in 2007, down from 78 percent in 2006. Those living in households where parents described children as being hungry, having skipped a meal or having gone without eating for an entire day increased from 0.6 percent in 2006 to 0.9percent in 2007, the report said.

Federal officials said the statistics predate the current economic downturn, and forecast harder times for some of the country's 74 million children 17 and younger.

"It foreshadows greater changes we'll see when we look at these figures next year," said Duane Alexander, director of the Eunice Kennedy Shriver National Institute of Child Health and Human Development at the National Institutes of Heath, one of the government agencies that participated in the study.

The report is an annual compilation of statistics on child welfare from several agencies, including the Census Bureau. It tracks trends in family life, health care, safety and education. Despite the small changes, the government said it reported only developments that were greater than the study's margin of error.

Drawing on previously released Census data, the report painted a picture of a young population holding steady at about 24 percent, a proportion not expected to change through 2021.

But the report also showed that younger Americans' racial and ethnic backgrounds and living circumstances are undergoing dramatic shifts. The percentage of children who are Hispanic, for example, has increased faster than for any other racial or ethnic group, from 9 percent of the population in 1980 to 22 percent in 2008.

In 2007, 40 percent of all children were born to unmarried women, up from 34 percent in 2002, according to the report, which reiterated a federal study of birth certificates released this year. more...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/10/AR200907...

How Rove Said He'd Answer Siegelman Prosecution Queries

While the details of Karl Rove's eight-hour deposition Tuesday before the House Judiciary Committee remain unknown, Rove has provided insight into how he said he intended to answer the panel's questions. The deposition concerned Rove's role in the firings of nine US attorneys and the alleged political prosecution of former Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman.

In March, during a little-known interview on Fox News, where Rove is a contributor, Rove told Chris Wallace that he has already responded to questions about Siegelman's prosecution and has posted his answers to written questions on his web site, Rove.com.

"My understanding is I am going to be questioned both about the US attorneys [dismissals] and about the allegations that I was responsible for the prosecution of Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman ... a lot of these answers, particularly with regard to Siegelman, are already on my web site," Rove said in the March 8 interview.

Last December, Rove obtained a copy of an e-mail Siegelman had sent to his supporters who contributed to his legal defense fund. Rove blogged about it under a headline in which he portrayed himself as a victim: "Personal Responsibility: Who Needs It When You Can Blame Karl Rove?" www.rove.com/notes?page=4 (sixth item down from the top).

"Below is a fundraising letter sent out by Friends of Don Siegelman 2008. Despite that it has no basis in fact, I thought you might find it amusing. In case you're interested, visit these links for the facts," Rove wrote.

Rove then posted links to four documents on his web site, one of which was his response to questions posed to him last July by Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas. Smith, the ranking minority member of the Judiciary Committee, has been a vocal critic of the panel's chairman John Conyers's attempts to force Rove to comply with numerous congressional subpoenas about the firings of federal prosecutors and the prosecution of Siegelman. Rove subsequently defied the subpoenas on executive privilege grounds.

con't

http://www.truthout.org/071109A

A secret shame: Inside the

A secret shame: Inside the latest scandal to rock the Catholic church

When Todd Carpunky was 16, he joined the Legion of Christ. I his six years with the Catholic order, he bore witness to a culture of sexual abuse that rocked the Church. Here, he talks candidly to Peter Stanford about the secretive world created by the order's founder while the papal authorities looked the other way

The papal plane is heading for Mexico and John Paul II is busy preparing for the first of his many overseas trips. It is January 1979. At his right hand, briefing him, is the Mexican-born Father Marcial Maciel Degollado, founder of the ultraconservative Legion of Christ, one of the youngest but fastest-growing religious orders in the Catholic Church. This dapper, well-connected priest, worshipped by his adoring followers as "Nuestro Padre" ("Our Father") shares with the Polish pontiff a conviction that the liberal reform of Catholicism in the 1960s needs to be halted, especially in Latin America.

That trip was the first public sign of the extraordinary bond between Maciel and the man in charge of a church of 1.2 billion souls. In the subsequent 26 years of John Paul's reign, the Legion was regularly lauded by him for its unwavering fidelity to church teaching, its intolerance of dissent, and its conviction that only Catholicism could save the world. Maciel was a prince of the Church, in the papal inner circle, sitting on the most important Vatican committees and running his own congregation of 800 priests and 2,500 seminarians, plus the 70,000 lay members of the associated Regnum Christi movement, as it spread around the globe, including a base in London.

Much has been made of the power wielded by the secretive Opus Dei under John Paul II, not least by Dan Brown in The Da Vinci Code, but many Vatican-watchers believe that the Legion of Christ was bigger, richer (annual budget £435m), more influential, and even more sinister.

Parents of youngsters recruited as Legionaries described it as a cult that targeted the young and naive in particular, some of them just 13, and then "brainwashed" them. But it is Maciel himself who has proved most controversial. Nuestro Padre was, according to one biographer, "a narcissistic sociopath" with a taste for flights on Concorde and five-star hotels. He is acknowledged by the Legion to have fathered at least one child – a 23-year-old daughter said to be called Norma Hilda and now living in Madrid.

It has also been alleged that he was a paedophile. The first accusation came in 1976 from the former head of the Legion in the US. By 1998, the Vatican had received sworn statements from eight men, all detailing how Maciel had abused them when they were young recruits.

Throughout the 1990s, a series of allegations of sexual abuse of minors by priests that had been covered up by the church authorities shook Catholicism in America, Canada, Australia, Ireland, the UK and other countries. At least two cardinals were forced to retire, dozens of paedophile priests were jailed for their crimes, and the Church paid out millions of pounds in compensation to victims. The damage to its reputation in the eyes of its own congregations has been huge, and bishops have struggled to convince sceptics that they have put into place procedures rigorous enough to ensure that such a betrayal never happens again.

Yet in Maciel's case, it took 30 years – until 2006, after John Paul's death – for the new pope, Benedict XVI, finally to issue a public rebuke, and then it was simply an order that he should see out his days in private prayer rather than face a court. The long delay is evidence, some have suggested, that the Vatican still does not take the issue of paedophile priests sufficiently seriously. more...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/a-secret-shame-inside-the...

I've had a religious past

but from what I am reading...religion, today, is the biggest scam ever. Brain-washing? pedophilia? A grand scheme to change the world? Televangelicals raising money for huge churches and followers willing to leave them all their money when they die and the leaders living like kings with power over the people?

Why would you want to join a religion today? What good do they do for humanity? They're on par with and in many ways worse than governments because you can't vote them out.

Even sexual scandals and sexual perversions haven't hurt them.
And people are willingly giving them their money, even when they can't afford to.

We live in a sick world today!

Attack Of The 50 Ft. Chew

Submitted by Cat Chew on Sun, 07/12/2009 - 12:39am.
50 ft. Cat...($8.79 + shipping + CA sales tax)
50 ft. Cat...($7.49 + shipping + CA sales tax)
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I smell a rat. I mean a Cat.

Lol!

I dunno if anyone's been following the Kos calling out racist Freepers saga, (they basically made a shitload of racist comments about a pic of Malia Obama in Italy and are now trying to justify them) but it started a few days ago and is snowballing something fierce!

There's been something in the rec list about it since Friday and I guess Freepers are popping circuits and trying desperately to control the message, which is totally uncontrollable.

Shuster sez he's gonna cover it come Mon. I'll bet it'll be all over the blogs today and that KO and Rachel pick it up too. I'll also bet that in a weasely attempt to get in front of it, Scarborough and Mika denounce it but will be compelled to mention that similar comments were made about the Palin kids.

If this does go big it will be interesting to see how far back and into thread comments people are going to dig.

"this machine kills fascists"

mishld's Hubby Is Nuts!

1980 HMV Freeway, three-wheel, enclosed minicar
Submitted by mishld on Sun, 07/12/2009 - 8:45am.
Hubby almost bought one of those long ago. We went to look at a yellow one in one of the Boston suburbs in the early 1980s.

The wide front view is not how I remember it, not the angle
you really see them from...
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All of the still photos are misleading when viewed alone. Somewhere on the Internets (I am unable to find it again) is a photo of an HMV Freeway parked next to a VW Bug, which gives a good sense of scale. The Bug looms menacingly.

Below is a YouTube link to a 1 minute, 11 second video (with audio) of an HMV Freeway. The camera circles the car before it is driven away...sounding like a Tecumsah-powered lawn mower.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHkNvrcFaq0

We live in a sick world today!

Well put toniD.

John McCain is on MTP. He's talking like Sarah Palin now. Nothing but gibberish. Is Palin contagious?

Illinois News

Mark Kirk Denies Report He's Out Of Senate Race, Deciding Over Weekend

U.S. Rep. Mark Kirk is denying a report that he has decided not to run for the Senate in part to avoid a primary with the Illinois Republican Party Chairman.

The Washington Post's Chris Cilliza reported Friday afternoon that Kirk would not make a Senate bid, despite signaling to party leaders just days ago that he was planning to run.

The North Shore Republican appeared set to enter the race after Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan announced she would not run. A potential sticking point for Kirk, Cilliza reported, is his vote for the administration's climate change bill and a potential primary with state GOP chairman Andy McKenna:

[Kirk's decision] followed a meeting of the Illinois Republican congressional delegation on Thursday in which his colleagues refused to back Kirk in a primary against Illinois Republican Party Chairman Andy McKenna due, in large part, to his vote in favor of President Barack Obama's climate change bill.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/10/mark-kirk-wont-run-for-se_n_229...

This is the idiot guy that told the Chinese not to believe the US Budget

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/rep-mark-kirk-r-il-i-told-chi...

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Quinn Shelving Tax Increase Push Until Fall

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. (AP) -- Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn is putting aside his call for an income tax increase until November.

In an interview Friday with The Associated Press, Quinn said he now wants to pass a state budget with significant spending cuts. Then in November, he would ask lawmakers to choose between balancing the budget by cutting even further or by raising taxes.

Quinn said delaying the decision for five months would provide time to study Medicaid spending, pension reforms and other cost-cutting measures.

Then officials would be in a better position to decide the best way to finish erasing a roughly $11.6 billion budget deficit.

The Democratic governor says he'll ask lawmakers to consider the idea when they return to Springfield next week.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/10/quinn-shelving-tax-increa_n_229...

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Giannoulias takes lead in fund-raising for a Senate bid

Illinois Treasurer Alexi Giannoulias has raised $1.8 million for his Senate bid, while his likely Democratic rivals have zero dollars in their war chests.

Giannoulias has been fund-raising since March. Federal fund-raising reports, public next week, will show that Giannoulias raised about $670,000 in the second quarter of 2009.

Giannoulias is also in a position to pour some of his own money into his campaign; his federal financial disclosure statement will show that he is worth between $13 million and $62 million, I'm told.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/1660347,CST-NWS-alexi10.article?FORM=...

Good Morning

Well another week gone by
Another one ahead of us.
What will this week bring us??

Nice day here in Chicago
What will I do today ? I haven't
figured that out yet.
Just drinking my 1st cup of coffee
now -

Endeavour Tonight

Endeavour had been scheduled to take off at 7:39 p.m. Saturday. The next attempt is set for 7:13 p.m. Sunday. - CNN

The mission's primary goal will be to install what amounts to a porch in space. Endeavour is carrying in its cargo bay two platforms of the Japanese Kibo Laboratory, which is already part of the space station. One platform rides up and back on the shuttle, while the other will stay permanently fixed to the Kibo laboratory for scientific experiments that require exposure to space.

Report: Bush admin. skirted probe of mass Afghan slayings

Netanyahu Invites Abbas To

Netanyahu Invites Abbas To Talk Peace

JERUSALEM — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday invited the Palestinians to sit down immediately to talk peace, but the Palestinian leader maintained his demand that first Israel must halt all West Bank settlement construction.

The opposing views have become familiar in recent months. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas's demand has been bolstered by the United States' insistence that Israel promote peacemaking by stopping the settlement construction that had bogged down previous rounds of talks.

"There is no reason Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas and I should not meet, anywhere in this country, to advance the political process," Netanayhu told the weekly meeting of Israel's Cabinet.

Israel agreed under the U.S.-backed "road map" peace plan to freeze all building in the West Bank, territory the Palestinians claim for part of a future state. But it has not honored that 2003 obligation, saying the Palestinians have not fulfilled their commitment to crack down on militant groups.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/12/netanyahu-invites-abbas-t_n_230...

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Solana to UN: Accept Palestinian state even if Israel does not
By Reuters

European Union foreign policy chief Javier Solana on Saturday called for the United Nations Security Council to recognize a Palestinian state by a certain deadline even if an agreement is not reached between Israel and the Palestinians.

Solana made the comments on Saturday at a lecture in London. The Palestinians have said they will not revive peace talks unless there is a halt to Israel's settlement activities in the West Bank.

"After a fixed deadline, a UN Security Council resolution should proclaim the adoption of the two-state solution," Solana said, adding this should include border parameters, refugees, control over the city of Jerusalem and security arrangements.

"It would accept the Palestinian state as a full member of the UN, and set a calendar for implementation. It would mandate the resolution of other remaining territorial disputes and legitimize the end of claims," Solana went on.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1099550.html

morning gang!

yawn!

(more coffee!)

Sunday, July 12, 2009

10 Killed in Bombings, Dozens Wounded;
Al-Maliki Rejects Reconciliation with Baathists;
Sadrists Block British in South

Late reports put the number of Iraqis killed in bombings on Saturday at 10, 4 in a northern village near Mosul and the others in Baghdad. Dozens were wounded. The bombing came in what was described as a largely Shiite village just northeast of Mosul called Gogili [Ar. Kukjili], which I suppose must be Turkmen (about half of the Turkmen are Shiites). Mosul, Iraq's second or third largest city at nearly 2 million (the size of Houston) is majority Sunni Arab and its guerrilla movement deeply resents Shiite dominance over the federal government. Some guerrillas are extremist Salafis, who have a particular hatred for Shiites.

http://www.juancole.com/

Feinstein: CIA concealment may have broken the law

DUH !

Who woke her Dumbass Up ?
**
AP

WASHINGTON – The chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee says the Bush administration may have broken the law if it ordered the CIA to conceal the existence of a counterterrorism program.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein says that CIA Director Leon Panetta told senators last month that Dick Cheney as vice president had ordered the program not be disclosed to Congress.

Feinstein says that Congress was kept in the dark and that, in her words, "that's something that should never, ever happen again."

The New York Times reported that the CIA withheld information for eight years about a secret counter-terrorism program on direct orders from Cheney.

The California Democrat spoke on "Fox News Sunday."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090712/ap_on_go_co/us_feinstein_cia

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

DUH !

Feinstein: CIA concealment may have broken the law
new
Submitted by MMRules on Sun, 07/12/2009 - 12:13pm.

DUH !

U got that right brother! :) DUH

morning

Sunshine Jim - good 2 c u! (well u know what I mean)
good to see ya bloggin'

Nuttier'n A 'Tator

Submitted by MMRules on Sun, 07/12/2009 - 12:13pm.
...The New York Times reported that the CIA withheld information for eight years about a secret counter-terrorism program on direct orders from Cheney...
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You have to be coup-coup to be a Republican patriot these days.

happy sunday - morning

I read his web site, looked at his 'evidence' and what I want to know is was he sworn in to testify?
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How Rove Said He'd Answer Siegelman Prosecution Queries
new
Submitted by edna ellen poe on Sun, 07/12/2009 - 9:11am.

~`ordinary's just not good enough today - olp`~
Jamesbennett

Exempt From the Law

Submitted by toniD on Sun, 07/12/2009 - 9:18am.
The long delay is evidence, some have suggested, that the Vatican still does not take the issue of paedophile priests sufficiently seriously. more...
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The question is why is the Vatican exempt from the law? When Michael Jackson's ranch was raided, 70 police officers searched the property. But here we have an international pedophile network (the Catholic Church), and at no time has the Vatican been raided. The charges of pedophilia go back to Martin Luther. Where is the CIA, MI5? Oh they're busy committing crimes too.

In case you missed it

The #1 story is back on msnbc
Michael Jackson


“'Tain't Nobody's Business If I Do” by Billie Holiday

~`ordinary's just not good enough today - olp`~
Jamesbennett

eya Sandy!

and a ggod day to ya!

beut of a morning so far, i should be outside painting...

alternative vehicles

mishld's Hubby Is Nuts!
new
Submitted by Crank Bait on Sun, 07/12/2009 - 10:02am.

1980 HMV Freeway, three-wheel, enclosed minicar
Submitted by mishld on Sun, 07/12/2009 - 8:45am.
Hubby almost bought one of those long ago. We went to look at a yellow one in one of the Boston suburbs in the early 1980s. ----------------

Hubby has gone on to build - modify - tricyles and recumbent trikes and quaridycles, adding solar panels overhead.
I've learned of the existence of "hub motors."

Engineers have got to engineer, even when he can't find anyone to pay him to design computer chips.

eya eep!

organised religion = organised crime

when i actually researched catholicism while in parochial school i had massive conflicts with the nuns.

i certainly learned the difference between "belief" and knowledge.

i shudder when i think about the wasted time and effort globally of supporting parasitic, hypocritical "devout" people.

belief should be private and personal.

Web site recreates Apollo 11

Web site recreates Apollo 11 mission in real time
By Associated Press
Sunday, July 12, 2009 - Added 3h ago

WeChooseTheMoon.org — goes live at 8:02 a.m. Thursday, 90 minutes before the 40th anniversary of the Apollo 11 launch from Cape Canaveral, Fla. It will track the capsule’s route from the Earth to the Moon, ending with the moon landing and Armstrong’s walk — in real time, but 40 years later.

~`ordinary's just not good enough today - olp`~
Jamesbennett

Will You Give My Feet A Jump?

Submitted by mishld on Sun, 07/12/2009 - 1:26pm.
...I've learned of the existence of "hub motors."
------
Put my order in with hubby for hubby's hub-motor driven rollerblades (orthopedic insurance extra).

I'll carry the car battery in a papoose sling.

Hey Jim!

How you be, Sunshine?

may have broken the law

Shouldn't DiFi know how to use the English language better than this ESL student?

What's this may have business? Lying to Congress is a crime PERIOD!

"tacit approval"

is what it is if this admin doesn't prosecute....um...something...anything...

Alternative vehicles..Taxis...from Gilligan's Island

They are made of bamboo and run on coconut biodiesel..no kidding...

Bamboo Taxis Arrive in Philippines Town
BY Ariel Schwartz Sat Jul 11, 2009 at 1:59 AM


We've written about bamboo bikes before, but the Philippines rice farming town of Tabontabon has taken the bamboo transportation craze to new heights with bamboo taxis. The taxis, commissioned by Tabontabon mayor Rustico Balderian, are made out of 90% bamboo and run on coconut biodiesel.

TOTI Eco

Balderian designed the taxis as a replacement to the dominant--and dangerous--form of transportation in town, the motorcycle. Five or six people sometimes cram onto a single motorcycle, upping the chances for an accident. Balderian's ECO taxis provide a cheap alternative for townspeople.The ECO 1 taxi seats 20 people, runs on one gallon of biodiesel fuel for eight hours, and is covered in a Filipino woven mat. ECO 2 seats eight passengers, runs on a gallon of biofuel for eight hours, and has a stereo with a sound system. Both vehicles are locally made--bamboo is indigenous to the Philippines, and local youth help with car production. Next up: a third ECO taxi to wander the streets. Balderian hasn't revealed if or how he plans to monetize his ECO taxis.

Link

h/t Current

TIM GEITHNER REFUSES TO ANSWER BRAD SHERMAN'S QUESTION

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WccPO-lkK8I

JULY 10, 2009

AUDIT THE FED

Justice Ginsburg: Roe v Wade Decision Predicated On

Population Reduction

In an interview to be published in Sunday’s New York Times Magazine, Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said she thought the landmark Roe v. Wade decision on abortion was predicated on the Supreme Court majority's desire to diminish “populations that we don’t want to have too many of.”

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=50819

Collective Soul December acoustic

I think I saw there was a double rainbow in San Francisco

yesterday...but I can't find a picture online or story...

What is your party affiliation?

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/7/12/752567/-What-is-your-party-a...

Democratic Party and proud! 93 votes - 43 %
Democratic Party but I prefer Green Party 29 votes - 13 %
Democratic Party but I prefer Libertarian Party 3 votes - 1 %
Democratic Party but I prefer Peace & Freedom 4 votes - 1 %
Republican Party but I prefer Libertarian Party 3 votes - 1 %
Republican Party but I prefer Constitution Party 0 votes - 0 %
Independent 34 votes - 15 %
Independent leaning to third parties 12 votes - 5 %
Green Party 7 votes - 3 %
Libertarian Party 2 votes - 0 %
Republican Party 9 votes - 4 %
Peace & Freedom Party 3 votes - 1 %
Constitution Party 0 votes - 0 %
Other 14 votes - 6 %

213 Total Votes

Crank Bait on Sun, 07/12/2009 - 1:39pm.

Will You Give My Feet A Jump?
Submitted by Crank Bait on Sun, 07/12/2009 - 1:39pm.

Submitted by mishld on Sun, 07/12/2009 - 1:26pm.
...I've learned of the existence of "hub motors."
------
Put my order in with hubby for hubby's hub-motor driven rollerblades (orthopedic insurance extra).

I'll carry the car battery in a papoose sling.
=====================

Thanks, Crank. Hubby has been duly notified. ;)

Go ahead and hate your neighbor, go ahead and cheat a friend...

Diverse Coalition Supports American Indian Kindergartner's Right to Freely Exercise His Religion(7/10/2009)

Five Amicus Briefs Filed in Federal Court Support ACLU of Texas Client, Oppose Needville School District's Appeal

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: (212) 549-2666; media@aclu.org

AUSTIN – The ACLU's fight to stop a Texas school district from punishing a five-year old student for wearing his long hair in braids as an expression of his American Indian heritage and beliefs has drawn support from a diverse group of American Indian tribes and scholars, religious freedom organizations and representatives of a variety of faith traditions.

Eleven groups, including the Lipan Apache and Nansemond Indian tribes, the Anti-Defamation League, Americans United for Separation of Church and State, and Interfaith Alliance recently participated in filing "friend of the court" briefs to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, in support of a lower court's ruling that Needville Independent School District (NISD) violated the Constitution and state law when it punished the student for expressing his and his family's religious beliefs.

[...]

ACLU

I thought we resolved this crap in the '70s....

Maybe the tribes should finance a remake of Billy Jack...

Billy Jack!

What a terrible movie. Ever see it on the late night?

Racist Rethug larva....stay true to their values...

Bullying Behind GOP "Racist" Win

by John Avlon

Audra Shay, accused of endorsing racial slurs and hate, was elected to lead the Young Republicans yesterday. More shocking, reveals John Avlon, were the tactics: sexual innuendos, voter intimidation, near-fisticuffs.

The Young Republicans faced a stark choice at their convention in Indianapolis yesterday as they chose their next leader: a center-right twentysomething interested in greater outreach, or a self-described “true conservative” who is almost 40 and spent last week dealing with Daily Beast reports about her beliefs, which are, at best, often hateful, and at worst, downright racist. The delegates, in a vote of 470-415, chose the latter.

Daily Beast

"Don't Ask" Fight Hits

"Don't Ask" Fight Hits Senate

by Jason Bellini
New York Senator Kirsten Gillibrand is considering bringing the battle over "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" to the Senate this week, by introducing an amendment that would put an 18-month moratorium on the discharge of gays serving in the military, The Daily Beast has learned.

It would be the first time since the implementation of the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy in 1993 that senators are forced to declare their position on the gay ban. A Senate staffer familiar with the matter says Gillibrand may introduce her amendment on Tuesday to the Defense reauthorization bill. If the amendment were to pass, gay-rights leaders expect it would stand a strong chance of being approved by the House and could be signed into law by President Obama, who has expressed his desire for the ban to be lifted. Rep. Patrick Murphy is trying to build support for a bill that has already been introduced in the House that would repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell".

But Gillibrand's move would circumvent a long legislative process at a time when an average of two gay soldiers per day are being discharged.

A press representative from Gillibrand's office said the decision to introduce the amendment is not final.

[...]

Daily Beast

This would definitely bode well for her in the upcoming democratic challenge she will be facing from Carolyn Maloney. It might even get Maloney to back off completely....

Stay tuned...

Obama Orders Investigation into CIA-backed Prisoner Massacres

Interesting timing.

"President Barack Obama told CNN’s Anderson Cooper that he has directed his national security team to look into the 2001 deaths of Taliban prisoners who allegedly were massacred by US-backed forces in Afghanistan. The President stated that the government needs to find out whether actions by the US contributed to possible war crimes."

...on the heels of the Newsweek piece on Holder and that he's leaning toward Bush Admin. investigations over use of torture.

...and with Panetta's disclosure...looks like some CIA chickens coming home to roost in Bush/Cheney land

"this machine kills fascists"

What a terrible movie.

haven't seen it in 20 years...

Apart from the screenplay, the casting, the acting, the cinematography, and the soundtrack, what's not to love?

Bad movie, but good message...

Interesting timing.

This would be an excellent opportunity for Obama and Panetta to purge the Cheney operatives out of CIA.

that would be the real coup cent

And putting it juxtaposed next to Cheney's attempted coup of Congress makes it particularly delicious.

Here's something to sink yer teeth into, cent, Fernando, dan:)

anyone!

Intrigue!

Russians spies! Computer codes! Goldman Sachs!!

Oh my!

"this machine kills fascists"

Holy Crap!!

Helluva rec List at Kos today!

BREAKING - Senior DOJ Reporter: Obama NOT To Pursue Indefinite Detentions

coincidences?? I dunno, there are a lot of them! Looks, at least, like the DoJ is getting their ducks in a row.

"this machine kills fascists"

for u techies

Mind at light speed
By D. D. Nolte
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=mind+at+light+speed&aq=f&oq=&aqi=&fp=1&ca...

look for the google books result

==

~`ordinary's just not good enough today - olp`~
Jamesbennett

Marcy Wheeler is all over this torture investigation

She is making a strong argument against the consensus that feel prosecuting CIA while BushCo walks would be unfair...She has an excellent point here too...

"We're not, actually, talking about low level CIA interrogators. We're talking about contractors. James Mitchell, to be exact. And if James Mitchell is not the psychologist/interrogator who acknowledged he had exceeded the limits in John Yoo's Bybee Memo, but justified it by saying he had exceeded those limits (by using way more water, for longer time, and pressing on the detainee's gut) because those things make the simulated drowning technique "for real--and ... more poignant and convincing," then it's almost certainly someone who works for James Mitchell and probably used to work for the DOD entity that administers SERE.

I, frankly, have no problem with prosecuting Mr. Poignant the sadist torturer and, given his acknowledgment that he exceeded Yoo's guidelines, that's probably where an investigation would start.

Now, as I said, Mr. Poignant is either James Mitchell or someone associated with him--the "psychologist/interrogator" strongly suggests this person is a contractor, not a CIA employee.

That means that going after Mr. Poignant gets you, in either one step or two, to the contractors who worked from the start to profit off torture.

And that gets you, almost immediately to the process that the torture architects used to authorize their torture. That's because there is a paper trail showing that the torture architects knew and intended the torture to exceed even Yoo's memo. This is a document that both Jim Haynes and John Rizzo had and--between the two of them--gave to John Yoo during the drafting process for the Bybee Memo as the basis for his own description of waterboarding. "

Emptywheel

Personally, I am a strong believer in individual responsibility for behavior, and anyone who willingly participated in torture needs to fry, so I am behind her argument all the way here....

Malkin goes full wingnut on Obama's "Science Czar"

As predictable as the rising sun.

Why not go the FULL full wingnut and throw in global ACORN run abortion/sterilization clinics?

I would have if I was a liquid-brained banshee.

(slacker)

"this machine kills fascists"

slacker

Those book passages are still sticking in my craw 60th...

but I have done a little digging into the co-authors and many of the "solutions" proposed in the book seem to be more along the lines of their philosophy than John Holdren's...

It still doesn't excuse him for putting his name on it, but he was "young and dumb" at the time, so I will settle for a full PUBLIC retraction from him when the time comes... ;)

60th Street on Sun, 07/12/2009 - 4:34pm.

The article you are referring to speaks of Guantanamo Bay detainee's and makes no mention about Bagram detainee's.

I don't believe indefinite detention of a POW is unreasonable when the host country will not allow their citizen to return and no one else will take them. This is a particularly problematic issue for me because I know the left will balk to the point of hysteria but what is a more humane answer in that situation? There are humane methods to detain a prisoner of war. But it's not a perfect solution.

I draw a blank at that point. I'm glad I'm not the one that has to figure that out.

I draw a blank at that point.

UN inspectors Fern....

At least "guarantee" the treatment while in detention is human....

Annie Archer was Hot back then..

Come on and save your neighbor.... ;)

Or,However that goofy Billy Jack song went..

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

clearly cent

In fact a case could be made that they should be detained in a nicer style than John Dean was after his involvement with Watergate. But you still have to call it indefinite detention.

On the plus side, Texas just tied the game in Seattle on a HR in the 6th. We always lose to Seattle so I'm having a bit o celebration right now.

One tin soldier...

One Tin Soldier (The Legend of Billy Jack)
by Lambert-Potter, sung by Coven

Listen, children, to a story
That was written long ago,
'Bout a kingdom on a mountain
And the valley-folk below.

On the mountain was a treasure
Buried deep beneath the stone,
And the valley-people swore
They'd have it for their very own.

Go ahead and hate your neighbor,
Go ahead and cheat a friend.
Do it in the name of Heaven,
You can justify it in the end.
There won't be any trumpets blowing
Come the judgement day,
On the bloody morning after....
One tin soldier rides away.

So the people of the valley
Sent a message up the hill,
Asking for the buried treasure,
Tons of gold for which they'd kill.

Came an answer from the kingdom,
"With our brothers we will share
All the secrets of our mountain,
All the riches buried there."

[chorus]

Now the valley cried with anger,
"Mount your horses! Draw your sword!"
And they killed the mountain-people,
So they won their just reward.

Now they stood beside the treasure,
On the mountain, dark and red.
Turned the stone and looked beneath it...
"Peace on Earth" was all it said.

[chorus] x2

---

Anne Archer was in Billy Jack?...

still have to call it indefinite detention.

Absolutely Fern...and for me that is a serious problem...

The international community also needs to be involved in the legal aspect of keeping prisoners, if only to keep us honest.

My take is; hold them for as long as is legally possible under international law, then either charge them or cut them loose. But either way, the World Court and UN should be deferred to in such matters. If international law does not sufficiently stipulate on these matters then they need to get their asses in gear and git'r done pronto....JMHO.

Didn't bush use to own the Rangers....?

GO Mariners!!! ;)

(sorry dude)

cut them loose where cent?

that's the question.

send them home...

Let their countries deal with them...

If citizenship can not be established....uhhhh....splunge....

Shit! We are looking square into the face of a "Devils Island" or Botany Bay type of solution here, aren't we.....

Well, I guess if they are in US custody, and they have no other citizenship, technically they are US citizens, no?

Where the hell is Solomon when you need him......

Sounds like a problem for the World Court Fern.....

It's a tough question cent

I'm glad I won't have to answer it. There are cases in Bagram where the country of origin will reject them. George Bush gave America Herpes with their irresponsible invasions of foreign territories.

I like your Botany Bay analogy but even that would be a questionable solution.

some context

Based on this assessment of this exchange (drag progress bar to 116:05) , between Diaper Dave Vitter and Holdren, cent, it looks to me that Holdren is probably just guilty of describing possible extreme scenarios on various eco-disasters during his lifetime. It seems a good thing to have someone like that considering policy in Obama's administration.

Even in the passages from the zombie report Holdren and the other two Ecoscience authors don't detail much with respect to those extreme scenarios. For example, noting a "Planetary Regime" is about as general as it gets when discussing who would be carrying out these extreme acts. It's not like they're detailing the architecture for the Final Solution to the Polulation Question, or anything like that.

Scientific alarmism is certainly nothing new; current climate change science and hard science fiction is rife with it. Considering how much the U.S. has contributed to CC and that Holdren was saying these things 30 years ago (at the height of the Cold War), I don't think scientists are wrong in sounding the alarm about anything. Vitter's questioning is clearly aimed at making Holdren out to be a global warming or doomsday kook and to downplay the urgency of addressing climate change. Ditto on the zombie report and pop. control. For Republicans this strategy justifies their need to put a hold on all of Obama's appointees. These holds buy them time allowing them to dig into the arcana of their past to find something they can distort in order to furthering GOP propaganda and impede progress for Obama.

Population control scenarios play on wingnut fears of giant government and hatred of legal abortion and threats to "opposite marriage" and procreation. Scoffing about extreme climate change predictions that did not or probably will not come to pass, draws attention away from the fact that deregulation and a wilfil neglect of the planet necessitated the alrmism in the first place.

"this machine kills fascists"

Deep Thought

Funny how this sudden barrage of talk investigations, Harry Reid's newfound spine, fracturing of Blue Dogs and congresspeople strengthening behind public option is coming not one week after the swearing in of Al Franken.

Funny that.

"this machine kills fascists"

Ariel Square 4 Powered Custom Wooden Car

Endeaver

Scrubbed again do to weather. Thunderstorms moving across florida toward Kennedy Space Cntr.

It's just a game 60th

Nothing will really happen until we get close to the 2010 elections. Some "success" chartsmanship will be used to show why Dem's should stay in power and vice versa. But I don't expect any serious results of any investigations until after that. I'll be happily surprised if I'm wrong.

Anne Archer was in Billy Jack?...

I'm wrong there..

It must have been the movie The Honkers with James Coburn,I was thinking of..

It was in the early 70's..

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Billy Jack

Wasn't he the precursor to guys like Chuck Norris?

"this machine kills fascists"

Beans in the Pressure Cooker

as close to magic as it gets!

"this machine kills fascists"

How 60th?

Was bacon and Jalapeno involved?

Did you have to sacrifice a beer?

wing nut fears....

I would think some of the statements in those passages would be objectionable to most people concerned with civil liberty.....

The wing nuts don't give a damn about civil liberty and are only objecting to those statements because it serves a political agenda...If that book was written by some right wing friut loop they would be defending against valid Liberal humanitarian and Civil Libertarian attacks on it as hyperbole.

The wing nut mentality is notorious for hypocrisy when it comes to defending one of the herd...

Thank goodness the Progressive mentality lends itself to independent thought and, for the most part, they will call something as they see it regardless of whether the person it is coming from is "on their side" or not.....

I know you know, but i'm sayin it again.

For the past three weeks, Le Show or the Harry Shearer Show has been broadcasting from London, England. Today Harry was speaking about the British perplexity regarding our declining newspapers. Frankly, they don’t understand it. After all, their newspapers are booming. Apparently, those running the newspapers in America don’t get it either. Well, I’m going to answer the British question.

The editors of the failing newspapers were duped by the greatest hoax ever perpetuated on the American People. I’ speaking of course about the Stuffed Butts, the Devil’s Douche Bags, the Klan Crackers, you know, Conservatives. Whomever or whatever believed in these tricksters is paying for it now. That would include those of us who didn’t subscribe to it. No pun intended. Perhaps, the newspapers believed that millions, not a few conservative think tanks- were actually buying those books (which can be found at thrift store for a 1.00) by Coulter, O’Reilly, and Hannity. How long did they think that people would pay for newspapers that defy any resemblance of common sense? So to the newspapers and the conservatives, I would like to dedicate a poem. It’s from Kenneth Anger’s, “Hollywood Babylon”. It’s called “An Ode to Hollywood”. However, on this lovely evening, it will be:

AN ODE TO THE CONSERVATIVE

City of stertile striving
Where brains have not begun
I sing thy Idiot Faces,
Thy leagued Commonplaces,
Bright in thy silly sun

Thy ballocks have no semen
Thine Udders have no Milk;
Ever thou seekest Bliss
With Hard-ons swoln with Piss;
Thy Gods are Bunk and Bilk.

Fertile in naught but faking,
Futile each season passes;
And scrutiny discloses
The most prodigious Roses
Are really Horses’Asses.

Strange Cults are thine, strange Cunts
Dry Nymph and arid Venus;
Or should a cundum bust
Tis but a puff of dust
Powders the satyr’s penis.

Diffuse, wide desert reaches
Where no Mind ever wrought
Peer from thy cloudless skies
Demons with lidless eyes,
Scorching the buds of Thought!

Thy passions all pretended,
Thy pulses beat for pelf-
But should more Irrigation
Bring dustless fornication,
Go fuck thy Suffering Self!

-Don Marquis

Holder v. Rahm: The Torture

Holder v. Rahm: The Torture Fight
By: emptywheel Saturday July 11, 2009 3:55 pm

The headline news in Dennis Klaidman's long piece on Eric Holder is that Holder may appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate torture.

Four knowledgeable sources tell NEWSWEEK that he is now leaning toward appointing a prosecutor to investigate the Bush administration's brutal interrogation practices, something the president has been reluctant to do. While no final decision has been made, an announcement could come in a matter of weeks, say these sources, who decline to be identified discussing a sensitive law-enforcement matter.

But the whole piece is worth reading for two other reasons: the drama it paints between Holder and Rahm (and the White House political agenda more generally), and the details it gives about the torture policy thus far.

Rahm v. Holder

First, Rahm. Even to the extent to which the profile of Holder here reads like a puff piece, the entire piece is driven with two, related, narrative conflicts: Holder's regret over the Marc Rich pardon.

And though Holder has bluntly acknowledged that he "blew it," the Rich decision haunts him. Given his professional roots, he says, "the notion that you would take actions based on political considerations runs counter to everything in my DNA."

And the tension of working for a Rahm-driven White House.

Any White House tests an attorney general's strength. But one run by Rahm Emanuel requires a particular brand of fortitude. A legendary enforcer of presidential will, Emanuel relentlessly tries to anticipate political threats that could harm his boss. He hates surprises. That makes the Justice Department, with its independent mandate, an inherently nervous-making place for Emanuel. During the first Clinton administration, he was famous for blitzing Justice officials with phone calls, obsessively trying to gather intelligence, plant policy ideas, and generally keep tabs on the department.

One of his main interlocutors back then was Holder.

[snip]

"Rahm's style is often misunderstood," says Holder. "He brings a rigor and a discipline that is a net plus to this administration." For his part, Emanuel calls Holder a "strong, independent attorney general." But Emanuel's agitated presence hangs over the building—"the wrath of Rahm," one Justice lawyer calls it—and he is clearly on the minds of Holder and his aides as they weigh whether to launch a probe into the Bush administration's interrogation policies.

In spite of the reported warmth between the two, Rahm is depicted as opposing a torture investigation. And there's a remarkable anonymous quote in the article that contextually appears to be Rahm, showing Rahm's characteristically greater concern about Republicans' perspectives than about the left flank of the Democratic party.

Emanuel and other administration officials could see that the politics of national security was turning against them. When I interviewed a senior White House official in early April, he remarked that Republicans had figured out that they could attack Obama on these issues essentially free of cost. "The genius of the Obama presidency so far has been an ability to keep social issues off the docket," he said. "But now the Republicans have found their dream…issue and they have nothing to lose."

And the article goes on to repeat this theme--accusing DOJ of being insufficiently attentive to the White House's political needs which (the same Rahm-like anonymous sources suggest) may be because Holder is overcompensating for the Rich pardon.

White House officials have complained that Holder and his staff are not sufficiently attuned to their political needs. Holder is well liked inside the department.

[snip]

Among some White House officials there is a not-too-subtle undertone suggesting that Holder has "overlearned the lessons of Marc Rich," as one administration official said to me. more..

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/11/holder-v-rahm-the-torture-f...

Rember

No beer

It's actually really easy and probably would have never explored it had my crock pot not broken a couple of months ago and I decided to look it up. I had heard of it but never known anyone who did it.

The magic is that it is approx. 45 minutes from bag to plate. AND, that you can pressure soak as well as pressure cook the beans. They are soft and yummy just like regular slow cooked beans.

PRESSURE SOAK:
After picking through and rinsing about two cups of dry beans, I put them in the pressure cooker immersed in cold water about 2.5 inches above the beans. (The water should not fill up much more than 1/2 the volume of the pressure cooker).

Put cooker on stove @ medium high (with the regulator "rocker" weight on the vent pipe) until the pressure valve pops up. Cook for 5 min and turn burner off. Let it sit and the pressure will release on its own from the pot(vs taking rocker off and forcing pressure out under a running faucet). This takes about 15 mins for me

Once pressure is out and valve is down, open cooker, drain water, re-rinse beans.

PRESSURE COOK:

Before putting beans back in the pot, I drop in three slices of bacon snipped into 2" pieces, let the fat render a little and saute onions and whatever peppers I am putting in (today I put in a few tiny red jalapenos and a poblano) and whatever spices (today ground cumin seed, and some Tony Chachere's Creole). Then add the beans stir all ingredients to mix and add water to the same level as before (should only be about an inch or so above beans at this point, again, don't go too far above halfway mark with water). Cook on med high 'til valve pops up. This time cook for 15 min. Turn heat off and let pressure vent on its own again.

Done. Magic beans! :)

"this machine kills fascists"

one more time

Ring Of Fire with SAM & MARC
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yep 60th

That's a great way to make that. Try opening the pot when it's done, throw in more than a half a beer at room temp and close. Wait for 15 min. Valve open. Garnish with cilantro.

The words I'd like to see in coverage of Bush war crimes...

Why can't the press just say: '...the Bush Administration's use of torture, which they euphemisticly called mere "enhanced interrogation",....'

Yum!

I'll try that next time, F.

Cilantro, a cubed avocado tortillas & and cheeeeese!

nom nom nom

"this machine kills fascists"

Billy Jack 2012!!!

Wasn't he the precursor to guys like Chuck Norris?

No. Look at the pop culture change between the time of the Billy Jack films and the let's finally win the Vietnam war films of the eighties that Norris was in. Coming out of the sixties, both Shaft and the first Billy Jack film were released in '71.
Butch Cassidy and Sundance Kid came out in '69. In Cassidy and Sundance- a classic Robin Hood story- you have strong, fighting proletarians figures who literally fight the corrupt bankers by robbing from them.

Reagen was the precursor to Norris. Red Dawn (greatest film ever made,viewed 17 times and counting) came out in '84. Fascism had progressed so far by the eighties, and the humanism of the sixties had been so thoroughly rejected in pop culture, that tough guys could only be right wing action figures.

We need Billy Jacks now. Thousands of them.

Medical Liability - The

Medical Liability - The Debate
Medical Liability is constantly pushed by the GOP as a reason medical costs have skyrocketed. The cost of liability insurance is very expensive for Doctors and Hospitals. But if you are permanently disfigured or die because of a mistake a doctor or hospital made, what other alternative does the patient have or the patient's family?

I have long thought that doctors don't police themselves enough and hospitals, like the Catholic Church covered for their wayward priests, cover for their doctors.

The New York Times has an OP-ED today written by Tom Baker that delves into medical liability:

Liability = Responsibility

OUR medical liability system needs reform. But anyone who thinks that limiting liability would reduce health care costs is fooling himself. Preventable medical injuries, not patient compensation, are what ring up extra costs for additional treatment. This means taxpayers, employers and everyone else who buys health insurance — all of us — have a big stake in patient safety. More...

http://tonidsyathink.blogspot.com/2009/07/medical-liability-debate.html

Gross

Leave it to Marc to give America Mad Cow Phobias where man and fish can't coexist.

In the mean time, get ready for more Norris'...

or Fernando's, to be called up--

McChrystal says he won't pull punches on Afghan proposals

The top U.S. commander in Afghanistan said Sunday that when he gives his assessment to the Obama administration next month of what is needed to defeat the Taliban, he won't be deterred by administration statements that he cannot have more U.S. troops.

In an interview with McClatchy, Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal also said he won't be guided by concerns in Washington over deficits and the cost of the current campaign in Afghanistan.

McChrystal indicated Sunday that Jones' comments, which Jones repeated to McClatchy in an interview after returning to Washington, would not color his recommendation.

Gates, McChrystal said, "directed me to do an assessment that said 'Tell me what you think of the situation. Assess the situation. And tell me what you think you need to be effective in the missions that he has given me.' "

That includes the cost of supporting an expansion of the Afghan Army. The U.S. military has said it wants to expand the Afghan Army to roughly 134,000 from its current 85,000 at an estimated cost of $4 billion.

But some McChrystal advisers think the army should really be 270,000. Such an expansion would cost $8 billion — far more than Afghanistan, which generates only about $800 million in revenue annually, could afford. The additional cost would almost certainly be borne in part by U.S. taxpayers.

McChrystal also acknowledged that eight years into the war in Afghanistan, U.S. officials here still don't how many Taliban fighters coalition forces face in Helmand province, scene of the Marines offensive.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/world/story/71698.html

Look ghettodefender

you can disagree with my position but you are offensive when you compare me to Norris. So FUCK YOU ass wipe!

13 Doctors Demand Inquest

13 Doctors Demand Inquest Into Dr. David Kelly's Death ("I think highly likely he was assassinated")

The death of Government scientist David Kelly returned to haunt Labour today as a group of doctors announced that they were mounting a legal challenge to overturn the finding of suicide. Dr Kelly's body was found six years ago this week in woods close to his Oxfordshire home, shortly after he was exposed as the source of a BBC news report questioning the grounds for war in Iraq. Unusually, no coroner's inquest was held into his death.

- snip -

Critics regarded the report as a 'whitewash', and Mr Blair remains acutely sensitive to the accusation that he has 'blood on his hands' over the scientist's death. But now a team of 13 specialist doctors has compiled a detailed medical dossier that rejects the Hutton conclusion on the grounds that a cut to the ulnar artery, which is small and difficult to access, could not have caused death.

It will be used by their lawyers to demand a formal inquest and the release of Dr Kelly's autopsy report, which has never been published. It will also be sent to Sir John Chilcot's forthcoming inquiry into the Iraq War. The 12-page opinion, a copy of which has been seen by The Mail on Sunday, concludes: 'The bleeding from Dr Kelly's ulnar artery is highly unlikely to have been so voluminous and rapid that it was the cause of death.

'We advise the instructing solicitors to obtain the autopsy reports so that the concerns of a group of properly interested medical specialists can be answered.'

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-1199109/13-doctors-demand-inq...

Palin is Absurd

It's fun to consider the absurdity of Palin bringing up her wanting to avoid being a lame duck as part of the reason she was quitting.

Aside from the obvious fact that she was only halfway through her term, Palin wouldn't have had to endure very much of a lame duck period without having decided to announce prematurely that she was not running again. So, how can it be one of the the reasons? It was utterly self-fulfilling.

Now she's throws out an empty threat to shake up the parties by announcing she would stump for Democrats and Independents who share her views??!?

Absurd.

"this machine kills fascists"

Goldman Sachs Likely to Post

Goldman Sachs Likely to Post Huge Profits, Analysts Say

Most of Wall Street, and America, is still waiting for an economic recovery. Then there is Goldman Sachs.

Up and down Wall Street, analysts and traders are buzzing that Goldman, which only recently paid back its government bailout money, will report blowout profits from trading on Tuesday.

Analysts predict the bank earned more than $2 billion in the March-June period, thanks to its trading prowess across world markets. If they are right, the bank’s rivals will once again be left to wonder exactly how Goldman, long the envy of Wall Street, could have rebounded so dramatically only months after the nation’s financial industry was shaken to its foundations.

The obsessive speculation has already begun, along with banter about how Goldman’s rapid return to minting money will be perceived by lawmakers and taxpayers who aided Goldman with a multibillion-dollar cushion last fall. . .

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/13/business/13goldman.html?_r=1&hp

If you can't beat 'em join 'em.

Hey, Norris is rich. In good shape. And when Palin wins, he'll probably be in the Cabinet.
Go with a winner.

btw you got an inside track:
On March 9, 2009, Norris wrote a column for the WorldNetDaily expressing the possibility of Texas seceding from the United States of America, and running for its president.

Grand Ayatollah Montazeri’s Fatwa (IRAN)

n a very important development, Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri, the most senior cleric living in Iran, and one of the top two* marja’ taghlid (source of emulation) in Shiite Islam, issued a series of Fatwas, calling the Supreme Leader illegitimate and saying that he was working with the government against religion. Montazeri has called on people to take action against this injustice, even if they have to pay a heavy price for it.

Ayatollah Motazeri, who has long been one of the most outspoken critics of Iran’s hard-liners, issued the Fatwas in response to a letter that Dr. Mohsen Kadivar, a progressive cleric and a former student of his, wrote asking for answers to several pointed questions. (Dr. Kadivar was jailed a few years ago for his outspoken criticism of the hard-liners and now lives in the United States.)

The letter congratulates the Grand Ayatollah on the occasion of last week’s anniversary of the birth of Imam Ali, the Shiites’ first Imam, and a cousin and a son-in-law of the Prophet Mohammad. The letter says that the anniversary has fallen at a time when peaceful protests against rigged elections have been met by injustice by the government, which has resulted in tens of deaths, hundreds of injured, and thousands of arrests — all carried out in the name of Islam and Shiism by those who use Imam Ali’s name but take the path of his enemies instead.

http://tehranbureau.com/grand-ayatollah-montazeris-fatwa

Internal strife. The revolution has begun!

Lolz....Speaking of Science

Republicans Reject Science; Scientists Reject Republicans

"Once, there were sizable portions of the scientific community in basically all portions of the American political scene. No longer..."Partisan and Ideological Differences", of 2500 polled scientists, just 6 percent of the polled identify themselves as Republicans (as opposed to 23 percent of the overall population)."

"this machine kills fascists"

Geithner --- looks like he's covering for his scamming pals

TIM GEITHNER REFUSES TO ANSWER BRAD SHERMAN'S QUESTION
Submitted by Alice on Sun, 07/12/2009 - 2:16pm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WccPO-lkK8I

JULY 10, 2009

AUDIT THE FED

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Amazing!

Yes --- AUDIT THE FED!

AND kill the derivative scamming device!

Sessions ‘flabbergasted’ by Sotomayor

Link

Good for you ghettodefender. You've just proved the value of your commenting. I'm sure you're impressed with yourself.

Smart Or Lucky?

Obama Orders Investigation into CIA-backed Prisoner Massacres
Submitted by 60th Street on Sun, 07/12/2009 - 4:10pm.
---------
Obama (in Prissy costume and speaking in a falsetto): "Ah don' know NUTHIN 'bout 'vestigatin' no Bushies."

Nearly everyone else as Scarlett: "Well, you're gonna learn...and we'll help ya."
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Another metaphor is Obama as Pontius Pilot who washes his hands of the fate of Cheney and Bush, leaving it to the gathered masses to decide.

If any of this applies, Obama is slicker'n a credit card company: The gears of justice will turn as freely as they possibly can and Obama won't have a spec of grease on his hands.

Swine flu vaccine to be given to entire population

The NHS is preparing to vaccinate the entire population against swine flu.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/5806751/Swine-flu-vaccine-t...

A 2003 article about the Family by Jeffrey Sharlet

Jesus plus nothing:
Undercover among America's secret theocrats

By Jeffrey Sharlet

And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

—Matthew 10:36

This is how they pray: a dozen clear-eyed, smooth-skinned “brothers” gathered together in a huddle, arms crossing arms over shoulders like the weave of a cable, leaning in on one another and swaying like the long grass up the hill from the house they share. The house is a handsome, gray, two-story colonial that smells of new carpet and Pine-Sol and aftershave; the men who live there call it Ivanwald. At the end of a tree-lined cul-de-sac, quiet but for the buzz of lawn mowers and kids playing foxes-and-hounds in the park across the road, Ivanwald sits as one house among many, clustered together like mushrooms, all devoted, like these men, to the service of Jesus Christ. The men tend every tulip in the cul-de-sac, trim every magnolia, seal every driveway smooth and black as boot leather. And they pray, assembled at the dining table or on their lawn or in the hallway or in the bunk room or on the basketball court, each man's head bowed in humility and swollen with pride (secretly, he thinks) at being counted among such a fine corps for Christ, among men to whom he will open his heart and whom he will remember when he returns to the world not born-again but remade, no longer an individual but part of the Lord's revolution, his will transformed into a weapon for what the young men call “spiritual war.”

“Jeff, will you lead us in prayer?”

Surely, brother. It is April 2002, and I have lived with these men for weeks now, not as a Christian—a term they deride as too narrow for the world they are building in Christ's honor—but as a “believer.” I have shared the brothers' meals and their work and their games. I have been numbered among them and have been given a part in their ministry. I have wrestled with them and showered with them and listened to their stories: I know which man resents his father's fortune and which man succumbed to the flesh of a woman not once but twice and which man dances so well he is afraid of being taken for a fag. I know what it means to be a “brother,” which is to say that I know what it means to be a soldier in the army of God.

“Heavenly Father,” I begin. Then, “O Lord,” but I worry that this doesn't sound intimate enough. I settle on, “Dear Jesus.” “Dear Jesus, just, please, Jesus, let us fight for Your name.” More...

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2003/03/0079525

nora, I think Brad Sherman is the congressman who

was saying that prior to the inauguration, Obama pressured him and other congress people to pass the bailouts with the threat of the market dropping 1,00 points a day or something..Naomi Wolf was speaking about it just before the inauguration....

Justice Ginsberg -- seeing clearly

Justice Ginsburg: Roe v Wade Decision Predicated On
Submitted by Alice on Sun, 07/12/2009 - 2:19pm.
Population Reduction

In an interview to be published in Sunday’s New York Times Magazine, Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said she thought the landmark Roe v. Wade decision on abortion was predicated on the Supreme Court majority's desire to diminish “populations that we don’t want to have too many of.”

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=50819

» ==========================

Wow, spending that much time with the Patriarchal Justices must help one to catch on to the subtextual import of stuff, huh?

In the last thread, I think, Cent, I think, posted the following link, and it, too, helps one to see 'patterns'.

This quote from that piece by Science CZAR Dr. John Holdren indicates how containing/controlling/subjecting women and children is a major part of the EUGENICS movement. And I observe that EUGENICS dovetails perfectly with the aims of the Dominionists in their views that women and children are chattel/property to be used as needed.

And getting people used to the idea of abortion, the role of the State in human reproduction decision-making (whether pro or con, it hardly matters), I find very interesting.

The kicker is the one fact Thom Hartmann, 'bless' his 'soul', is willing to bring up repeatedly: When women are allowed to hold equal power with men, the reproductive rate drops and population stabilizes!

But until then, the crazies are wielding the power to guide society's choices....

Source of quote:

http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/

Quote:

One way to carry out this disapproval might be to insist that all illegitimate babies be put up for adoption—especially those born to minors, who generally are not capable of caring properly for a child alone. If a single mother really wished to keep her baby, she might be obliged to go through adoption proceedings and demonstrate her ability to support and care for it. Adoption proceedings probably should remain more difficult for single people than for married couples, in recognition of the relative difficulty of raising children alone. It would even be possible to require pregnant single women to marry or have abortions, perhaps as an alternative to placement for adoption, depending on the society.

Crank

Here's what I posted earlier....

Posted a Raw Story about this on last thread
Submitted by toniD on Sun, 07/12/2009 - 8:24am.

Attorney General may launch torture
probe against Bush administration

Contrary to White House wishes, Attorney General Eric Holder may push forward with a criminal investigation into the Bush administration's harsh interrogation practices used on suspected terrorists.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090712/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_holder_interrog...

But is it really contrary to White House wishes? Or is it an under the table encouragement? We will see if Holder starts an investigation and how strongly the WH fights him on it.

Report: CIA plan to seize,

Report: CIA plan to seize, kill Al Qaeda chiefs at heart of Congress controversy

The controversy over claims the CIA lied to Congress by withholding information about a counter-terrorism program centers around an "attempt" by the agency to seize and kill Al Qaeda leaders in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, the Wall Street Journal reported Sunday.

According to the story, the CIA program that agency director Leon Panetta learned of last month, and then disclosed to the House Intelligence Committee, was "an attempt to carry out a 2001 presidential authorization to capture or kill al Qaeda operatives."

The Journal cites unnamed "current and former government officials" who reportedly said the program had never become fully operational before Panetta ordered it shut down last month.

Cryptically, the paper states: "Republicans on the panel say that the CIA effort didn't advance to a point where Congress clearly should have been notified." No explanation is given as to why only Republicans on the committee would have been privy to this information.

The paper also states:

In 2001, the CIA also examined the subject of targeted assassinations of al Qaeda leaders, according to three former intelligence officials. It appears that those discussions tapered off within six months. It isn't clear whether they were an early part of the CIA initiative that Mr. Panetta stopped.

Last week, Democrat members of the House Intelligence Committee released a letter stating that Panetta informed them the CIA had kept a program concealed from Congress for some six or seven years. That spawned a flurry of speculation as to what the program may have been, including questions about whether it was, in effect, a "secret CIA army" that assassinated individuals abroad and was run directly by then-Vice President Dick Cheney.

The controversy grew this past Saturday when the New York Times reported that Cheney may have directly given the order to keep the program concealed from Congress -- a violation of the National Security Act, if proven true.

The Journal's report implies the program may have never become fully functional, but questions still remain about the specific details of the program, whether Cheney ran it directly, and whether he ordered the CIA to keep it from Congress.

The Journal writes:

Republicans on the [House Intelligence] panel say that the CIA effort didn't advance to a point where Congress clearly should have been notified.

CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano said the agency "has not commented on the substance of the effort." He added that "a candid dialogue with Congress is very important to this director and this agency."

The official noted that Congress had long been briefed on the [presidential finding ordering the CIA to hunt and kill Al Qaeda agents], and that the CIA effort wasn't so much a program as "many ideas suggested over the course of years." It hadn't come close to fruition, he added.

http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/07/report-cia-plan-to-seize-kill-al-qaeda-...

Larisa's blog

Just who were Bush/Cheney/Rove spying on, really?

From WaPo:

"Extraordinary and inappropriate" secrecy about a warrantless eavesdropping program undermined its effectiveness as a terrorism-fighting tool, government watchdogs have concluded in the first examination of one of the most contentious episodes of the Bush administration.

A report by inspectors general from five intelligence agencies said the administration's tight control over who learned of the program also contributed to flawed legal arguments that nearly prompted mass resignations in the Justice Department five years ago.

The program "may have" contributed to successful counterterrorism efforts, some intelligence officials told the investigators. But too few CIA personnel knew of the highly classified program to use it for intelligence work, the report stated, while at the FBI, the program "played a limited role," with "most . . . leads . . . determined not to have any connection to terrorism."

So much for the war on terror meme. Now let's ask some serious questions:
1. Why create a massive domestic spying program if not to use it for fighting terrorism? What is its real purpose?
2. What did the "leads" have a connection to?
3. Given what they have already done, what would officials of the Bush admin do with such a powerful tool?

Now some other things to consider:
1. Karl Rove had the highest security clearances. Was he aware of this program? If so, why? His role was political after all.
2. During the Nixon Watergate crimes (of which Rove was a part), massive political spying and blackmail took place.
3. Why has Congress been so compliant, with members going as far as as to ruin their own careers in order to assist the Bush White House?
4. Did Dick Cheney pull a Hoover and keep a stash of "control files" in that man-sized safe of his?
5. Did Bush so fear political dissent that he initiated a COINTELPRO operation using this system of domestic spying?

There are only three reasons why a system of domestic spying - having nothing to do with counterterrorism - would be created and used on this level.

* To cover up something already done for fear of the public finding out (who is talking about something, who is writing about something, who is investigating something? etc.). Conversely, to cover up something after the fact.
* To control individuals through blackmail (need an investigation killed, need a vote from Congress, need a judge to play ball? etc.)
* To profit from information known to only a handful of people (corporate deals, etc.). Also to sell information on the intel black-market.

I have long suspected that members of Congress were blackmailed by the Bush cabal. I would also wager that foreign leaders were likely also blackmailed, some into joining the war on terror game.

I have one other question of importance that should be considered. Was the spying system a strictly one way mechanism? In other words, was this a collection tool or did the system actually interact in some way? Let me give you an example of what I mean. Was part of this operation used to simply monitor and collect cell phone data, usage and such? Or were some phones at some particular time actually jammed? Was email simply collected or were servers actually flooded in order to crash them? Is this a one way system or a two way system?

Thoughts?

http://www.atlargely.com/atlargely/2009/07/just-who-were-bushcheneyrove-...

The issue is RENEGADE POLICY of traitorous, criminal behavior!

Marcy Wheeler is all over this torture investigation
Submitted by cent on Sun, 07/12/2009 - 4:52pm.
She is making a strong argument against the consensus that feel prosecuting CIA while BushCo walks would be unfair...She has an excellent point here too...

"We're not, actually, talking about low level CIA interrogators. We're talking about contractors. James Mitchell, to be exact. And if James Mitchell is not the psychologist/interrogator who acknowledged he had exceeded the limits in John Yoo's Bybee Memo, but justified it by saying he had exceeded those limits (by using way more water, for longer time, and pressing on the detainee's gut) because those things make the simulated drowning technique "for real--and ... more poignant and convincing," then it's almost certainly someone who works for James Mitchell and probably used to work for the DOD entity that administers SERE.

I, frankly, have no problem with prosecuting Mr. Poignant the sadist torturer and, given his acknowledgment that he exceeded Yoo's guidelines, that's probably where an investigation would start.

Now, as I said, Mr. Poignant is either James Mitchell or someone associated with him--the "psychologist/interrogator" strongly suggests this person is a contractor, not a CIA employee.

That means that going after Mr. Poignant gets you, in either one step or two, to the contractors who worked from the start to profit off torture.

And that gets you, almost immediately to the process that the torture architects used to authorize their torture. That's because there is a paper trail showing that the torture architects knew and intended the torture to exceed even Yoo's memo. This is a document that both Jim Haynes and John Rizzo had and--between the two of them--gave to John Yoo during the drafting process for the Bybee Memo as the basis for his own description of waterboarding. "

Emptywheel

Personally, I am a strong believer in individual responsibility for behavior, and anyone who willingly participated in torture needs to fry, so I am behind her argument all the way here....

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I think there's a big possibility that this crazy debate is fueled by Bush insiders or maybe even bloggers paid by them in some way, because this position completely skirts the responsibility for the ONLY REASON these traitorous, sadistic torturers got away with torture AND murder is that it was USURPER BUSH CABAL/ADMINISTRATION POLICY. (I don't wish to impugn this blogger or everyone who jumps in once the debate is FRAMED, but it really is not good to buy into the debate of the FRAMERS and fall into their trap. (It is the way I see the healthcare reform 'public option' position too -- just something used to get away from doing the healthcare reform job correctly with Comprehensive Single Payer. In this case at hand, we can debate this forever about who should be prosecuted or not since Bushetal are free, when in reality ALL should be prosecuted!))

Only when the POLICY is addressed can the net be cast to round up every disgusting torturer and torture facilitator and TRULY clean-up this mess. Anything else is a FARCE!

What part did Rove play in Watergate?

2. During the Nixon Watergate crimes (of which Rove was a part),

He was a protege of one of the conspirators who got convicted I think but did he have any direct involvement? I don't think he did, did he?

Beer

Beer is the world's oldest[1] and most widely consumed[2] alcoholic beverage and the third most popular drink overall after water and tea.[3] It is produced by the brewing and fermentation of starches, mainly derived from cereal grains—the most common of which is malted barley, although wheat, maize (corn), and rice are widely used. Most beer is flavoured with hops, which add bitterness and act as a natural preservative, though other flavourings such as herbs or fruit may occasionally be included.

Some of humanity's earliest known writings refer to the production and distribution of beer: the Code of Hammurabi included laws regulating beer and beer parlours,[4] and "The Hymn to Ninkasi," a prayer to the Mesopotamian goddess of beer, served as both a prayer and as a method of remembering the recipe for beer in a culture with few literate people.[5][6] Today, the brewing industry is a global business, consisting of several dominant multinational companies and many thousands of smaller producers ranging from brewpubs to regional breweries.

The basics of brewing beer are shared across national and cultural boundaries and are commonly categorized into two main types — the globally popular pale lagers, and the regionally distinct ales,[7] which are further categorised into other varieties such as pale ale, stout and brown ale. The strength of beer is usually around 4% to 6% alcohol by volume (abv.) though may range from less than 1% abv., to over 20% abv. in rare cases.

Beer forms part of the culture of various beer-drinking nations and has acquired various social traditions and associations, such as beer festivals and a rich pub culture involving activities such as pub crawling or pub games such as bar billiards.

Most excellent skating tonight...!

The coach didn't come tonight so I skated for two solid hours instead of the usual skate a little, stretch, do drills and stop in between each one, skate, stretch...I blew off a lot of steam, I literally felt better as I skated as fast as I could and really felt how pissed I am about working for less pay...Now I might make it until Tuesday's practice without exploding a gasket ...

Season of Travesties: Freedom and Democracy in mid-2009.

The Offspring - Gone Away

Goldman Sachs profit bonanza a no-win scenario?

Reuters claims Sachs is in a no-win because big profits will look bad after such unpleasant news about how they obtained their loot.- Reuters

Give me a break.

WTH?

Kudos Alice ... on Sun, 07/12/2009 - 10:43pm.

& Tea Cheers to All ... ;)

Players Holiday

Beer has saved the world Bob

- Many times over. It's also rescued more than a few bad dates.

RAEKWON feat. GHOSTFACE & METHOD MAN - NEW WU [OFFICIAL VIDEO]**

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU6KhFWvKPM

Bush - Glycerine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU6KhFWvKPM

Bush - Glycerine

Chuck D

has the president of the RCP on his AAR radio show. WTF!

Tuesday July 14 @Revolution Books NYC

A Dialogue Between CORNEL WEST and CARL DIX

Tickets: $20 - Premium Tickets: $100. Group rates also available.

To purchase tickets:
From Revolution Books: 212-691-3345, or on line at www.revolutionbooksnyc.org/Purchase.htm

From Harlem Stage: 212-281-9240 ext.6, or online www.harlemstage.org

For more information or to volunteer, call Revolution Books at 212-691-3345, Email: cornelcarldialogue@gmail.com

THIS EVENT promises to be a crackling evening of passionate and penetrating conversation over matters that many are seriously concerned about but have not dared to discuss out loud and in public. Cornel West and Carl Dix will break the silence and address from their different philosophical perspectives what the election of Obama really means for people in the U.S. and around the world. And they will exchange over the need for resistance and the prospects for and path to liberation for the oppressed in the U.S. and indeed, for all of humanity.

CORNEL WEST is one of America's most provocative public intellectuals and has been a champion for racial justice since childhood. His writing, speaking, and teaching weave together the traditions of the black Baptist Church, progressive politics, and jazz. The New York Times has praised his "ferocious moral vision." Dr. West currently teaches at Princeton University.

CARL DIXis a longtime revolutionary and a founding member of the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA. In 1970 Carl was one of the Fort Lewis 6, six GI’s who refused orders to go to Vietnam. He served two years in Leavenworth Military Penitentiary for this stand. In the aftermath of the 1985 bombing of the MOVE house in Philadelphia, Carl initiated the Draw the Line statement, a powerful condemnation of the attack. He co-founded the October 22nd Coalition to Stop Police Brutality in 1996. Carl coordinated the Katrina hearings of the 2006 Bush Crimes Commission.

Proceeds of this event will benefit Revolution Books in New York City and the Prisoners Revolutionary Literature Fund, which provides subsidized subscriptions to Revolution newspaper and other revolutionary literature to prisoners. Information about the Prisoners Revolutionary Literature Fund is available at: www.prisonersrevolutionaryliteraturefund.org

Ode on Melancholy, by John Keats


No, no! go not to Lethe, neither twist
Wolf's-bane, tight-rooted, for its poisonous wine;
Nor suffer thy pale forehead to be kissed
By nightshade, ruby grape of Proserpine;
Make not your rosary of yew-berries,
Nor let the beetle nor the death-moth be
Your mournful Psyche, nor the downy owl
A partner in your sorrow's mysteries;
For shade to shade will come too drowsily,
And drown the wakeful anguish of the soul.

But when the melancholy fit shall fall
Sudden from heaven like a weeping cloud,
That fosters the droop-headed flowers all,
And hides the green hill in an April shroud;
Then glut thy sorrow on a morning rose,
Or on the rainbow of the salt sand-wave,
Or on the wealth of globed peonies;
Or if thy mistress some rich anger shows,
Emprison her soft hand, and let her rave,
And feed deep, deep upon her peerless eyes.

She dwells with Beauty -- Beauty that must die;
And Joy, whose hand is ever at his lips
Bidding adieu; and aching Pleasure nigh,
Turning to poison while the bee-mouth sips;
Ay, in the very temple of delight
Veiled Melancholy has her sovran shrine,
Though seen of none save him whose strenuous
tongue
Can burst Joy's grape against his palate fine;
His soul shall taste the sadness of her might,
And be among her cloudy trophies hung.

I'm Still Singing The Same Song

Submitted by toniD on Sun, 07/12/2009 - 10:09pm.
Here's what I posted earlier....
Attorney General may launch torture
probe against Bush administration

Contrary to White House wishes...
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toniD,

I've been trying to digest this presidency as a whole. I think I'm seeing a pattern of Obama issuing a statement of White House policy and following it up with the power of the bully pulpit

and

a pattern of Obama issuing a statement of White House policy with zero follow-up "umph" behind it.

It is obvious to most observers that Obama (or any president in his circumstances) is loathe to waste political capital on a search-and-destroy mission directed at the previous administration's actions. The moral righteousness of hunting down criminal acts and the criminals behind them might thrill cent, but it would energize and mobilize ten Republicans to attack and stonewall Obama for every Lefty cent it thrills.

The Republican party is scavenging for anything it can build a movement around and Obama would be crazy to throw the Right some red meat with his name on it.

If investigations ensue despite a lack of vocal support (at least initially) from the White House, the Republicans will only have lesser officials to attack who are pushing the investigation effort. Obama has already insulated the White House from accusations of spearheading an investigation movement by issuing a few statements (with no "umph" behind them).

I could easily be wrong in thinking that the White House team is making slick moves and staying a step ahead of the opposition but if I am, I'm not alone.

It is possible that the White House has long been aware of a lot of the nasty stuff that is trickling out in the press related to the Bush administration's shenanigans (and more that has yet to be exposed to the public), but was also aware that the information would "out" over time without any need to make Obama the symbolic leader of an anti-Bush era attack.

There is a lot of "common knowledge" that floats around on Capitol Hill, especially within the White House, that reporters and others must struggle to verify as fact before they can expose it. Extra-marital sexual affairs are a minor-league case in point.

Add to the "common knowledge" of Capitol insiders the fact that the President is and can be privy to highly sensitive information and he can be aware that some of it is too widely known for it to remain in the shadows, and you get to a point where you can surmise that the President's best option is to step back and let the Attorney General and a few people in both houses of Congress take the heat for hanging Cheney and Bush and Rumsfeld from lamp posts.

If investigations continue to go forward, regardless of how far forward they go, I am going to be inclined to believe that Obama's actions helped to facilitate them despite his statements to the contrary.

It's an on-going theory, though, and I reserve the right to change my mind if Obama uses the bully pulpit to slow down or squash the investigation movement.

For now, it looks like Obama is sending the kids out into the rain with the meaningless admonition "Don't play in the mud."

-CORNEL WEST-

He's cool...

There's one of those bookstores in Berkeley, CA too..

http://revolutionbooks.org/

The cigarette tax is making people go crazy

An unidentified man who burst into a Kansas VA medical center with a gun surrendered after trading his ammunition for a pack of cigarettes. - USA Today

being a smoker,

i can tell you, i will go crazy.

if bob posts another bush song.

"I'm better now, I'm O.K."

I've been thinking it Crank

Let's hope it's so!

Night all!

Whats This?!?!

my funk soul brother Dick Cheney withholding information from congress?

my stars what a shock!
my reality will never recover.

"I'm better now, I'm O.K."

g'nite ms t

hope chi-towns beautiful for you tomorrow.

"I'm better now, I'm O.K."

high-tech military sonar tracking devices killing whales

New York Times-International Herald Tribune
Global Edition
Magazine
By CHARLES SIEBERT
Published: July 8, 2009

    ~snip~
    The suspicion of a causal relationship between whale strandings and either seismic tests or the use of new high-tech sonar tracking devices in military-training exercises had been mounting for some time. Similar coincidences had been noted off the coasts of Brazil, the Bahamas, the Galápagos Islands, the U.S. Virgin Islands and Japan, as well as in the waters off Italy and Greece. Necropsies performed on a number of the whales revealed lesions about their brains and ears. The results of the examinations performed on the Canary Islands whales, however, added a whole other, darker dimension to the whale-stranding mystery. In addition to bleeding around the whales’ brains and ears, scientists found lesions in their livers, lungs and kidneys, as well as nitrogen bubbles in their organs and tissue, all classic symptoms of a sickness that scientists had naturally assumed whales would be immune to: the bends

    It might sound like something out of a bad sci-fi film: whales sent into suicidal dashes toward the ocean’s surface to escape the madness-inducing echo chamber that we humans have made of their sound-sensitive habitat. But since the Canary Islands stranding in 2002, similar necropsy results have turned up with a number of beached whales, and the deleterious effects of sonar and other human-generated sounds on ocean ecosystems have been firmly established.

    As described in a 2005 report published by the Natural Resources Defense Council, “Sounding the Depths II: The Rising Toll of Sonar, Shipping and Industrial Ocean Noise on Marine Life,” oceans that as recently as 100 years ago had been one vast, ongoing whale and piscine chorus have now essentially become senses-wilting miasmas of human-made noise. At a 2004 International Whaling Commission symposium, more than 100 scientists signed a statement asserting that the association between sonar and whale deaths “is very convincing and appears overwhelming.”

    The question of sonar’s catastrophic effects on whales even reached the Supreme Court last November, in a case pitting the United States Navy against the Natural Resources Defense Council.

    ~snip~
    Whales, we now know, teach and learn. They scheme. They cooperate, and they grieve. They recognize themselves and their friends. They know and fight back against their enemies. And perhaps most stunningly, given all of our transgressions against them, they may even, in certain circumstances, have learned to trust us again.

    TEN BIG PAGES!
    Watching Whales Watching Us
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/magazine/12whales-t.html?_r=1&pagewant...

Death of USA newspapers imo

I know you know, but i'm sayin it again.
Submitted by edna ellen poe on Sun, 07/12/2009 - 7:47pm.
...

========================

Possible main reasons U.S. print press media is in trouble--

o U.S. literacy rate is collapsing. And it is dang hard to find any studies on it (last time I tried) so I wonder if it is being kept from the taxpayers.

o American lifestyle is not a reading lifestyle -- Americans are too busy driving, commuting, working, eating fastfood to take time to read. We do not have a relaxed cafe/pub lifestyle at any level.

o Reduced readership because the TV-radio media lead the public to believe nothing is going on that is worth reading about! (I think this one is the BIG SLEEPER as I've never heard it mentioned anywhere yet! Did you hear it here first?)

o Media Consolidation with borrowed money: Being bought out with highly leveraged money (MASSIVE DEBT (at high interest) leading to massive cash flow problems, which leads to the self-cannibalization using lay offs, closing offices, ending correspondent reporting, less research/investigation, reduced frequency, outsourced printing and so on

http://www.fourthcornerexchange.com/

Camel: Ice

Those Nixon years and what was learned by Rove and others

A lot of stop-and-blink-twice-before-you-read-on insights in this PHIL ROCKSTROH piece!

like this one:

"...I noticed my fellow peak-years-of-the-Baby-Boom teenagers were not the progeny of The Woodstock Nation, as the beleaguered authoritarian types of the era had feared. Instead we were the floating spirit-incarnate of a pop culture Weimar Republic. As a rule, we used drugs neither to expand our awareness nor as an act of social or political rebellion -- rather they were utilized as apolitical agents of anesthetization...."

Read more here:

http://dissidentvoice.org/July05/Rockstroh0731.htm

Here's another excerpt:

"...we shield ourselves from our complicity in the carnage by choosing to remain fixated by our small concerns and mind-numbing distractions, rationalizing the corruption of the corporate and political classes is in no way a reflection of our own self-serving proclivities; we march through our commodified, daily lives -- Storm Troopers of our venal, corporatized agendas (all maintained by bunker buster bomb imperialism and planet-looting ecocide); our thoughts as banal as Eichmann's as he calculated the weight capacity of death camp bound boxcars as, all the while, foreign blood is spilled in our name and the natural world that sustains us dies.

Yet, more than likely, the readers of this essay are as mortified, heartsick, and enraged by the actions of the US Government and the corporate overlords who own and operate it as is this writer -- nevertheless, we carry the empire within us as deeply as we carry the imprints of our parents' faces. It is too immense for us not to; it is too pervasive and invasive for us to avoid; it weaned us and socialized us -- and even when we rebel against it, our actions are generally restricted within limits set by it. Otherwise, the consequences would be too crushing for most of us to endure: financial ruin, destitution, homelessness, prison. There are reasons the neoliberal oligarchs endeavor to widen the class distinctions in the United States and abroad: The harsher the economic consequences are for the laboring classes to risk defiance the more obedient we will grow, particularly when we are incessantly plied with the synergy of corporate salesmanship and state propaganda -- and everyday we must negotiate our way through a collective mindscape as hyper-commercialized, zoning-bereft, and nature-denuded as the endless clip joints of corporate capitalism spanning the length of the land."

Fair enough Crank....

I'll accept that well intentioned although grossly overstated and barbed characterization....

If you will accept the idea that more direct action from Obama, preferably due to more political pressure from the Left, would help get more liberal agenda passed, sooner...

basic physics Crank...

Why would Cheney order the CIA to lie to Congress

about having a secret plan to kill Qaeda leaders? Isn't that what they went there to do in 2001? Who didn't know they were working on a plan to topple Al Qaeda and kill their leaders? Something sounds fishy.

newspapers are obselete

simply because the are already a day old when you get them.

and i know that not everyone can afford iphones, but i bet that all the people who can used to buy the paper everyday.

every single one of them.

"I'm better now, I'm O.K."

Somebody Hacked The Google News Algorithm

Today I perused the Google News page as is my habit. On the top right of the page is a list of news items that may or may not be included in the paragraph-long news items that occupy the rest of the page (Business, Sports, etc.).

In the mini-list was "Viagra available on-line!"

I clicked on it to see if something other than the usual Viagra spam was the subject. Perhaps the spam WAS the subject?

Nope. I was given a compilation page of:

Results 1 – 30 of about 962 for Buy VIAGRA. (0.21 seconds)

Below is a link to the compilation page which has to be the highlight of a hacker's day.

http://news.google.com/news?pz=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=Buy+VIAGRA&num=30&ict=it...

See above ...by FilthyRich on Sun, 07/12/2009 - 11:54pm.

high-tech military sonar tracking devices killing whales
new
Submitted by FilthyRich on Sun, 07/12/2009 - 11:54pm.
New York Times-International Herald Tribune
Global Edition
Magazine
By CHARLES SIEBERT
Published: July 8, 2009

~snip~
The suspicion of a causal relationship between whale strandings and either seismic tests or the use of new high-tech sonar tracking devices in military-training exercises had been mounting for some time. Similar coincidences had been noted off the coasts of Brazil, the Bahamas, the Galápagos Islands, the U.S. Virgin Islands and Japan, as well as in the waters off Italy and Greece. Necropsies performed on a number of the whales revealed lesions about their brains and ears. The results of the examinations performed on the Canary Islands whales, however, added a whole other, darker dimension to the whale-stranding mystery. In addition to bleeding around the whales’ brains and ears, scientists found lesions in their livers, lungs and kidneys, as well as nitrogen bubbles in their organs and tissue, all classic symptoms of a sickness that scientists had naturally assumed whales would be immune to: the bends

It might sound like something out of a bad sci-fi film: whales sent into suicidal dashes toward the ocean’s surface to escape the madness-inducing echo chamber that we humans have made of their sound-sensitive habitat.
******
see above or

Watching Whales Watching Us
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/magazine/12whales-t.html?_r=1&pagewant...

Physics Is Real

Submitted by cent on Sun, 07/12/2009 - 11:57pm.
...basic physics Crank...
------
This is where you and I part company.

There is no basic physics in politics. Politics includes levitation, slight-of-hand, phrenology and beliefs in weird supernatural beings.

I understand your drive to mold politics into something that makes sense to you. I spent years with the same attitude before I gave up. The attitude is based in morality and justice which are goals that I would never argue against.

Unfortunately politics operates on its own shape-shifting set of rules that have no relationship with the Universe at large. I want to ferret-out those liquid rules so that, once in a while, I understand how to get to morality and justice in spite of the game.

It's sorta like keeping the attention of the Three Card Monte scam artist on me as his mark, while my confederate picks his pocket. Sure, politics has made me a grifter and a scammer and a thief in the process...

...but it's for a good cause.

She'll Smoke 'Em

I hate making predictions because...it's a fool's game.

So I'm a fool this time around. Sonia Sotomayor will run rings around her attackers in the confirmation hearings.

The average Republican politico who wants to play to his or her constituents back home doesn't have the language or deliberative or extemporaneous chops to take on a woman of Sotomayor's caliber.

She has been playing the language game for decades but, unlike politicians, her language game has been a matter of record to the utmost.

She won't be trapped in a hearing by the likes of Inhofe.

Very interesting to see a great investigative reporter, like a

Larisa's blog
Submitted by toniD on Sun, 07/12/2009 - 10:19pm.
Just who were Bush/Cheney/Rove spying on, really?

From WaPo:

"Extraordinary and inappropriate" secrecy about a warrantless eavesdropping program undermined its effectiveness as a terrorism-fighting tool, government watchdogs have concluded in the first examination of one of the most contentious episodes of the Bush administration.

A report by inspectors general from five intelligence agencies said the administration's tight control over who learned of the program also contributed to flawed legal arguments that nearly prompted mass resignations in the Justice Department five years ago.

...

========================

Very interesting to watch a great investigative reporter, like a good lawyer, take an evident conspirators' crime and work to get to know it. One difference: Where the reporter might be interested in motive, the lawyer just has to prove the crime was committed -- no motive needed.

To add to the possibilities, I contribute this: The Bush Crime Family isn't done. They left protections in place for their friends at Goldman Sachs and J.P. Morgan Chase. They have every intention of making a full public comeback, in my view. They've been at this wholesale rip-off of the USA at least since Skull&Bones was founded in the 1800s, since grandfather Walker worked with J.P. Morgan on the railroads, and since American Industrialists perfected war profiteering during World War One.

Whatever information they've gleaned, I think it will have to do with wiping the map of all groups, institutions and individuals who bear witness to their crimes and/or hold the information they choose to suppress and destroy. Because PUBLIC IGNORANCE is their primary tool in fashioning their brand of despotism and exploitation and slavery.

Uppity woman?

She'll Smoke 'Em
new
Submitted by Crank Bait on Mon, 07/13/2009 - 12:50am.
I hate making predictions because...it's a fool's game.

So I'm a fool this time around. Sonia Sotomayor will run rings around her attackers in the confirmation hearings.

The average Republican politico who wants to play to his or her constituents back home doesn't have the language or deliberative or extemporaneous chops to take on a woman of Sotomayor's caliber.

She has been playing the language game for decades but, unlike politicians, her language game has been a matter of record to the utmost.

She won't be trapped in a hearing by the likes of Inhofe.

========================

If that's so, they'll hate her all the more for it, Crank. And they are a nasty group.

short-slighted Pilating

Submitted by Crank Bait on Sun, 07/12/2009 - 9:53pm.

Another metaphor is Obama as Pontius Pilot who washes his hands of the fate of Cheney and Bush, leaving it to the gathered masses to decide ...

-----

Submitted by Crank Bait on Mon, 07/13/2009 - 12:28am.

There is no basic physics in politics. Politics includes levitation, slight-of-hand, phrenology and beliefs in weird supernatural beings ...

__________________________

Slight of Pilate, sleight of pilot?

Not-So-Breaking News

Submitted by nora on Mon, 07/13/2009 - 12:50am.
...Because PUBLIC IGNORANCE is their primary tool...
--------
[Yawn]

Next!

Re: Sotomayor...as far as I can tell

Jeff Sessions saying her appointment "is not a foregone conclusion", means it is exactly a foregone conclusion.

I'm just gonna tweet Sessions and tell him Crank said so just to speed things along.

"this machine kills fascists"

Barnstorming In The Coliseum

Submitted by dr on Mon, 07/13/2009 - 12:58am.
Slight of Pilate, sleight of pilot?
--------
I was referring to the little-known aviator, Lt. Pontius Pilot.

long day here

later if anyone sticks around.

~`ordinary's just not good enough today - olp`~
Jamesbennett

Correction

That should be Lt. Pontius, pilot.

two-positives CAN make a(n ironic) neg!

Submitted by Crank Bait on Mon, 07/13/2009 - 1:03am.

Submitted by dr on Mon, 07/13/2009 - 12:58am.
Slight of Pilate, sleight of pilot?
--------
I was referring to the little-known aviator, Lt. Pontius Pilot.

_____________

Yeah, Wright.

A Toga With Epaulets

I'm pretty sure that mire dated Lt. Pontius back in the day.

Night, owls.

Ain't gotta go home, but can't stay here.

"Yeah, Wright."

Sopwith that??!!

"this machine kills fascists"

Trying To One-Up Street Speak

"Yeah, Wright."
Submitted by 60th Street on Mon, 07/13/2009 - 1:16am.
Sopwith that??!!
------
Fokker!

Aircraftiness

Can I weave Spad into a spaz joke?

No, I can't. Not yet, anyway.

Another 21st Century curse

The stench of overly-perfumed (synthetic oil by-product no doubt) laundry dryer exhaust wafting through the air, day and night -- especially night.

wow, Crank, i was talking about that this afternoon ...kewl ...

;)
re:dr on Mon, 07/13/2009 - 1:08am.

Computer access factor a valid one for sure

newspapers are obselete
Submitted by Rich Phittswell on Mon, 07/13/2009 - 12:00am.
simply because the are already a day old when you get them.

and i know that not everyone can afford iphones, but i bet that all the people who can used to buy the paper everyday.

every single one of them.

...
===================

Okay.

That's another point.

Will really be a powerful point, too, if it goes along with a fact like Americans have more computers than Brits. But I don't know if that is the case....

Palestinians under the boot of blockades

Why are the blockades still in place? Because the Israelis are sadistic despot bigot colonialists.

http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/the-two-state-solution-israeli-style/c...

by Jonathan Cook

[excerpt]
This is creating a culture of absolute Israeli control and absolute Palestinian dependency, enforced by proxy Palestinian rulers acting as mini-dictatorships.

For a growing number of Palestinians, the conditions of bare subsistence and even survival are Israeli gifts that few can afford to spurn through political activity, let alone civil disobedience or armed resistance. The Palestinian will to organise and resist as their land is seized for settlements is being inexorably sapped.

It is little mentioned but Israel all but abandoned completing its massive separation wall in the West Bank some time ago. There are significant gaps waiting to be filled, but, with things having grown so quiet and the cost of each kilometre of wall so high, the sense of political and military urgency has evaporated.
...

As the normally restrained International Committee of the Red Cross reported last month: “Most of the very poor have exhausted their coping mechanisms. Many have no savings left. They have sold private belongings such as jewellery and furniture and started to sell productive assets including farm animals, land, fishing boats or cars used as taxis.”

[end excerpt]

Our jewel of a Planet -- and 100+ years of Industrialized Tech

high-tech military sonar tracking devices killing whales
Submitted by FilthyRich on Sun, 07/12/2009 - 11:54pm.
...
===========================

Really horrible. This must be stopped.

I saw a documentary on Egypt the other night and instead of discussing why the Egyptian culture lasted so long, the documentarians rather presented the entire program in terms of Pharoahs and their conquests and EMPIRE. That is the single lens through which we in this country view everything -- even history. EMPIRE, EMPIRE AND MORE EMPIRE. Like an atrophied reasoning skill -- we're frozen in mono-analysis.

The longest-lived, most stable cultures have been the agricultural, low-tech cultures. Never a word was said in that direction on the program.

Take our American culture, for instance. It is not that the democratic experiment has failed. What is collapsing on us is the entire MACHINE of Industrialization and the Consumerism it requires. We are proud and protective of our technological advances, but technological advances are the death of us because they are used only for profit by a few and are not used to seek sustainability. For instance, the natural cycles of the Nile River sustained the Egyptians for millennia; then modern technology built a giant dam that now prevents the deposit of fresh silt to keep the ag lands fertile, salts are building up in the soils, and since no fresh water is flowing into the Mediterranean from the Nile, the Mediterranean Ocean is losing fish habitat.

Sonar may be a great toy for the EMPIRE set along with all their other toys like nuclear everything, but they are creating a sesspool of death out of this Blue Planet.

Yes, I agree, Nora, new strategies are in order. grrr

;)

At Karnack

I remember walking with a crowd in a stone passage transition area and see a local boy hang a quick right and then another in a narrow side passage. I'm a few steps behind and we end up 4' above the heads of the crowd passing beneath us. They don't see us. The best part, we are facing across the passage the most beautiful carved panel...2'x4'(?) Don't remember what it was of, prob. some pharaoh conquest thing [ ;) ] lost the pics I took there.

some good points nora.
---Our jewel of a Planet -- and 100+ years of Industrialized Tech
new
Submitted by nora on Mon, 07/13/2009 - 2:30am.---

http://www.ask-aladdin.com/karnak.html

~`ordinary's just not good enough today - olp`~
Jamesbennett

edna, calling the Catholic church

"an international pedophile network" is beyond the pale.

I was raised Catholic, and I hate it the same as all religions. Organized or not, for that matter. I'd love to have a religion of some sort, but they're all ridiculous and have no basis in reality. Existentialism is the closest I've found.

BUT THAT IS ALL BESIDE THE POINT.

Look, the only reason that the Catholic church can be seen as a "pedophile network" is because THERE IS A CATHOLIC CHURCH. In other words, there's a hierarchy that you can follow up the chain. If you think any other Christian sects don't have sickos in their clergy then I'd ask you to rethink your logic.

The fact that the Catholic church has a hierarchy, believe it or not, is a good thing in this case. Hear me out. Yes, it allowed church officials to move priests under suspicion around. But, once unearthed, there's a "network" to follow, a chain of command to investigate. I fully believe that this is just as much of an issue in other Christian churches. But you don't hear about them, because Protestant churches are their own little kingdoms. One discovery of a crime does not immediately lead you to the next if you are investigating them.

There is nothing in Catholic teaching that sanctions child sexual abuse. And keep in mind that the Catholic church is far to the left of most Protestant churches on loads of issues. I could just as easily make a blanket statement about Protestant churches being a bunch of Neo-Nazis, but I won't, because its unfair and ridiculous and intellectually lazy.

Just to be clear, I'm not defending at all the intensely evil actions of the American Catholic church. I shouldn't even have to reiterate that. And that said, fuck religion anyways.

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http://www.vodamusic.com/blog/

The Top 10 Conservative Idiots, No. 368

July 13, 2009 - Palin Out Edition

First of all I want to apologize for leaving Free Republic off the list this week. I'd almost finished the Top 10 when the story came along and I was so done with right-wing douchebaggery by that point, I couldn't bring myself to write about it.

If you missed it, you can check out the scoop here. And now, on with the show. Sarah Palin (1,2,3) takes her ball and goes home, John Ensign (4) asks mom and dad for some extra pocket money, and Brian Kilmeade (6) is a couple sandwiches short of a picnic.

"And when Palin wins"

ghettodefender, I must ask, are you crazy?! ;)

No shot in hell that woman wins anything. On top of her being a completely crazy person who nobody likes, now she can't even run on her record as governor, saying as she failed to complete a single term. You run against her on the fact that she's 1) crazy and 2) a quitter. She's the very definition of Toast, my friend! ;)

IMO, it's such a sure bet that I'm almost willing to contribute money to SarahPac if she runs for the Rapeublican nomination. Almost...
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http://www.vodamusic.com/blog/

What to Watch for at

What to Watch for at Sotomayor's Hearing

CQ Politics: "Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor will have to perform a rhetorical high-wire exercise during her Senate confirmation hearing, which begins Monday. She will need to show the Judiciary Committee a mastery of constitutional law without being too specific on any particular legal issue. She will have to respond dispassionately to pointed questions, demonstrating a judicial temperament worthy of the high court."

http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docid=news-000003164112

Politico says a "200-plus-page White House playbook distributed to Senate Judiciary Committee Democrats" outlines "a streamlined, no-drama strategy modeled on the flawless performance of Chief Justice John Roberts back in 2005. Roberts bedeviled Democrats by deflecting questions about his judicial philosophy with the law school equivalent of Greenspan-speak, the art of saying virtually nothing in the most expansive language possible."

Said one Democratic aide: "Roberts is our gold standard."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/24850.html

Meanwhile, The Fix has the five senators to watch on the Judiciary Committee during questioning.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/morning-fix/071309-sotomayor-hea...

CIT Warns Demise Would

CIT Warns Demise Would Create Crisis, Put Manufacturers at Risk of Failure

CIT Group Inc., the century-old lender that hasn’t been able to persuade the government to back its debt sales, says its demise would put 760 manufacturing clients at risk of failure and “precipitate a crisis” for as many as 300,000 retailers.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=antG4OSxVsHQ

Pandit's `Globality' May

Pandit's `Globality' May Pique Regulators Pressured to Keep Loans at Home
Citigroup Inc.’s plan to profit from growth in foreign markets may put Chief Executive Officer Vikram Pandit at odds with the U.S. government’s stated interest in curbing risk and stoking the domestic economy with loans.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=ay611KakOJ8Q

Cubs Bankruptcy Looms as Way

Cubs Bankruptcy Looms as Way for Buyer to Leave Zell's Debt-Laden Tribune

The Chicago Cubs may become the first Major League Baseball team in 39 years to file for bankruptcy as Tribune Co. seeks to sell the franchise after months of negotiations.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aArEAGUlLmS8

In spite of losing, the Cubs were doing well. Wrigley field is always full, many times to capacity and the cubs logo things sell well. If the Cubs organization is going bankrupt it is because they were used for a money feed for the Tribune's other endeavors, mainly the loss of advertising and the sale of newspapers.

BusinessWeek Put Up for Sale

BusinessWeek Put Up for Sale as McGraw-Hill Said to Hire Evercore Partners
McGraw-Hill Cos. hired Evercore Partners Inc., the boutique investment bank founded by Roger Altman, to sell BusinessWeek magazine, a person close to the situation said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=abELiuNJa7K0

Bernanke May Explain Exit

Bernanke May Explain Exit Strategy From Fed's Biggest Monetary Expansion
Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke probably will show how the central bank will exit the biggest monetary expansion in history when he reports to Congress next week, economists said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=aNU.UkT9EB68

Obama's Stimulus Money

Obama's Stimulus Money Starts Flowing to Projects as Jobless Await Results
David Oneglia was looking at the likelihood of layoffs at his construction company. Then he landed a contract funded by the federal stimulus program to repair roads and bridges on Connecticut’s Merritt Parkway.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=abzHCz7Sl.84

NEW THREAD NEW THREAD NEW THREAD!

New Thread !

New Thread..

http://www.samsedershow.com/node/5019

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Nano particles

http://www.alternet.org/story/141212/

But fears abound that the teeny genie is escaping from its bottle.
The asbestos parallel causes particular concern--prompting the
Australian Council of Trade Unions, for example, to call for that
country to adopt nano regulations by year's end. At the Bethesda
workshop in February, Harvard industrial hygienist Robert Herrick
advocated an all-out effort to gather information about nano
exposures and possible related illnesses. The asbestos industry could
have undertaken a similar effort in the 1930s, he noted. Instead,
industry execs decided to keep the subject quiet. If they had gone
the other way, Herrick wondered, "how different would history be?"

/ Carole Bass, a journalist, writes about the environment, workplace
health, legal affairs and other subjects. /

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