LIve at 3pm Maron V Seder with special guest!

Sam & Marc !

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

:( I can't play...

Didnt go thru the last time.

Reality. TV. Two more reasons to read.

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

Mark Buse

John McCain's Chief of Staff outed, wins Roy Cohn Award - Mike Rogers

when youre so fucked up that you cant get the capcha right...

Melina
www.RIPCoco.com
www.BrilliantatBreakfast.blogspot.com
www.SweetJesusIHateChrisMatthews.blogspot.com

when youre so fucked up that you cant get the capcha right...

Melina
www.RIPCoco.com
www.BrilliantatBreakfast.blogspot.com
www.SweetJesusIHateChrisMatthews.blogspot.com

Special guest is Janeane!!

Good to see her.

Very Cool !

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

I had problems with the capcha also. Took me 4-5 tries.

It's the shadow letters. You don't know whether to add them in the box.

;)

Reality. TV. Two more reasons to read.

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

sorry

Double post sorry

nobody loves her as much as I :(

Obama pledges deep cuts in spending to fix economy

GREEN BAY, Wis. (AP) - Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama moved to claim the mantle of fiscal responsibility in a roiling economy, vowing on Monday to slash federal spending on contractors by 10 percent and saving $40 billion.

Urging members of his own party to be just as fiscally tough as the most conservative Republicans, Obama said the $700 billion economic bailout plan proposed by the Bush administration and congressional leaders is forcing a renewed look at federal spending.

As president, Obama said he would create a White House team headed by a chief performance officer to monitor the efficiency of government spending.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/7817793

That movie is Hilarious!

Unlike Hank Paulson.

Anytime the Bush Administration is trying to rush something through shouldn't people know by now that it requires scrutiny?

sign up on the thread top.

avoids the capcha BS.

Dalai Lama Bronze Medal

Bronze duplicate of Congressional Gold Medal

http://www.usmint.gov/pressroom/index.cfm?action=Photo#2009LincolnOneCen...

Public Law: 109-287

Obverse
Designer: Don Everhart
Engraver: Don Everhart
Description: The obverse design depicts a portrait of the Dalai Lama with the Himalayan Mountains of Tibet in the background. Three inscriptions accompany the portrait: "Tenzin Gyatso" is inscribed on the upper left just above the mountains, "14th Dalai Lama of Tibet" adorns the top edge, and "Act of Congress 2006" appears to the left of the Dalai Lama's hands.

Reverse
Designer: Joseph Menna
Engraver: Joseph Menna
Description: The reverse design features a stylized lotus flower, considered to be a symbol of purity. The inscriptions include quoted remarks of the 14th Dalai Lama: "World peace must develop from inner peace. Peace is not the absence of violence. Peace is the manifestation of human compassion."

Obverse: [Hi-Res Image : 2.3 MB]

Reverse: [Hi-Res Image : 2.2 MB]

You Broke It, You Bought It
TPMCaféers Jared Bernstein, Dean Baker and Dr. C.A. Rotwang weigh in on the bailout. In Bernstein's words: Take a breath, Congress, and start negotiating a better plan.

--Lila Shapiro

Jared Bernstein:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/22/now_just_hold_on_hank_2/

Dean Baker:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/21/no_one_believes_henry_pa...

Dr. Rotwang:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/21/gop_you_broke_it_you_bou...

why this blog is double posting now?

The opening was superbly choreographed. To the sound of thundering rock music blaring from speakers, several thousand people watched as John McCain's campaign plane swooped out of the sparkling blue Iowa skies.

Then things started to go wrong. 'Thank you so much, Iowa. It's great to be here in Grand Rapids,' Palin said as she took the stage, naming a completely different city in the far-off state of Michigan. 'CEDAR Rapids!' - GuardianUK

I've given up on IMing .

Sam has ignored my repeated requests to be included...

I guess felons just aren't good enough?

Stocks fall on bailout uncertainty, oil surge

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Stocks fell on Monday as a spike in oil prices renewed fear about consumer spending and investors worried whether a $700 billion rescue package for the financial sector would be enough to resuscitate the economy.

Oil rose 12 percent -- the biggest jump in 10 years -- to $117.28, extending a rally sparked by Friday's announcement of the banking rescue plan and a fall in the dollar.
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL267843520080922

White House warns Iran on nuclear inaction
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NEW YORK (Reuters) - The White House on Monday expressed concern about Iran's lack of cooperation with the U.N. nuclear watchdog and said Tehran must provide "substantial information and access" to the agency.

got the im address?

someone pleas IM and ask Janeane to get closer to the mic?

Submitted by Chubby Bubba on Mon, 09/22/2008 - 1:32pm.
...it is probably just a coincidence that McVoteBoy,POT97 and a few others through the years have all had exactly the same world view, writing style, and grammatical/spelling errors...
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Yes, each of them is an astounding coincidence.

It is also an astounding coincidence that each iteration du jour has responded when I addressed War Dog, albeit with a disclaimer stating that he is not "this War Dog fellow."

When someone lies, they tend to go a touch overboard by using odd language. None of the Not-War-Dogs refer to War Dog as War Dog. He is always referred to as a displaced "this" War Dog or "that" War Dog or "the War Dog fellow."

The idiotic lying logic works like this: "War Dog can't be me because I never refer to him in a familiar manner."

Then things started to go wrong. 'Thank you so much, Iowa. It's great to be here in Grand Rapids,' Palin said as she took the stage, naming a completely different city in the far-off state of Michigan. 'CEDAR Rapids!' - GuardianUK

She doesn't even know what town she's in, let alone State!

Sederville, Sam, Marc, Janeanne

For Sam: samsedershow He uses AIM

Marc: MMARON He also uses AIM

NAPO Endorses Obama
Posted by KYLE TRYGSTAD | E-Mail This | Permalink | Email Author
The National Association of Police Organizations endorsed Barack Obama today. On a conference call with reporters, NAPO president Tom Nee pledged the support of more than 287,000 police officers and 2,000 police organizations from around the country.

Joining Nee on the call was vice presidential nominee Joe Biden, who guaranteed Nee that an Obama administration would seek NAPO's input on any crime bills and promised to increase federal support. "We are going to re-establish the Crime Bill," Biden said. "We are going to put another 50,000 cops on the street. We are going to provide the kind of technological help you guys need."

NAPO endorsed the FISA bill that passed through Congress in July. Obama also supported the bill after opposing an earlier version of it. The move upset many of Obama's progressive supporters, though likely helped win the support of groups like NAPO.

http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/09/napo_endorses_obama.htm...

has it figured.

smart lady

US denies helicopter incursion into Pakistan

US denies helicopter incursion after report that Pakistani troops opened fire

ISHTIAQ MAHSUD
AP News

Sep 22, 2008 13:09 EST

Pakistani troops and tribesmen opened fire on two U.S. helicopters that crossed into the country from neighboring Afghanistan, intelligence officials said Monday. The U.S. denied the report.

The helicopters did not return fire and re-entered Afghan airspace without landing, the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to media.

"There was no such incursion, there was no such event," said Col. Gary L. Keck, Defense Department spokesman.

The reported incursion late Sunday will likely add to tensions between Islamabad and Washington.

A spate of suspected U.S. missile strikes into Pakistan's border region and a raid by U.S. commandos said to have killed 15 people have angered and embarrassed Pakistani leaders while signaling Washington's impatience with Pakistani efforts to clear out militant havens.

During a recent speech to Parliament, newly elected President Asif Ali Zardari, who is considered U.S.-friendly, warned that no country would be allowed to violate Pakistan's sovereignty in the name of the war on terror.

Zardari is on his way to New York to attend the U.N. General Assembly, and he is expected to meet President Bush.

The two intelligence officials said informants in the field told them the incursion was about a mile inside the disputed and poorly demarcated border in the Alwara Mandi area in North Waziristan, a tribal region the U.S. considers a sanctuary for Taliban and al-Qaida fighters.

A week ago, U.S. helicopters reportedly landed near Angoor Ada, a border village in nearby South Waziristan, but returned toward Afghanistan after troops fired warning shots.

A Pakistani military spokesman said last week that troops had orders to open fire in case of another cross-border raid by foreign troops.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/09/us_denies_helicopter_incursion...

Keeping Track
Krugman says Dodd's plan is "a big step in the right direction."

--Josh Marshall

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/dodd/

Sarah Palin's Creationism Will Rape the Environment

Ed Kalnins is Sarah Palin's former pastor at the Wasilla Assembly of God Church which she attended for 26 years. He sees powerful signs that the end of the world is drawing nigh and assured a London Times reporter that Biblical scripture specifically mentions shortages of oil and wars for its control. When the end comes, he expects to be "raptured" with other righteous Christians and spared the suffering of those of us who will be left behind. He believes the apocalyptic destruction of our planet will happen in his own lifetime; in fact, that is exactly the future he hopes for.

The Carbon Queen

Even in Alaska, known oil reserves are dropping. Nonetheless, Palin is determined above all else to keep the current flow of energy moving, explore and develop new oil fields, and ramp up natural gas and coal production. She gave special permission to Chevron to triple the toxic waste it can pour into the waters of the Cook Inlet, despite scientific research concluding that the Beluga whale population there is endangered. She has refused to pressure Exxon to pay-up for damages caused by the infamous Exxon-Valdez oil spill. She has supported virtually every mining proposal that has landed on her desk, including one for a vast gold mine in the Bristol Bay watershed that would risk the world's largest run of sockeye salmon. She favors open-cast mining for coal in the pristine Brooks Range. She has refused to enhance safety measures for trans-Pacific shipping along the Alaskan coast. All that and she's been governor for barely two years!
http://www.alternet.org/election08/99714/sarah_palin%27s_creationism_wil...

>>>>writing style, and grammatical/spelling errors...
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>>Yes, each of them is an astounding coincidence.

I remember back in the day when we could change our nics at whim. More than a few of us had alter identities, usually for posting `faux-troll' POV for humorous affect.

anyway, it was a lot of work for me try break my stylistic habits...Overuse of elipses (...), double dashes instead of colons ( -- ) and the `thing' I do to denote common phrases, etc. ( `[fill in the blank]' ).

even that isn't enough to mask a person's style.

Oil spikes $25 a barrel on anxiety over US bailout

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Oil prices spiked more than $25 a barrel Monday — the biggest one-day price jump ever — as anxiety over the government's $700 billion bailout plan, a weak dollar and an expiring crude contract ignited a dramatic rally.

http://news.yahoo.com/story/ap/20080922/ap_on_bi_ge/oil_prices;_ylt=Ap6P...

buy buy buy sell sell sell

I think it was Wednesday night - pretty funny but that twat who hosts it cut him off just when he was about to launch into a rant. When was that recorded.

« Back to the grid | Next story »
Conservative Pundits Rail Against Bailout
Posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago in Politics, Business
(Newser) – The Bush administration’s $700 billion financial bailout plan seems destined to make it through Congress, but even conservative pundits are bashing the desperate move:

If a Democratic administration were proposing this plan, a Republican Congress would shoot it down, writes Newt Gingrich in the National Review. "Congress was designed by the Founding Fathers to move slowly, precisely to avoid the sudden panic of a one-week solution that becomes a 20-year mess."

William Kristol, in the New York Times, says the experts he’s consulted don’t believe Hank Paulson “has even the basics right.”
The rush to bailout bears striking similarities to the rush into the Iraq war, writes Dennis Dale in the American Conservative. Now as then, vast expansions of power are being rushed through, and “questioning the consensus is all but forbidden.”

http://www.newser.com/story/38080/conservative-pundits-rail-against-bail...

Professor Cole summarizes his bewilderment with Yanks. Read it all if you have the time.
http://www.juancole.com/

Let's get this straight.

The Republican Party came to Washington, DC, in 2000 with a solid majority in both houses of Congress and on the Supreme Court, allowing them to steal the presidency, as well. If you wanted to know what a pure Republican-Party government unhindered by the Democrats, Libertarians, Greens or Socialists might look like, this was the moment....
This scam goes beyond Marx's fear that government in a business society was just a "managing committee" for the business classes. Tom Delay, from 2002 the Republican Party majority leader in the House, was too lazy even to be the managing committee! The K-Street crowd just let the business classes run the legislature directly, themselves, having the regulatory laws written to suit them.

So Abramoff, Delay, the K-Street crowd are busted. Once upon a time such a thing would have been a huge political scandal and would have haunted the party that produced it. But because US Big Media is mostly Republican-owned, it just quietly subsided as a story....

Cable and satellite television "news" tells us nothing of elections in India or constitutional crisis in Thailand, and barely mentions a major workers strike at Boeing. Dozens of car bombs go off in Iraq and we are told it is "calm" now. It is a vast electromagnetic form of bread and circuses, wherein hapless celebrities and philandering politicians are fed to the lions before millions of cheering plebes, by corporate moguls desperately hoping that the marks will not notice the legion of pickpockets in the arena, relieving them of their purses....

And in the wake of the greatest and most sustained act of systematic plunder since the Mongol hordes appropriated to themselves the riches of everyplace in Asia from Beijing to Isfahan, the reaction of the supine and slave-like American voting public is to scratch their heads and have a hard time deciding if they would like more of the same....

READ IT ALL.
http://www.juancole.com/

SurveyUSA: Obama
opens lead in Virginia

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A new SurveyUSA poll in Virginia shows Sen. Barack Obama has moved to a six point lead over Sen. John McCain, 51% to 45%. Compared to a similar poll two weeks ago, Obama is up 4, McCain is down 4.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/09/22/surveyusa_obama_opens_lead_...

thank you for the black lesbian opinion you offer us

mystery men is a great movie too

Read Richard Dawkins' book The God Delusion. He explains why a personal god is extremely improbable.

It is not for nonbelievers to prove that a sentient, omniscient, god exists, it is for those who believe to substantiate it.

I had more evidence that Santa Clause existed than anyone has ever shown me that God exists. And, the problem is Santa Clause does not exist

(Senate Majority Leader Harry) Reid: We will not 'rubber stamp' bailout bill

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid issued a warning to the White House Monday, saying Congress will not “rubber stamp” a proposed $700 billion bailout proposal because of pressure from the administration.

“We are prepared to do what is necessary to avoid {an economic crisis} — but we will not let haste abandon good judgment in the process,” Reid said in a statement. “The Bush administration has called on Congress to rubber stamp its bailout legislation without serious debate or efforts to improve it. That will not happen.

“The legislation sent to Congress by the Treasury Department recognizes the scope of the crisis the Bush administration created, a view that we share with {Treasury} Secretary {Henry} Paulson. But the Bush administration’s bill is a starting point; by no means the final product.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0908/Reid_We_will_not_rubber_stam...

....

Sam, are you trying to piss me off? Because you are when you tease me by putting this together and not making it available for all to hear.

OUTED! McCain Chief Of Staff Mark Buse

In what they are calling a "hypocrisy bombshell", today SiriusXM radio host Michelangelo Signorile and DC-based LGBT activist Mike Rogers jointly revealed that Mark Buse, John McCain's chief of staff, is a gay man.
http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2008/09/outed-mccain-chief-of-staff-mark-bu...

John McCain is opposed to every single gay rights measure of recent years –- from a hate crimes bill, to an anti-discrimination bill to an attempt to repeal the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy on gays in the military –- and is publicly on record supporting a ballot measure in California this November to strip gays and lesbians there of their legally-won right to marry in that state. If that isn’t enough to make it relevant to report on his 20-year-relationship with a close aide and chief of staff who is gay, the fact that Sarah Palin is now on the ticket -- garnering support for McCain from previously reticent antigay leaders like James Dobson of Focus on the Family –- surely does.

Mark Buse, after all, is a public figure in his own right. His role as chief of staff to a man running for president has elevated him and certainly his controversial former role as a prominent lobbyist has brought media scrutiny to him. And he is running the Senate office of a 72-year-old presidential candidate who has had recurrent cancer and who might well usher into the White House as president a woman who, by what evidence we have, has melded her politics with her evangelical religious beliefs.

A key Democrat negotiating a $700 billion financial bailout says the Bush administration has agreed to include mortgage aid and strong congressional oversight in the plan.

Rep. Barney Frank, the Financial Services Committee chairman, says a great deal of progress has been made in talks between lawmakers and President Bush's team on the rescue.

A government official with knowledge of the talks also said the administration has agreed to create a plan to help prevent foreclosures on mortgages it acquires as part of the bailout.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080922/ap_on_bi_ge/financial_meltdown

Uh, not liking this, wonder what the dems agreed to to get this.

damn ignorant lazy proletariat's...

I'm trying to find the open Mic about IMing sam/Marc...was it by Fernando's?

anyway, I can't find the open mic home page...all I find is the Recent Mics...do I have to wade through the entire back log?

or is there some way navigating through them I am not aware of?

Anti-Gay McCain's Chief of Staff Outed as Gay Hotlist
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/22/144220/825/541/606626

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Good show.

best for weeks.

Marc seems in a lot better mood than a couple weeks ago.

Great seeing Janeane again..

I sure hope they bring her back alot ! :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

http://www.samsedershow.com/node/2109

samsedershow

marcmaron

I use AIM...I don't know how to use their IDs with MSN Msngr, though that would be nice if anyone knows how :)

To donate to charity. Lost the keys to it.... So its a long story but thanks to being in the hotel I have help.

Bye everyone!!

See you tomorrow.

Reality. TV. Two more reasons to read.

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

Want more Janeane! She was really great on Maher's show. I like how she flustered Fund and got him to start knocking things over.

How do we IM?

I should have saved it to favorites but I didn't

Sunny Jim has it also.

United Nations, Sept 22: The United States has agreed to join Singapore, New Zealand, Chile and Brunei in a free trade agreement which could set the pace for a broader Asia-Pacific free trade area, officials said.

US Trade Representative Susan Schwab is expected to announce Washington's decision to participate in the "Comprehensive Trans-Pacific Strategic Economic Partnership Agreement" at a meeting today with ministers from the four countries on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly, the officials said.

"I can confirm that the US will join," a US administration official told media.

The agreement, the first trade pact involving a group of Pacific Rim countries, was signed between Singapore, Chile and New Zealand in 2005 before Brunei joined it a year later.

It was commonly known as the "P4" group with a broad objective to tear down trade barriers among participants within a decade, officials said.

The US decision to join the agreement will give impetus to a long term initiative within the 21-member Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) to forge a Free Trade Agreement of the Asia Pacific, officials said.

http://www.zeenews.com/articles.asp?aid=471066&sid=BUS&ssid=51

there is a link there for how to IM Sam.

Near the middle.

I love Sam Marc and especially Jeaneane.She is my hero!

http://votenobailout.org/

add 'samsedershow' and 'marcmaron' to you buddy list.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-rogers/john-mccains-chief-of-sta_b...
John McCain's Chief of Staff gay, wins Roy Cohn Award

http://signorile2003.blogspot.com/2008/09/hypocrisy-bombshell-antigay-jo...
Monday, September 22, 2008
Hypocrisy Bombshell: Antigay John McCain has a Gay Chief of Staff

Early Jump: 'Seattle Times' Endorses Obama

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_con...

>>'Seattle Times' Endorses Obama

they are the conservative paper in town.

Kuwait defence minister informs US that Iraqi forces ‘should be defensive in nature’.

KUWAIT CITY - Kuwait has told the United States it is concerned over proposed arms sales to former occupier Iraq, the Gulf state's defence minister said in comments published on Monday.

"We have informed the United States of our fears over this issue and that... (Iraqi) forces should be defensive in nature," Sheikh Jaber Mubarak al-Sabah told Al-Seyassah newspaper.

The Pentagon announced last month it had notified Congress of proposed military sales to Iraq valued at more than nine billion dollars, including helicopters, tanks and armoured vehicles.

"In the short term, there is no danger for Kuwait, but in the long term, there could be some fears from these arms sales," said Sheikh Jaber, who is also acting prime minister.

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=27988

All along the Texas coast, Latino immigrants are hauling away fallen trees, slashing through storm-tangled brush, patching punctured roofs.

On working-class corners, on ladders in front of Victorian houses, in the yards of ornate mansions, crews of men in dusty jeans, sturdy workboots and baseball caps are nearly as omnipresent in the post-Hurricane Ike landscape as blue tarps on rooftops.

These workers, who get picked up off the street by homeowners looking for quick, cheap labor, are helping to rebuild the devastated cities of southeast Texas.

Many of them are here illegally. Others are legal residents in need of income after their regular jobs were disrupted by the hurricane.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gZwonrCptOVFEPjMEx23o9rZ3N2QD93BNMV80

before and now after the maron/seder webcast.

as usual, randi's got this bailout thing nailed, and the correct action needed.

bailout the mortgage holders - freeze foreclosures and set up mechanisms for mortgage holders to negotiate with lienholders.

same for small business loans.

she just drew the comparison: "we're being charged for our own rape-kits'

(AP chairman) Singleton: Many MediaNews Papers Leaning Toward Obama

When presidential endorsements by many of MediaNews Group's 54 daily papers are completed in the coming weeks, don’t be surprised if Barack Obama gets much of the support, according to CEO William Dean Singleton.

Speaking by phone Monday from his ranch in Granby, Colo. -- where he hosts an annual retreat for his editors, publishers and other newspaper leaders -- Singleton said chats with those who will decide the endorsements finds more liking Obama, at least at the moment.

"In talking to our editors, it appears many of them are leaning toward Obama," Singleton said. "But they have not made a decision yet. All of the papers are represented. I am hearing that the economy and health care are the big issues."

Singleton, a longtime supporter of the Bush family, says he remains personally undecided, a first for him. "I don't ever remember being undecided before. I have always leaned toward one of them early on," he says. "I am having trouble with this one." He favored Hillary Clinton over Obama during the Democratic primaries.

MediaNews papers include the Denver Post, San Jose Mercury News, Oakland Tribune, The Detroit News, St. Paul Pioneer Press, Los Angeles Daily News, Salt Lake Tribune and dozens of others.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_con...

That will resonate in a short ban marketplace.

This aint good.

Eliot Spitzer: Bush Stopped States from Going After Predatory Lenders in 2003

This is old news, but it sure looks a lot different now. In February, just a month before the first big bailout (approx. $50 billion to JP Morgan and Bear Stearns) New York Governor Eliot Spitzer wrote this editorial in the Washington Post.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/13/AR200802...

Predatory Lenders' Partner in Crime
How the Bush Administration Stopped the States From Stepping In to Help Consumers

By Eliot Spitzer
Thursday, February 14, 2008; Page A25

Several years ago, state attorneys general and others involved in consumer protection began to notice a marked increase in a range of predatory lending practices by mortgage lenders. Some were misrepresenting the terms of loans, making loans without regard to consumers' ability to repay, making loans with deceptive "teaser" rates that later ballooned astronomically, packing loans with undisclosed charges and fees, or even paying illegal kickbacks. These and other practices, we noticed, were having a devastating effect on home buyers. In addition, the widespread nature of these practices, if left unchecked, threatened our financial markets.

snip

Predatory lending was widely understood to present a looming national crisis. This threat was so clear that as New York attorney general, I joined with colleagues in the other 49 states in attempting to fill the void left by the federal government. Individually, and together, state attorneys general of both parties brought litigation or entered into settlements with many subprime lenders that were engaged in predatory lending practices. Several state legislatures, including New York's, enacted laws aimed at curbing such practices.

snip

Not only did the Bush administration do nothing to protect consumers, it embarked on an aggressive and unprecedented campaign to prevent states from protecting their residents from the very problems to which the federal government was turning a blind eye.

snip

In 2003, during the height of the predatory lending crisis, the OCC invoked a clause from the 1863 National Bank Act to issue formal opinions preempting all state predatory lending laws, thereby rendering them inoperative. The OCC also promulgated new rules that prevented states from enforcing any of their own consumer protection laws against national banks. The federal government's actions were so egregious and so unprecedented that all 50 state attorneys general, and all 50 state banking superintendents, actively fought the new rules.

Please read the whole editorial. Then remember that the Mukasey Injustice Department publicly set Spitzer up on a Mann Act charge. This is a draconian law that is used in political cases. Like Jack Johnson, who was guilty of the crime of being a successful boxer while Black. Most clients of prostitutes receive a misdemeanor citation from local authorities. David Vitter is still in the Senate.

I'm considering pulling half my 401k out in a loan and buying plain gold. Is that retarded? I can afford to pay myself back in a long term note and will secure a fair chunk of change.

Is this plan retarded?

No wonder it has been a troll free day, they've probably all been laid off.

Does anybody know why I can see the video Next Day, but never As It's Happening? Are they distributed on two different formats? Are there only a few slots for those who want to view and you have to be in the right place at the right time to get in on it?

Clueless viewers want to know.

Looking forward to seeing it when it's posted later!

House GOP 'bewildered' by financial crisis
Nick Juliano

It's been a confusing few days as conservative Republicans who support big business, tout the free market and decry big government intervention have watched a GOP administration propose a massive government intervention to prevent business collapses that could shatter the market.

A $700 billion bailout package is causing plenty of consternation for the minority party on Capitol Hill, which seems to be facing competing pressures from its political and ideological interests. Roll Call lays out Republicans' woes in a subscription-only report Monday.

Last week’s deepening financial crisis and the string of bailouts engineered by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke left Republicans bewildered, whipsawed and divided over how to respond.
The paper's Steven T. Dennis outlines some of the rhetorical somersaults and near-instantaneous flip-flops that have marked prominent Republicans' attempts to address the crisis.

For example, House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) went from rallying against "more federal involvement in our markets" to supporting an $85 billion bailout of insurer AIG within just a few hours, Dennis reports. By week's end he was backing the administration's wider bailout plan.
Boehner’s turnaround matched that of GOP presidential nominee Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), who said “the fundamentals of the economy are strong” on Monday and then spent the rest of the week scrambling to get ahead of the unfolding crisis, even saying he would like to fire fellow Republican and former Rep. Chris Cox (Calif.) as head of the Securities and Exchange Commission.
While the party's leaders were scrambling to find common ground on an approach to the crisis, some rank-and-file Republicans were less unified.

Some members of the Republican Study Committee, which represents conservative stalwarts, were decrying the bailout plan as a step closer to "socialism," according to Roll Call.

For their part, the Democrats did not exactly have an easy path toward a bailout bill, either, with many liberal members decrying packages they saw as geared more toward helping Wall Street CEOs than average Americans.

Democratic leaders are facing pressure from the White House to pass a bailout bailout package quickly, Politico reports, although several members are trying to attach provisions that would halt home foreclosures and curtail CEO compensation, among other proposals.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/House_GOP_bewildered_by_financial_crisis_0...

MY NEW GREATEST HERO!

i'm not qualified to give financial advice and as others have said, you'd be a fool to take my advice, but something you might find interesting to read is:

Investor Sentiment Cycle

it provides a good explanation for why people buy high and sell low.

if you have a self managed retirement account you might want to read over some of the other material at the site about wealth management, asset allocation, and diversification. i have a lot of respect for what teresa lo writes.

Suffolk Poll: Nevada is Very Tight
A new Suffolk University poll in Nevada shows Sen. John McCain just barely ahead of Sen. Barack Obama, 46% to 45%.

Interesting: "The recent Wall Street turmoil has not helped matters for the Republican Party. When likely voters were asked which political party -- if any -- deserved blame for the roiling economy, 41 percent blamed the Republicans; 16 percent blamed Democrats; 27 percent said neither; and 16 percent were undecided."

http://suffolk.edu/30935.html

Bonus Quote of the Day
"I want to be done playing this lady Nov. 5. So if anybody can help me be done playing this lady Nov. 5, that would be good for me."

-- Tina Fey, quoted by the Huffington Post, on brilliantly playing Gov. Sarah Palin for Saturday Night Live.

On a related note, CQ has started a blog collecting some of the best political humor of the campaign.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/22/tina-feys-emmy-night-humb_n_128...

nobody knows, just yet.

the big picture question is, 'who's going to get bailed out?'

if the money's going to the financial institutions, then your 401k *might* be safer...

on the other hand, they may lock the doors to keep people from cashing out...

if the fed sets up a loan assistance program, who knows how they're going to fund it?

uncharted territory, here.

i'm not sure what that means.

its interesting that even with short selling banned for financial stocks that they pretty much lost ground across the board. all the ban has done is to prevent large hedge funds from a) profiting on the decline and b) putting additional downward pressure on the market.

the columns i read suggest that the big surge friday was primarily short covering, which occurs when traders close out their short positions lest they get trapped in a rally, and not necessarily a return of confidence in the market. one aspect of shorting that doesn't get a lot of mention is that it has infinite upside risk.

"is to scratch their heads and have a hard time deciding if they would like more of the same."...Got to admit it...the man has got a point.

The average American's plan for dealing with the last 8 years of indentured servitude and the next 20 of flat out slavery:

they're lifting the ban on 10/3 or 10/4? what happens the next morning?

as in people will connect the dots that with a ban on shorts you should not see such volatility downward.

good question. somebody was asking hartmann about that this afternoon and he suggested that all hell is going to break loose. i think it was on the ravi batra segment.

if that happens, i would think they would reinstate it.

my impression is that ravi's essential thesis is that the bush crime family is just playing for time with the bailout.

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the rational for why things will decline is that the restrictions are artificially propping up the market and that when the restrictions are lifted, the market will find a new equilibrium point.

we are paying for our own rape kits now.

thank you sir, may i have another

Yes my friends,it's Petition time again ! ;)

**
George Bush wants taxpayers to give Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson a $700 billion blank check - $2,333 for every many, woman, and child - to bail out Wall Street for its reckless speculation and greed. That's on top of $1.1 trillion for Bush's other recent bailouts, including A.I.G., Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and Bear Stearns.
The Paulson Plan is a total outrage with no restrictions, no accountability, and no repair of the underlying problem of foreclosures on fraudulent mortgages. Each of Bush's previous bailouts was sold as a cure for the financial crisis, but each had little effect. The Paulson Plan achieves only one goal with certainty: stealing from the middle class to protect the rich.

The current financial crisis is the direct result of 28 years of rightwing Republican deregulation, corruption, and greed, which became fatally toxic under Bush-Cheney and the Republican Congress. When George Bush stole the White House in 2001, President Clinton handed him a projected 10-year surplus of $5 trillion. But Bush immediately gave $2 trillion in tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans, then wasted $1-3 trillion invading Iraq on the basis of lies. Now Bush demands Congress increase the national debt to $11 trillion.

Congress must reject Paulson's Plunder and enact a plan with these progressive principles from the Backbone Campaign:

Petition - Please Read & Sign - Thank you..

http://www.democrats.com/stop-paulsons-plunder

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Submitted by dan on Mon, 09/22/2008 - 5:04pm.
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Oh Dan, so true. The American public have been tap dancing, sycophantic Uncle Toms, for a long time. Whether it be watching the dalliances of the idle rich, (Trump types or Hollywood coms to mind). Or! It's sitting on our hands while the Wall Street types loot the treasury. Our response is usually, Yes Sur, Boss. I's luvs ya Massa!

The freeze is keeping the Hedge Funds from doing what they do best, shorting.

Thom and Ravi were right about something else too...As the hedge fund redemption dates start rolling around, a lot of people who didn't get out after the Bear Stearns debacle are going to liquidate. A lot of those funds will, in turn, have to liquidate as well. The market could end up in free fall.

GOOD! If that what it takes for the free market to correct itself, then good.

is to allow people to withdraw money from their 401K's without getting penalized.

Buckeye Battleground
Hillary is pulling out the stops for Obama in Ohio.

--David Kurtz

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/hillary_urges_do...

It's funny what Bill Clinton said on the View toady. That he likes both McCain and Obama and it is a shame that you have to put down each other for an election. But what did he and Hillary do to Obama? Now he takes the high road? After the dammage is done?

Sorry, Wingnuts: McCain's Campaign Manager Pushed For Boost In Minority Homeownership
By Greg Sargent and Eric Kleefeld - September 22, 2008, 5:08PM
An emerging meme on the right, one that's being championed by the likes of Neil Cavuto and others, is that the mortgage crisis happened not because of deregulation, but because brokers were pressured into making loans to "minorities and risky folks," as Cavuto tastefully put it.

But guess who actively sought to boost minority homeownership? John McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis.

As The New York Times reported today, Davis was president for several years of the Homeownership Alliance, an industry advocacy organization formed mainly by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The Alliance's core mission is to boost the number of mortgages granted.

But take a look at this picture from the alliance's annual report in 2004, unearthed by a reader, showing Davis at a Congressional reception praising minority homeownership (click to enlarge): at link

"We have an opportunity in the next decade to increase minority homeownership and significantly reduce the minority homeownership gap," Davis is quoted saying here. "The future of the housing market rests heavily on the economic success of minorities. Homeownership is likely to grow faster among minority Americans in the next decade if all the stakeholders in the housing industry work together to make it happen. The Homeownership Alliance is working toward this goal."

Hmmm. Wingers agree McCain's campaign manager helped cause mortgage crisis?

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/home_ownership_r...

-is to allow people to withdraw money from their 401K's without getting penalized.-

Palin Claims "Obama-Biden Democrats" Are Regularly Attacking Her Family, But...
By Greg Sargent - September 22, 2008, 3:25PM

The McCain camp has just blasted out to its list a fundraising email by Sarah Palin claiming that Obama-Biden Democrats are waging frequent attacks on her family. From the email:

Friends, in the course of a few weeks, the Obama-Biden Democrats have launched attack after attack on me, my family and John McCain. They're desperate to win and they'll no doubt launch these attacks against other reformers on our ticket.
I didn't remember any attacks on Palin's family from Obama, Biden, or their top supporters. So I asked the McCain campaign what this was a reference to.

Here, according to a McCain campaign aide, are the attacks on Palin's family from "Obama-Biden Democrats" that the email refers to:

1) Obama finance committee member Howard Gutman questioning Palin's parenting and her willingness to take on the Veep candidate role when her family is so consuming -- a comment he subsequently apologized for.

2) Andrew Sullivan's demand that the McCain campaign release medical records putting to rest rumors about the birth of Trig Palin.

3) A user diary on DailyKos, which is of course the site of leading Obama supporter Markos Moulitsas, raising questions about that pregnancy.

And that's it.

Meanwhile, just today, on a McCain campaign conference call, McCain senior adviser Steve Schmidt laid into the alleged ties between Joe Biden's son and the credit card industry.

Late Update: Markos instant-messages me the following response:

"You could use a Daily Kos diary to justify just about any charge ever made. Same with the Free Republic message boards, etc. But that's patently absurd, and just more of her `rile the base' bullshit. If something stupid can be said, you can believe someone on Daily Kos has said it."

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/palin_claims_oba...

GOP Financial Services Committee Member Strongly Opposes Bailout
By Kate Klonick - September 22, 2008, 4:21PM
Rep. Scott Garrett (R-NJ), a member of the House Financial Services and Budget Committees, is strongly opposed to the administration's plans to bail out Wall Street an aide confirmed to TPMmuckraker.

"There aren't any amendments that I have heard of that would make him turn around and support it," said Erica Elliott, Garrett's press secretary.

As Congress struggles to understand the implications of the Treasury Department's $700 billion bail-out solution proposed last Friday, there is considerable uncertainly on Capitol Hill about the alternative measures that will be proposed and where individual lawmakers stand.

"It really is a big ongoing conversation with a lot of different members," Elliott added. "Trying to get everyone together who says 'We don't like the $700 billion bailout, what do we like in place of that.'"

This afternoon, the House Republican Study Committee, of which Garrett is a member, held an emergency meeting to discuss alternative plans to the administration's proposal.

Earlier this morning, Garrett also stepped into the fray currently overtaking Capitol Hill, circulating an email with three attached articles by economists with bailout alternatives.

Last week, Garrett and Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-OH) came across the aisle to call for the formation of a bi-partisan Select Committee on Bailouts to investigate the actions taken by the Federal Reserve and Treasury Department with regard to bailouts.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/gop_financial_services...

700 billion is really just the beginning. the argument that we're supposed to buy into is that if we don't do this the credit markets will freeze up and the economy will grind to a halt.

on the other hand, what if we take this money and use it to help out homes in danger, use it to provide small business loans, use it to start rebuilding the infrastructure, in essence repeat what roosevelt did to get the country back on its feet we the people would be much better off.

its time to change the bankruptcy laws. reinstate usury laws. how about basically creating a credit union for the people of the united states.

Stop It Right Now!
McCain camp convenes conference call to demand reporters stop calling them liars.

Late Update: Joe Klein says the tirade is Steve Schmidt's shark-jumping moment.

--Josh Marshall

http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/09/schmidt_jumps_the_shark.html

It's a Negotiation?
Democrats are pushing for oversight and some protection for taxpayers in the bailout bill. You know about that. But now the banks are saying they need more too? Can beggars be choosers? From CNN ...

At the same time, financial institutions are weighing in with what they want in the bill. On Sunday, the Financial Services Roundtable - a lobbying group representing the nation's banks - called on Congress to make the plan "broad enough to include different types of assets."

The Treasury has amended its original request to give it authority to buy up not just troubled mortgage assets, but troubled assets period.

This comes after the push to bail out foreign banks and bank lobbyists calling regulatory fixes a "deal breaker."

Is it a "deal"?

--Josh Marshall

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/218820.php

buying gold
Submitted by dan on Mon, 09/22/2008 - 4:43pm

*******
Even though unfortunately this stuff puts me to sleep..

I blame my inactivity with my 401k by saying to myself
I'm in for the long haul,until I retire..

But,the truth is I don't have a clue what to do..
But,I guess I'm not the only one..Sad but true..

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

its not true that this video was secretly made at the mccain conference call:

trick over and over.

word is that last week congress was briefed on the seriousness of the situation in a closed session. supposedly what they heard scared the daylights out of them which is why this grand theft is moving forward.

doesn't this sound like deja vu all over again? wmd, capitol terror threats, blah blah blah.

that the bailout may not go thru...

i think this is a load of hooey. i think what you saw today was investors cashing in on their gains from the last two days.

"its time to change the bankruptcy laws. reinstate usury laws. how about basically creating a credit union for the people of the united states."

The credit cards companies are losing out big time right now. People don't have the money to pay the double digit interest rates they have if you pay late. Or if they can't pay now it's a double hit. The rates keep going up and your credit goes down the drain.

Bankruptcy laws should be brought to where they were before they changed them, at the least.

and CFO's that destroyed their companies before they were asked to go or leave a company. The stock holders have to change those rules. Why should they suffer the lose when these people leave with no financial hardships. Also, the employees of that company should be able to have recourse.

No more failing up!

Submitted by toniD on Mon, 09/22/2008 - 5:39pm.
It's funny what Bill Clinton said on the View toady
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ToniD,

I don't get it. In 1998, I attended a lecture by Gloria Steinem. I probably told this story before, but bare with me here. It was an audience of 5000. She started off her talk with the joke John McCain told about Chelsea Clinton. The response from the entire audience,was a loud simultaneous gasp. I was wondering why I had never heard it before.

This is why I could never support Hilary Clinton. Apparently, she and her husband made a deal with the devil, John McCain. What they got out of it, I don't know. But to throw their own daughter under the bus is revealing of their character. However, to continue embellishing McCain with compliments, is just plain vulgar.

Any ideas what the Clinton's got out of this, ToniD?

the problem is that hedge funds hold large positions so the little investor doesn't stand a chance having an impact on corporate policys.

the real issue is that we treat corporations and these funds as having the same if not more rights than people do. its really time to turn that around.

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there's a word for this. it starts with the letter R and ends with egulation.

Credit cards?

Mortgages?

Lines of credit?

Easy credit?

All of that is going to tightened up.

As well it should!

People need to get back to living within thier means.

Those banks must have been crazy to write those loans.

In 5 or 10 years people will be used to balancing budgets again!

In the end that 700bln just comes out of the economy through the tax payers anyway, and will go straight into shareholder's pockets. I say screw Wall St. Let them take the hit. Let the market fix itself. Especially if they are getting stupid about negotiating regulation.

Congress can force the lenders to renegotiate with the mortgage holders through legislation.

As far as the investors are concerned, they gambled and lost. Screw'em!

you know war dog, i'll bet you that most people around here do live within their means. now if we could get corporations and the super rich to have the same sense of responsibility we might make some progress.

when was the last time you ever heard of an individual investor getting bailed out if they bought a stock and it lost value?

actually the individuals that win in this are the super rich. supposedly the chinese and the arabs are bitching about losing money.

By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS
18 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Scrambling for a quick accord on the $700 billion bailout, the Bush administration and leading lawmakers have agreed to include mortgage aid and strong congressional oversight along with unprecedented help for failing financial institutions, a key lawmaker said Monday.

Unimpressed, investors sent stocks plummeting anew, pushed oil up $16 a barrel and propelled gold prices ever higher as they searched for a safe place to park their money.

President Bush prodded Congress to pass the administration's rescue plan quickly, declaring, "The whole world is watching." And there did seem to be movement in talks between the White House and Capitol Hill.

Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, said "a great deal of progress has already been made." And a government official with knowledge of the talks said the administration had agreed to create a plan to help prevent foreclosures on mortgages it acquires as part of the bailout — a key demand of Democratic lawmakers.

Con't

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Approximately 12 years ago, Michael Hudson appeared on C-span. I think I may still have the tape. However, he was talking about the criminals that have brought us today's nightmare. He dubbed them, "the merchants of misery."

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Will the Cure be Worse Than the Crisis?
The Paulson-Bernanke Bank Bailout Plan
By MICHAEL HUDSON

Saturday’s $700 billion junk mortgage bailout is the largest and worst giveaway since a corrupt Congress gave land grants to the railroad barons a century and a half ago. If it goes through, it will shape the coming century by giving finance unprecedented power over debtors – homebuyers, industry, state and local government, and the federal government as well.

But what threatens to be even worse is the government’s move to let the financial sector make even higher, unprecedented gains by working its way out of negative equity to “make taxpayers whole” by repaying the government’s bailout by bleeding the economy at large. Anticipating congressional capitulation in this license to engage in predatory credit, the latest Sunday evening surprise is that Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson’s own firm, Goldman Sachs, is to become bank holding company picking up the financial wreckage now that the government is covering the bad loans and investment gambles Wall Street has made.

What Mr. Paulson did not say in his weekend TV interviews, organized as what he hoped would be a series of victory laps. Neither he nor Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke nor any other Wall Street spokesman has acknowledged that the government has helped promote today’s $46 trillion debt bomb. This enormous overhead consists of the product that banks are selling – interest-bearing debt that is being added to real estate, corporate industry and personal income to price the U.S. economy out of world markets.

con't

http://www.counterpunch.org/

That Crank Bait seem to be pushing for me to take a blog promotion.

None the less, it wouldn't be fair for me to take credit for someone else's hard work.

But I can tell you this.

When the Government takes all those higher risk loans they will be in a position to give the borrowers a second chance they would not have had with the banks.

And the banks can focus on the kind of business they should have been doing in the first place.

The housing market will benefit along with the stock market.

--what i can't figure out is why are the dems falling for the same
Submitted by dan on Mon, 09/22/2008 - 5:59pm.

trick over and over.---

the only way to get the banks out of the casino business is to regulate the shit out of them. something a real american, franklin roosevelt, did.

its time to send the conservatives packing. actually, running them out of town on a rail sounds better and better.

worth a listen

https://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/2518/t/5620/shop/custom.jsp?donate...

So...I see we are supposed to blame the person who applies for a loan in good faith, not the entity who approves the loan knowing full well they intend to sell the loan to a third party who will increase the rates beyond the borrower's ability to pay.

why would they do this? Cuz they make money!!!

Here's the problem with our multi-faced troll, he only gives whatever facts needed to swing an argument his way.

He will never give all the relevant facts.

I loaned myself enough money to payoff the note on my townhouse (which I current rent out)and the $2k remaining on my car. In all cases its a win win win.

I pay myself interest instead of the mortgage co in the exact same time frame, its at a lower interest, I'm trading it for hard assets I can use if I lose my job and it's plenty big enough for me and my daughter.... My flee to security has begun.

If nothing happens, then in 4yrs when the note is paid for, I'm about 6k ahead in cashflow that ultimately got diverted to my 401k.

Worst case, I may need a new tax shelter in two years.

From the Immoral Minority:

Would you like to venture a guess as to who wrote a letter of recommendation to get Mike Wooten of "Troopergate" his job? Yep it was Sarah Palin alright. Just when you thought this case could not get any stranger.

Here is copy of letter:

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site163/2008/0721/20080721_1...

Ralph Nader hasn't been elected to squat !

He just rolls out of he's hermetically sealed cave
every 4 years..

The only way you can intact legislation is to be in the game..

Congress or Senate..Locally or Federally..

It's like some guy who every 4 years goes to Vegas to the Craps Table..
He bets everything on 1 roll..And,everytime he losses..

Then goes back to his hermetically sealed cave..

To return in 4 years..

Maybe just maybe he can get it going at the State level first..I hope so..

He has some great ideas..But,you can't play if your not in the game..

Of course, we do need to elect Better Deomcrats too !

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

can i interest you in a bridge?

seriously, sounds like you're doing the right thing. i think its going to get a lot worse before it gets better. i really worry about my parents and my mother in law who have nothing to fall back on.

luv it.

Best part of my "all hell is breaking loose" strategy. My jeep liberty diesel will run on fry grease :)

but only after he sucks everyone in with a lot of publicity like an old time carnival barker.

declare martial law?

I am sick of Palin's reform nonsense!

all reform means is change.

and not all change is good.

Hitler "reformed" Germany.

Stalin "reformed" the USSR.

Mao "reformed" China

Pol Pot "reformed" Cambodia.

there's 4 of the 20th century's greatest reformers!

So when Palin promises reform, all she pledges is change along her own ideological world view.

And from what I've heard about her years as Mayor and year and ahalf as governor, she does not offer the change REAL America (not the `merica war dog talks about) truly wants.

everyone in my family is doing well. We are really lucky.

Still only my mom's house is 100% mortgage free. I don't think that's enough. Even if I keep my job and my brother loses his, it makes sense.

I always have trouble with the capcha, that's why I don't post here that often. I've had 10-12 tries go wrong.

Of course next week I will be gainfully employed again -- and unable to listen to the new show live...or chat. :( But having a job is :) in this economy. Alas, I can't afford to be a lady of leisure -- and certainly not after the last few days in the markets...

The World-Famous Thanks to Morning Sedition
Brilliant at Breakfast
http://brilliantatbreakfast.blogspot.com
"Only dull people are brilliant at Breakfast" -- Oscar Wilde
Speaking truth to power since 2004

Even if you have cash or stocks or now even bonds or t-bills, it may all be worthless with these idiots behind the helm.

When I say I'm fiscally conservative, I mean it.

MM...

Ralph doesn't have fair access to media at ANY time of year, election season or not....

I would guess that MOST people have no idea he's even running...

If you like what you get from Dems - keep voting for them...But if I were you, I'd learn to pump up your candidates views, instead of nitpicking on Ralph's efforts to make the whole Presidential election system more fair....

deal with CAPTCHA.

http://www.samsedershow.com/user/register

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/panoramic_photo/

Panoramic Photographs

Taking the Long View, 1851-1991

always an honor to see you. What will you be doing in your new endeavor?

>>I always have trouble with the capcha,

I know what you mean...first there's the shadow...what purpose does IT serve?

then you have the bizarre twisting of the letters...sometimes you can only guess if the letter is capitalized or not...

setting up my AIM account I ran into something that looked more like a backward `half note' than a `b' or a `6'...

Rogers picked a bad day...

>>Ralph doesn't have fair access to media at ANY time of year, election season or not....

>>I would guess that MOST people have no idea he's even running...

that's really his own fault. he chooses to run for president and president ONLY.

Eight years ago he could have run for US senator...he probably would have won, depending which state he ran in.

Then he would be in a position to actually offer these fixes he proposes.

I don't think he really wants to win, too much responsibility...too much accountability.

Nothing he has done suggests he really wants serve for the greater good of the country, but he does enjoy positioning himself to say, "I told you so."

What does he do the rest of the time ?

He can sue to get on Ballots..That's good..

But,What legislation has he passed ?

Nada !

Now,good day to you,Missy.. :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Email Ralph if you care so much....

Feinstein !

Now that's a pile of dung I would like to wheel out of town !

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

98% of your Ralph posts slide.. :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

>>Why are you two jumping on me?

why do you keep bringing him up?

I thought we came here to have thoughtful discussion?

the only way to keep me from using my right to free speech on this matter is to stop bringing this subject up.

You know what would be interesting?

Ask the higher ups in the P&T party about why Ralf chooses only to run for president, why he will not run for senate...and then come back and explain it to me

PS: I hope you don't feel like I'm just being mean, I just find the subject irritating after so long. You know I consider you a friend.

But, MMRUles does it just to be mean, I'm sure of that. He is an evil, evil man! ;)

>>MMRUles does it just to be mean, I'm sure of that. He is an evil, evil man! ;)

but, he is still better than that Satanic Dada! ;)

will ultimately undo the time space continum Chubbs. No boubt adout it.

>>logic and dry wit will ultimately undo the time space continuum

If this is true, look for it to happen shortly after my death, just about the time I get to the Gates of heave and for Saint Peter to address me...

I don't know what it is I'll say, but...

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C'mon what's one more?

Obama has an "effete" quality about him.

Yes, grow up middle class, get good grades, go to law school and BAM! You're effete...

Not like John McCain. Noooooooo..

Your Liberal Media

Image: Kos

Jeebus what the fuck is going on??
I have been asking myself this question
for almost 8 years.

They (Repub-lick-thugs) want everyone to
panic. we need to just take our time & read
the fine print (Democrats)

Hope ya all are well & taking it easy.
@ work right now - listening to Jeff Farias
on KPHX

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bluerootsradio

I heard McSame has12 houses.
Heard it on NPR last week.

maggiesboy - LOL

there was a John (box turtle fucker) Cornyn ad on the tv at the time saying we need his kind of change. He's been in the Senate for Texas as a Republitard for as long back as I can remember.

They must think we are stupid.

Sign Senator Bernie's Petition
Submitted by maggiesboy on Mon, 09/22/2008 - 7:53pm.

How are you & the family?
I hope everyone is well & protected -
as far as what is going on.

maggiesboy - same goes for you 2.

sorry I didn't answer your question earlier about Clinton. I was away from the computer for awhile.

I don't know what that was all about.

A 70-year-old Texas Rancher got his hand caught in a gate while working cattle. He wrapped the hand in his bandana and drove his pickup to the doctor. While suturing the laceration, the doctor asked the old man about John Cornyn being in Congress..

The old Texan said, "Well, ya know, Cornyn is a 'Post Turtle.'"

Not knowing what the old man meant, the doctor asked what a Post Turtle was.

The old man looked at him and drawled, "When you're driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a Post Turtle."

The old man saw a puzzled look on the doctor's face, so he continued to explain:

"You know he didn't get there by himself, he doesn't belong there, he can't get anything done while he's up there, and you just want to help the poor dumb bastard get down."

bluerootsradio
I know you've seen this before as a Bush joke but I couldn't help myself.

don't worry about us. In retrospect, it feels really good to know I actually own a house and a car out right. I think it's a better idea right now than holding onto paper that may or may not have value tomorrow. I needed to do this even if the markets weren't collapsing, this was a wake up call for me.

Got my full body condom on as I type this reply..

Happy New house! When can we come up for a weekend kegger party?

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bluerootsradio

and MM actually brought him up this time...

It does not affect your daily life very much if your neighbor marries a box turtle. But that does not mean it is right... Now you must raise your children up in a world where that union of man and box turtle is on the same legal footing as man and wife. - He talks like Sanctorum when the subject deals of sex.

Humane Society Legislative Fund Endorses Obama-Biden

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While we've endorsed hundreds of congressional candidates for election, both Democrats and Republicans, we've never before endorsed a presidential candidate. We have members on the left, in the center, and on the right, and we knew it could be controversial to choose either party's candidate for the top office in the nation. But in an era of sweeping presidential power, we must weigh in on this most important political race in the country. Standing on the sidelines is no longer an option for us.

I'm proud to announce today that the HSLF board of directors -- which is comprised of both Democrats and Republicans -- has voted unanimously to endorse Barack Obama for President. The Obama-Biden ticket is the better choice on animal protection, and we urge all voters who care about the humane treatment of animals, no matter what their party affiliation, to vote for them.

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) has been a solid supporter of animal protection at both the state and federal levels. As an Illinois state senator, he backed at least a dozen animal protection laws, including those to strengthen the penalties for animal cruelty, to help animal shelters, to promote spaying and neutering, and to ban the slaughter of horses for human consumption. In the U.S. Senate, he has consistently co-sponsored multiple bills to combat animal fighting and horse slaughter, and has supported efforts to increase funding for adequate enforcement of the Animal Welfare Act, Humane Methods of Slaughter Act, and federal laws to combat animal fighting and puppy mills.

While McCain's positions on animal protection have been lukewarm, his choice of running mate cemented our decision to oppose his ticket. Gov. Sarah Palin's (R-Alaska) retrograde policies on animal welfare and conservation have led to an all-out war on Alaska's wolves and other creatures. Her record is so extreme that she has perhaps done more harm to animals than any other current governor in the United States.
https://community.hsus.org/humane/notice-description.tcl?newsletter_id=2...

(really worth reading the whole article.)

MM..LOOK IT UP...

You don't have to 'let my posts slide' if you don't want to..but understand that I work during the day and don't have time to restate the obvious all the time - especially since the facts you want are easy enough to look up yourself..if you really want to know...

ghettodefender. Pur pus.

Instrumental in the passing of the following legislation:

National Automobile and Highway Traffic Safety Act (1965)
Clean Water Act (1968)
Clean Air Act (1970)
Co-Op Bank Bill (1978)
Law establishing Environmental Protection Agency (1970)
Consumer Product Safety Act
Foreign Corrupt Practices Act
Mine Health and Safety Act
Whistleblower Protection Act
Medical Devices safety
Nuclear power safety
Mobile home safety
Consumer credit disclosure law
Pension protection law
Funeral home cost disclosure law
Tire safety & grading disclosure law
Wholesome Meat Act
Natural Gas Pipeline Safety Act
Federal Coal Mine Health and Safety Act
Wholesome Poultry Product Act
Occupational Safety and Health Act (OSHA) 1970
Safe Water Drinking Act
Freedom of Information Act
National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act

Founded or sponsored the following organizations:

American Antitrust Institute
Appleseed Foundation
Arizona Center for Law in the Public Interest
Aviation Consumer Action Project
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Capitol Hill News Service Center for Concerned Engineering
Center for Auto Safety
Center for Insurance Research
Center for Justice and Democracy
Center for Science in the Public Interest
Center for the study of Responsive Law - 1969
Center for Women Policy Studies
Citizen Action Group
Citizen Advocacy Center
Citizen Utility Boards
Citizen Works
Clean Water Action Project
Clearinghouse for Professional Responsibility
Congress Project
Congress Watch
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Connecticut Citizen Action Group
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Critical Mass Energy Project
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Disability Rights Center
Equal Justice Foundation
Essential Information
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Fisherman's Clear Water Action Group
Foundation for Taxpayers and Consumer Rights
Freedom of Information Clearinghouse
Global Trade Watch
Government Purchasing Project
Health Research Group
Litigation Group
Multinational Monitor
National Citizen's Coalition for Nursing Home Reform
National Coalition for Universities in the Public Interest
National Insurance Consumer Organization
Ohio Public Interest Action Group
Organization for Competitive Markets
Professional Drivers (PROD)
Professionals for Auto Safety
Public Citizen
Pension Rights Center
Princeton Project 55
PROD - truck safety
Public Citizen's Visitor's Center
Public Interest Research Groups (PIRGS)
Resource Consumption Alliance (conserve trees) 1004
Retired Professionals Action Group
Shafeek Nader Trust for the Community Interest
Tax Reform Research Group
Telecommunications Research and Action Center

that you still have not gotten the fact that I'm not voting for Ralph Nader...

So I'm watching Obermann. Jonathan Alter actually brought up Mckook's temper. Also, he wonder why Keating hasn't been a focal point.

and you aren't voting for McCain
and you aren't voting for Obama...

You are going to the voting booth for the Peace and Freedom Party. I read your comments and value them greatly.

even if your vote offs a few kittens and puppies.

SJ and I have said it before numerous times.

If you decide to log in at the bottom of a comment here on the blog where it says

Login or register to post comments

you will have to go through the captcha.

If you go to the right hand column to the User Login between Recent Open Mics and Recent Audio where it says "User login", you should get no captcha.

>>Matthews Can Really Be A Dumb Fick

that's a great graphic, but it is a bit large for the blog.

alot of people have screen resolutions that only allow an image of 400 pixels wide with our `stretching the blog.

your's is 700 pixels wide.

you probably know that you can adjust the width of the image by adding ` width = 400 ' to the img src= statement.

thanks.

btw, it doesn't effect me, I have a great big monitor.

Worst fall for dollar since January 2, 2001
Chris in Paris · 9/22/2008 08:21:00 PM ET · Link
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Brace yourself for plenty more days of record highs and lows. Today was not one of the good days.
At $1.48 per euro, the dollar was down 2.6 percent, its steepest decline against the euro since Jan., 2, 2001. The dollar index was also down 2.6 percent.
It's hard to believe it was down to $1.38 barely more than 10 days ago.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/26841323

Y'know, you people don't HAVE to get the blinders!

They give out X-ray specs too!

I may have met him once or twice, back in the '70's; he was a family friend and associate. I voted for him twice, for president - not because i thought he could 'win', but because he's nobody's fool, and would raise issues and solutions that no corporate candidate could.
same reason i backed kucinich and biden in the recent primary race.
find a transcript of Ralph's Green Party acceptance speech from august 1996. it's all there -
i agree it's never enough to be 'right'... but someone needs to be out there with the knowledge and insight to put oncoming disasters into context.
people forget that Ralph has probably already saved as many human lives as jonas salk with his automobile safety crusade alone.

in much the same way that al gore could be more effective out of government than inside it, i think nader is and always has been more effective as a public citizen and an example for the rest of us.

i don't think he has an ego, in the ordinary sense.

He didn't 'spoil' florida in 2000, either.

Yeah, Chubbs, I am always pretty mindful of that, but it didn't really work as well in a small rez I figured I'd shrink it after a while..

or not...

maybe I'll just drink beer and smoke pot until I fall asleep, instead.

yeah..

Arrgh! Did anyone read my friggin rant? This is as serious as a heart attack. It's no longer about our little ticks and twinges! This massive hard -hard- worked for country has been given the last straw, the line in the sand. This is no longer something to talk about. We are at the edge. We need some answers and NOW! We can't really talk to god and get answers to this! We know that the shit is in a bucket over the doorway, but yet we still want to believe we can open the door and the shit will magically dissipate. Maybe we will just get hit in the head with an empty bucket. Not this time! Tell that to the Iraqis! The shit is all hot and steamy and is just waiting for the fan to hit the all hell break loose mode.
I want to go to DC and sit there and wait for the eviction of the traitors and the war criminal trials.
There is no more lala land. They want our asses lock stock and barrel. I can only hope that I am wrong. If anyone else wants to go let me know.

>>It's hard to believe it was down to $1.38 barely more than 10 days ago.

you know what will really blow your mind?

When Jimmy Carter was president you couldn't exchange all the Euros in the world for a single dollar bill!

It's true!

From: The Immoral Minority

Inappropriate Scarah Palin cartoon

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2008/09/tis-is-most-inappropraite...

There's always Soma

Love The Farve but,not tonight..

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

>>Yeah, Chubbs, I am always pretty mindful of that, but it didn't really work as well in a small rez I figured I'd shrink it after a while..

I am familiar with this quandry.

I usually make the image small and add a link so people can go to another page to read the text.

Submitted by treebu on Mon, 09/22/2008 - 8:33pm.
There's always Soma
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U.S. Americans?

Reader Mail about McCain's health
John Aravosis (DC) · 9/22/2008 06:30:00 PM ET · Link
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A reader writes:
As an emergency physician, if I were taking care of a 72-year-old man with a history of melanoma who was having episodes of confusion I would be extremely concerned. High on my priority list would be to get a brain MRI to look for metastatic melanoma. When melanoma metastasizes it commonly goes to the brain. I do not think the American people should decide whether or not to vote for Senator McCain until he has had a brain MRI and we know the results.

Here's a quote from emedicine.com on melanoma:

"Melanoma has an increased incidence among other systemic cancers in terms of metastasizing to the brain. About 40-60% of patients with melanoma will have brain metastasis. Melanoma commonly metastasizes to the brain. Melanoma cells are closely related to CNS cells due to their embryonic origin and neural crest cells, and they share common antigens such as MAG-1 and MAG-2. After melanoma is detected in the brain, median survival is 3 months. These metastases are poorly responsive to all treatments."

http://www.americablog.com/2008/09/reader-mail-about-mccains-health.html

I think that's the name of my mattress....

Speaking of, I'd better check on the ol' nest egg...

.

Deriding opponent John McCain as a late convert to regulating Wall Street, Barack Obama used his speech here Monday to try to burnish his own reform credentials, vowing that as president he would attack abusive practices in Washington, from no-bid contracts to revolving-door lobbying.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=797605

Here in Green Bay there was a fired-up, sharp delivery that struck home with the people-not captured in Mr. Gilbert's article. Obama got much more specific as to what he intends-most of all there was a repeated populist rapport as our next POTUS stressed the need for change came from the people and recalled the reform and progress that originated historically from the Wisconsin Plan. He has heard the voice of the people, that voice was strongly restated in his speech.

He was impressive today. He tore up the characteristics of greed from the Great Depression to Reagan to the Decider.

Never Mind! I'll take my idea elsewhere. Sorry to bother!

that actually sounds like fun.... And you may have read my car is paid for so I can make it there on fry grease.

>>Arrgh! Did anyone read my friggin rant?

Rant, what rant?

exactly where is this rant we are supposed to know about?

Yeah...you lost me at "bucket of shit falling on my head", treebu...

>>MMRUles does it just to be
new
Submitted by Chubby Bubba on Mon, 09/22/2008 - 7:34pm.
>>MMRUles does it just to be mean, I'm sure of that. He is an evil, evil man! ;)

*******

I'd love to stay & argue..Not really..
But,I have a game to watch..

You can't do the McCain,Wall St.buyout 24/7
or,your hair will catch on fire..

Now to go watch so neanderthals beat the Bejeebees out of each other..

Cheers.. :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Ex-Official: $9 Billion in Iraq Reconstruction Funds Lost to Fraud

A former top Iraqi official told U.S. senators today that roughly $9 billion in American money meant for reconstruction projects was involved in waste, fraud and abuse.

Salom Adhoob, a former chief investigator at Iraq's Commission on Public Integrity -- which is considered the equivalent of the FBI in the United States -- said at a hearing of the Democratic Policy Committee today that he and his agency had done investigations showing the money was misused in fraud and abuse. In one case, he said the Iraqi Ministry of Defense helped create front companies to funnel the money.

Adhoob said that at the Iraqi Ministry of Defense, some Iraqi officials got kickbacks in contracts to buy such things as bulletproof vests and Humvees. Some of the deals, he said, involved U.S. contractors, and the equipment often didn't arrive or was damaged.

In other instances, U.S. reconstruction projects "never existed" or were poorly built or incomplete. He said in one case $24.4 million was spent on an electricity project that "existed only on paper."

Adhoob also said that Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki blocked corruption investigations into kickbacks that benefited Iraqi officials and that U.S. officials in Iraq "turned a blind eye" when told of the problems with U.S. funds.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/22/AR200809...

>>Yeah...you lost me at "bucket of shit falling on my head", treebu...

I still can't find it on this page!

Where the hell is it!?!

I like rants, I'm prone to have them myself!

today's 'soma'.

cuts across all socio-economic strata.

chargers already losing i cant watch

I just don't get the excitement of calf roping...

Now...extremely hungry tiger roping...

..that I could get behind

I said all along that
Submitted by treebu on Sun, 09/21/2008 - 6:23pm.
And again
Submitted by treebu on Sun, 09/21/2008 - 9:56am.
We need to throw the lot of the thieves out of the houses, the white house , house of representatives and senate. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. These liars and common ordinary bank robbers - should be jailed because of flight risk- and brought to trial- not released until they first give back all of the truckloads of money they walked off with. I don't care if they are off shore, swiss banked or under their 10000.00 mattresses in their 10000 luxury homes and yachts. Do we just sit here and let this happen? Where is everybody? I suggest we all stop working and head down to Washington and sit in front of our - that is- our houses until these freeloaders are evicted and moved to the place that all war criminals and common bank robbers go. And yes the nasty CEO scrooges that took over businesses so that they'd be shut down and consolidated into one fascist company, need to hand back their golden parachutes, so that we can pay off they debts they so viciously trainloaded into the offshore banks. Well if the world demands that those banana republics pile up all their loot and send it back to their rightful owners, do you think they would say no? There is a giant elephant farting in the living room and don't know about you but I can't breathe

CNN poll: GOP takes brunt of blame for economy; Obama gains

By a two-to-one ratio, Americans blame Republicans over Democrats for the financial crisis that has swept across the country the past few weeks, a new national poll suggests.

That may be a contributing factor to an apparent increase for Sen. Barack Obama over Sen. John McCain in the race for the White House.

In a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey out Monday afternoon, 47 percent of registered voters questioned say Republicans are more responsible for the problems currently facing financial institutions and the stock market, with 24 percent saying Democrats are more responsible.

One in five of those polled blame both parties equally, and 8 percent say neither party is to blame.

The poll also indicates that more Americans think Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee, would do a better job handling an economic crisis than McCain, the Republican presidential nominee.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/22/cnn.poll/index.html

Thanks..

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

I am so angry! Can you tell? How about a lawyer protest? Like in Pakistan?

Could you do my old eyes a favor and maybe put some spaces in your rant.

It's much easier to read for me. I tend to sometimes scroll things that are hard to read.

treebu's rant:
"We need to throw the lot of the thieves out of the houses, the white house , house of representatives and senate. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting the same result. These liars and common ordinary bank robbers - should be jailed because of flight risk- and brought to trial- not released until they first give back all of the truckloads of money they walked off with.

I don't care if they are off shore, swiss banked or under their 10000.00 mattresses in their 10000 luxury homes and yachts. Do we just sit here and let this happen? Where is everybody?

I suggest we all stop working and head down to Washington and sit in front of our - that is- our houses until these freeloaders are evicted and moved to the place that all war criminals and common bank robbers go. And yes the nasty CEO scrooges that took over businesses so that they'd be shut down and consolidated into one fascist company, need to hand back their golden parachutes, so that we can pay off they debts they so viciously trainloaded into the offshore banks.

Well if the world demands that those banana republics pile up all their loot and send it back to their rightful owners, do you think they would say no? There is a giant elephant farting in the living room and don't know about you but I can't breathe."

no strings, no oversight, no accountability... they don't even have to spend it to pay down their endangered mortgages... and they don't have to pay it back.

Okee, sorry. You have it right. That's the way I think , (and talk). I will try in future.

Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden says the National Guard deserves a stronger voice within the Defense Department, given its role in the war on terror.

In a speech to the National Guard Association of the United States conference in Baltimore on Monday, Biden noted that more than half of the veterans of Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom are guardsmen and reservists. ...

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/sep/22/biden-calls-for-stronger-voi...

I try to read everything, but the trolls if I can help it. I don't always get to all the posts but I read most of them.

By the way, I agree with your rant. I still can't travel far but it's a great idea!

Union leaders say a National Rifle Association film crew tried to coerce West Virginia miners into bad-mouthing presidential hopeful Barack Obama on camera, and that the union plans a brief work stoppage in protest.

The United Mine Workers will call for the stoppage at Consol's Blacksville No. 2 mine next week, union President Cecil Roberts said Monday at a news conference with representatives of Obama's West Virginia campaign in Charleston.

Roberts said the union, which has endorsed Democrat Obama for president, is unhappy that Consol allowed the camera crew to ask miners leading questions about the candidate such as: "What do you think about losing your Second Amendment rights?"

"This, I think, is an attempt to try to twist the facts here," he said. "We're just hoping people aren't misled." ...

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/sep/22/umw-plans-stoppage-over-nra-...

Save this one for when Sam forgets he has a blog again

http://samsedershow.com/node/3828

i read your rant, it was a good one.

timing is everything.

do the unexpected.

patience is a virtue seldom achieved but essential in every endeavor.

you ain't the lone ranger.

>:(
Yeah? Well I hear he's bad
Mmm, he's good bad, but he's not evil

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