never gets old

Where is everyone?
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"The Once and Future Rajah of Bhong."

blog monsters et em.

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

...b-list director Roland Emmerich's trying to stoke some paranoia. And of course, cash in on it.

http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2008/11/2012_teaser_trailer_is_a_docum.php

[Warning to those who are concerned: the article around the trailer drips with smarm]

:)

Just wondering SJ, does it make you tax exempt?

A rule whereby any corporation/bank/whatever receiving bailout money imposes a mandatory salary cap on all employees. In a nutshell, no employee/CEO/etc is allowed more than maybe ten (?) times the salary of the lowest paid employee (including overseas workers, and counting all bonuses, etc). This would remain in effect until they pay off the bailout.

I haven't thought this through really, but will think about it on the way home tonight. I'm just leaving the office now, will have to mull this idea over...

Cheers!
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something there.

24-21 end of the 3rd. NE looking much better on both O and D.

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

I just heard Obama resigned his senate seat.

Just like that? Just ups and quits? No 2 weeks notice or nothing?

I'm starting to regret voting for him, we need someone reliable...
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And onother thing...

Who's going to take his shift? That coal won't shovel it's self!

or whatever they do in the senate...
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Submitted by MMRules on Thu, 11/13/2008 - 11:42pm.
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Hilarious MM!

"Just wondering SJ, does it make you tax exempt?"

i dunno.

maybe. lemme know what you find out about that.

it sure came in handy when i needed some information from Kev's hospital.

Watchdog Panel Is Empty; Report Is Unfinished

By Amit R. Paley
Washington Post Staff Writer

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"It's a mess," said Eric M. Thorson, the Treasury Department's inspector general, who has been working to oversee the bailout program until the newly created position of special inspector general is filled. "I don't think anyone understands right now how we're going to do proper oversight of this thing."

Con't

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

making chicken soup!

wanna come over for dinner and join us?

Bush in Race Against Time to Wreck Country

Andy Borowitz, Posted November 13, 2008 | 01:46 PM (EST)

Confounding the conventional wisdom that he is a lame duck president with no agenda as his days in office dwindle, President George W. Bush is redoubling his efforts to mutilate the country before his term expires, aides confirmed today.

"President Bush has spent the first seven years and ten months of his presidency doing everything in his power to leave the United States in smoldering ruins," said White House spokesperson Dana Perino. "He certainly is not going to let the final days of his tenure go to waste."

While Ms. Perino said that President Bush is proud to have led the U.S. into a "pointless and totally avoidable catastrophe in Iraq" and "the most terrifying financial cataclysm since the Great Depression," he is "in no way prepared to rest on his laurels."

Mr. Bush is "delighted," Ms. Perino said, that the stock market has lost one trillion dollars of its value in the last three days, but "that's just the tip of the iceberg in terms of the damage he hopes to wreak in his remaining time in office."

Among the targets for destruction that the President is currently eyeing, Ms. Perino indicated that the demise of the Big Three automakers was at the top of his list.

"If the President could preside over the disappearance of the Big Three and the millions of jobs they represent, that would be the ultimate feather in his cap," she said.

For his part, Mr. Bush took few questions from reporters today, saying that he had to return to the Oval Office to order random airstrikes over Belgium.

Andy Borowitz is a comedian and writer whose work appears in The New Yorker and The New York Times, and at his award-winning humor site, BorowitzReport.com.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/bush-in-race-against-time_b_...

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Don't knock it til...

http://a.abcnews.com/images/GMA/abc_gma_transgender1_081108_mn.jpg

Good ol' Stu Rasmussen, Mayor of Silverton, Oregon

My Mom grew up there, and I attended First grade there, before we moved to Stayton.

Hope your doing well..

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

I don't know for sure what perks it entails.
I did it for the easy access to awkward situations and the fun of Baptisms and Marriage ceremonies. Tax exemption would be an added perk! Plus I think my deceased, Unitarian Minister grandfather would get a kick out of people calling me Reverend.

By the way, are the terms Reverend, Minister and Pastor interchangeable?

Nightmares tonight ! ;)

Forgot:
And,with "As The Eagle Flies"playing in the background..

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Submitted by Chubby Bubba on Thu, 11/13/2008 - 11:47pm.
I just heard Obama resigned his senate seat.

Just like that? Just ups and quits? No 2 weeks notice or nothing?
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People are losing their jobs left and right. If Obama thinks that he can quit one job and walk right into another one, he's got another think coming!

Submitted by trapper on Fri, 11/14/2008 - 12:13am.
...By the way, are the terms Reverend, Minister and Pastor interchangeable?
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No.

All three can be one and the same but all three are not necessarily one and the same.

Sunshine Jim, take a look at these two stories and pics, pretty cool car stuff by Neil:
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How To Save A Major Automobile Company

Neil Young, Posted November 13, 2008 | 07:57 PM (EST)

Find a new ownership group. The culture must change. It is time to turn the page. In the high technology sector there are several candidates for ownership of a major car and truck manufacturer. We need forward looking people who are not restricted by the existing culture in Detroit. We need visionary people now with business sense to create automobiles that do not contribute to global warming.

It is time to change and our problems can facilitate our solutions. We can no longer afford to continue down Detroit's old road. The people have spoken. They do not want gas guzzlers (although they still like big cars and trucks). It is possible to build large long-range vehicles that are very efficient. People will buy those vehicles because they represent real change and a solution that we can live with.

The government must take advantage of the powerful position that exists today. The Big 3 are looking for a bailout. They should only get it if they agree to stop building autos that contribute to global warming now. The stress on the auto manufacturers today is gigantic. In order to keep people working in their jobs and keep factories open, this plan is suggested:

The big three must reduce models to basics. a truck, an SUV, a large family sedan, an economy sedan, and a sports car. Use existing tooling.

Keep building these models to keep the workforce employed but build them without engines and transmissions. These new vehicles, called Transition Rollers, are ready for a re-power. No new tooling is required at this stage. The adapters are part of the kits described next.

At the same time as the new Transition Rollers are being built, keeping the work force working, utilize existing technology now, create re-power kits to retrofit the Transition Rollers to SCEVs (self charging electric vehicles) for long range capability up to and over 100mpg. If you don't think this technology is realistic or available, check out the Progressive Insurance Automotive X prize. Alternatively, check out Lincvolt.com or other examples.

A bailed out Auto manufacturer must open or re-purpose one or more factories and dedicate them to do the re-power/retrofit assembly. These factories would focus on re-powering the Transition Rollers into SCEVs but could also retrofit and re-power many existing vehicles to SCEVs. These existing vehicles are currently sitting unsold at dealerships across America.

Auto manufacturers taking advantage of a government bailout must only sell clean and green vehicles that do not contribute to global warming. No more internal combustion engines that run exclusively on fossil fuels can be sold period.

No Big Three excuses like "new tooling takes time". New tooling is not a requirement for SCEV transition rollers.

Build only new vehicles that attain the goal of reversing global warming and enhancing National Security.

Government legislation going with the bailout should include tax breaks for purchasers of these cars with the new green SCEV technology. The legislation accompanying the bailout of major auto manufacturers must include directives to build only vehicles that attain the goal of reversing global warming while enhancing National security, and provide the financial assistance to make manufacturing these cars affordable in the short term while the industry re-stabilizes.

Eventually the SCEV technology could be built into every new car and truck as it is being assembled and the stop gap plan described above would have completed its job of keeping America building and working through this turbulent time.

Detroit has had a long time to adapt to the new world and now the failure of Detroit's actions is costing us all. We pay the bailout. Let's make a good deal for the future of America and the Planet. Companies like UQM (Colorado) and others build great electric motors right here in the USA. Use these domestic electric motors. Put these people to work now. This plan reverses the flow from negative to positive because people need and will buy clean and green cars to be part of World Change. Unique wheel covers will identify these cars on the road so that others can see the great example a new car owner is making. People want America to win!

This plan addresses the issue of Global warming from our automobiles while enhancing our National Security and keeping Detroit working.

Neil Young, activist (Bridge School, Farm Aid) rock legend, has assembled a team that in the process of transforming his gargantuan 1959 Lincoln Continental from a gas guzzler into a showcase for green technology and sustainability. The car will be entered into the Automotive X Prize that offers a $10 million prize to develop a vehicle that can get 100 miles per gallon or better. The almost 50 year old Lincoln, one of the biggest, heaviest production cars of all time, has been re-named "Linc Volt" and is the subject of a feature documentary called "Repowering The American Dream" that is now in production under the aegis of Young's Shakey Pictures.

Here is a link to last month's New York Times story on the Linc Volt. Here are some of the car are below:

Long May You Run: Neil Young’s Eco-Lincoln:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/30/automobiles/autospecial2/30young.html?...

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/neil-young/how-to-save-a-major-autom_b_143...

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or leashed. I do love my freedom!
Think I'll go with Reverend, it's smug yet irreverent considering the circumstances. Thanks Crank!
Oh yeah, can I do a Bris?

As soon as I heard the story had been leaked to Andrea Mitchell, I was suspicious. Oh she is down for Hillzilla. The Clinotn's were once her treasure robbing husband's boss. The two unnamed Obama advisor's are probably Hillary surrogates. It was probably leaked or concocted to put pressure on Obama. After all, Hillary is still jockeying for power. However, if Obama picks her after what she did, my respect for him goes. I remember tidbits like this:

Hillary Clinton believed that Obama's problems with white working-class voters made him unelectable, and she could be blunt about it when she got on the phone with superdelegates who threatened to switch to Obama. "Bill, he can't win!" she shouted on the phone to Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico

http://www.newsweek.com/id/167755/output/print
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Or this!

In truth, Hillary Clinton was on better terms with John McCain than she was with Barack Obama. The former First Lady and the four-term senator from Arizona had downed shots together on Senate junkets; they regarded each other as grizzled veterans of the political wars and shared a certain disdain for Obama as flashy and callow. In early June, on the night she officially lost the Democratic nomination, Hillary had enjoyed a long and friendly phone conversation with McCain.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/167905/output/print

and more!

what the ULC does is allow you to have your own personal religion.

i take the best of the religious ideas i've come across and try to live them.

i'm very easy on backsliders.

>>If Obama thinks that he can quit one job and walk right into another one, he's got another think coming!

you got that right! what if they check references?
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Two watchdog organizations scored a legal victory this week when a federal court denied a motion by the Bush Administration to dismiss a lawsuit challenging the White House's failure to properly store and recover millions of e-mails.

The e-mails are thought to pertain to several controversial issues including the Iraq war, the Valerie Plame leak and the CIA's destruction of interrogation tapes.

Link

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

>>i very easy on backsliders.

but if they screw with his truck again, he'll be after them with a hatchet in one hand and a bible in the other.
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Here is the link to read more information and photo's of Neil Young's new LincVolt company. Way Cool:

http://lincvolt.com/

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Are you Sampling Rusty's Catnip Again ? ;)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Right!!! He'll never get anywhere with that attitude!!!

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Unbelievable game! NE scores with 1 second left. 31-31. We are goin to OT. Jets win the toss.

she won't have a copy of the internets until November 25th.

Not sure that's really good for us.

Submitted by trapper on Fri, 11/14/2008 - 12:24am.
...Think I'll go with Reverend, it's smug yet irreverent considering the circumstances...
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All I ask is that you refer to Dr. James Dobson as Douche Bag.

I'm an incorrigible / encourageable backslider.

Can I get an "Ahem"?

This is the video from the last song of the last gig the Sex Pistols ever played. Ironically a cover of the Stooges song, "No Fun".

Except, of course, for when they reunited with the stated goal of making money off their past achievements. Which makes them both the most despicable and honest band in rock 'n' roll history. Right where they always wanted to be.

I highly recommend John Lydon's (Johnny Rotten) book "Rotten" if you want his side of the story. Happy to lend out my copy if yer interested and your library doesn't have it.

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"I am A Great American Patriot !!!" - McCain Scroter
http://www.vodamusic.com/blog/

bunnies....

Lets have a convention!!

Happe Talk

tashi delek

Happe Talk

We can discuss theology at the convention...

Happe Talk

"but if they screw with his truck again, he'll be after them with a hatchet in one hand and a bible in the other."

i forgave them after a few days of meditation on my own nature.

Learning & Collaboration with Neil Young's Linc Volt Team Excerpt:

In addition, Mr. Young said he would share whatever his team comes up with, so that others could build on their work. His Shakey Pictures is producing a documentary on the project, and he’s putting much of the video online as the project moves along, both at lincvolt.com and on a YouTube channel, youtube.com/lincvolt, he has set up. He said the car would also be linked to the Internet, so its vital statistics could be piped online in real time during each test drive.

“It’s a reality car show,” Mr. Young said. People will be able to see what mileage the car is getting, how it’s doing at different altitudes, how much battery life is left and how the generators are working.

“Lots of people will be able to pick up data from the Web site, and maybe learn from it and put it in their own projects,” he said. “The idea is to share the knowledge over the Internet and share the experience.”

“If we break down, they’ll see us break down. It’s an inclusive approach, rather than a secretive approach.”

Mr. Young said the information should run two ways. “We’re going to have an innovation gallery,” he said. “People can submit ideas, talk about them and vote which ones are best.”

The videos already on the site have an engaging, informal quality. Mr. Young, wearing sunglasses in the garage and sipping a beer, seems less like a rock star than an aging, paunchy mechanic, while Mr. Kruger and Mr. Goodwin have the lean look of guitar heroes.

Yet Mr. Young has the stage presence to carry the videos. In one, Mr. Goodwin and Mr. Kruger gave the geeky details of what kind of fuel they tried, and how they patched an engine leak, and then Mr. Young added a poetic touch, describing a test ride through Wichita in which the big white Lincoln moved stealthily on its near silent electric motor.

“It’s fantastic, it’s very eerie, very ghost-y,” he said, “this beautiful, white, huge car moving down the road and not making a sound.”:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/30/automobiles/autospecial2/30young.html?...

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Zen strip poker!

love it.

you start out naked

and come out clothed in your convictions.

:)

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NYJ 34 NE 31 final ot

How bout the " Anti Pasteur " Douche Bag?

How bout the " Anti Pasteur " Douche Bag?

trapper

It sounds like fun really. I can't stand being stuck in an office, and I've got problems with authority...

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"I am A Great American Patriot !!!" - McCain Scroter
http://www.vodamusic.com/blog/

>>Are you Sampling Rusty's Catnip Again ? ;)

little bit...
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you can also get one of those "clergy" signs for when you're parked illegally whilst administering last rites or whatever.

I'd assume the tax thing applies only to income you've been paid from the church or possibly only to church income itself.

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"I am A Great American Patriot !!!" - McCain Scroter
http://www.vodamusic.com/blog/

First one to loose their shoes goes to confession.

ok, but I will do prostrations...

but that would be kinda scary huh

Happe Talk

Here we go again...

17 in hospital with suspected bird flu

Andi Hajramurni and Suherdjoko, The Jakarta Post, Makassar, Semarang

A South Sulawesi hospital was overwhelmed as it admitted in two days 17 patients believed to have bird flu, an official said Thursday.

http://old.thejakartapost.com/detailheadlines.asp?fileid=20081114.A05&ir...

Jakarta Post...HA!...man I do love these internets....

And it's almost Thanksgiving, YYYaaa!!!

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we'll have a 'Snood'

A synod (also known as a council) is a council of a church, usually a Christian church, convened to decide an issue of doctrine, administration or application. An ecumenical council is so named because it is a synod of the whole church (or, more accurately, of what those who call it consider to be the whole church.)

The word comes from the Greek σύνοδος meaning "assembly" or "meeting", and it is synonymous with the Latin word concilium — "council". Originally synods were meetings of bishops, and the word is still used in that sense in Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy.

it's penance for missed pie questions.

on the nerf whip concession!

Submitted by CranesAreFlying on Fri, 11/14/2008 - 1:00am.
you can also get one of those "clergy" signs for when you're parked illegally whilst administering last rites or whatever
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Oh but there more perks. Women are especially victimized. There are some pastors that have women to cook their breakfast. I kid you not. They will have women to pick their robes up from the cleaners. Though they may not allow women to speak from the pulpit of the church, they will surely let them clean it. As a matter of fact, they may clean the whole church. Then! They can spend their hard earned money to pay his salary. Some pastors demand a new car! I kid you not!

Chrysler execs get millions to stay put
Automaker admits awkward timing as Detroit 3 seek bailout help

BY TOM WALSH and TIM HIGGINS • FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITERS • November 13, 2008

As Detroit's crumbling auto industry asks Congress for a bailout, Chrysler is in the awkward position of paying about $30 million in retention bonuses to keep top executives while the company cuts thousands of jobs.
Advertisement

Chrysler owes the bonuses under its contracts with about 50 executives, based on a retention incentive plan crafted early last year by former German parent DaimlerChrysler, when it was preparing to sell the Chrysler unit.

Nancy Rae, Chrysler executive vice president for human resources and communications, said the move made sense at the time to ensure potential buyers that key Chrysler executives would remain in place after a sale. She acknowledged that the bonuses could be seen as controversial now.

http://www.freep.com/article/20081113/BUSINESS01/311130001/1002

...but the line workers will probably be asked for something like a 30-40% "sacrifice"...

I swear I can hear the heavy lead in chords of "Volunteers" cranking up in the background

Submitted by gbasin on Fri, 11/14/2008 - 1:10am.
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Villagers steal Russian church — brick by brick
Dismantling, sale of building to local businessman a 'grave sin,' says priest

MOSCOW - Wanted: One missing Russian church. Last seen in July. Reward for its return. Orthodox officials in a central Russian region say an abandoned church building that was to be put back into use has been stolen by local villagers.

Orthodox priest Vitaly of the Ivanovo-Voskresenskaya diocese said officials last saw the two-story Church of Resurrection intact in late July. Sometime in early October, however, people from the nearby village of Komarovo, northeast of Moscow, dismantled the building, he said.

Villagers apparently sold it to a local businessman, one ruble (about 4 cents) per brick, Vitaly said. Orthodox priests use only one name.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27707400/

After a hearty breakfast, and a quick change of robes, I'll hop into my new Lexus SUV and head to my new church. I'll ask the Big Guy for a plague or something for GM CEO.

Can I get an " Ahem ", Hallelujah.

EEP, there's a punchline somewhere in there about how pastors are less interested in perks from women than from a certain other demographic of their parishes. But my humor is limited to the deadpan variety. Perhaps one of our resident wits can phrase it properly.....

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"I am A Great American Patriot !!!" - McCain Scroter
http://www.vodamusic.com/blog/

such profane thoughts, and a wilting Sex Pistols video to boot. You must atone for this.

PS did watching the vid remind you of Spinal Tap? It always does for me.

Bgurl thanks you for the laffs!

Dominoes Nabiscos!

love y'all!

because no one could know less about this than me and I don't know how one would Google it.

Would anyone ever dismount a horse with a drawn sword unless they were in extreme danger (or even if they were)? You would put your sword away right?

In other news, guess who's coming to my town tomorrow evening? Give up?

Fred Phelps.

They are putting on a play about Matthew Shepherd in this tiny (if old and stately and wedding-prone) little chapel on the University grounds, and apparently this merits WBC.

will be able to answer me later.

To a certain extent I guess. But if the singer in spinal tap was aware the whole thing was a ridiculous sham. That show in particular everything went wrong. The vocal monitors weren't working at all, you can see him banging his mic on the floor at one point.

Rotten had to bum a ride home from the States from Richard Branson.

You gotta cut them some slack though. They were really young. And they did alter the course of music history and all...

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"I am A Great American Patriot !!!" - McCain Scroter
http://www.vodamusic.com/blog/

Does Bush have the power to pardon everyone in his administration? Yes.

Will he abuse that power to stay out of jail? Only if we let him.

We must create a groundswell of opposition to any pardons by George Bush, so he understands that he will be impeached and prosecuted for issuing corrupt pardons.

Please help us launch a massive movement against pardons by signing our petition to Congress .

http://www.democrats.com/pardon

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Fox News Radio's Tom Sullivan aired "side-by-side comparison" of speeches by Hitler and Obama

http://mediamatters.org/items/200802130016

Summary: Fox News Radio host Tom Sullivan took a call from a listener who stated that when listening to Barack Obama speak, "it harkens back to when I was younger and I used to watch those deals with Hitler, how he would excite the crowd and they'd come to their feet and scream and yell." Sullivan then played a "side-by-side comparison" of a Hitler speech and an Obama speech. Sullivan mimicked the crowd during both speeches, yelling, "Yay! Yay!" When a later caller complained that Sullivan was "denigrating" Obama with the comparison, Sullivan said he wouldn't play it again, then begged: "Can I, please, one more time? Just one more time? Then I won't do it again. ... Until the next time."

On the February 11 broadcast of Fox News Radio's Tom Sullivan Show, host Tom Sullivan took a call from a listener who stated: "Listening to [Sen. Barack] Obama ... it harkens back to when I was younger and I used to watch those deals with [Nazi dictator Adolf] Hitler, how he would excite the crowd and they'd come to their feet and scream and yell." Sullivan replied: "Oh, yeah, yeah ... I presume you're not saying he's Hitler, but I understand your point." Following the commercial break, Sullivan stated the caller "wasn't calling Barack Obama Hitler. He was just talking about how Hitler got the crowd all excited, and Barack Obama got the crowd all excited." Sullivan then stated that he would do a "side-by-side comparison" of a Hitler speech and an Obama speech. Sullivan then introduced the "comparison" by stating: "So, ladies and gentlemen, from the past, a little archive, a little walk down Der Fuehrer's memory lane. Here he is, the one, the only, Adolf Hitler!" Sullivan proceeded to play a clip of a Hitler speech, followed by Obama's February 9 speech at the Jefferson-Jackson dinner in Richmond, Virginia. Sullivan mimicked the crowd during both speeches, yelling, "Yay! Yay!"

Following Sullivan's "comparison," a listener called in to say: "I resent the fact that you would compare -- I am a black man -- you would compare Barack Obama to Hitler, because we need leaders that can inspire us, to hope for the future. We need people like him." Sullivan replied: "I love his speech." The caller then asked: "Then why would you bring Hitler in on it?" Sullivan responded: "I didn't. The caller brought Hitler in on it. The caller said he sounds like Hitler." The upset caller responded: "Well, why would you even pick it up? It's denigrating his character." Sullivan replied: "No, it's not." Sullivan later stated: "Well, I understand that Hitler is hated by, and should be, by most everybody in civilized society. ... But the point being, you must remember something. Adolf Hitler was able to gather a country of people and get them excited about whatever it was that he was talking to them about. He was a very fiery, enigmatic -- I'm not sure -- I mean, he was -- I mean, he really got the people all thrilled, and I'm sitting there going,' I hadn't thought about him being associated in any way with Clint' -- and I asked the guy, I said, 'Are you saying that Obama is like Hitler?' And he said, 'No, it's the speaking style, that's all.' And the speaking style is actually kind of similar." Before Sullivan ended the segment, he stated: "All right, we won't play Hitler any more, then." But Sullivan then pleaded: "One time -- oh, come on, one more time? Can I, please, one more time? Just one more time? Then I won't do it again." He then added: "Until the next time."

According to his bio on FoxNews.com, Sullivan has "been a regular fill-in for the most listened to talk show in the world, The Rush Limbaugh Program, for a number of years" and "now anchors the 10AM-Noon (Eastern Time) show on the FOX Business Network."

Media Matters for America has previously documented numerous other examples of conservative media figures comparing progressives to Nazis. For example, on December 13, 2007, Fox News host Bill O'Reilly responded to guest Jane Hall's assertion that actor Tim Robbins, who was campaigning for John Edwards, made "valid" criticisms of the media by stating: "But [Nazi Foreign Minister Joachim] Von Ribbentrop in the Nazi hierarchy made valid points, Jane." O'Reilly has also claimed there is "no difference between" the Nazis and progressive blog Daily Kos. On January 11, nationally syndicated radio host Michael Savage declared that Media Matters is "run by a bunch of fascist homosexuals. They're the brownshirts of our time." In April 2007, Savage also called a speech by Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton "Hitler dialogue."

From the second hour of the February 11 broadcast of Fox News Radio's Tom Sullivan Show:

CALLER: Listening to Obama, and what I've seen on TV. I'm 65 years old, and it harkens back when I was younger and I used to watch those deals with Hitler, how he would excite the crowd and they'd come to their feet and scream and yell.

SULLIVAN: Oh yeah, yeah.

CALLER: And I don't think -- I can't think of any other politician that has excited them as much as he has.

SULLIVAN: He -- I presume you're not saying he's a Hitler, but I understand your point.

CALLER: Right. He's exciting the people, he's igniting them, and are they even thinking about what he's saying?

SULLIVAN: No. Because I'll tell you, if you listen to him, he sounds -- how can you argue with a guy who says he's for hope, he's for a great America, he's for a great country, we're great people. We can do anything we want, you can be anything you want.

CALLER: Yep, and he ain't telling them to get off their seats and go do it themselves.

SULLIVAN: I know -- well, we -- don't now -- don't ruin a good story with trying to get the details. No, I understand your point, [caller]. You're absolutely right. The details will have to come out. We'll be right back.

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SULLIVAN: For those of you who heard the call from the guy in Texas who said that Barack Obama reminds him of Hitler, well, I take up the challenge. You decide for yourself. Here is -- oh-oh, one minute, OK, we got -- we need -- I thought you were signaling that you were ready. We're putting -- we're finding -- we have had to go to our global resources now, to find out of our German file a speech or two from Der Fuehrer and find out -- I have no idea what he was saying in this speech, but we'll see. I wonder what -- if it sounds at all like -- I mean, he wasn't calling Barack Obama Hitler. He was just talking about how Hitler got the crowd all excited, and Barack Obama got the crowd all excited. Let's take a phone call and we'll come back and we'll see if we can do a little side-by-side comparison.

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SULLIVAN: But they certainly knew the Republicans were spending more than they possibly should have. Let's take a short break and come back. No, no, can we get this in now? OK. Before the break, a caller just before the bottom of the hour said that Barack Obama's speech reminds him of hearing the speeches of Adolf Hitler. So, ladies and gentlemen, from the past, a little archive, a little walk down Der Fuehrer's memory lane. Here he is, the one, the only, Adolf Hitler.

[audio clip of Hitler speech]

SULLIVAN: Yay! Yay! All right, great. I don't know what he said. Here's Barack Obama.

[audio clip of Obama speech]

SULLIVAN: Yay!

[audio clip of Hitler speech]

SULLIVAN: Yay!

[...]

SULLIVAN: Now we're getting -- now we're getting requests -- we're kind of like the Top 40 music station. We're getting requests for different speeches that were being played. Yes, just name your speech, and we will see if we can play it for you, the Top 40 speech.

[...]

SULLIVAN: Back to the phones we go. [Caller] in Columbus, Ohio. Hi, [caller]. How have you been?

CALLER: I am here. Thank you for the opportunity to be on the show.

SULLIVAN: You bet.

CALLER: I resent the fact that you would compare -- I am a black man --

SULLIVAN: Yes, sir.

CALLER: -- you would compare Barack Obama to Hitler, because we need leaders that can inspire us, to hope for the future. We need people like him.

SULLIVAN: I love the -- I love his speech. I told you I sat there and I went -- I'm going -- I'm listening to his speech --

CALLER: Why would you bring Hitler in on it?

SULLIVAN: I didn't. The caller brought Hitler in on it. The caller said he sounds like Hitler.

CALLER: Well, why would you even pick it up? It's denigrating his character.

SULLIVAN: No, it's not.

CALLER: Well, Hitler has nothing to do with what is right and honorable and what the country should be looking forward to. And I believe this, I believe that the intellect of Barack Obama is strong enough to bring in a cabinet and to surround himself with men who can -- can run -- help him run this country. No president has everything, all the knowledge needed, but his intellect to be able to bring men into his cabinet who can steer this country, is what it's all about, and I think he's got the intelligence to do it.

SULLIVAN: Who are you for?

CALLER: I -- actually, I happen to be a Republican because of my morals. But I believe that Barack Obama -- I don't like McCain, I really don't.

SULLIVAN: Yeah, you don't -- yeah.

CALLER: I don't like McCain, I really don't. But Barack Obama, I would vote for him because I believe that he has some level facts about his thinking, but I'm thinking that he would be a good president to inspire us for the future and equality for everybody.

SULLIVAN: Are you sure you're not a seminar caller? We had one a few minutes ago.

CALLER: No, I have not ever been on your show before.

SULLIVAN: We had -- no, we had a different caller, but I'm just going, are you guys all coming from the Barack Obama seminar on how to call talk shows and talk good about him?

CALLER: I am a truck driver running the road right now through Harrisburg, and I got a Sirius Radio that I was listening to. But I just said that I had to call because I resent the fact that you're picking up on that thing with Hitler.

SULLIVAN: Well, I understand that Hitler is hated by, and should be, by most everybody in civilized society.

CALLER: Yes, even you. Even you.

SULLIVAN: But the point being, you must remember something. Adolf Hitler was able to gather a country of people and get them excited about whatever it was that he was talking to them about. He was a very fiery, enigmatic -- I'm not sure -- I mean, he was -- I mean, he really got the people all thrilled, and I'm sitting there going, "I hadn't thought about him being associated in any way with Clint" -- and I asked the guy, I said, "Are you saying that Obama is like Hitler?" And he said, "No, it's the speaking style, that's all." And the speaking style is actually kind of similar.

CALLER: But part of being a good leader and a motivating leader is to be able to inspire people. That's part of being a good leader.

SULLIVAN: Yeah, Oh, yeah.

CALLER: -- denigrating because you have --

SULLIVAN: I think -- don't you think I've made a very good point of the difference between his leadership speaking style and Ms. Clinton's speaking style?

CALLER: Yeah, I think you do. If you had left Hitler out of it, you'd have had a perfect show.

SULLIVAN: All right, we won't play Hitler any more, then.

CALLER: Oh, I --

SULLIVAN: One time -- oh, come on, one more time? Can I, please, one more time? Just one more time? Then I won't do it again.

CALLER: Well, sure, but I think --

SULLIVAN: Until the next time.

CALLER: -- some in the audience that don't appreciate that --

SULLIVAN: All right, all right. I'll take your cautionary words in stride. I appreciate it, thanks, [caller]. Short break. We'll be right back.

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"The Once and Future Rajah of Bhong."

"It harkens back to when I was younger and I used to watch those deals with [Nazi dictator Adolf] Hitler, how he would excite the crowd and they'd come to their feet and scream and yell."

Geez. By those standards, the Beatles were actually worse than Hitler.

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"I am A Great American Patriot !!!" - McCain Scroter
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Submitted by Crank Bait on Fri, 11/14/2008 - 12:14am.

People are losing their jobs left and right. If Obama thinks that he can quit one job and walk right into another one, he's got another think coming!

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Yes, the cerebral Obama probably does have some thoughts on the matter.

long day for me. I hope you guys make it a great one.

Can't sleep...

My mother and daughter are each (separately) traveling.

God, I'm such a worrywart.

hi! Good morning!

Strange thing - when I click on Fernando's comment "First" over there, it says access denied...

Woke up early myself

with all this chatter?

That's strange.

My morning cappu

BRB

from Financial Times

Insurers pull cover from GM and Ford suppliers

Troubled US carmakers General Motors and Ford Motor have been given a potentially devastating vote of no confidence by three big European credit insurers, which have removed cover from their suppliers.

The withdrawal of credit insurance – which covered suppliers against the risk of the car companies’ failing – has previously hastened the demise of a string of European companies, with suppliers to retailers and construction companies finding cover increasingly hard to come by.

Pastor Haggard. His latest confession of being the target of sexual play at the age of seven is just terrible. Not sure how that makes his hypocrisy any more excusable.

i really had hoped that the day after election day would be the last we would see of the witch from alaska but that is not the case.

what strikes me as particularly offensive is her arrogance about her relationship with god. "god has a plan for me" "god will open the door for me" "god thinks it would be good if i lead the country"

all i want to know is that in a world of more than 6,000,000,000 people, what makes her think that god even knows who she is, let alone make her the center of his plan for all of us?

Messiah!

I want her to disappear! Stay in Alaska/

I think the Repub Govs wished the same thing.

as the church lady says, isn't that convenient. fits right in with the fundamentalist view that there is a homersexual agenda and that homersexuals are all pedophiles.

sorry, but i'm not buying whateve this lying sack of shit is selling.

(note to self: 3 cups of coffee might be too much)

true. These after the debacle testaments always sound like horse do do to me.

AIG to pay top management over $500 million
Chris in Paris · 11/14/2008 03:07:00 AM ET · Link
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Tell me again why we saved this company? It gets more expensive by the day and we will never make a profit let alone break even, especially with giveaways like this.
American International Group plans to pay out $503 million in deferred compensation to some of its top employees, saying it must tap the funds to keep valuable workers from exiting the troubled insurance giant.

News of the payments to top AIG talent comes as the federal government has just put more money into saving the company from bankruptcy, beefing up the total public commitment to $152 billion. Meanwhile, members of Congress are questioning the company's expenditures -- including lavish business trips to resorts -- during a time when taxpayers are on the hook for the bailout.

AIG's troubles stem from bad bets it made guaranteeing and buying risky mortgage investments. On Monday, the U.S. government announced that it would have to expand its rescue of the company to nearly double the $85 billion loan it first provided in September when AIG was unable to pay billions of dollars in claims.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/13/AR200811...

Sen. Norm Coleman (Minn.) called Sen. John Cornyn (Texas) Thursday afternoon and told him he was dropping out of the race for National Republican Senatorial Committee chairman to focus on the recount in his 206-vote win over Democratic challenger Al Franken. - RollCall

Illinois is having budget problems. 4 Bil in the Red.

It's bad when the food services won't deliver food to the Prisons.

Treasury rejects credit card debt, only Wall Street debt matters
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As much as I am against credit card debt, I'm fed up with the double standards of Paulson and Bush. There are plenty of Americans who pushed debt onto credit cards because they were struggling to keep up and put food on the table or heat their homes. In the eyes of the Republicans, tough luck. For Wall Street millionaires Paulson can't do enough to help them out including his sneaky tax breaks that have been part of the GOP agenda for decades. I'm still waiting to see blood ooze out of the pores of Wall Street superstars and quite frankly, I don't see it ever happening. They're total failures yet people like Paulson can't stop coddling them and stepping on everyone else to make sure their bank accounts are properly balanced and bonuses arrive on time.
Federal bank regulators have rejected a request by banks and consumer advocates for a program to let lenders forgive huge portions of credit card debt.

The Office of the Comptroller of the Currency rejected the request for a special program that would allow as much as 40 percent of credit card debt to be forgiven for consumers who don't qualify for existing repayment plans.

An unusual alliance of financial industry interests and consumer advocates, represented by the Financial Services Roundtable and the Consumer Federation of America, made the request to the Treasury Department agency on Oct. 29. It demonstrated the urgency of the situation in a deepening economic crisis: consumers — even those with strong credit records — defaulting at high levels on their credit cards, while banks battered by the credit crisis bleed tens of billions from the losses.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081113/ap_on_bi_ge/meltdown_credit_cards

excuse me, but isn't it the senior management that dug this enormous friggin hole that we are trying to fill with our taxpayer dollars? when is the public going to rise up and say enough is enough. these ceo's should be rotting in jails not taking cruises.

commenting about the diminishing prospects of helping out the auto industry (NYT):

Senator Christopher J. Dodd, Democrat of Connecticut and chairman of the banking committee, said he did not believe there would be enough Republican support to get the 60 votes needed to move a bill forward. “Right now, I don’t think there are the votes,” he said, adding that he personally favored aid for the automakers.

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whatever happened to the nooklear option that kept the dems in line for all those years and wouldn't now be a damn good time to do a test shot?

they need to get a bill on bush's desk. then if he vetoes it and they can't override it, everyone will know who to blame when the auto companies fail and we end up in a major depression.

Bush is out of office. And even then we have to push these Dems to do the right thing.

Wilbur Ross Says GM Bankruptcy Would Devastate Economy, Create a `Mess' Investor Wilbur Ross, who made billions turning around distressed steel and textile companies, said a Chapter 11 filing by General Motors Corp. or another U.S. automaker wouldn't work and might devastate the economy.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a4fkXMgMVIxM&refer=n...

I think he's right here...

It's not just GM but the steel makers, the parts makers, the Auto dealers, etc

How many people would be out of work?

U.S. Stock-Index Futures Decline; Wal-Mart, Exxon, ConocoPhillips Decline U.S. stock futures fell, indicating the Standard & Poor's 500 Index may pare yesterday's 6.9 percent rally, on concern the weakening economy will hurt earnings.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aurBiV.uOx8A&refer=n...

Cerberus Would Cede Profit From Future Chrysler Sale Under Auto Bailout Cerberus Capital Management LP, wading into the politics of a U.S. auto-industry bailout, would give up any profit on a future sale of Chrysler LLC should the company receive federal financial aid.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a.NioiQj4nnA&refer=n...

whats maddening is that the republicans are holding to their line that the key to the auto indusry bouncing back is to break the unions. i guess this is just more shock doctrine.

the worst part is that as unemployment goes up, the number of people available to buy things goes down and we end up in a death spiral until the government steps in and puts everyone back to work.

its interesting the past few days, hartmann has been debunking the myth that world war ii is what led us out of the depression. i'd always been taught that but he makes some persuasive arguments that its production and consumption that did it and that the depression really ended with the boom that started in the late 40's going into the 60's.

Illinois' fiscal storm
With economy in tatters, state faces multibillion-dollar deficit, officials say
By Ray Long | Tribune reporter
November 14, 2008
SPRINGFIELD — Gov. Rod Blagojevich and lawmakers took much of the year to come up with a shaky budget deal, and now it's falling apart as state revenues slip as a result of a tanking economy.

The administration is estimating the state will collect $800 million less in income and sales taxes than expected, but legislators fear it's much worse than that. And Comptroller Dan Hynes warned Thursday that the state's pile of unpaid bills is nearing $4 billion and could top $5 billion by early next year.

The leading Senate Democrat on budget matters summed up the situation:

"We're in trouble," said Sen. Donne Trotter of Chicago. Illinois is caught up in the global economic tailspin that could create a multibillion-dollar deficit, he said.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-state-budget-hole-14nov14,0...

however, there should be unions concessions that would remian until the compnay becomes profitable again. I don't see what good breaking the unions would do. And the upper management of these companies and CEOs have to make concessions also. And that has to be written into the bailout and the company has to be transparent and report to the government.

Everyone, including Doctors and Lawyers have to make concessions right now.

For the greater good!

Citigroup to cut at
least 10,000 jobs: report

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Citigroup is cutting at least 10,000 jobs in its investment bank and other divisions throughout the world, the Wall Street Journal said, citing people familiar with the matter.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081114/bs_nm/us_citigroup_jobcuts;_ylt=AhMN...

Aid to Mortgage Giants May Exceed Forecasts

The first of the Bush administration's major financial takeovers, the seizure of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, is poised to get more expensive and some analysts are warning it may ultimately cost more than the government has suggested.

Mounting troubles in the financial and housing markets have further undermined the health of the companies in the months since the government seized them in September, making it likely the Treasury will be required to pump billions of dollars into the mortgage-finance giants.

Though not a cent has been spent, some analysts are warning the tab could exceed the $200 billion that the government set aside for capital infusions into the two companies.

"Depending on what happens with housing, you could see scenarios where the $100 billion comes into the question," said Rajiv Setia, an analyst with Barclays Capital. He said McLean-based Freddie Mac may need $40 billion by the end of the year.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/13/AR200811...

from south carolina

SC priest: No communion for Obama supporters

COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — A South Carolina Roman Catholic priest has told his parishioners that they should refrain from receiving Holy Communion if they voted for Barack Obama because the Democratic president-elect supports abortion, and supporting him "constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil."

good morning bloggie buddies and fellow clergy

Happe Talk

you left out us heathens.

good morning.

That he also cannot receive communion because he hid the priests that abused the children.

No wafer for him either!!

Messiah!

I want her to disappear!

Hillary?

answering Dan's post.

Hey Hari Krishna
have you gotta dime
If your really hurting
a nickel will be fine

*Apologies to Mr.Zappa

Back when Nissan switched brand name from Datsun, I bought a Nissan. I have been driving a Nissan ever since. Right now, I have an SER Spec 5...six speed. I love this car for many reasons....it looks great and it can go fast as hell, if I want it to. However, the thing I have loved about my Nissans is the fact that each and every one I have owned has started up EVERY morning and performed without problems.

I had plenty of GM's, Fords and Chevs before that. Hell, I even had an Aero Willys once. (that was a disaster.) Every one of them was a crapbox.

I don't know what is going to happen to the Big Three but I know that I wouldn't buy one of them...for any reason. They lost me long ago with their lack of style and lack of performance.

There are a lot of other guys like me that hope they never have to drive an American car again.

The way things look right now...that is probably something not to worry about. The economy? Now, that's something else!

If we're all living under bridges....we won't be doing much driving in any kind of car.

computer.

Do we have any lawyers in the house? I have been slandered by the mother of a client and would like some advice.

email me at yahoo same nic.

Happe Talk

This writer has worn out several computers criticizing Senator Joe Lieberman, going back to the days when he was mounting a conservative-backed challenged to progressive Republican Senator Lowell Weicker. In 1988, Lieberman was a Democrat in good standing with a party that was willing to defeat one of the nation's leading liberals in order to secure a minimal partisan advantage.

Now, Lieberman is a free-floating independent -- having been reelected, after losing his 2006 Democratic primary, as the standard-bearer of an ego-trip party called "Connecticut for Lieberman" -- who caucuses with the Democrats.

On foreign-policy issues, Lieberman is more neo-con than the neo-cons. On economic policy, he is, like Indiana's Evan Bayh and a number of other senators, a Democratic Leadership Council corporatist with a slight sympathy for trade unionism. On social policy, he's a moderately liberal mainstream Democrat.

During the course of the 2008 presidential race, Lieberman chose to follow his neo-con instincts and back Republican John McCain, the Arizona senator with whom he shares a passion for a long-term U.S. presence in Iraq.

Lieberman's ridiculous appearance at last summer's Republican National Convention should have been sufficient punishment for the senator from Connecticut. After all, the man who was himself the Democratic nominee for vice president in 2000 had to try and find nice things to say about McCain's veep pick, the absurdly unqualified Sarah Palin.

But there are many Democrats who now propose to purge Lieberman from the party's Senate caucus -- a move that would strip him of committee assignments and the advantages that accrue to a senior senator serving with the protection of the majority party. The issue will come to a head in short order, as the new Senate majority determines whether to kick this particular senator out of the club.

Were I a senator, I'd oppose the purge.

It is not that I have any particular taste for Lieberman or his policies. I have interviewed the man a number of times and covered him in many settings and, frankly, he has always impressed me as a self-serving petty moralist who is a bit too bemused by himself -- and who is, of course, as consistently wrong on trade policy as Rahm Emanuel and as consistently wrong on Afghanistan as Barack Obama.

But it strikes me that purging members from caucuses never looks very good and never has the desired effect of achieving the ever-illusive goal of ideological purity.

As putrid as it has been on so many matters in recent years, the Senate Republican Caucus has actually understood this fact. In 2004, when Rhode Island Republican Senator Lincoln Chafee announced before the presidential election that he would not be voting to reelect George W. Bush, there was plenty of grumbling among conservatives. But Republican Senate leaders immediately made it clear that Chafee would not be punished; in fact, they maneuvered, unsuccessfully, to try and get the Rhode Islander reelected in 2006.

Republicans weren't so smart in the 1950s. After Oregon Republican Senator Wayne Morse announced before the 1952 presidential election that he would be voting for Democrat Adlai Stevenson -- the GOP caucus stripped Morse of his committee assignments and effectively forced him across the aisle to a Democratic caucus that Lyndon Johnson was slowly but surely turning into a political powerhouse. Morse was actually strengthened politically and won reelection as a Democrat in what had been a solidly Republican state.

Similarly, Republican attempts in the 1920s to purge insurgent senators -- after they split with the party to back the independent progressive presidential bid of Wisconsin's Robert M. La Follette -- did serious damage to the coherence of the GOP caucus in the Senate and ushered in an era when, despite significant majorities, the party had to struggle to maintain control of the chamber.

Lieberman is neither so principled nor so politically viable as Morse or the La Follette men of the 1920s. In fact, he is arguably less viable than Chafee after the 2004 election. This is likely to be the Connecticut senator's last term.

The question is whether he will serve it as a titular member of a Democratic caucus, which might benefit from his experience and his votes on some issues, or as a member of a Republican caucus that would be thrilled to have him.

My sense is that Democrats would be wiser to keep Lieberman in the Democratic circle for so long as he sides with the caucus on cloture votes. After all, if Al Franken prevails in the Minnesota recount and Jim Martin wins the Georgia run-off -- both serious prospects -- a Democratic caucus that includes Lieberman will have 59 Senate seats. And if Alaska's Nick Begich comes from behind as that state counts the last of its ballots -- a more remote prospect -- a Democratic caucus that includes Lieberman will have the 60 seats needed to block a Republican filibuster.

Without Lieberman, it is tough to see how Democrats get to the filibuster-proof position that is the last piece of the puzzle of a governing majority. (It is the matter of the governing majority, not any love of Lieberman, that explains the signal from President-elect Barack Obama's transition team that: "We'd be happy to have Sen. Lieberman caucus with the Democrats. We don't hold any grudges.")

If Democrats did somehow get to 60 in the Senate, and if Lieberman then betrayed the party on a critical vote, that would be the point at which to debate expelling him from the caucus.

At this point, the discussion sounds more like venting than smart, or serious, politics.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat/383151/keep_lieberman_in_the_cauc...

Happe Talk

The naked leading the Blind:
RALEIGH, N.C. — Two-time presidential candidate John Edwards is continuing his return to the public stage by debating Republican strategist Karl Rove.

The Commercial Finance Association said the two will hold a point-counterpoint discussion Thursday in San Francisco. They will discuss the election and the economy.

It will be Edwards' second public event since he acknowledged in August that he had an affair back in 2006. His appearance in Indiana on Tuesday did not address the matter.

Thursday's meeting puts an odd and perhaps contentious pair on the same stage. During his presidential campaign, Edwards repeatedly called for President Bush to fire Rove.

When Rove resigned from the White House in 2007, Edwards issued a simple statement, saying "Goodbye, good riddance."

http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/3950823http://www.wral.com/news/sta...

Don't Get It
Secretaries of State don't usually last more than a single presidential term. And sometimes they don't make it that long. So, for the life of me, I do not understand why Hillary Clinton would want to give up what is in all likelihood a senate seat for life to run the State Department for Barack Obama.

Late Update: This post, not surprisingly, has generated a big response. And a few of you have suggested that this is a way for Hillary to angle for another shot at the presidency in 2012 or 2016. But that strikes me as deeply, deeply improbable. Never an easy thing to challenge a sitting president of your own party, next to impossible to do it from his own cabinet. I don't have an answer on why either party would want this appointment. But that ain't the reason.

--Josh Marshall

Obama Switching Weekly Dem Address From Radio To YouTube
Barack Obama today will record the weekly Democratic address on video, to be posted on YouTube -- a first for this mode of party communication. Obama's transition office has announced that he will continue to record the weekly address as online video during his presidency, with the audio track also released for radio uses as has been done before.

You've never ridden a horse with a drawn sword in your hand? I wouldn't have believed it of you. ;)

Submitted by dan on Fri, 11/14/2008 - 9:04am.
you left out us heathens.
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I don't think that I've ever even seen a heath and yet I am a dweller therein. Or thereout.

http://www.answers.com/topic/heathen

Word Origins: heathen

from Gothic
This word originated in Bulgaria

The woman was an outsider. She was a Greek, born in Syrian Phoenicia, definitely not one of the Jews to whom Jesus had been ministering. Chapter 7 of the Book of Mark tells us that Jesus met her when he went up the Mediterranean coast to the vicinity of Tyre and Sidon. There this woman asked Jesus to drive out a demon in her daughter. He hesitated to heal anyone other than his own people, saying rather harshly, "Let the children first be fed, for it is not right to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs." But the foreign woman had a ready answer: "Even the dogs under the table eat the children's crumbs." That was enough. "For this saying you may go your way; the demon has left your daughter," said Jesus, and it was so.

Three centuries later, when Bishop Wulfilas of the Visigoths was translating this story into his native tongue, he described the woman's otherness by saying she was haithno, our heathen. This may just have been to say she was figuratively living on the heath, out in the countryside away from the community. But apparently thanks to Wulfilas's choice of words, the religious meaning of heathen as "outside the faith" spread to the other Germanic languages, including English, as they changed their allegiance from heathen to Christian. The word appears in English sermons written as long ago as the year 971...
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http://www.answers.com/topic/heath

heath
n.
2.) An extensive tract of uncultivated open land covered with herbage and low shrubs; a moor.
[Middle English, uncultivated land, from Old English hǣth.]

(Reuters) - Sun Microsystems Inc said on Friday it would cut 5,000 to 6,000 jobs. Highlights:

* Aligns business with global economic climate and amplifies growth

opportunities across open source platforms

* Says job cuts represents about 15 to 18 percent of the global workforce

* Says expects to incur total charges in the range of $500 to $600 million over

the next twelve months

* Says about $375 to $450 million of charges will be incurred within its

current fiscal year 2009

* Says expects to begin realizing cost savings in Q3

* Says rich green, executive VP of software, has chosen to leave the company

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE4AD3M320081114

Moreover, any Moores are more likely to be Christian, even Mor-mon, than Heathen or Moorish, anymore.

BEIJING: Microsoft Corp said Thursday it plans to spend one billion dollars on research and development in China, suggesting a continued focus on
the country's huge market, despite the global financial downturn.

"Our investment in research and development in China over the next three years will exceed one billion dollars," said Zhang Yaqin, chairman of the company's China research and development group.

The investment would "greatly boost information technology innovation in Microsoft and China," he told reporters in Beijing.

"The one billion dollar investment over the three years is new investment which will focus on human resources and other resources linked to research and development," he said.

He said the investment did not include money spent on mergers and acquisitions, suggesting Microsoft's investments in China could actually be even larger over the next three years.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Infotech/ITeS/Microsoft_plans_to_inv...

AKTAU, Kazakhstan, Nov. 13 (UPI) -- The United States and Kazakhstan have completed a new facility to dispose of nuclear material in a multiyear plan to counter nuclear proliferation.

Leaders from the U.S. State Department and Kazakhstan announced the completed construction of a sodium processing facility in Aktau, Kazakhstan. Officials say the new facility is designed for disposing of coolant material from the core of a Soviet-era BN-350 fast breeder reactor, the State Department reported.

The processing plant is part of an effort to decommission the former Soviet nuclear facility and strengthen measures to prevent nuclear proliferation. "This (facility) demonstrates and reinforces the strength of the United States-Kazakhstani strategic relationship, and our joint commitment to preventing the proliferation of nuclear materials," the release said.

The sodium processing facility was constructed using money from the State Department's Non-proliferation and Disarmament Fund. Officials say experts from the U.S. Department of Energy, Kazakhstan and the United Kingdom, among others, collaborated on the project.

http://www.metimes.com/Security/2008/11/13/new_facility_to_dispose_of_nu...

It's Friday!!

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~ kin 10 ~

PERFECT in order to LOVE,
PRODUCING LOYALTY
seal the PROCESS of HEART
with the PLANETARY tone of MANIFESTATION.
guided by the power of ENDLESSNESS.

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Carpets are being pulled out of my house on account of them being in tatters.

Wow is it dusty UNDER the carpet pad. GROSS.

Gloryoski - I'm riding sword in hand right now!
and I'm screaming ONWARD THROUGH THE FOG!!!

I rarely see it spelled correctly...anywhere.

screws to get rid of those pesky floor squeaks if you have any.

Submitted by cent on Fri, 11/14/2008 - 10:39am.
Moreover, any Moores are more likely to be Christian, even Mor-mon, than Heathen, anymore.
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If I believed in such things, I'd say that you are channeling dr.

Now is the time to sit down before I fall down. I'm sorry to say my manual labor days have long passed.

Sarkozy to Putin: ‘Do you want to end up like Bush?’By Matt Duss at 9:45 am Sarkozy to Putin: ‘Do you want to end up like Bush?’»
The London Times’ Charles Bremner has identified one positive aspect of President Bush’s foreign policy legacy:

With Russian tanks only 30 miles from Tbilisi on August 12, Mr. Sarkozy told Mr. Putin that the world would not accept the overthrow of Georgia’s Government. According to [Sarkozy’s chief diplomatic adviser, Jean-David] Levitte, the Russian seemed unconcerned by international reaction. “I am going to hang Saakashvili by the balls,” Mr. Putin declared.

Mr. Sarkozy thought he had misheard. “Hang him?” — he asked. “Why not?” Mr. Putin replied. “The Americans hanged Saddam Hussein.”

Mr. Sarkozy, using the familiar tu, tried to reason with him: “Yes but do you want to end up like [President] Bush?” Mr. Putin was briefly lost for words, then said: “Ah — you have scored a point there.”

Fear of “ending up like Bush” now functions as a deterrent.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/14/bush-putin-sarkozy/

Update Glenn Greenwald has more.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/11/14/putin/index.html

Obama and McCain to meet on Monday.»
John McCain will meet with Barack Obama on Monday in Chicago. A statement from Obama’s transition office explains: “It’s well known that they share an important belief that Americans want and deserve a more effective and efficient government, and will discuss ways to work together to make that a reality. They will be joined in the meeting by Senator Lindsey Graham and Congressman Rahm Emanuel.” Jake Tapper reports, “Graham and Emanuel worked well together on negotiating the presidential debates.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/14/obama-and-mccain-to-meet-on-monday/

not hard for me; the italian word is diarrea, i just have to remember to add an H

Nando, now is the time to grab a screw gun and a box of
Submitted by cent on Fri, 11/14/2008 - 11:21am.
screws to get rid of those pesky floor squeaks if you have any.
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...and to scatter some diatomaceous earth in strategic places.

Some Republican governors were not happy about yesterday’s Palin-centric press conference, at the Republican Governors Association. “One called it awkward,” CNN reports, while another described the event as “odd” and “weird,” and said it “unfortunately sent a message that she was the de facto leader of the party.”

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/13/gop-governors-unhappy-wi...

Yesterday, Rahm Emanuel – the incoming White House chief of staff – apologized for his father’s remarks against Arabs. Emanuel called Mary Rose Oakar, President of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, to apologize on behalf of his family and offered to meet with representatives of the Arab-American community at an appropriate time in the future.

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2008/11/13/why-no-one-cares-about-rahm...

“The number of U.S. workers drawing jobless benefits hit a 25-year high this month.” The Labor Department said jobless claims rose “by an unexpectedly steep 32,000 last week to 516,000, the highest since the weeks following the September 11, 2001 attacks.”

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE4AC40B20081113

Is DIARRHEA one of the hardest to spell words?
Submitted by Regnad Kcin on Fri, 11/14/2008 - 11:20am.
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Probably. Along with hemorrhagic.

(If you can correctly spell hemorrhagic on the first try, you are probably a hemorrhoid.)

I may occasionally have brief flashes of inspired wit and clarity, but I could never keep up with you or dr....

My brain is in the same shape Fernando's body is....the "heavy lifting" days are behind me...

I knew it didn't look right, but there's no spell check in the subject line.

Sorry to be a much bigger slacker than Obama.

Foreclosures in October rose 25 percent from last year, according to RealtyTrac, meaning “one in every 452 U.S. housing units received a foreclosure filing” last month. Meanwhile, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. released a plan to prevent 1.5 million foreclosures “by offering financial incentives to companies that agree to sharply reduce monthly payments on mortgage loans.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/13/AR200811...

Do you actually get paid to do lexicography?

Do you have a steady job at a dictionary/reference company or just freelance?

Location Location Location...

"in 'artford 'ereford and 'ampshire, 'urricanes 'ardly hever 'appen..." Eliza Doolittle

What is happening to our country? I had just dropped off my children and was on my way to work, listening to KBEQ Q104.3, and they had this british accent sounding comedian on there and he was repeating Obama's acceptance speech and talking about the reference to the 106 year old woman. Then he laughs "she'll probably not live long enough to see him assassinated."

They laugh.

He goes "What? I thought it was funny..."

They laugh some more, he continues his act, I switch channels..

I feel sick. Have ever since...

PhRMA, the nation’s largest pharmaceutical lobbying group, “is preparing a multimillion-dollar public relations campaign to tout the importance of free-market health care and undercut an expected push by the Obama administration for price controls of prescription drugs.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/nov/14/drugmaker-ads-to-target-...

Pawlenty Rips McCain’s Use Of Joe The Plumber: ‘Throwing Out A Symbol Is Not Enough’»
During the last weeks of the campaign, “Joe the Plumber” made a splash as Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) most famous surrogate. “Joe’s the man!” McCain said. Yglesias refers to Joe Wurzelbacher as the campaign’s “most annoying legacy.”

Interviewed on NPR today, however, Gov. Tim Pawlenty (R-MN) — a former top McCain surrogate and VP contender — criticized how McCain relied on Joe the Plumber as a “symbol” with no sustance behind it. Pawlenty said that simply “throwing out” the “icon” of Joe the Plumber, as McCain did, was “not enough”:

MONTAGNE: Well it, certainly, during this past election, made an attempt to reach out, I would think, to that group, with the now famous character, really, Joe the Plumber. How would you see that happening if the attempt has been made and it didn’t — didn’t really work.

PAWLENTY: Well, I don’t think the attempt was made very well. I think just because you bring up the name Joe the Plumber — while people view that as a symbol — but what does that mean, in terms of what Republicans can do to make my health care more affordable, my — filling up my car more affordable? I think just throwing out a symbol or an icon is not enough.

Sure enough, hours later, in her first press conference since Tuesday’s election, Gov. Sarah Palin enthusiastically brought up Joe the Plumber. “Folks like Joe the Plumber, yes, who spoke for so many,” she said. “People who he was speaking for felt kinda comforted.” Palin then also reminisced about Tito the Builder. Watch it: at link

While Pawlenty criticized the use of Wurzelbacher today, he enthusiastically referenced Joe the Plumber during the campaign as a means to criticize Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL).

When the Obama campaign criticized McCain’s use of Joe the Plumber, Palin responded with anger. “Why the heck are you going after Joe The Plumber? … He wants to be something else. Why is that so wrong?” We await Palin’s condemnation of Pawlenty.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/13/pawlenty-mccain-joe/

Obama to Pay Bonuses to Campaign Staff
Sen. Barack Obama "ended his campaign so flush with cash he's telling staffers to keep the change -- and then some," according to the New York Daily News.

"Long-suffering political footsoldiers who toiled tirelessly, at least since September, to put Obama in the White House recently learned they will be getting extra paychecks worth a month's salary."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/11/14/2008-11-14_barack_ob...

of the coming depression....

Depression Economics Returns

By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: November 14, 2008

The economic news, in case you haven’t noticed, keeps getting worse. Bad as it is, however, I don’t expect another Great Depression. In fact, we probably won’t see the unemployment rate match its post-Depression peak of 10.7 percent, reached in 1982 (although I wish I was sure about that).

We are already, however, well into the realm of what I call depression economics. By that I mean a state of affairs like that of the 1930s in which the usual tools of economic policy — above all, the Federal Reserve’s ability to pump up the economy by cutting interest rates — have lost all traction. When depression economics prevails, the usual rules of economic policy no longer apply: virtue becomes vice, caution is risky and prudence is folly.

[...]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/14/opinion/14krugman.html?_r=1&oref=slogi...

I guess the old adage applies..."When the going gets tough, the tough go shopping." This might explain why Paulson is bailing out the consumer credit market.

Hey, he's the one with the Nobel Prize......so I will definitely take his word for it.

I'd love to hear a lecture these days.

The election is over, McCain thankfully lost yet not all elections are over. Why is Mr Maverick campaigning for Chambliss? There is absolutely nothing to gain for McCain at this point as McCain's politicial career is over, so why is this man who is supposedly so full of integrity campaigning for a POS like Chambliss?

Stewart had Bill O'Riley on.

He said he was an anarchist, power to the people.

the ayers interview on good morning america (with video) he did a great job!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/14/ayers-on-gma-gop-used-dis_n_143...

they have videos in two parts

no, I didn't post about Ayers yet.

He was on Democracy Now this AM with his wife. They will be on again on Monday.

Recused US Attorney Kept Advising Siegelman Prosecutors, New Docs Show
By Zachary Roth - November 14, 2008, 10:46AM
New documents relating to the prosecution of former Alabama governor Don Siegelman suggest misconduct by the US attorney in the case, and appear to contradict previous statements from the Department of Justice about the matter.

The new revelations, reported by Time, are contained in a letter sent last week by House Judiciary chair John Conyers to Attorney General Michael Mukasey, based on information provided to the committee by a legal aide in the US Attorney's office in Alabama. That information includes emails written by the US Attorney, Leura Canary, showing that she continued to advise prosecutors on the case even after having recused herself because her husband was a top Alabama GOP operative who had worked closely with Karl Rove.

Here's the key excerpt from Time:

In one of Canary's e-mails, dated September 19, 2005, she forwards senior prosecutors on the Siegelman case a three-page political commentary by Siegelman. Canary highlighted a single passage which, she told her subordinates, "Ya'll need to read, because he refers to a 'survey' which allegedly shows that 67% of Alabamans believe the investigation of him to be politically motivated." Canary then suggests: "Perhaps [this is] grounds not to let [Siegelman] discuss court activities in the media!"

Prosecutors in the case seem to have followed Canary's advice. A few months later they petitioned the court to prevent Siegelman from arguing that politics had any bearing on the case against him. After trial, they persuaded the judge to use Siegelman's public statements about political bias -- like the one Canary had flagged in her e-mail -- as grounds for increasing his prison sentence. The judge's action is now one target of next month's appeal.

When Conyers' committee investigated the Siegelman matter earlier this year, DOJ had said that Canary's 2002 recusal had come "before any significant decisions ... were made."

DOJ has already conducted its own inquiry into some of the claims contained in the letter sent by Conyers, and produced a report dismissing them as inconsequential.

Siegelman's supporters and congressional Democrats have long raised suspicions that DOJ's prosecution of Siegelman, a red-state Democrat, was an example of the inappropriate politicization of the department.

Siegelman's appeal of his conviction is set to begin next month in a federal court in Atlanta.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/11/recused_us_attorney_ke...

thread.

http://www.samsedershow.com/node/4076#comment-281606

Wait. Let me get this straight. The tide has shifted? Liberals are the majority, the ones in power, and Conservatives are the terrorists, the anarchists, the rebels, and potential assassins?

The dollar worth nothing, the market tanking, everyone losing jobs.

I think the world has definitely turned upside down on us.

Either that or somebody broke a mirror.

Rarely does someone write something that literally takes the ALL of the words right out of my mouth...but this piece did...I had to make sure I didn't write it while I was sleepwalking. :)

And, it was from a commenter, not a blogger, but John thought it was good enough to make a blog post. I really like John Aravosis' objectivity in presenting this because he has been railing against Lieberman lately. Not that he doesn't deserve it, of course, but I get suspicious of too much passion where there should be some pragmatism.

A contrary view on Lieberman

"Reader MG offers a contrary, but well argued, view on Joe Lieberman:

If we have to placate an asshole like Lieberman to get that agenda through, so be it. I'm ultimately for making the change happen even if it means holding my nose. In the end the Democrats will demonstrate backbone, spine, whatever you want to call it, by being savvy and getting things done. If you remember, there was a lot of talk among us that Obama was not fighting back, he didn't stand up to the Republican smears, no backbone, etc. Well, he won by being way smarter than us and them. And I think we have to let Obama do his thing, and so far he has shown himself to be extraordinary at what he does. If he wants Lieberman, I'm with him."

When transferring power from a functional, trustworthy regime, everyone favors a smooth transition. When exiting an era marked by criminality and bankrupt ideology, a little rockiness at the start would be a very good sign.

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The more details emerge, the clearer it becomes that Washington's handling of the Wall Street bailout is not merely incompetent. It is borderline criminal.

In a moment of high panic in late September, the U.S. Treasury unilaterally pushed through a radical change in how bank mergers are taxed -- a change long sought by the industry. Despite the fact that this move will deprive the government of as much as $140 billion in tax revenue, lawmakers found out only after the fact. According to the Washington Post, more than a dozen tax attorneys agree that "Treasury had no authority to issue the [tax change] notice."

Of equally dubious legality are the equity deals Treasury has negotiated with many of the country's banks. According to Congressman Barney Frank, one of the architects of the legislation that enables the deals, "Any use of these funds for any purpose other than lending -- for bonuses, for severance pay, for dividends, for acquisitions of other institutions, etc. -- is a violation of the act." Yet this is exactly how the funds are being used.

Then there is the nearly $2 trillion the Federal Reserve has handed out in emergency loans. Incredibly, the Fed will not reveal which corporations have received these loans or what it has accepted as collateral. Bloomberg News believes that this secrecy violates the law and has filed a federal suit demanding full disclosure.

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Many have noted with a certain irony that Californians voted to grant more rights to chickens, and then voted to take rights away from humans.

http://www.samsedershow.com/node/4073#comment-281561

I am a pragmatist too. Use the fucking ass hole.

Happe Talk

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http://samsedershow.com/node/4076

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