Prickly

WOW!
Let me tell the others there is a NEW THREAD

is hard
am i the first to say so?

go gee i aint mad at you

my partner does though.
I'd ask her but she just left.

How's it going with the puppy???

he LOVES skype..even thru his number up on of the past threads..SJ he always calls you...can i get his number too? i need some advice on my medication else i will loose it

sounds like a REAL McAsshole.
Prick

gotta take a walk in the park

excellent blog from Carol Davidek-Waller

http://resetnow.blogspot.com/

If you were wondering why "No Impeachment"?

"According to Cindy Sheehan, her opponent in the upcoming election, Pelosi is in hot water over the Bayview Hunter’s Point landgrab, along with two of her nephews, Gavin Newsome Mayor of San Francisco and Lauence Pelosi who was VP of Acquistions for a slimy developer Lennar. It’s one of the dirtiest land deals ever. It isn’t her first landgrab and an investigation would problaby end her career.
Pelosi was the one who nominated Emmanel for leadershsip within the Democratic Party. Pelosi’s grandfather was a German Jew who escaped to Argentina. Emmanuel has duel citizenship with Israel. These two keep the Democratic Party kowtowing to AIPAC whose interests are not the interests of the US or even American Jews. They are the interests of Israel’s Likud Party who fund and advise AIPAC.
Sheehan tolld me Pelosi cut a deal with the White House. She promised Bush that Democrats wouldn’t impeach if Bush would keep the DOJ off her back. So far both seem to have kept their promises.
It has been widely reported that Pelosi has threatened to remove Conyers as head of the House Judiciary Committee if he went against her."

you language Nazi! :)

But I will apologize to cent for the unfortunate mall incident.

That's funny because I was gagging (as usual) today watching Morning Joe the editor from TIME was talking all bout how this McCain issue was centered around the theme of "honor".

I guess the "honorable" McCain stepped all over that. Apparently he's got so much honor that even asking him to define it is dishonorable.

Honor demands that he not honor honoring honor.

speeches tonight. What a great end to the convention. He has nothing to lose as he holds no offices.

Happe Talk

great post. sounds like a giant clusterfuck! I would love it if that turns out to be true. In the meantime, I have to wonder, what is keeping Conyers from calling her bluff? party unity? his seat on the committee?

If she's corrupt why wouldn't he want her outta there?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD_2e1dIl2s&feature=related
Happe Talk

You can say that again.....

Honor demands that he not honor honoring honor.

Submitted by smcgee43 on Thu, 08/28/2008 - 12:56pm.
...Honor demands that he not honor honoring honor.

Microsoft warns of IE8 lock-in with XP SP3
Also notes other problems, including crashing Windows Live Mail
By Gregg Keizer

August 28, 2008 (Computerworld) Microsoft Corp. yesterday warned users of Windows XP Service Pack 3 (SP3) that they won't be able to uninstall either the service pack or Internet Explorer 8 (IE8) under some circumstances.

The warning was reminiscent of one Microsoft made in May, when Windows XP SP3 had just been made available for downloading. At the time, the company told users they wouldn't be able to downgrade from IE7 to the older IE6 browser without uninstalling the service pack.

In a post to the IE blog today, Jane Maliouta, a Microsoft program manager, spelled out the newest situation, which affects users who downloaded and installed IE8 Beta 1 prior to updating Windows XP to SP3. If those users then upgrade IE8 to Beta 2, which Microsoft unveiled today, they will be stuck with both IE8 and Windows XP SP3.

A warning dialog will appear to alert users. "If you chose to continue, Windows XP SP3 and IE8 Beta 2 will become permanent," Maliouta said. "You will still be able to upgrade to later IE8 builds as they become available, but you won't be able to uninstall them."

She recommended that users instead first uninstall Windows XP SP3, then uninstall IE8 Beta 1; they should then reinstall XP SP3 and follow that by installing IE8 Beta 2.

It's unclear how many users the warning is aimed at. Although users running Windows XP and IE8 Beta 1 could manually download and install Service Pack 3 from Microsoft's site, the company set its Windows Update service so that it didn't offer SP3 to systems with IE8 Beta 1.

Windows XP users who do have the first beta already on their machines will be offered the update to Beta 2 via Windows Update if they have Automatic Updates enabled, Maliouta continued. "A prompt in your Windows task bar will alert you when IE8 Beta 2 is ready for installation," she said.

Windows Vista users, however, will not see IE8 Beta 2 in Windows Update because update apparently cannot sniff out instances of IE8 Beta 1 and uninstall them automatically. Instead, users must remove Beta 1 manually, said Maliouta.

Several additional updates are required before installing IE8 Beta 2 on Vista, including one that, if omitted, blocks its installation entirely. That fix, a revised version of a Vista Service Pack 1 (SP1) prerequisite that earlier this year sent machines into an endless series of reboots, is also necessary for IE8 Beta 2; users with SP1 will, of course, already have it in place, but those running pre-SP1 versions of Vista must still install it.

Microsoft also spelled out a long list of IE8 Beta 2 known issues and compatibility problems in release notes it posted on its support site Wednesday.

Ironically, of the nine applications called out as incompatible with the new IE8, the only two that will lock up and crash are Microsoft's.

Visual Studio .Net Version 7, said Microsoft, will crash on a PC that also contains IE8 Beta 2. "No workaround is currently available," Microsoft said in the release notes.

The other Microsoft incompatible application is Windows Live Mail, formerly called Windows Live Desktop, and the desktop mail client meant to replace Outlook Express and Windows Mail. "If you install Internet Explorer 8 Beta 2, Windows Live Mail will crash when you create or reply to an e-mail message," Microsoft warned.

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&...

My Friends!

McCain POW-POW-POWs In Response To Economy Question
By Greg Sargent - August 28, 2008, 11:42AM
POW-POW-POW hyperinflation alert!

In an interview with KDKA radio in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, John McCain POW-POW-POWed when asked about charges that he's an elitist who's out of touch with the American worker on kitchen-table issues.

McCain: Well you know I have town hall meetings all the time, everywhere across this country, and I hear from people....
And in all due respect my friends, I know what it's like to not have a house, I know what it's like not to have a kitchen table. I know what it's like not to have a table or a chair. For five and a half years, I sat in a cell with nothing but concrete floor and three boards to sleep on.

This underscores again the degree to which the McCain campaign wants the discussion about the economy to morph into a conversation about character, rather than a discussion of, you know, actual policy differences. Dems say McCain's policies show that he's out of touch with the real needs of working people. McCain replies that his POW past shows he knows what it's like to struggle, which he hopes will settle the question of whether he's out of touch or not.

Once that question has been settled to McCain's satisfaction, there's no longer any need to meaningfully engage in an argument about what our understanding of what it's like to struggle should lead us to actually do to alleviate people's economic problems on a policy level.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/mccain_powpowpow...

so it's now on us to honor honoring the onerous?

no way!

Shortly.

Thursday, August 28
Race Poll Results Spread
National Gallup Tracking Obama 48, McCain 42 Obama +6

This would represent data from Wednesday. Thus possible impact of last night's speeches not yet reflected.

http://airamerica.com/thomvision/

Obama 278 McCain 247 Ties 13
Senate Dem 56 GOP 43 Ties 1
House Dem 242 GOP 193

Happe Talk

CodePink Protester Is Slammed To The Ground by Police in Denver
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/08/27-18

what a slimy-bitch

I heartily approve of this approach--when I'm playing Scrabble and it's my turn.

in 13 days.

Is Kate Moss a Republican?

He was talking about the arrests being made in Denver
What the fuck gives those cock - suckers the right to be
like that?? Oh yeah - - BLACKWATER Training
coming soon to a town near YOU!

What was that gal doing on that video??? I didn't see her
doing anything wrong

Obama Campaign Redacted Kucinich Line on Jailing GOPers

But Obama staffers redacted one line suggesting Republicans should be jailed. The line read, “They’re asking for another four years—in a just world, they’d get ten to twenty.”

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http://kucinich.us/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=46&Itemid=5...

Yeah, I saw that already. Is that from the time the police claim that protesters "charged the vehicle" (according to Randi)and so "deserved it"? I wonder what their definition of "charged" is. Anyway the woman clearly was not a threat at the time he pushed her.

I wonder what the hell is wrong with Randi.

Too bad there's no video from a few minutes before that. If there was, I guess it would have surfaced by now. (?)

Randi is all into Randi

China agrees $3bn Iraq oil deal

Iraq and China agreed the renegotiated terms of an old deal signed in 1997 [AP]

Iraq and China have agreed the terms of a $3 billion oil service contract, Iraq's oil minister says, announcing the first major oil contract with a foreign firm since the fall of Saddam Hussein.

The deal means China has taken the first opening since the US-led invasion for work on the world's third-largest reserves.

Hussain al-Shahristani, Iraq's oil minister, warned that time was running out for big Western oil firms, which have jostled for years for Iraqi contracts, to seal even the short-term deals that were expected to mark their return to the country.

Also--
Hydroelectric deal

China's state hydroelectricity firm also signed a deal to build a new hydroelectric power station in Tajikistan on Wednesday worth up to $300 million officials said.

"The Chinese company undertakes to carry out the design and construction of the Nurobod" power station in eastern Tajikistan, read a memorandum of understanding signed by Sinohydro and the Tajik government.
http://english.aljazeera.net/business/2008/08/200882813538226440.html

Scrabble!?
O noes ya dont!
Rules must be followed!!
Order must be maintained!!!

McCain Adviser Sums Up Health Plan In 2 Words: Emergency Room
John Goodman, who helped craft McCain's health policy, has an easy solution to the problem of the uninsured: simply stop categorizing them as uninsured since they have access to emergency care.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/mccain_advisor_e...

I think she is taking a straight party line position this week. I heard a caller ask her if she has visited Amy at Denver. She said NO!!! with a real 'as if' tone. But, other times I've always heard say positive things about DN>

New Ad From South Carolina GOP Is All About McCain's POW Past
By Greg Sargent - August 28, 2008, 1:25PM
To our knowledge, this new ad from the South Carolina Republican Party is the first ad to focus exclusively on McCain's POW captivity.

The spot hits directly back at Obama for his criticism of McCain's number-of-houses flub: Video at Link

This is the story of a John McCain home you might not know about," the ad opens, and follows with footage dramatizing McCain getting shot down. After showing shots of a prison cell, the spot continues:

"This is where John McCain was starved, beaten, tortured, and maimed for life. So the next time Barack Obama talks about one of John McCain's homes, remember this one."

The ad closes by saying that it was paid for by the South Carolina GOP, suggesting it's up on the air. We're trying to get details on the buy, if there is one, but even if there isn't, the spot is noteworthy. It suggests that surrogates in the states will soon start pushing the POW-POW-POWing in earnest, in a way that even McCain himself might not be willing to do.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/new_ad_from_sout...

Health care plan revised from earlier one word plan-- POW.

Brazil reserve ruling delayed

Indigenous Brazilians attended the
hearing in the Brazilian capital [Reuters]

Brazil's supreme court has delayed a ruling over the future of a tribal reserve on the country's northern border until later in the year.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2008/08/200882803929948224.ht...

Fox: Bush might not speak at RNC on Monday because of Gustav.»
President Bush is scheduled to speak at the Republican National Convention on Monday, but with Tropical Storm Gustav expected to hit Gulf coast, the White House is beginning to hint that President Bush might not speak that day. Fox News’ Bret Baier reports today that there “are conversations underway” at the White House about whether Bush “will in fact speak on Monday.” Watch it:

At Link

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/28/bush-gustav-rnc/

Yeah, I definitely got that from her.

But what I wonder is, she doesn't think we'll notice the big difference(or care)?

It's one thing to accentuate the positive, even not to go see Amy at this point in time.

But excusing police brutality that everyone can see on YouTube is a little over the line already. What about her credibility in the future?

For those people who believe in a vengeful god, Jamaica must have really pissed him off.

Look at this storm track picture and tell me that Jamaica isn't the unluckiest island in the Caribbean.

http://www.weather.com/maps/news/atlstorm7/atl7stormtrack_large.html

back on the mostly full strength tubes

moved again, Barbara (the north scottsdale house mate) said "I don't care what you think" to me one to many times.

got a tv

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Jamesbennett

University's Plans for Milton Friedman Institute Spark Outcry

By Kari Lydersen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, August 28, 2008; Page A03

CHICAGO, Aug. 27 -- Plans by the University of Chicago to establish a research institute named after legendary free-market economist Milton Friedman have caused an uproar at the school on the city's South Side.

More than 100 tenured faculty members have signed letters and a petition opposing the institute, which would be paid for by private donations and would conduct research in economics, medicine, public policy and law. Critics say that they are concerned the institute will be a partisan, elitist organization and that it shouldn't be under the auspices of a university.

"There are a lot of aspects that look like a right-wing think tank. I'm very worried about that possibility," said Bruce Lincoln, a professor of the history of religions who helped draft the letters and petition. "People are concerned about the blurring of the line between Friedman's technical work in economics and his fairly well-known persona as a political advocate of a very pure, free-market conservative or neoliberal position, where the market is the solution to everything."

The institute was launched this summer with about half a million dollars in university seed money and is seeking $200 million in private donations of $1 million or more.

The opponents' petition voices concerns that wealthy donors would have inordinate influence over the institute's research. The petition also said that Friedman-esque positions, such as privatization of Social Security, would be foregone conclusions, and that the state and nongovernmental organizations would be regarded with "distinct suspicion."

University Provost Thomas Rosenbaum said such fears are unfounded.

"Donors will receive reports and attend lectures, but they won't belong to the institute," he said. "They will have nothing to do with its direction, and no economist worth their salt would take that kind of direction anyway. We will bring in people from all over the world with all different approaches."

The institute was proposed by the economics faculty last year and approved by various faculty committees, Rosenbaum said. But, in June, faculty members from a variety of disciplines sent a letter to the university asking for a meeting. After a summer meeting with the university's president, Robert J. Zimmer, which Lincoln described as "unsatisfactory," they demanded that the issue be aired in a meeting of the faculty senate.

Zimmer agreed to convene the senate in the fall, for the first time since 1998. Rosenbaum said the senate meeting won't necessarily result in concrete changes to the institute but will involve "talking more broadly about the intellectual portfolio of the university." The senate is made up of all faculty members.

In some ways, the fight over the institute is fitting. Friedman, a longtime professor at the university's economics department who was awarded a Nobel Prize in 1976 and died in 2006, was always a lightning rod. His laissez-faire philosophy prompted him to describe as unjustified such government actions as rent controls, Social Security, minimum-wage laws and the military draft.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/27/AR200808...

I always expect the worst. But if the GOP has to waste money on ads in SC I'm encouraged.

I wish BO would spend some of that record amount of money here in MI. McLiar's ads are on continuously. Five Mc ads to one BO ad.

Katrina/Gustav/NOLA/McCain's birthday? Coincidence or diabolical weather manipulation?

That George Soros owns a weather machine and he's using it to embarrass the GOP!

NEW THREAD!
http://www.samsedershow.com/node/3656#comment-246880

Submitted by Fernando on Thu, 08/28/2008 - 2:11pm.
Katrina/Gustav/NOLA/McCain's birthday?
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And Hanna.

(Try to keep up, Fernando.)

Well I'm glad she's on the air. But my gut reaction is: What credibility?
I wish her continued success, but she's not on my hit parade.

http://www.samsedershow.com/node/3656#comments

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Jamesbennett

Good to see you here. Hope things smooth out for you now.

The Republicans are going to finish where Hillary left off and shatter the glass ceiling! Love it!

The Republicans are the REAL feminists in this country!

McCain picks female running mate

At 44, she is younger than Barack Obama and is credited with reforms during her first term, but she is relatively unknown in US politics.

Announcing Mr McCain's decision, his election website said Ms Palin had "brought Republicans and Democrats together within her administration [in Alaska] and has a record of delivering on the change and reform that we need in Washington".

She also opposes abortion and one of her sons has Down's Syndrome.

Her electoral chances may be harmed by the fact that she was placed under investigation in Alaska by state lawmakers at the end of July.

She sacked a public safety commissioner and the allegation is that she sacked him because he had not fired a state trooper who is Ms Palin’s former brother-in-law, and who is in a custody battle with her sister.

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Jamesbennett

is she just in her first term still?
America
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Jamesbennett

Mika Brzezinski just said, about Palin,

"she is the epitome of the modern woman"

good gravy, man!

and the announcement seemed live

yet the guardian article was posted an hour before and had quotes from them...?

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Jamesbennett

Fox: Alaska is Next to Russia!
Yes she does have foreign policy experience, says Fox's Steve Doocy. Alaska is right next to Russia!!!

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/211284.php

just getting your attention....

I find page 2 to be counterintuitive.

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Jamesbennett

Palin Could Prompt McCain Flip-Flop on Drilling
By Zachary Roth - August 29, 2008, 12:04PM
Since he began his campaign, John McCain has abandoned just about every position on which he had displayed his independence from President Bush. But his opposition to drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) had, until recently, been perhaps the last remaining evidence of the maverick McCain.

His choice of Alaska governor Sarah Palin as his running-mate could well end that. The Weekly Standard this week described Palin as "the nation's most prominent advocate of drilling in ANWR," the wildlife refuge that environmentalists see as one of America's most precious natural wilderness areas (though she admits it would take at least 5 years to have any).

In a June interview with CNBC, Palin judged that McCain was likely to "evolve" into supporting drilling. That now looks prescient. Earlier this week, McCain told the Standard that he's considering flip-flopping on his anti-drilling stance, and that he plans to talk to Palin about the issue.

Indeed, it looks like the Bush administration is too pro-environment for Palin. Earlier this month, the state of Alaska sued the federal government for listing the polar bear as an endangered species.

Palin's husband, Todd Palin, is a production operator for BP on Alaska's North Slope.

Update: The oil industry seems to agree. The Institute for Energy Research, an industry-backed group, just sent out the following message to reporters: "FYI: John McCain's selection of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his running mate naturally places ANWR energy production front and center in the policy debate once again. Visit IER's website for facts on ANWR oil and gas estimates, arctic production technologies, wildlife
statistics, and more."

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/palin_could_prompt_mcc...

Anyone who thinks gender trumps ideology is only offending both genders.

Her 18 months of 'executive experience' governing over the 60,000 or so Alaskans that actually voted for her, doesn't hold up to Obama's millions of supporters, or Biden's 36 years of experience.

She's embroiled in scandal, both directly and indirectly.

She doesn't know when to quit having kids, even though she's too old.

And ooooh! I hope Tina Fey comes back to host the first SNL of the season, as Sarah Palin!

To think McCain can woo Clinton supporters by picking just any woman in politics?!

That's only going to piss liberals off more...

Palin 2/24/08 interview on the span 1

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Jamesbennett

jbenet,

I listened to a local ultra-conservative radio call-in show this morning. They are stunned. They are confused. They don't know who the hell Sarah Palin is. They can't imagine the logic of placing her a heartbeat away from a 72 year old President.

I can summarize their collective impression of the V.P. pick with, "Huh?"

Anti-abortion, gun-toting, beauty-queen...sounds like most women I know

yes...Sarah Palin is the everywoman

thx!

It's a funny rethug world

makes me feel giddy.

She's saying (span-1)drill in anwar(sp) now
and was ragging on exxon for justice delayed for the valdise spill 19 years ago.

That is the alaskin mind set. So much land so much stuff for man to use.

Now... how to make Juno a more accessible capitol [have to fly in or take a ferry.]

Maybe move it to Kansas?

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Jamesbennett

Fox: Alaska is Next to Russia!
Yes she does have foreign policy experience, says Fox's Steve Doocy. Alaska is right next to Russia!!!

I just thought of something?

Obama's been campaigning for President for as long as Palin's been Governor of Alaska!

I don't get it. A V.P. is supposed to be a heartbeat from the Presidency.

Someone the party would've run if the main choice wasn't available.

Does anyone think Palin would've made a good Presidential nominee?

Lots and lots of people would still put Joe Biden (or Hillary Clinton) as second or third choice for the Presidential run for the Democrats.

How many people would've supported "Palin for President" a year ago, if McCain, Romney, and Huckabee weren't available?

NO ONE.

She is not a viable choice; McCain (with Rove's help) just threw this election, short of outright cheating.

Watch out for what they have planned for 2009...

[re all three elected officials are under investigation. ]

and "I'm all about that..."

you'd never hear McCain say that phrase.

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Jamesbennett

We had our moment last night and today the bastard McFeeble with the MSM's help did a one up on the Dems.

I'm telling you, don't get too cock sure. The nation is still split.

I knew the glow was too good to be true!

no way I'm giving them anymore credit...the country isn't split...not by a longshot

PREGNANT!

According to a guest as well as caller on the Thom Hartmann Show.

Well!

Since Ms. Palin is a right-wing, creationist Christian, there is only one way this could have happened.

IMMACULATE CONCEPTION!

JEEBUS CHRIST!

span 1

bush authorized fema funds to LA for the storm that hasn't hit yet

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Jamesbennett

Maybe time away will give me perspective.

Later

the tipping point for no page 2

: )

sam must be en-route

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Jamesbennett

I meant to say - Sarah Palin's 17 year-old daughter is pregnant. At least that is what was said on Hartmann.

Keith and Chris are probably taking the weekend off...Andrea is gushing all over the big surprise...

Even though she can't pronounce her name correctly...

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Reporter: "Would you be interested in serving as Vice President, if asked?"

Palin: "Uh, y'know, I really doubt that such a thing would happen, y'know? I keep...we gotta keep this thing in perspective. I'm a hockey Mom from Alaska; do you really think that it's even in the realm of possibility to be tapped? So, just considering that, the reality there. Doubt it's ever going to happen, so I don't really have to contemplate such a thing; I get to concentrate on my job, which I love, which is serving the people of Alaska..."

UPDATE: Now MSNBC is parroting FOX...Palin has LOTS of executive experience,(18 months?!?) someone you'd wanna have a beer with (isn't she still breastfeeding?)and Alaska is so close to Russia, so that must count as foreign policy experience...

Can't they see McCain is trying to throw the election?

Gidget does Washington.

Is not something to be proud of. Why let others raise your children. I think that is a moms job. Part of the reason kids are so fucked up these days is the whole latch key issue.

Happe Talk

good to read ya.

"Can't they see McCain is trying to throw the election?"

was one of my first reactions.

She has better looking legs than he does was my second

BAGHDAD — U.S. forces have arrested a deputy of Ahmad Chalabi, who was once the Bush administration's favorite Iraqi politician, and implicated him in bombings that killed Americans and Iraqis, Chalabi and Iraqi government officials said Thursday.

The U.S. military alleged that the arrested official was working with the "highest echelons" of the Iranian "special groups" criminals, referring to what the U.S. military says are Iranian-backed militias operating in Iraq.
Chalabi condemned the arrest Thursday night. "This incident shows the need for an end to the random arrest of Iraqis by the American forces, which are against the human rights outlined in the constitution. It proves for a fact that each Iraqi might be arrested or put in prison without knowing the reasons," he said in a news release. He couldn't be reached for further comment.

Sadrist Party politicians also were critical of the arrest, charging that it would give Saddam's followers better access to the government. "It is a message for the Baathists to go on in their wrongdoings," said Bahaa al Araji, a Sadrist member of parliament. "This guy was doing his job perfectly. . . . He's served his country by all his efforts since 2003."

Chalabi once had an enormous following among conservatives in Congress and the Bush administration. Vice President Dick Cheney and the Pentagon touted him as a potential head of state in Iraq and used intelligence from his exile group, the Iraqi National Congress, to build the case for invading Iraq. However, much of that information was found to be bogus. U.S. military and diplomats curtailed contact with Chalabi in May at Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki's request.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/iraq/story/51031.html

to some.

I wouldn't rip to hard on Miss 1st Runner-Up for that Alaskan gas pipline she was talking about. Unless I am mistaken, it is the same one Obama mentioned in his speech last night.

See ya....

Huh?

she could easily end up in the oval office.

and if she's forthright and honest how's she going to deal with the corporate rulers?

is she just currupt enough to be pushed around?

the old boy networks are already going WTF? where did this come from?

who would be third in line?

Submitted by AirBall on Fri, 08/29/2008 - 1:56pm.
==
sometimes it's like herding cats to get people to use an older thread.

[speaking of cats, I'm missing alice.]

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Jamesbennett

Republican on MSNBC is arguing that Palin has much more experience than Joe Biden because all he did was run committees in the Senate.

By this logic Palin has much more experience than John McCain.

-Atrios 13:19

Got an appointment with the sweeper.

presence here.

Happe Talk

Ex-marine acquitted in Iraq deaths

Nazario was charged in the deaths of four unarmed detainees in Falluja in 2004 [AFP]

A former US marine has been acquitted of voluntary manslaughter in the killing of unarmed detainees in Iraq four years ago.

The acquittal of Jose Luis Nazario Jr came after six hours of jury deliberations in the first-of-its-kind federal trial in a California court on Thursday.

Nazario was charged with killing or causing others to kill four unarmed detainees in Falluja during some of the fiercest fighting of the war in Iraq in 2004 which saw house-to-house fighting.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2008/08/2008828234640926649.h...

Classic strategy, point to Palin's weakness and make it sound like a great strength, take your opponent's strength and belittle it and make it look like a weakness. I think taht is going to be pretty hard to stick to Biden.

Someone on NPR this morning claimed Obama was doing that to McCain last night on foreign affairs but in this case, he wasn't lying about it.

"Palin as diversion, and only a diversion

Submitted by Janet on Fri, 08/29/2008 - 1:53pm.

I can't help but think with all we've come to understand about campaign research into running mates, that Palin was chosen for the extreme nature of her resume. Maybe we've been living in Rove America too long, but I think that she was chosen because the infant is a built in excuse to switch her out just before the election, leaving little analysis of the "last minute" replacement. I think this is just a Rove joke."

ya turd blossom is devious...

38 million watch Obama speech (more than the Olympic opening ceremony)
Barack Obama's acceptance speech at the Democratic National Convention was seen by more than 38 million people.

Nielsen Media Research said more people watched Obama speak than watched the Olympics opening ceremony in Beijing, the final "American Idol" or the Academy Awards this year. Obama talked before a live audience of 80,000 people in Denver.

so hello again

let's talk experience, then...

Conservatives are...

MMRules, the joke I made was off of your mispelling of the word further. A person would have to be Crank bait or something to get it.

"You got father than I did.."

>>Does anyone think Palin would've made a good Presidential nominee?

It all depends on how she does in the swimsuit competition.

watta choice

regarding her "lack of experience," but a new poll out just now shows that most white male Republicans want to fuck her.

LOL.

Even Scarborough called her a Harriet Miers. Ouch.

bbl~

Palin is an non-transparent attempt to sway the PUMA voters.

I bet the RNC types figure PUMAs are just as sexist as they are.

and they might just be...

The comment about Palin having foreign policy experience because she lives near a foreign country, Russia...

Well, we currently have a president who lived by another foreign country, Mexico.

and look how THAT has worked out...

given Palin as a distraction what sneaky awful stuff is "W" sliding under the rug today?

>>a new poll out just now shows that most white male Republicans want to fuck her.

be fair, Mr. Boy, I'm sure there are PLENTY of log cabin lesbians who'd like to tap that, too! ;)

>>given Palin what sneaky awful stuff is "W" sliding under the rug today?

Nuclear attacks on Russia and Iran?

Submitted by Sunshine Jim on Fri, 08/29/2008 - 2:54pm.
given Palin...
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Submitted by Chubby Bubba on Fri, 08/29/2008 - 2:54pm.
>>iven Palin...
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This could be a first.

The Rajah has managed to typo someone else's typing.

From: Alberta Jennings
To: Harold Jennings
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 10:03:14 AM
Subject: Fw: Surprise!

I don't get this?

--- On Fri, 8/29/08, Gary Jennings wrote:

From: Gary Jennings
Subject: Surprise!

Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 9:52 AM

Mrs. "Smith" goes to Washington!

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

My reply:

I assume he's referencing McCain's pick as VP?

Most of the bloggers are calling it political suicide.

The press wants this thing to drag out until the end, though, so they'll pull their punches.

Meanwhile, the press is bewildered that McCain's news has 'completely stolen the spotlight'...even though they control the spotlights?

Journalism in this country went in the toilet when they decided that 'making the news' is a bigger story than the actual news is...

But in regards to Gary's statement, I don't think 'Mr Smith' had state corruption investigations following him to D.C...

And the golden question: Would Gary vote for Sarah Palin for PRESIDENT, over Romney, Clinton, Obama, Huckabee, etc?

'cause that'd be her most important job, being President. Not just to be a political tool to get McCain elected. And if his answer is 'no', then how could she be Vice-President?

She nearly lost the Governor's race in Alaska; she could barely get 60,000 votes.

But besides a few rightie older ladies who were on the fence anyway; I don't see what she brings to his campaign, except problems.

Everyone on the Democratic side is trying not to offend anyone by busting up laughing. (a Republican strategist just claimed she's more ready to be President than McCain, Obama or Biden)

---And just now, I've heard Governor Heather Wilson agree with another Republican; Palin is more qualified to be President than Obama, Biden, and apparently by default, McCain?!

Really? 20 months as Governor of one of the least populous states, 1 mayoral term of a tiny town, and some school board experience is all you need to be President?

And I thought you needed to at least have an MBA, or sunk a Baseball franchise, or be Governor in a big state (even if they do gimp their executives) and/or have a DUI or a Daddy in the CIA...

I could go on and on...this VP choice makes Bush Jr and even Quayle seem like geniuses.

Palin in the Green Room

NEWSWEEK'

, and her feelings about Sen. Hillary Clinton. (She said she felt kind of bad she couldn't support a woman, but she didn't like Clinton's "whining."
http://www.newsweek.com/id/156190

Heading for N'orleans looks like.

Dogger walk request from Ruzzalyn, Queen of the North!

and a presdential candidate born in one (Panama)

the inspector was just here!

oh, boy, oh, boy!

and the electric has apparently passed the code, but...

there was a change to the building code between the time the original box was hung and now.

Why does this matter? Because the new code says the box can be no closer than 3 feet from the porch.

which is a foot and a half away...

Not Every Woman Supports Women's Rights

Excerpt:

In a gubernatorial debate, Palin stated emphatically that her opposition to abortion was so great, so total, that even if her teenage daughter was impregnated by a rapist, she would "choose life" -- meaning apparently that she would not permit her daughter to have an abortion.

Palin also had to withdraw her appointment of a top public safety commissioner

Gov. Palin may be the second woman vice-presidential candidate on a major party ticket, but she is not the right woman. Sadly, she is a woman who opposes women's rights, just like John McCain.

The fact that Palin is a mother of five who has a 4-month-old baby, a woman who is juggling work and family responsibilities, will speak to many women. But will Palin speak FOR women? Based on her record and her stated positions, the answer is clearly No.

In a gubernatorial debate, Palin stated emphatically that her opposition to abortion was so great, so total, that even if her teenage daughter was impregnated by a rapist, she would "choose life" -- meaning apparently that she would not permit her daughter to have an abortion.

Palin also had to withdraw her appointment of a top public safety commissioner who had been reprimanded for sexual harassment, although Palin had been warned about his background through letters by the sexual harassment complainant.

What McCain does not understand is that women supported Hillary Clinton not just because she was a woman, but because she was a champion on their issues. They will surely not find Sarah Palin to be an advocate for women.

con't

http://www.now.org/press/08-08/08-29.html

>>They will surely not find Sarah Palin to be an advocate for women.

I don't think so.

those PUMAs are insane,

Just like at closing time at the bar, any woman will do.

Palin Pick Leaves Bruised Feelings

By Anne E. Kornblut
DENVER -- Though it was high in shock value, the Palin pick left bruised feelings among the short-list contenders who were not picked -- and infuriated some Republican officials who privately said McCain had gone out on a limb, unnecessarily, without laying the groundwork for such an unknown. Two senior Republican officials close to Mitt Romney and Tim
Pawlenty said they had both been rudely strung along and now "feel manipulated."

Even some former Clinton supporters said Palin would not automatically draw disenchanted women voters -- and would face fierce pushback from the Obama campaign over her conservative social views.

"I know Hillary Clinton, and Sarah Palin is no Hillary Clinton," Debbie Wasserman Schultz said in a phone interview with NBC.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/29/palin_pick_leaves_...

and these points are demonstration right here in this blog:

Palin:
Steps on Obama's claims to have been a reformer, as he reformed nothing (much less the corrupt mare's nest of Chicago arrangements), while she was a dragon-slayer up in Alaska.

Palin:
As a mother of five, one a Down Syndrome baby, helps her side take on the Democrats on abortion extremism and the Born Alive bill.

Palin:
As a pro-life super-achiever, puts feminists in a tizzy.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/482nfe...

Governor Sarah Palin Knew Charles Kopp Was A Sexual Predator, But Tapped Him To Be Alaska's New Commissioner Of Public Safety Anyway
Update July 22nd: Charles Kopp issues statement denying he is a sexual harasser and claims the hugs were platonic. Updated post HERE.

Update July 25th: Charles Kopp resigned, updated post HERE.

On July 21st, 2008, KTUU Channel 2 aired two reports that provide at least credible circumstantial evidence that Governor Sarah Palin knew that former Kenai Police Chief Charles Kopp was a sexual harasser, but chose to overlook it and appointed him the Alaska Commissioner of Public Safety anyway.

Governor Palin has made it clear from the beginning that she was aware of the allegation of sexual harassment levied against Kopp while he was Kenai Police Chief, but she hired him anyway under the apparent belief that it was an anomaly. Her decision was fueled by Kopp's repeated assertion that nothing came of it, that no suits were filed and that no formal disciplinary action against him was taken.
http://alaskapride.blogspot.com/2008/07/governor-sarah-palin-knew-charle...

Dragon Slayer?

pray tell, what dragons did she slay while she ignored Ted Steven's graft?

As Governor she'd have more jurisdiction over Alaska's corruption than US senator Obama had over over the city of Chicago.

Palin's pick for V.P. would be moot if the Republican ticket loses the General Election. At best, Palin will have had her name thrust into the national arena which will be a boost to her political career.

Barring something big happening between now and November, I believe that McCain has almost no chance of winning.

My current guesses are 50/50: There is a 50% chance that Obama will win by a slim margin owing to the polarized electorate that has been fostered by Rove-inspired divisiveness in recent years. There is a 50% chance that Obama will win by a large margin due to the underpolling (or no polling) of cell phone users under 35-years-old.

and now this prooves it...Problem is McCain doesn't know it

Happe Talk

Did Palin Really Fight The “Bridge To Nowhere”?

Republicans have been touting Sarah Palin's reformist credentials pretty heavily, with her supposed opposition to Alaska's "Bridge to Nowhere" Exhibit A. But how hard did she really fight the project? Not very, it seems. Here's what she told the Anchorage Daily News on October 22, 2006, late in the race for the governor's seat (via Nexis):

5. Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?

Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now--while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.

So she was very much for the bridge and insisted that Alaska had to act quickly—the party of Ted Stevens and Don Young might soon lose its majority, after all. By that point, though, the project was endangered for reasons that had nothing to do with Palin—the bridge had become a national punchline, Congress had stripped away the offending earmark, shifting the money back to the state's general fund, and future federal support seemed unlikely.
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/08/29/did-palin-re...

Obama had a 61.5 chance of winning...it is not so close....

I think you are right about Palin being a statement more than anything.

Happe Talk

>>I always thought mccain was the throw away candidate

I'm starting to think the RNC wants to throw the election. They don't want to be associated with the bitter medine our country will need to heal the ills caused by the Bush administration.

After the MSM Carter-izes Obama for 4 years, they think the low-info voters will be be ready for the `no new taxes' thing again.

>>right about Palin being a statement more than anything.

a statement?

or a punchline?

(you decide)

If Ralin is a statement, that statement is: We're desperate, we'll try anything.

I don't believe there's such an animal. Lesbian Republicans sure (Mary Cheney). But LCR I think is a de facto boy thing.

Pwned. I knew it meant owned, but why the p (as apposed to any other letter). Does anybody know? Just because it's an explosive sound?
(I'm so glad somebody finally asked about this.)

I think it is short for `pounded', as in pummeled.

there'd be another _but_ (with provisos [I'm not Bill Maher]) in paragraph one.

>>Log cabin lesbians...I don't believe there's such an animal.

OK, how about stucco cottage republicans?

Yeah you know now I remember that it sounds a little like the noise boys made when narrating their fights in grade and middle school as in:

"He said 'boom' and I said 'PYOW!!!!' (It was kind of a laser gun sound.)"

has to be because P is next to O on the keyboard; pwned is a derivation of "owned"

Yeah I though of that. And then it just caught on--you're saying?

Ah...folk etymology.

Now I have to check all the lexicography sites. I wonder if American Dialect Society still has a listserv.

Palin Pick Leaves Bruised Feelings

DENVER -- Though it was high in shock value, the Palin pick left bruised feelings among the short-list contenders who were not picked -- and infuriated some Republican officials who privately said McCain had gone out on a limb, unnecessarily, without laying the groundwork for such an unknown. Two senior Republican officials close to Mitt Romney and Tim Pawlenty said they had both been rudely strung along and now "feel manipulated."

"They now know that they were used as decoys, well after McCain had decided not to pick them," one Republican involved in the process said.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/29/palin_pick_leaves_...

are there a lot of dykes in stucco cottages by you?

We hardly ever get the stucco here, in Cville. Lots of red brick. LOTS.

Watching c-span. Gary Hart's panel on Foreign Policy and National Security.

Listening to these great minds talk about Foreign Policy makes me wonder about McCain's choice.

This is one of the worst times in U.S. history to be taking over the presidency. We have Domestic problems, Foreign policy problems, Financial problems and energy problems. How can this woman even think she is ready to be vice-president let alone the possibility that she could be president. McCain is feeble minded and she is out of her class.

Submitted by gloryoski on Fri, 08/29/2008 - 4:12pm.
...Pwned. I knew it meant owned, but why the p (as apposed to any other letter). Does anybody know? Just because it's an explosive sound?
(I'm so glad somebody finally asked about this.)
------
The urbandictionary.com link that someone provided listed in the first definition of pwnd that the p is adjacent to the o on the keyboard which caused a typo that caught on as a joke.

Other definitions following the first definition offer different theories (power-owned, for instance) and even an alternate spelling: pwned.

Look it up and take your pick.

>>has to be because P is next to O on the keyboard; pwned is a derivation of "owned"

yes, you are right.

>>are there a lot of dykes in stucco cottages by you?

Are there a lot of gay men living in log cabins where you live?

you know, when you dissect a joke it really takes the fun out of it.

Submitted by gloryoski on Fri, 08/29/2008 - 4:25pm.
are there a lot of dykes in stucco cottages by you?

We hardly ever get the stucco here, in Cville. Lots of red brick. LOTS.
---------
Red brick looks like a red flannel shirt.

Coincidence?

all this time I thought the swing vote was for people who trade partners.

did you see the update on my power situation?

perhaps this is a better comparison:"

Go, read, and enjoy the photo:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/29/123623/259/991/578717

Pawned as in pawn shop.

>>His name was Spiro Agnew, and he remains the only man ever to resign in disgrace from the vice-presidency.

Too bad Cheney is incapable of feeling shame or disgrace.

>>Pawned as in pawn shop.

not even mentioned in the urban ditionary.

"McCain is feeble minded and she is out of her class."

This should be treated as McSame's Harriet Miers moment except I don't think he can pull Bush's ol' bait and switch this time...he's stuck with her! y'never know the depths of these guys' retardedness, though...one thing is for sure, their incompetence can never be underestimated!

Submitted by Chubby Bubba on Fri, 08/29/2008 - 4:34pm.
did you see the update on my power situation?
--------
As your Samoan attorney, I advise you to move the porch.

Crank Bait disease...

at first glance I thought "she is out of her class." was "she is out of her dress."

shows where my head's at...

>>As your Samoan attorney, I advise you to move the porch.

problem is...the porch is built between the porch and an outbuilding.

Probably will have to remove it entirely and possibly replace it with a much narrower one.

or move the power boxes a few feet down the wall.

still no new thread and this one is due for a `page 2' soon...

Maybe someone can email incubus. Sam's probably traveling. Trying to get out of Denver will be difficult.

38 Million
By Eric Kleefeld - August 29, 2008, 2:37PM
That's the estimate of how many people watched Obama's acceptance speech last night, according to Nielsen -- and that doesn't include people who watched on PBS or C-Span.

That's more Americans than watched the Olympics opening ceremony, the season finale of American Idol, or the Oscars.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/08/obamas_speech_seen_by_38_milli...

Submitted by Chubby Bubba on Fri, 08/29/2008 - 4:53pm.
...or move the power boxes a few feet down the wall.
--------
If the wire has already been pulled (installed) and there is not an extra few feet of wire coiled behind the box for every circuit (there isn't...trust me) and you don't have a wire stretcher (no one does), moving the panel is an insane idea if it can be avoided.

If all of the circuit wires travel away from the panel in the direction that the panel needs to be moved (they don't...they never do, trust me), then moving the panel would actually be shortening the wires, which would be possible but still insane.

I kinda got the impression that your "new" rehabbed electrical work got caught in the code requirements squeeze between meeting current (no pun intended) codes and the panel location being grandfathered-in as "existing." Is this true?

There is a good chance that they will let the panel location slide since all of the other upgrades have been met, especially if not all of the wiring that has previously been connected to the panel has been replaced (it sorta meets the definition of "existing" if not every circuit from the panel is newly installed).

Have some fresh-baked chocolate chip cookies nearby when the inspector arrives.

Obama's Convention Bounce Grows
By Eric Kleefeld - August 29, 2008, 1:08PM
Today's Gallup tracking poll shows Barack Obama continuing to enjoy a convention bounce, and it may still be growing.

The numbers: Obama 49%, McCain 41%, well outside the ±2% margin of error. Yesterday, Obama was up by a 48%-42% margin, after having fallen behind McCain by two points in Gallup just as the convention was beginning. This morning's Rasmussen poll had Obama moving into a 49%-45% lead.

Note that this is a three-day sample that is just starting to take into account the impact from Bill Clinton's full-hearted endorsement of Obama, and we have yet to see any polling from after Obama's big speech last night.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/obamas_conventio...

That reminds me:
Get out of Denver - Dave Edmunds (MP3 - 3.2MB)

Submitted by toniD on Fri, 08/29/2008 - 5:19pm.
38 Million
By Eric Kleefeld - August 29, 2008, 2:37PM
That's the estimate of how many people watched Obama's acceptance speech last night, according to Nielsen -- and that doesn't include people who watched on PBS or C-Span.
--------
I read (somewhere) that the 38 million total does not include the Internet viewers or TiVo recordings or viewers outside of the U.S.A.

Today's Gallup tracking poll shows Barack Obama continuing to enjoy a convention bounce, and it may still be growing.

The numbers: Obama 49%, McCain 41%, well outside the ±2% margin of error. Yesterday, Obama was up by a 48%-42% margin, after having fallen behind McCain by two points in Gallup just as the convention was beginning. This morning's Rasmussen poll had Obama moving into a 49%-45% lead.

Note that this is a three-day sample that is just starting to take into account the impact from Bill Clinton's full-hearted endorsement of Obama, and we have yet to see any polling from after Obama's big speech last night.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/obamas_conventio...

Hide, or try to, your crimes.

Echoes of Bush
I mentioned earlier that Gov. Palin is in the thick of her own very Bush era scandal over her attempts to have her ex-brother-in-law fired as a state trooper, using her clout as governor. Now we've learned she's invoked the Alaska version of executive privilege to withhold emails dealing with the case. Our report on the latest on the case will be coming up shortly.

--Josh Marshall

She'll keep a shooting!

Alaska Report News / UPI / February 1, 2008

Palin Wants to Keep Alaska's Aerial Wolf Program

The aerial predator control program has resulted in the death of more than 700 wolves in the program's five years.

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (UPI) -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is supporting state legislation to end lawsuits by groups opposed to the shooting wolves from planes.

Supporters said the bill would simplify the language in Alaska's predator control laws, aimed at boosting moose and caribou populations for hunters. Critics such as the conservation group Defenders of Wildlife said the legislation would allow predator-control expansion across the state, the Anchorage Daily News said Wednesday.

http://www.wolfsongnews.org/news/Alaska_current_events_2583.html

John McCain's selection today of Alaska governor Sarah Palin as his vice presidential running mate is further evidence that a McCain presidency will be just another four years of the same old Bush-style anti-choice policies. We can't let McCain-Palin continue George Bush's rigid and extreme anti-choice legacy.

Help defeat John McCain and Sarah Palin, and help NARAL Pro-Choice America protect choice at every level. Donate today.

https://secure.prochoiceamerica.org/site/Donation2?df_id=3582&3582.donat...

State will sue over polar bear listing, Palin says

SPECIES STATUS: Unreliable data, threat to energy development cited.

By DAN JOLING
The Associated Press

Published: May 22nd, 2008 01:26 AM
Last Modified: May 22nd, 2008 10:10 AM

The State of Alaska will sue to challenge the recent listing of polar bears as a threatened species, Gov. Sarah Palin said Wednesday.

She and other Alaska elected officials fear a listing will cripple oil and gas development in prime polar bear habitat off the state's northern and northwestern coasts.

Palin argued there is not enough evidence to support a listing. Polar bears are well-managed and their population has dramatically increased over 30 years as a result of conservation, she said.

Climate models that predict continued loss of sea ice, the main habitat of polar bears, during summers are unreliable, Palin said.

con't

http://www.adn.com/polarbears/story/413710.html

He was so quick to jump down the PUMA throats during the convention and laugh at them, calling them out on the basesless Muslim attacks and as obvious Republican plants.

Now he has Queen PUMA Darragh Murphy on his show as a panelist AND invites her back.

whatta joke!

Palin’s financial portfolio managed by Smith Barney.Filed Under: Economy
By Satyam at 4:40 pm Palin’s financial portfolio managed by Smith Barney.

Yesterday at the Democratic convention, a former Republican named Barney Smith — who lost his job because it was shipped overseas — spoke of the need for a “president who puts Barney Smith before Smith Barney.” Watch it: at link

On the Wonk Room, Ben Furnas reports that, ironically, Gov. Sarah Palin’s (R) financial portfolio is managed by none other than financial giant Smith Barney, which helped finance Enron Corp. The “reform-minded” Palin has now signed up to vouch for McCain’s Norquist agenda of $300 billion in tax cuts for the ultra-wealthy.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/29/palins-financial-portfolio-managed-b...

Scandal-Plagued Ted Stevens Endorses Palin For VP, Says He’s ‘Known And Worked’ With Her ‘For Over A Decade’
In a statement announcing the choice of Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate, Sen. John McCain’s campaign emphasized that “in Alaska, Governor Palin challenged a corrupt system.” But that claim was undermined today when Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK), who was indicted last month for not reporting gifts from an Alaskan oil company, endorsed her as McCain’s vice president. Stevens said that he had “known and worked” with Palin for “over a decade”:

Senator Stevens said: “It’s a great day for the nation and Alaskans. Governor Palin has proven herself as a bright, energetic leader for our State and will bring the same energy to the Vice Presidency. She will serve our country with distinction - the first Alaskan and first woman on the Republican ticket. I share in the pride of all Alaskans.

“I have known and worked with Sarah for over a decade - from her service as Mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, in her role as president of the Alaska Conference of Mayors, and most recently as our Governor. She is attentive to her job and family, brings people together, and is able to make tough decisions.

But Palin was unable to make a “tough decision” after Stevens, who had supported her run for governor, was indicted. In July, she told reporters that it “would be premature” to call for his resignation. She just wants him to give “a fuller accounting” of his relationship with VECO Corp., the oil services company that gave him unreported gifts.

Palin also has ties to VECO. When she ran for lieutenant governor in 2002, “she gathered $5,000 — or about 10 percent of her campaign fund — from Veco officials or their wives,” including $500 from CEO Bill Allen. Allen gave Stevens expensive gifts over the years, including “a new Viking gas grill and a new tool shed full of tools.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/29/palin-stevens-veco/

Update TPM's Greg Sargent notes that Palin's has now been scrubbed of Stevens' endorsement ad.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/palin_ad_starrin...

Well! It's not very creative. It sounds like Great Balls of fire or Good Golly Ms. Molly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmKgITJejfg

Submitted by 60th Street on Fri, 08/29/2008 - 6:05pm.
---

Tweety is a coward without ounce of courage. He likes to keep shite going. But most of all, he is a butt-lick of power. Once, while appearing on Jay Leno, he spoke about a child who got to meet Arnold Schwarzenegger. He gushed, while telling Leno - how that child must of felt to be around all of that power.

John S. McCain has nominated a distraction as his Vice President.

An anti-choice... pro-creationism... pro-guns... fairly centrist ideas on the rights of gay men and women... has a bunch of kids... is the SNL Church-Lady kind of distraction.

Oh, yes, and she happens to have a vuh-jay-jay, which seems to have everyone in a twitter.

Because without the crevice where the joystick would be, she'd just be the unknown governor from the cold state that goes in that weird little box in the bottom left corner of the map.

...

She doesn't help win a state.

She doesn't win a demographic.

She doesn't even get you into a movie theatre with a ten percent discount.

She is a distraction, there to add Noun-Verb-Mother-Of-Five to Noun-Verb-POW.

Nothing more and surely, much, much MUCH less.

.... but Biden background news / heard on Mallory's show last night/Thurs./8-28-08 and then I looked it up .... (but does it matter after the selection of Palin?) ... this from Biden's 2007 appearance on Meet the Press

http://tinyrevolution.com/mt/

"Posted at 02:37 PM | Comments (39)
August 27, 2008
BREAKING: New Biden Plagiarism Scandal!!! MUST CREDIT TINY REVOLUTION!!!
Accusations that Joe Biden was guilty of plagiarism during his 1988 presidential campaign seem to be mostly bogus.

However, I've uncovered recent, genuine plagiarism by Biden, during his 2007 Meet the Press appearance to announce his 2008 run for president.

What did his plagiarize? All of Dick Cheney's most egregious lies about Iraq and WMD:

MR. RUSSERT: I want to go back to 2002, because it’s important as to what people were saying then and what the American people were hearing. Here’s Joe Biden about Saddam Hussein: “He’s a long term threat and a short term threat to our national security.”
“We have no choice but to eliminate the threat. This is a guy who is an extreme danger to the world.”

“He must be dislodged from his weapons or dislodged from power.” You were emphatic about that.

SEN. BIDEN: That’s right, and I was correct about that. He must be, in fact—and remember the weapons we were talking about. I also said on your show, that’s part of what I said, but not all of what I meant. What I also said on your show at the time was that I did not think he had weaponized his material, but he did have. When, when the inspectors left after Saddam kicked them out, there was a cataloguing at the United Nations saying he had X tons of, X amount of, and they listed the various materials he had. The big issue, remember, on this show we talked about, was whether he had weaponized them. Remember you asked me about those flights that were taking place in southern Iraq, where—were they spraying anthrax? And, you know, what would happen? And, you know, so on and so forth. And I pointed out to you that they had not developed that capacity at all. But he did have these stockpiles everywhere.

MR. RUSSERT: Where are they?

SEN. BIDEN: Well, the point is, it turned out they didn’t, but everyone in the world thought he had them. The weapons inspectors said he had them. He catalogued—they catalogued them. This was not some, some Cheney, you know, pipe dream. This was, in fact, catalogued. They looked at them and catalogued. What he did with them, who knows? The real mystery is, if he, if he didn’t have any of them left, why didn’t he say so? Well, a lot of people say if he had said that, he would’ve, you know, emboldened Iran and so on and so forth...

Now, the rules of the road either mean something or they don’t. The international community says “We’re going to enforce the sanctions we placed” or not...

So I did not believe he had weaponized his materials. But he did have material that, in fact, could theoretically be weaponized. And to let it sit there at the time, I wanted the inspectors back in to force him that position of having to give it up.

So many lies. Just keeping track of them is exhausting.

1. "When the inspectors left after Saddam kicked them out..."

The UN weapons inspectors were withdrawn at the direct request of the US so that the US could bomb Iraq in Operation Desert Fox.

2. "[T]here was a cataloguing at the United Nations saying he had X tons of, X amount of, and they listed the various materials he had...he did have these stockpiles everywhere."

The UN never said Iraq still possessed WMD. Biden is talking about documents prepared by the UN about the theoretical maximum amount of biological and chemical weapons Iraq could have produced before the Gulf War in 1991.

For instance, Iraq only admitted in 1995 that they had an offensive biological weapons program. Iraq also claimed they'd destroyed all the relevant material in 1991, and provided some though not conclusive evidence for this. The UN discovered that they'd imported a certain amount of growth media, and calculated how much anthrax they could have produced if all of the growth media had been used for anthrax at maximum efficiency.

Of course, humans never do anything at maximum efficiency. And there was evidence Iraq indeed had everything destroyed in 1991, and no evidence it hadn't. And even if Iraq hadn't destroyed it, it would have remained dangerous for only a few years after 1991, so there would have been no reason whatsoever for Iraq to keep it.

Again: the UN never said what Biden claims it did.

3. "[E]veryone in the world thought he had them. The weapons inspectors said he had them."

"Everyone in the world" thought Iraq had WMD in the same sense "everyone in the world" thought Joe Biden should run for president in 2008—ie, everyone Joe Biden spoke to. The rest of humanity, no.

Just for instance, the head of the CIA's WMD section privately believed that Iraq had "not much, if anything."

And here's a story from October, 2002:

With a tense Mr Blair alongside him at his dacha near Moscow, the Russian president took the unusual step of citing this week's sceptical CIA report on the Iraqi military threat to assert: "Fears are one thing, hard facts are another"...
After confirming his foreign ministry's assessment that No 10's Iraqi dossier "could be seen as a propagandistic step" to sway public opinion, he made it plain.

"Russia does not have in its possession any trustworthy data that supports the existence of nuclear weapons or any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and we have not received any such information from our partners as yet. This fact has also been supported by the information sent by the CIA to the US Congress."...

"There may be a difference of perspective about weapons of mass destruction, there is one certain way to find out and that is to let the inspectors back in to do their job. That is the key point on which we are both agreed," Mr Blair said.

So Blair explicitly stated Russia didn't agree with the US and UK claims, but everyone agreed the inspectors should return. Later this morphed into "everyone in the world" believing Iraq had WMD.

There's a lot more to say about this tiny subject; if fact, you could write a long article about it. Perhaps one day I will, if someone's ever willing to pay me.

And just to repeat myself: "The weapons inspectors" never said "he had them."

4. "What he did with them, who knows?"

"What he did with them" is explained in excruciating detail in a 1000-page long CIA report. "What he did with them" turned out to be exactly what Iraq had been claiming since 1995.

The CIA report, which is available to anyone with an internet connection, came out three years before Joe Biden said this on TV. The US government spent $1 billion on it.

5. " [I]f he, if he didn’t have any of them left, why didn’t he say so?"

Iraq screamed at the top of its lungs for twelve years that it didn't have "any of them left." Iraqi officials said it on American TV over and over again throughout the nineties and in many reports submitted to the UN. They said it again in the 10,000-page report Iraq submitted in December, 2002 to the UN. Saddam Hussein said Iraq had nothing in an interview on 60 Minutes in February, 2003, and then again in Arabic on Iraqi national TV.

In fairness to Biden, however, the Iraqi government did refuse to send someone to the moon to say it there.

6. "Now, the rules of the road either mean something or they don’t. The international community says 'We’re going to enforce the sanctions we placed' or not."

The core of the Iraq-WMD issue was that the US had announced, over and over and over again, that the "rules of the road" didn't mean anything. According to the relevant UN resolutions, the sanctions imposed before the Gulf War in 1991 would remain in place until Iraq had disarmed. However, the George H.W. administration (including Robert Gates, then national security advisor) immediately announced the US would never allow the sanctions to be lifted as long as Saddam was in power. The Clinton administration repeatedly said the same thing.

This caused problems from the Gulf War onward, because our policy was directly at odds with international law, and guaranteed Iraq would have no incentive to cooperative with inspections.

7. "But he did have material that, in fact, could theoretically be weaponized."

He did not have material that, in fact, could theoretically be weaponized.

IN CONCLUSION: These are not the type of higher quality lies I've long hoped an Obama presidency would give America.

ALSO: Tim Russert was the greatest journalist who's ever lived.

—Jonathan Schwarz"

Takecare .....

Peace

Deborah from Kansas

Does he wear the apron of the family or what? Haven't seen anything on him, or did she feed him too the wolves?

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Was that great or what?

:-)

I had to go searching on tvguide.com to even FIND OBAMA ON THE FUCKING TV!!!

Found him on MSNBC...

He was awesome.

The only thing is, what I gather from his speech is that he's conflicted. He wants Americans to be self-reliant, but then he also wants Americans to carry each other.

So, which is it?

I hope he does well, but will he really continue to flip the bird to Corporate America once he's in office? And if he does, what will that do for our place in the global market? Will it help us or hurt us? I guess I am worried...but I'm equally sure I'm not alone.

Just a spelling similarity, but still...

I noticed.

According to the Alaska TV news station KTUU where Gov. Palin “appeared occasionally as a television sportscaster,” Palin was so determined to defeat a Clean Water ballot measure this summer that she broke the law to oppose it:

It is against the law for the governor to officially advocate for or against a ballot measure; however, Palin took what she calls "personal privilege" to discuss one of this year's most contentious initiatives, which voters will decide Tuesday.

Along with taking a position on the big mine's side, Palin's administration apparently used state Department of Natural Resources resources to lobby for defeat of the Clean Water Initiative under the pretense of creating a state run website to "educate" citizens. The citizen group Alaskans for Clean Water responded by filing “a complaint against DNR for a recently-launched state website meant to clarify the issue for voters. “
http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/29/sarah-palin-maverick-for-mining-intere...

Looking forward to talking to me cousin about Palin's selection. As a Bristol Bay fishermen he is, of course, opposed to this mining operation

Submitted by GBC on Fri, 08/29/2008 - 6:33pm.
...a vuh-jay-jay...a twitter...the crevice...that weird little box...
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You should be ashamed of yourself.

(Coulda been worse, I guess. Coulda been twatter instead of twitter.)

Todd Palin, Shadow Governor of Alaska (Updated) Hotlist

This article instead details the substantial power that Todd Palin exercises within the Governor's office.

But more importantly, Todd's fingerprints on trying to impact personnel decisions appear to go beyond the current scandal revolving around State Trooper Mike Wooten.

Follow me below as we talk about one of Governor Palin's former trusted advisors, John Bitney.

Bitney went to school with Sarah Heath (now Palin) and tells a story about being in the same band class with her and was also part of her campaign for the Governor's office.

But John Bitney made the fatal employment mistake; he got on the bad side of Todd Palin.

Bitney was dating the ex-wife (or soon-to-be) of one of Todd Palin's friends. Todd Palin allegedly then demanded that Bitney be fired. Shortly thereafter Bitney worked out a deal with the Chief of Staff to transfer to another department, OUT OF THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE

On July 3, Bitney was in the process of driving his vehicle back to Juneau when he couldn't get his state issued Blackberry to work. When he arrived in Tok he called his office and was told that his Blackberry had been turned off and that his name had been removed from the state employee directory.

Continuing:

His call was then transferred into Tibbles [Chief of Staff] who told him the proposal they talked about was a no deal and the governor ordered him fired immediately. John Bitney was never given a reason why he was fired and never given a chance to make a graceful exit.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/29/155145/681/530/579154

I think that the Rethugs know they don't even have to vet their candidates because of there control of the media. Hopefully, because there is so much to work with the MSM can't completely ignore the bloggers on this.

Dem Congresswoman: McCain VP pick shows 'colossally bad judgment'
David Edwards and Muriel Kane

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) spoke by phone to NBC's Andrea Mitchell on Friday morning about Senator John McCain's selection of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his running mate.

Wasserman Schultz was a strong backer of Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primaries and is known for her interest in women's issues. She told Mitchell, "If John McCain thinks that he can substitute Sarah Palin for Hillary Clinton in the minds of Hillary Clinton supporters he's sadly mistaken. I know Hillary Clinton, and Sarah Palin is no Hillary Clinton."

"She's been governor of Alaska for eighteen months, and before that she was the mayor of a town of 8,000 people," Wasserman Schultz continued. "She's already under investigation by her state's legislature. ... They voted to spend $100,000 on an investigation, because she is accused of firing a state commissioner who refused to fire her sister's husband. ... This is not the kind of change that we need."

Mitchell pointed out that there may have been "some family abuse" on the part of Palin's sister's husband and that "she might have been protecting a victim who needed help" in firing the commissioner.

Mitchell then asked, "What about the pull of gender politics? Will there be a ... large number of women -- independents, Republicans, people who you all wanted to bring into the Democratic tent -- in suburban towns and cities around this country, who will like the idea of a woman on the ticket?"

"Women in this country don't want a candidate on the ballot just because of the parts that she has," Wasserman Schultz replied. "They want a woman candidate running for president or vice president because they support equal work for equal pay, they support a woman's right to make her own reproductive choices, they support access to children's health care, they want to make sure that we improve the quality of public education. Sarah Palin is against all of those things. So it's not just electing a woman for the sake of getting a woman in there."

Mitchell then quoted from the official McCain campaign announcement, which calls Palin a "tough executive [who's] ready to be president ... has a record of delivering on change and reform [and] has challenged the insolence of the big oil companies while fighting for new energy sources."

"Sarah Palin is inexperienced, unethical and wrong on all the issues that Americans care about," Wasserman Schultz replied. "Do we have the confidence that if, God forbid, something happens to John McCain that Sarah Palin is going to know what to do and is going to have her hands on the tiller of American foreign policy? What makes her ready to be commander in chief? This is just an example of colossally bad judgment on the part of John McCain."

"The other thing ... that's important to note," concluded Wasserman Schultz, "is there has been a culture of corruption hanging over the state of Alaska. ... Senator Ted Stevens, Congressman Don Young, Governor Sarah Palin, they are all cut from the same cloth. The last place we need to pull an elected official who wants to be vice president is the state of Alaska right now. They need to clean up their act."

This video is from MSNBC's News Live, broadcast August 29, 2008.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Wasserman_Schultz_McCain_VP_pick_shows_082...

before he chose her. Once! Says Andrea Mitchell.

Once. McCain was told to choose her by his campaign. Remember the campaign says McCain does not speak for the campaign.

kind of like dropping your bombs on the flight line of an aircraft carrier.

Makes no sense whatever....

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Jamesbennett

Rachel was just hammering that home, too, Toni.

Now that's uber-mavericky!

...no connection to the woman whatsoever...so, the second highest job in the land doesn't even require a job interview if you're a Republican, nowadays!

will tell the mccain campaign to stuff the vp choice.

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Jamesbennett

50,000 expected to protest RNC
David Edwards and Stephen C. Webster

If you thought protests outside 2008's Democratic National Convention were loud and proud, you ain't seen nothing yet. So say organizers preparing for the 2008 Republican National Convention, set to take place in St. Paul, Minnesota.

Organizers estimate 50,000 protesters are getting ready to demonstrate outside the RNC, in the largest anti-war protest planned so far this year.

"We have word that people are coming on busses and carpools, people are flying in from all over the country," said Katrina Plotz, an organizer for an RNC protest group. "We are expecting the police to uphold our right to demonstrate, to speak out against the war."

AP Correspondent Haven Daley said in a Wednesday news video that it may be difficult keeping the protests peaceful, attributing his ominous prediction to "anarchist groups" which were not named.

"We're aware of the other tactics that the other groups are doing, so we're trying to reschedule around those different activities," said Code Pink activist Nancy Mancias.

St. Paul police have prepared an open-air prison, similar to those employed by the New York City police in 2004, and the Denver police during the 2008 DNC. The facility is capable of holding hundreds for an unknown amount of time.

This video is from The Associated Press, broadcast August 27, 2008

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Protestors_prepare_for_Republican_conventi...

Lots of charm and personality but when it comes to critical thinking and acting ethically, she's in the same league as Bush.

Might I refer everyone to Crank's recent post on the Presidential Team .

She impresses me as someone who will use finesse in lieu of intellectual horsepower.
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Talk about 4 more years of the last 8....

Ah, no, Sarah Palin will not get the Clinton voters...
The right-wing is completely delusional in the belief that Governor Sarah Palin (including Palin) will get the discouraged Hillary Clinton voters because because of what the two women have in common (in the mind's of the mindless): a uterus. Palin even mentioned Clinton in the first few moments of her speech today:

Among her first words, after Mr. McCain introduced her to a crowd in Dayton, Ohio, were that Mrs. Clinton “showed such determination and grace in her presidential campaign.”

Yes Mrs. Palin, you are right in that Mrs. Clinton "showed determination and grace," but you my dear are no Mrs. Clinton.

Ah well the right wing is nothing if not entirely sexist. Yes, all women look alike, so everyone who was going to vote for Hillary will just substitute one uterus for another. No, most women are more interested in protecting their own uterus from the likes of the Sarah Palin's of this world, whose staunch stance on abortion is just a tad right of George W. Bush.

All in all, I think McCain choice of Palin has pretty much killed his chances at anything. He would have been better off going with a two-timing, charlatan like Lieberman than tapping this unqualified, corrupt, and totally hypocritical woman for her uterus. Surely if he needed a female running mate, there were other woman he could have located who are not a). under investigation for corruption, b). whose husbands are not working for big oil, and c). who appeals more to the middle class than to the end days crowed of the far right?

No matter how you view it, uterus or otherwise, do you think a person who has been Governor of Alaska for about 20 months - her total experience - should be a heart-beat away from the presidency? I cannot wait to watch the debate between Palin "I'm a soccer mom" and the steady, experienced Joe Biden.

If by some grim horror or Diebold intervention McCain/Palin should win the election, would you want a "soccer mom" to be a heart-beat away from the presidency during a time of war - especially if the president begins his term right after his 72nd birthday?

http://www.atlargely.com/2008/08/ah-no-sarah-pal.html

is up

And I could not be more thrilled! God did hear my prayers, he just got distracted (kinda like a husband). Thank you God. (And to think I was hoping for Dan Quayle!)

You couldn't make this shit up...

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Scant Coverage of Obama Assassination Plot -- Irresponsible Or Cautious?
Posted by Brad Jacobson

Was the U.S. media admirably discreet or just plain ineffectual in covering news of the arrest of three men suspected of plotting to assassinate Barack Obama during his acceptance speech at Invesco Field?

First, consider the evidence: One of the men arrested, Nathan Johnson said the other two men, Tharin Gatrell and Shawn Robert Adolph, "had planned to kill Barack Obama...on Thursday...," which was why they were in Denver, and that "Adolph was going to shoot Obama from a high vantage point using a 22-250 rifle which had been sighted at 750 yards." According to the FBI, "Johnson was directly asked if they had come to Denver to kill Obama and he responded in the affirmative." The Denver police found in their possession two high-powered rifles with scopes, 85 rounds of ammunition, a bullet-proof vest, walkie-talkies, wigs, fake I.D.s, hotel reservations near the convention and 4.4 grams of methamphetamine, an amount, however, too small to be charged with more than simple possession. (Yet, for some reason, Colorado U.S. Attorney Troy Eid put a much greater focus on this relatively little amount of meth and their use of it than on the other apparent highly incriminating pieces of evidence obtained, including Johnson's statements). All three men have long criminal records, are suspected of having ties to white supremacist groups, and one of the men, Adolph, who was on the Weld County, Colo., sheriff department's "Most Wanted" list for burglary, larceny, aggravated motor vehicle theft and other charges, has a violent criminal history and is being held on $1 million bond for outstanding warrants.

During U.S. Attorney of Colorado Troy Eid's peculiar press conference Tuesday night, he characterized the men as "just a bunch of meth heads," framing his question-and-answer session with reporters more like an anti-drug campaign sloganeer than a chief law enforcement official: "You know, I don't know, uh, bunch of meth heads get together, I don't know what they do, I don't get inside their brain. But we take them very seriously what they do. I have to just emphasize this is a group of people, there were a number of people, that are using meth. I don't know how many of you know meth, anyone here not know about meth? This is a really terrible drug. People do all sorts of stupid things on meth." He followed that response with: "There is no credible threat right now and there was no credible threat based on the evidence that we have to Senator Obama or anybody else related to what we know about this case." Asked what the weapons could be for (not to mention the ammo, bullet-proof vest, wigs, fake I.D.s, etc.), Eid answered only, "You know, I don't know what they were for and we'll keep looking into that." Eid went on to say, "You know, they didn't, they didn't reveal a plan. I think what you can see in the affidavit was, uh, a lot of racist rantings and a lot of dislike for the idea of Senator Obama as an African-American person of color being able to pursue that office."

But Eid's statement appears to be patently false. As reported by the Associated Press:

Johnson later told a federal agent that the men talked about assassinating Obama only because he was black, according to a federal arrest affidavit. Johnson said he also heard Adolf say that he wanted to kill Obama "on the day of his inauguration" and that he would "find high ground to set up and shoot Obama," the affidavit said.

That's not merely, as Eid called it, "the racist rantings of drug abusers." Rather, coupled with the arsenal found, it shows motive, intent and a plan. And, to be clear, contrary to what Eid told the press, it was in the affidavit.

Continue reading "Scant Coverage of Obama Assassination Plot -- Irresponsible Or Cautious?" »

http://www.atlargely.com/2008/08/scant-coverage.html#more

I have heard and read comments from Left and Right pundits and politicos. The comments are synonyms of one another.

McCain is putting it all on the line.
McCain is a crap-shooter, and he's playing craps with this one.
It's a gamble.
McCain needed a stunner in response to Obama's big night.
McCain's going all-in with this one.

So, no matter what mambo or Limbaugh or anyone else says, the objective opinions are nearly unanimous on both sides of the aisle: This is a Hail Mary pass that has nothing, zip, nada to do with "the best qualifications" or "the best woman for the job" or "the best person to assume a shortened Presidency."

When they say that stuff, just laugh. They know it isn't true. They're just blowing smoke.

All V.P. choices are calculated to serve several needs, but the choices are usually from a pool of people who the electorate could, if need be, imagine doing the Big Job in the Oval Office. That's usually the first method of narrowing the pool of V.P. choices.

McCain stepped outside of that tradition with who? What's her name? Isn't she the Governor of the state that has so much cash, it gives money to its citizens? How hard can it be to run a state like that?

I don't think that this is gonna work. I don't think that the Republican movers-and-shakers think that this is gonna work, either.

Now if he had tagged Michael Palin, well he's a lumberjack and he's OK!

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Submitted by maggiesboy on Fri, 08/29/2008 - 7:49pm.
Now if he had tagged Michael Palin...
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I have been consciously avoiding the Palin/Python jokes, but don't think that it isn't killing me to hold back.

>>Have some fresh-baked chocolate chip cookies nearby when the inspector arrives.

a large sack of cash may be a better bet...you wouldn't happen to have a large sack of cash laying around I could borrow?

It's cool. Pretend you're living your last day of life here and this isn't so big...
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