Maron V.Seder 3pm

I can't listen because I'm at work and my boss thought not giving me a sound card would keep me from wasting work time. HAH!

So could you post this news here, too?

Pretty please with sugar and sprinkles and oatmeal crunchy bars?

Chargers Season Schedule

Sun., October 12 5:15 pm Icon Patriots NEW ENGLAND (Buy Now!)
NBC

http://samsedershow.tv/sammy_cam.htm

mebbe a link NOT going through the other domain will work better for people

French leader proposes vote on Afghanistan troopsAP foreign, Friday August 22 2008 By LAURENT PIROT

Associated Press Writer

PARIS (AP) - France's prime minister wants parliament to vote on whether to keep French forces in Afghanistan, his office said Friday, as a new poll showed most of his compatriots want the troops pulled out after 10 died in a vicious ambush.

Prime Minister Francois Fillon will propose to the presidents of each house of parliament that legislators vote on the continuation of the French military mission in Afghanistan during an extraordinary parliamentary session that starts Sept. 22, his office said in a statement.

No date for the proposed vote was given.

The vote would be in line with a constitutional amendment passed last month requiring that any military mission longer than four months be submitted to parliamentary approval.

A survey in the daily Le Parisien on Friday showed 55 percent of respondents think France should leave the NATO mission fighting the Taliban, compared with 36 percent who say they should remain.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/7745774

http://www.samsedershow.tv works if the blog goes down again.

Melina
www.RIPCoco.com
www.BrilliantatBreakfast.blogspot.com
www.SweetJesusIHateChrisMatthews.blogspot.com

It's been taking forever to load and then I get an error page. At least i get Sammy Cam

Their big announcement is taking forever to announce...so far sammy's announced that he and maron will be doing a daily internet streaming show at least until the election

Marc talks 3 x as much as Sam and over Sam...What is going on? Does Marc have his headphones in the headphone port? Geez!

looks like thet're bargaining with going back to AAR to do the show together on the network for at least a few months in some sort of probationary period deal...jeez,

Too much cross talk...can't understand much...

hello

or just marc...

Happe Talk

but I will have a clean recording of it as soon as it is done. I got it off of the .tv site but I'm using Sam's http://smackchannel.com/aar3.html code to do it.

Maron is looping....
This is great news tho. Maybe sammy can post the info...

Melina
www.RIPCoco.com
www.BrilliantatBreakfast.blogspot.com
www.SweetJesusIHateChrisMatthews.blogspot.com

AAR? Sigh! I'm not so sure about this. I hope they're making the right decision... I was hoping to hear that news but about Nova-M.

Actually, I was hoping to hear they were getting their own show on MSNBC but I was pretty sure that wasn't gonna happen...

I hope this is available in the archive when I get home tonight!

So frustrating!

finally on blog and able to hear the broadcast...

I really hope it's worth the effort...

http://www.samsedershow.com/vod

Looking forward to their show(s)...Sam said the vid of the convention coverage will be going through the AAR servers, so this blog problem won't happen.

starts 3PM Monday

their daily show launches sometime in September in partnership with AAR,er, 4.0, I guess..Marc mentioned new management and a smaller company

The blog gets bogged down because there were about 190 people on it at the same time. I don't know if the Sammy Cam flow hits the blog also. Some people just watch the Sammy Cam.

They need better technology because I couldn't hear Sam and Marc's alway too loud.

It might be just me but too much of Marc's personal life. And too much talk over.

Is this a really long break?

did the audio cut out?

this is not entertaining by any stretch of the imagination.it seems like 5 minutes since I heard anything...and that seemed like Marc was talking to someone but it wasn't broadcast worthy.

this sucks.

Gotta get offline now. I guess I'm looking forward to their show, too. I hope for Marc's sake that third time is the charm!

Submitted by Chubby Bubba on Fri, 08/22/2008 - 3:57pm.
finally on blog and able to hear the broadcast...
I really hope it's worth the effort...
------
The Rajah has been keyboarding his fingers to the bone.

wants to watch..I am pacific...follow the link below. we will be talking about philosophy of life stuff. and recovery

Happe Talk

Denver, Colorado

Thursday
Mostly sunny. A 10 percent chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 80s

I hope all this tech stuff gets worked out. That was really rough. (I was hoping they were going to Nova M too.)

So do I have this right?

Go to AA website at 3pm ET, next M-F, and listen to Sam (from the convention, in a tent) and Marc (from his home) talk about the DNC.
Great!!

Then, sometime in September, and again on AA website, listen to Marc and Sam do an internet variety show, again at 3pm ET. This time with Marc back in Astoria, Queens with two of his cats, and near the infamous fish market.

So glad to hear Marc is traveling back to NYC, at least for a while!

This really sucked today..

What a shame..Too bad.. :(

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Submitted by 60th Street
>>probationary period deal

More like an audition, I'd say...
Its really sucks that two people as talented and brilliant as Marc and Sam have to go-a-begging to AAR, but they're the only game in town... *sigh

Unfortunately Nova M doesn't have the capital to invest in and sell a new show to affiliates. But at least, thanks to Randi, they have more of those now.

saying some congressman from texas named edwards is the most likely vp candidate for obama. says it has queen nancy's blessing.

>>So glad to hear Marc is traveling back to NYC, at least for a while!

and why not?

After all, he does have, what. at least half a dozen homes coast to coast?

I hear Marc would have to consyult his staff to figure oiut just how many homes he owns.

Seder v Maron - August 22, 2008 (MP3 - 14MB - 40kbps)

Missing a bit at the start because I was looking for a working videocam link, but I got lucky and found one with working audio. Whew!

>>More like an audition, I'd say...

how many years has AAR been on? 6?

and how many thousands of hours have Marc & Sam been on?

I'd hardly think any sort of probationary period should be needed.

That was like a bad Robert Fripp performance.

So Every day next week (or during the convention?) at 3 PM Eastern DT.

I am not sure if the same goes for the repug con.

Then a daily streaming show via AAR (audio? video?) at least thru the election with Marc moving back to NYC. Dunno about Seder.

Additions? Corrections?

Thanks, CC!

That is my congressman-- I am sort of surprized but then Chet can be a bulldog---He is Bush's congressman!!

so that explains a lot.

Haven't seen one - and I've seen Fripp a lot since the early 80s.

I understand he had a disaster or two in the early days, when he first started experimenting with nervous breakdowns. If that's what you mean, zeek - Yeah. Exactly.

McCain cheers gloomy Republicans

A year ago Washington was full of morose Republicans.

By Richard Lister
BBC News, Washington

They were watching President George W Bush's approval ratings scrape historic lows, the economy heading for the doldrums and continuing slaughter in Iraq - despite the surge of American troops.

The Republican Party seemed underwhelmed by its choice of presidential candidates and it was not hard to find party activists hunched over a beer and staring blankly into the middle distance, conceding that the Democrats seemed to have the White House wrapped up.

Republican White House hopeful John McCain in particular was struggling to hang in there.

Running third or fourth in the Republican race, he had shed campaign staff and was running on empty.

As 2008 dawned, the media buzz was all about the Democratic contenders Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

Even after Mr McCain bubbled up to the top of the Republican shortlist, the national fascination stayed with the historic Democratic contest.

When Mr Obama surged ahead, the news media went into overdrive and, according to the Campaign Coverage Index from the Pew Research Centre, there has been more coverage of him than Mr McCain in the US news media every month this year.

So, Mr Obama gets more press, has raised more money, has a broader donor base and draws far bigger crowds - game, set and match?

Anything but.

Poll dip

Barack Obama heads into his convention with a lead of no more than one to three points in most polls (a statistical dead heat) and at least one suggests he is now the underdog.

A Zogby poll on 20 August put Barack Obama five points behind his Republican rival, reversing the seven-point lead the pollster had given him the month before.

The question Mr Obama's staffers are pondering is, why?

No-one, of course, really knows.

But the alchemy of electioneering allows for some educated guesses about this recent dip in the polls.

It's like y'all'r trying to eavesdrop or unscramble radio Marti or something.

I guess I don't have to be jealous...

It's (approximately) wonderful news even with the AAR (insulting) involvement.

Just saying it was like a loop machine gone insane

that was strange.

the other thread ate my show posts.

the repeat overs were a trip...

Buchanan accuses 'McCain's neocon warmonger' of treason
Stephen C. Webster

According to conservative commentator and former presidential candidate Pat Buchanan, Sen. John McCain's chief foreign policy adviser Randy Scheunemann is a 'dual loyalist,' 'neocon warmonger' involved in activities that 'none dare call treason.'

Scheunemann's former employer, Orion Strategies, is a lobbying firm with strong ties to Mikheil Saakashvili's administration in Georgia.

Since Georgia attempted to retake South Ossetia by force, triggering a sharp, violent rebuke by Russian forces, Sen. McCain has been by far the most strident advocate of US support for the former Soviet state. And his top adviser, says Buchanan, may well be the next Henry Kissinger or Zbigniew Brzezinski.

"He is a dual loyalist, a foreign agent whose assignment is to get America committed to spilling the blood of her sons for client regimes who have made this moral mercenary a rich man," he wrote.

In his recent history, Scheunemann was a key member of the Project for a New American Century (PNAC), which lobbied President Clinton for war with Iraq for years before the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. He was also a signatory on a letter to President George W. Bush, just days after the terrorist attacks, demanding an invasion of Iraq and threatening political consequences if the president did not comply.

In addition, Scheunemann served as executive director of Ahmad Chalabi's group, "The Committee for Liberation of Iraq," a pro-war organization formed in 2002. Chalabi, once dubbed the "George Washington of Iraq," has since been accused of providing false information to US authorities and is currently under investigation.

"Most important, Scheunemann's former lobbying firm, Orion Strategies, received at lest $800,000 from the government of Georgia between 2004 and May 15, 2008, when Scheunemann finally severed his ties -- officially, at least -- to the firm," notes The Nation. "Before that, between January 1, 2007, and May 15, 2008, Scheunemann was officially on the payroll as both Georgia's lobbyist and McCain's top adviser, during which time Georgia paid Orion and $290,000 and McCain paid him $70,000."

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Buchanan_accuses_McCains_neocon_warmonger_...

can be soothingly hypnotic and zen in its inherent (albeit layered) repetition.

The dynamics clusterfuck today was kind of jarring - more like trying to learn something from overhearing one end of a phone conversation.

I'm sure they'll work out the bugs and get this under control. It may take some kind of meds - "gone insane," as you say, zeek.

That is a clean copy. My recording is not as good.

Looking forward to your show today. I've only listened to one (about the god concept) but I enjoyed it. The reason I haven't been back is the topic isn't of high interest to me at this time in my life. Even so, I suspect that you have quite a lot I'd be interested in hearing.

Suggestion: A half hour before the show, post
Maron live in 30 minutes!
and the link.

Someone ought to tell the folks at Morning Seditionists.
Current blog thread:
http://morningseditionists.com/msblog/?p=1100

The last thread ate my posts also. I went to the alternate but I think it was Cat Chew, me and another person and that's all.

By the time i got to post, the show was half over and Marc's neighbor was there, or was it the mailman?

I signed in early to the SammyCam so I was there for the start when Sam was holding up the Show Starts sign. At first I couldn't hear Sam and Marc was blasting my eardrums!

Oh well! Let's hope it's smoother from here on in.

Judging from the comments here about the audio, I got lucky.

House colleague berates military pork king Murtha
By BEN EVANS – 2 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican Rep. Terry Everett of Alabama unleashed an unusually harsh attack on a House colleague, calling decorated Vietnam War veteran John Murtha, D-Pa., a cut-and-run idiot.

"Don't talk to me about defense," Everett, who is retiring at the end of this term, said during a radio interview this week. "Cut-and-run John Murtha is in charge of the appropriations committee for defense and he is certainly no friend of the military.

"And don't talk to me about him being an ex-Marine. Lord, that was 40 years ago. A lot of stuff can happen in 40 years. Thank you for your service as being an ex-Marine but that doesn't mean you're (not) an idiot, and he is," Everett said of Murtha.

Murtha, the House's biggest recipient of home-state pet projects and a key distributor of them to other lawmakers as chairman of the House Appropriations defense subcommittee, has been a leading critic of the war in Iraq. His spokesman, Matthew Mazonkey, said in a statement that Murtha would not "stoop to that level" by responding to personal attacks.

"Congressman Murtha's record of supporting our troops and our veterans speaks for itself," Mazonkey said in a statement. Mazonkey noted that the Democratic-controlled Congress had dramatically increased Veterans Affairs spending and recently passed a new GI Bill that more than doubles college aid for troops and veterans.

Everett's remarks were broadcast Wednesday by Dothan, Ala., radio station WWNT. He announced last fall that he is retiring after 16 years in Congress. Everett's spokesman did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g5gm7J6zYQq8NksXBoouWUTUCg4wD92NFT400

Now treebu can hear when she gets home.

Mooch-ass grassy-ass!

downloading catchoo's

was bizarre eh?

we had close to 200 people on line.

shame all those posts not being possible to make.

I had a good feed but when I went to save it I screwed up my settings. Also I was getting some odd loop early that disappeared by itself.

MSNBC: Congress issues 'hard-hitting report with no teeth' about Bush signing statements
David Edwards and Muriel Kane

The House Armed Services Committee has issued a report (pdf) blasting the Bush administration's use of signing statements to reverse the intent of Congressional legislation. However, MSNBC's Dan Abrams and his guests on Thursday's Verdict were concerned that in the absence of sustained public outrage, there is nothing to prevent Bush from continuing to defy the will of Congress

Former judge and legal commentator Catherine Crier began by calling the House report "a very big deal" and noted that former Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor had made it clear to her in an interview that she had a lot of questions about Bush's signing statements. "I think if it ever came before the Supreme Court, we'd get a very definitive opinion that this is not appropriate," Crier stated.

Abrams then offered the example of one law intended to prevent retaliation against government whistle-blowers who reveal "possible wrongdoing" to Congress. Bush subverted that law with a signing statement saying that the employees in question could not even testify before Congress without permission from the president or his appointees.

Crier commented that this is an example of how, by issuing orders to federal agencies that circumvent the will of Congress, "the president is then directing the agency ... how to act, and unless there comes time that the issue is then confrontable by Congress or the courts, he can go on directing this sort of behavior indefinitely."

"Why not more outrage?" Abrams asked Huffington Post editor Roy Sekoff.

"It's yet another hard-hitting Congressional report with no teeth to it," Sekoff replied. "They tell us something we already know."

"What should they do?" Abrams asked. "This is outrageous. What should Congress do?"

Crier suggested that Congress needs to establish a mechanism for following up on whether federal agencies are carrying out its legislation as directed, because "unless they find a case, specifically, that can go to the courts, you're never going to have a judicial determination."

"George Bush came to town promising to change the culture of Washington," Sekoff concluded. "And, in fact, he has -- for the worse."

This video is from MSNBC's Verdict, broadcast August 21, 2008.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/MSNBC_Report_skewers_Bush_administration_o...

cya l8r.

So I could not hear the SammyCast. They're going back to an AAR show? Who are they replacing -- at least until AAR fucks up and cans them again...

I mean, having tons of capital behind them would have been great, but even Franken with the money and even a Sundance show, suffered from production glitches. i remember hearing the show and then watching the edit later on Sundance.

I think Sam should really sit down with Cenk Uygur and his crew and pick thier brains, they manage to stream and produce a pretty good show, by the way Maron was talking, they might be biting off more than they can chew

but both seemed happy and excited, esp. Maron..they have to work out talking over each other all the time, though, that crap won't fly on a serious effort like they were talking

so where are the good news?
anyone?

and so wha happe'n?

it's up just a bit on this thread.

what happened am n0t getting a show or aything...

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Are all of McCain's "household employees" legal?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/22/171538/602/633/572965

Susan Eisenhower Leaving GOP For Good, Cites McCain’s “Rove-Style” Politics

By: Logan Murphy on Friday, August 22nd, 2008 at 9:50 AM -

National Interest:

I have decided I can no longer be a registered Republican. For the first time in my life I announced my support for a Democratic candidate for the presidency, in February of this year. This was not an endorsement of the Democratic platform, nor was it a slap in the face to the Republican Party. It was an expression of support specifically for Senator Barack Obama. I had always intended to go back to party ranks after the election and work with my many dedicated friends and colleagues to help reshape the GOP, especially in the foreign-policy arena. But I now know I will be more effective focusing on our national and international problems than I will be in trying to reinvigorate a political organization that has already consumed nearly all of its moderate “seed corn.” And now, as the party threatens to trivialize what promised to be a serious debate on our future direction, it will alienate many young people who might have come into party ranks.

My decision came at the end of last week when it was demonstrated to the nation that McCain and this Bush White House have learned little in the last five years. They mishandled what became a crisis in the Caucusus, and this has undermined U.S. national security. At the same time, the McCain camp appears to be comfortable with running an unworthy Karl Rove–style political campaign. Will the McCain operation, and its sponsors, do anything to win? Read on…
http://www.nationalinterest.org/Article.aspx?id=19618

Eisenhower obliterates the media narrative that John McCain is strong on national security and foreign policy and shows the growing distaste within the GOP for the destructive Rove/Bush, scorched earth politics the McCain camp has unfortunately chosen to adopt. Susan believes the GOP has lost its way and has finally awakened to the destructive nature of the Bush regime - the one her grandfather warned us about all those years ago.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/22/susan-eisenhower-leaving-gop-fo...

right ghettodefender? Of course the people are "legal" because they are humans. They may not be legally employed because it is the employer that would be breaking the law...

NEW YORK (AP) -- Oil prices shot up more than $5 a barrel Thursday, rising to the highest level in over two weeks as escalating tensions with Russia stoked fears of supply disruptions to the West.

Crude's rally mimicked the wild price swings seen last month and have at least temporarily halted oil's slide back toward $100 a barrel. A weaker U.S. dollar and worries about tightening output from OPEC countries are also supporting prices.

After days of brushing off geopolitical flare-ups and a tropical storm, oil spiked above $122 a barrel as traders became rattled over increasingly hostile Russian rhetoric toward a U.S.-Poland deal to install a missile defense system in Eastern Europe -- a move Moscow views as a threat.

The continued presence of Russian troops in Georgia -- a key conduit for Western-bound oil shipments -- injected even more bullish sentiment into a market that had appeared to be losing momentum on the idea that high energy prices were curbing demand.

Oil watchers said the market's sudden reaction to the standoff reflects a growing acknowledgment of Russia's bear-like influence over world energy supplies.

"People are finally realizing that this Russian situation has the potential to be bad for a very long time," said Addison Armstrong, director of market research at Tradition Energy in Stamford, Connecticut. "The Russians have shown evidence that they're willing to cut off energy supplies to advance their aims. There is concern that they are now going to be much more assertive in that area."

Light, sweet crude for October delivery jumped $5.62 to settle at $121.18 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange after earlier rising as high as $122.04, crude's highest trading level since Aug. 4. Crude prices have settled higher for three straight sessions.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/BUSINESS/08/21/oil.prices.rise.ap/index.html?ere...

Poll: Franken, Coleman deadlocked in Minn. Senate race

A new poll finds Democrat Al Franken in a statistical tie with Republican incumbent Norm Coleman in Minnesota's U.S. Senate race.

The poll was sponsored by Minnesota Public Radio News and the University of Minnesota Humphrey Institute. It suggests that the race remains wide open because many Minnesotans haven't yet decided who to vote for.

Forty-one percent of those answering the poll said they support Franken, the DFL endorsee, while 40 percent support Coleman.

University of Minnesota political scientist Larry Jacobs, who directed the poll, says he was surprised by the results, given the fact that the Franken campaign has been playing defense to numerous GOP attacks and concerns among some DFL leaders.

The telephone survey of 763 likely Minnesota voters was conducted between August 7th and 17th. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.6 percentage points.

http://www.startribune.com/27268884.html

Al Franken Returns To Comedy In Goofy New Ad
By Eric Kleefeld - August 22, 2008, 2:33PM
It looks like Al Franken is finally using his campaign ads to do what he does best: Comedy.

You really need to watch his latest spot, because it's pretty damn funny. It features a novelty talking fish toy, informing the viewer of Republican Senator Norm Coleman's links to indicted GOP Sen. Ted Stevens and Big Oil businessmen:

"Now one of the oil guys that Norm went fishing with has been convicted of bribery -- and Norm refuses to return the money," the fish says. "Something smells fishy, and it ain't just me."

Franken has taken a serious tone for most of his campaign ads in his uphill fight against Republican Senator Norm Coleman, in an effort to get voters to view him as a more serious figure. But now Franken may be going back to his roots, thankfully.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/al_franken_retur...

Obama Camp Responds to Spakovsky's Hiring at Civil Rights Commission
By Kate Klonick - August 22, 2008, 3:44PM
The Obama camp has issued a statement calling the hiring of voter suppression guru Hans von Spakovsky at the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, which we first reported yesterday, "unbelievable."

From Obama spokesman Michael Ortiz:

"Given Hans Von Spakovsky's controversial record on voting rights, it's unbelievable that he would now be offered a staff position with the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, a federal entity charged with ensuring that voting rights are not violated. This is yet the latest indication that the Bush Administration is not serious about protecting the most fundamental right that protects all others - the right to vote."

This might be something that deserves looking into, oh, before November.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/obama_camp_responds_to...

The angle seems pretty tired to me. It wouldn't change the right voters' minds, would it?

mhappe is interviewing maron in 45 minutes on a special edition of her tv show.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/happe-talk

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Turnout Among Unmarried Women Key for Obama
A new Greenberg Quinlan Roser survey finds unmarried women overwhelmingly backing Sen. Barack Obama for president, 58% to 29%, "but their commitment to voting lags behind the rest of the country."

Key finding: "It is almost impossible to understand the 'women's vote' without understanding the role marital status plays in political decision-making. Marital status not only drives how women vote, but whether they vote."

http://www.gqrr.com/index.php?ID=2233

Link headline. Not mine. I would dissolve all borders. Period.
Anyway, I hope some reporters start mucking around on this front.

for the Audio.

At my end there was a HUGE 20-30 SECond Delay
between sam, and Marc's reply 20 seconds later.
and sam talking while Marc is responding to sams
previous comment. What a mess.

hour. Just follow the link below...no need to sign in.

Happe Talk

and plan to tune in to:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/happe-talk

While I multi task
and work on cropping todays
SvM screen captures

and burn the 1st Audio CD of
Saturdays Seattle Town Hall

Any bad news for McLiar is good news. And this is an excellent to get racists Rethug to stay home. If it turns out McLiar has several "illegal" workers, he will apologize for not abiding by the law. Simultaneously, he make remarks about conciliatory remarks about the need for immigration reform. He won't say, though, what the right wants to hear: "Round 'em up. And get rid of 'em."

is a very interesting survey. I would have liked to see the response to a Hillary question.

Elitist? McCain drove in a nine-car motorcade from his compound to get a large cappuccino
Joe Sudbay (DC) · 8/22/2008 10:54:00 AM ET · Link
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Since the McCain campaign wants to talk about elitists, there's this from today's LA Times:
McCain, who huddled with advisors at his desert compound in Sedona, Ariz., said nothing in public. A nine-car motorcade took him to a nearby Starbucks early in the morning, where he ordered a large cappuccino. McCain otherwise avoided reporters.

http://www.americablog.com/2008/08/elitist-mccain-drove-in-nine-car.html

Iraqis march against US agreement

Supporters of al-Sadr protested the US pact after Friday prayer in Baghdad [AFP]

Thousands of Iraqis have marched in protest against an imminent US-Iraqi security agreement, saying it would turn the country into a colony of the US.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2008/08/2008822173218681583...

..doin' all that multi-tasking. Hope you have a fire extinguisher handy. ;-)
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Protesters sail to Gaza Strip

Two boats carrying members of a US-based activist group have left Cyprus for Gaza to try and break Israel's blockade of the Palestinian territory.

The 70-foot Free Gaza and 60-foot Liberty boats left the southern port of Larnaca on Friday at 0700 GMT for the estimated 30-hour trip.

Lauren Booth, Tony Blair's sister-in-law, will join activists [AFP]

"A nine-car motorcade took him to a nearby Starbucks early in the morning, where he ordered a large cappuccino."
Too bad that 5 star mansion of his doesn't have a coffee maker. wonder how many gallons of gas it took to get his 10 oz coffee??

i take offense
for real when you don meantion blood or guns--that hurts my heart...

said hello to somebody this a.m. what is up with that each time?
um...like..um...*mishandled*? stay as sweet as you are...fuck what you heard! shit!! tired of the bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

its ok....trust me????????????
mmpphh!!!
mean tyme all you see is blood and gory............

TRUST AFTER THAT???
comes automatic!!!!!!!!!!!!
yup yóu fernando, 69th...ghetto....
will you be there to kill me..or them???????????

Im using 3 pc's actually,
2 win98, and this one a winXP

fucking white man is gonna try put me in my place

(((((wright))))???????
in the MEAN time´that is all YOU do is FUCK with me!

fucking good news??

guess not!!!!!!!!!
no time for me----
only for what they can get out of me!!!!!!!!
fuck that

guess what???????????????

*i am calling mishandled right about now*

I was just pointing out the audio link. Didn't mean to offend.

Michael Moore Dares to Ask: What's So Heroic About Being Shot Down While Bombing Innocent Civilians?

Like Iraq, Vietnam was not a noble cause. It's time we stopped letting politicians and the press perpetuate the McCain War Hero myth.

Moore proceeds, not to question, as Wesley Clark recently did to so many shrieks of criticism, whether McCain's capture really makes him qualified to be president of the United States -- the answer, any thinking person realizes, is "no" -- but whether the Vietnam war was a conflict that can really be said to have produced the breed of "American hero" McCain is so often celebrated as.

"Sadly," he writes, "McCain's sacrifice had nothing to do with protecting the United States. He was sent to Vietnam along with hundreds of thousands of others in an attempt to prop up what was essentially an American colony, South Vietnam, which was being run by a dictator whom we installed."

As Moore points out, in his memoir Faith of Our Fathers, McCain called it "illogical" and "senseless" that he was limited to bombing only military targets.

"I do believe," McCain wrote, "that had we taken the war to the North and made full, consistent use of air power in the North, we ultimately would have prevailed."

In other words, McCain believes we could have won the Vietnam War had he been able to drop even more bombs.

I would like to see one brave reporter during the election season ask this simple question of John McCain: "Is it morally right to drop bombs and missiles in a 'heavily populated' area where hundreds, if not thousands, of civilians will perish?"
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/95906/michael_moore_dares_to_ask%3A_w...

i knew there was a reason i haven't given up on that old curmudgeon. spot on.

That was some show. "Possibility thinking." Yeah, I like that. Very interesting dynamic when you two are talking.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/happe-talk

did a webcast today with Cenk at bravenewfilms.org, in case there's anyone who didn't know. Have not watched it yet.

>>whether McCain's capture really makes him qualified to be president of the United States -

I thinkl it is more likely being a POW for such a long time should disqualify him.

Why would any rational person want a delayed-stress type with his finger on the button?

Muthanna Dulaimi was caught while planting a roadside bomb! The son of the leader of the Iraqi Accord Front, which has cabinet seats in the government of PM Nuri al-Maliki and from which one vice president derives, appears to be an active terrorist!
http://www.juancole.com:80/

... is the only good news about the end of summer.

Missed "the funny" from Marc.

Need some Seder perspective on the evil "Liebermnn for Liebermann".

Will be listening in September!!!

was trying to find out when maher is coming back and came across the following:

New Rule: Being a Democrat and realizing you're never going to be president doesn't mean you have to grow a beard. Is it a suicide watch thing? They take away your razor? All I know is, this tradition must stop now, because no one needs to see this.

Called An American Carol

I saw it on CNN this morning and all of the anchors were saying it was going to change the face of Hollywood and bring out all of the L.A. conservatives afraid to show their faces.

It stars outspoken conservatives, Kelsey Grammer and Jon Voight and Zucker is a convert.

where's my email, where's my email, why has obama let us all down?

Chubs, Maron said the exact same thing about McCain this afternoon on S v M. It was an anecdote about a heated discussion he had with a conservative girl who horned in on a conversation he was having with a friend. He said he shut her down by saying that and she conceded the point.

that no one would expect Obama to pick Dick Cheney for VP.

I hope McCain enlists him though :)

looks like Richard Branson in that picture

Munster

was that of John Kerry. A man who still believes, as McFeeble still does, that we were "right" fighting in Vietnam, should immediately be disqualified from being Prez regardless of whether they were ever a POW or not.

and conservative apologists are so quick to throw the Charles Graners and Lynndie Englands under the bus for giving the military and the Bush administration bad PR, why not John McCain?

According to conservative commentator and former presidential candidate Pat Buchanan, Sen. John McCain's chief foreign policy adviser Randy Scheunemann is a 'dual loyalist,' 'neocon warmonger' involved in activities that 'none dare call treason.'

Since Georgia attempted to retake South Ossetia by force, triggering a sharp, violent rebuke by Russian forces, Sen. McCain has been by far the most strident advocate of US support for the former Soviet state. And his top adviser, says Buchanan, may well be the next Henry Kissinger or Zbigniew Brzezinski. - RAW

How is McCain a serious candidate again?

Michael Moore Dares to Ask:

Submitted by dan on Fri, 08/22/2008 - 7:40pm.
i knew there was a reason i haven't given up on that old curmudgeon. spot on.

About a month ago I saw Roger and ME for the first time,
After finding a used DVD in a resale shop.

For anyone who saw the movie on the big screen, or on a vhs tape, you probably didn't hear his commentary that is on the dvd. Its well worth a re-see.

Sorry for the hyadias, but I had to protest the absence of the SAM SEDER SHOW. I'm still pissed at Mark Green for tossing AAR into the toilet, as far as the loss of Sam and Randi's shows. What did I miss today? What was the big announcement?
Janice Brown

Show every night next week from the convention. A web video show from AAR to come. The technology got in the way but it also made it kinda humorous for me. A real study in physical comedy if ever there was one. You can listen to it from Cat Chew's link above if you want.

I have the first few minutes here but Cat Chew's copy is better audio by far. She missed a few minutes that I that were pretty funny. OMG the satellites are phasing in and out again.

is coming back to AAR, announcement. I knew it was too good to be true. Oh well, I'll take what we can get. I guess it's a start. I see you for all of the convention hilarity! Later!
Janice Brown

Some stills to go with the sound.

Audio Up-Thread, Provided by Cat Chew -> HERE <-

The very begining posted by Fernando
http://www.samsedershow.com/node/3622#comment-244119

Now I must watch that Al Franken Video posted by ToniD,Up there.

So much and So little time.

The Nation.
McCain's Vietnam
By Robert Dreyfuss

This article appeared in the January 3, 2000 edition of The Nation.
December 15, 1999

Humming along under a gray New Hampshire sky aboard the Straight Talk Express, his campaign bus, hero-for-President Senator John McCain says, "The shadow of Vietnam doesn't hang over everything I do.
But he's wrong--it does. Indeed, it defines the man.

Rather than accepting America's defeat in Vietnam as a humbling one and a fitting end to an arrogant and vainglorious exercise of military power, McCain considers the war in Vietnam to have been a "noble cause," whose loss might have been avoided but for the timidity of America's political leaders. Like many Vietnam-era military men, McCain believes that the war could have been won had America sent ground forces into North Vietnam and launched a strategic bombing campaign using B-52s. "That," says Daniel Ellsberg, the Vietnam-era Defense Department official who leaked the so-called Pentagon Papers, "is an incredibly discredited point of view." McCain appears unworried by concern that such actions would have led to enormous US casualties and perhaps caused either China or the Soviet Union to enter the war.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20000103/dreyfuss

FOX "Accidentally" airs illegal anti-Obama ad after publically stating it wouldn't

just dumb

Later!

I watched most of the Trap series. I can't stop thinking that the series was compelling but tangential to current events. I know that probably means I'm stupid.

Here is my premise. "Freedom" is a word that obviously means a lot of things to a lot of people. It's nice that revolutionary visionaries cogitate how to create "Freedom" for the masses or the elitist or for what ever contingency you choose. That whole discussion is tangential. We have a settled contract for "Freedom" in this country enveloped in the Bill of Rights.

I know the topic of becoming your enemy was discussed but that's not my point.

My point is are all leaders entitled to be tyrants whenever they choose? Don't we have laws empowered by the Constitution? Why aren't they upheld when pursuing foreign policy? That's what all that talk ignores. It assumes the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Magna Carta aren't worth the paper they are written on. That's blasphemy in my book. Jail the bastards and uphold the law of the land if you want us to believe we are "FREE" here first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2d8jb3sAO0&e

Independent Ralph Nader is up with a reggae-soundtrack video that thanks supporters for helping him get on the ballots on dozens of states.

The video has fireworks bursting as text appears with the signatures needed in each state, and how many his campaign collected.

Nader says that he is on track to be on the ballots of 45 states by Sept. 20.

Does this mean Nader is NOT in the Veepstakes?

http://www.huliq.com/66738/5/ralph-nader-effect-obama-and-mccain

Contrary to conventional wisdom, Ralph Nader's presence on the ballot in 2008 actually helps Democratic Presidential Candidate Barack Obama, according to at least five national polls conducted over the past three months.

In each of these polls, Obama's spread over Republican Candidate John McCain widened by an average of more than 3 percent when Nader and Libertarian Presidential Candidate Bob Barr were included on the menu of choices.

By conventional wisdom, this would make sense if Barr did better than Nader in these polls, but that was not the case. Nader was ahead of Barr in four of the polls and tied in the other. On average, Nader polled 2 percent higher than Barr.

The two strongest explanations for why Nader helps Obama are:
...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDMMI_a3x5s&e

...

..and yes they should be jailed for not upholding the oaths they took when they took whatever office they were voted into.

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..he should be jailed.

If he want's to be a serious 3rd party contender why for crissake doesn't he start at the bottom, the only place realistically a 3rd party movement can take root. The Green's are pretty much showing that, but no, Ralph clings to an impossible dream that he can be President? Why can't he throw in with either party to further his agenda?

If anyone truly believes there is no difference between McCain or Obama getting elected, I would have to submit you suffer from separations with reality.
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http://www.radiom.org/

that siphoning votes from Obama will help Obama which is far more like than the other way around.

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Puhleeze....

If you don't like more choices...fine..

I do.

If anyone should be JAILED it should be this entire US Government for the mess they've made of this country....Or maybe WE should all be jailed for not getting them out of office...?

mongering talk - (oh yeah..I see the difference?...not)...Then that is that parties problem..not Ralph's....They keep third parties out for a reason - TO MAINTAIN POWER - AND DO NOTHING...

what a good job

Happe Talk

http://www.icreatereality.com/CW_Movie3.swf

but this is not a time to be choosy. This is a time to stop the Republican Fascist machine before it's too late. It may already be too late, but going of on a tangent with a 3rd party with miniscule support and resources is folly.

I'm all for a 3rd party that legitimately builds from the ground up, not this ninth inning, bases loaded, 2 outs and full count folly that's happening now.

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...because they somehow feel entitled to start at the top.
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http://www.lightparty.com

THE LIGHT PARTY
A Wholistic New Political Paradigm Party

THE LIGHT PARTY, a wholistic, proactive, educational, empowerment party is a synthesis of the Republican, Democratic, Libertarian and Green Parties. We have formulated a practical, synergistic 7-point program which addresses and serves to resolve our current socio-economic and ecological challenges... We urge you now to support The Light Party and our progressive and enlightened programs and policies!

*

My friend gave me this CD from the light party - something about restoring Alcatraz for the Native American's ..I have to read it..(that papers that came with it..) - my friend was one of the people who led at the march on Alcatraz in the 60's...

Where was Obama a County Supervisor, Alderman, Mayor, etc..? Work their way up...please..such high standards for third parties and next to none of your candidates?

..like Perot or George Wallace, but Nader's never pulled more than what 2-3%? Just enough to fuck up an election when the country is divided right down the middle.

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Of the 266 people that we were told died on these jets, only 11 relatives applied for compensation. Can you believe that not a single relative from Flight 93 applied for compensation?

that would be a different colored horse. I agree with mb...to damn much at stake this time around

Happe Talk

doiesn't even bother to vote...why not get on their case instead of Ralphs...?

they have nothing to say unless they participate and they deserve what they get.

Happe Talk

...you get to skip a couple rungs. Maybe not fair, but that's the way it goes.

Gloria would do well to continue to use her talents to help working people by well, uh, gee, not wasting her time running for President.

When the majority of under-educated Americans (out side Vermont) see the world Socialist tied to someone they assume they are a dirty rotten commie.

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and so can I...I made up my mind in 04 that I will never fall for that farce of a party...maybe if Kucinich were able to be in it longer..or heck even allowed in all the debates..I might have stayed ...but not now...I will never vote out of fear again - never never never

maron is a complex human.

appreciate the insight.

...

but please don't think you're going to shut me up or run me off because I'm in the minority of umm.One..here...

Forget the people who don't vote, they deserve what they get.

It's the people who do vote who are affected.

There are no givens but the possibility is greater to change a candidate like Obama once elected, as was FDR. If Obama gets elected and the left could get together in a grand scale, we can pull the government back to the left and more towards the people.

An electorate, like a house divided, can't get shit done.

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parties...MOSTLY Dems try to keep them out...that tells me a lot..

I'm never going to think that..how could I vote for that? I can't. and I won't.

'snot my blog to shut anyone up.

Don't associate the word "hate" to me if I don't specifically use it. That's just a cheap shot to lower the level of discourse. A person can be mad without invoking hate.

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Next.
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they are words...Ralph has done PLENTY for the people of this country..and I doubt he would have voted in the ways that Obama has...

Next.

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and I voted for him. This is not about Ralph or Gloria. It is about getting some semblance of democracy back. Ralph might do a much better job than Obama, but he will never get a chance to try due to the fucking system. the dems are assholes except for a few. Not trying to shut you up or run you off. This is a friendly debate I thought. We just differ, no biggie. I am not arguing personalities just the concepts.

Thanks Jim...I saw you over there a bit ago.

Alice why don't you put your energies toward changing the system..like instant run off voting. You have incredible energy and passion.

Happe Talk

we're staying at war...with or without Obama...

are as guilty for the way it is...

-he will never get a chance to try due to the fucking system.-

I'm putting my energy where I want to, thanks....

Happe Talk

with McCain. You like the sound of that?

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pull out an Obama...that's how far he's been shoved up our rears...

or people voting for him...at this point the Democrats have had their chance to stand up and they've proven themselves worthless, fractured, and unable to lead...

I think there's more of a reason now to vote for Nader than in either 2000 or 2004...

but, there's no way he'll win and be able to enact his ideas, so, given that, I'll vote centrist posturing over neoconservative maniacal warmongering in a nanosecond...

...if it's perceived that he has some clout his good ideas will be picked up by Obama. That's what 3rd parties do.

Just don't vote for him.

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Happe Talk

http://www.pslweb.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=9733
The real story at the Saddleback presidential forum

Anti-war activists, PSL candidates defeat right-wing assault

Over 300 progressive demonstrators gathered outside of Saddleback Church, in Lake Forest, Calif., on Aug. 16 to protest the war and defend workers rights. The mega-church was hosting Democratic presidential candidate Barrack Obama and Republican John McCain for a “Civil Forum.”

Civility was indeed the name of the game as “hope” candidate Obama attempted to win over a portion of the right-wing evangelical vote by capitulating to the most reactionary political forces. It was not a debate. The questions were scripted and so were the answers. The candidates only appeared together on stage for about 30 seconds, at which time they shook hands cordially and hugged.

The fact that the presumptive presidential nominees of the two main capitalist parties chose to make their first joint appearance at an evangelical church, fielding questions from a slick, multimillionaire preacher, says a lot about the tenor of the 2008 elections. There is very little political content aimed at working people. Instead, we get loads of empty rhetoric about “leadership,” “faith,” and “vision.”
...

war is war is war...

I give a fuck if the world blows...it's going to blow..I can't stop it with a Democrat...that's groovy if you think you can...

It would be different if he weren't black. He knows he has to make certain concessions to get elected. Who knows how he'll act when elected?

His history leads me to believe he has potential.

Many people grow a little conservative as they age and then they become flaming liberals. Hell, I'll argue Goldwater died a liberal, at least at heart. He's certainly a liberal compared to the current state of his party.

We cannot afford to let the Republicans stay in power. If you care at all about humanity, you have to try to believe this.

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I agree. Dang, I can't even get a stir fry going without you peeps stoking a bonfire.

...I didn't fly my freak flag.

Obama was playing to a hostile crowd at Saddleback. How many blacks were in that congregation?

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Happe Talk

.

..why is he going to pull out of Iraq?

Afghanistan is a cluster fuck, but one that could potentially be resolved.

I contend none of this would have happened if Nader hadn't been on the ballot in Florida and Gore would have had a clear win.

If he is willing to end war in Iraq, then I have to believe he has the same thing in mind for Afghanistan. God, I wish they could pull the plug on all of them, but they can't. I have skin in this game, my son in law. Don't ever accuse me of being in favor of war. I won't fucking stand for it.

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and the Bill of Rights returned. I'm tired of protester intimidation, media manipulations, voter caging schemes, and wiretaps. Fuck that shit.

I don't care how much money companies make. I just don't want them putting me in a box for the rest of my life to do it.

"One of the most noteworthy aspects of the path toward the apocalypse is how garish and jarring the signposts are."

..when it comes to losing the Bill of Rights I believe.

It's more we've lost our human rights. The Bill of Rights are only a subset of our Human Rights.

We've lost our Human Rights because we've been led down the road of consumer capitalism.

The real goal of consumer capitalism is to create a class of super rich elite mother fuckers who brag about their super yachts and 10 or 12 houses.

That's what I believe.

I don't believe I have time to waste on 3rd Party diversions.

You dance with them who brung ya.....or you step on their fucking toes until they get in step.

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what's it matter if it's your relative or a stranger in Iraq?

I'm sure Blackwater is all set to be paid to dismantle and close the Green Zone - right?

If you want to pretend pulling out of Iraq (NOT) and going full on in Afghanistan is ok...go ahead....that is not anti-war in my mind....

TO BOOT...if we're talking about family in war..my half brother will be going to Iraq - scheduled for TWO YEARS from now...he's in Italy now..and Iraq is where he goes next...does that sound like a pull-out...?

because I also believe that the dreams of today become the realities tomorrow...I'm a dreamer..and Idealist how ever you want to label it..I've lived with your outlook in the past..it does not suit me...and no I don't HATE anyone for being who they are...

I'm telling you...Obama's going to pick Nader...

there's no way "Obamanader" is lost on either of them...a chance like that comes once in a lifetime

with donations to their educational infrastructure while screening their borders. That would make discussions about our own borders easier to negotiate. Then we should denounce all those dictators we've supported while repowering this country.

would one of you kind people teach me English please?

My dogs are tellin' me to hold it down.

because 2 years is longer than 16 months.

We'll have to fight to let Obama know that any force there is too much.

Give the Iraqis the Green Zone, that's what I say.

I just know McCain won't hear any of that shit.

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heh!

that and a bonus comment from MB's dogs!

jack russels are smart. spooky smart...

i try to get back to basics when i lose my balance.

it ain't bamarama or McSame in control here.

you KNOW who's really running the show.

i keep hoping this quantum level

short term memory loss shit

will go away soon.

get real gang.

That's what Democrats once stood for, and from what I've gathered, Obama believes.

The most complex problems have eloquent, yet simple, solutions. You can't expect those from Republican's.

A third party will not have a chance to even to offer them until we've had a long period of peace that will give a 3rd party a chance to grow.

These economic times all but negate any chance of a 3rd party gaining ground.

The protests of the 60's for civil rights and anti-war were only made possible because we had a thriving middle class. I felt I could do whatever the fuck I wanted back then because I knew that later I'd be able to find decent work and earn a decent wage.

Today the middle class is shrinking. When folks are fighting to survive they don't have the luxury of protesting.

Either we sink to the point of blood in the streets or we turn this shipwreck around now with the only of the 2 viable political parties with a history of doing just that.

Sometimes you have to eat a little shit for the greater good. I suggest lots of ketchup.

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you wanna get out of iraq

develop a viable alternative natural green sustainable energy industry

in other words...

in-in-in-in
other
words...

KILL EVERY PETRO-CHEMICAL EXECUTIVE
&
EVERY RUSH LISTENER, FOX WATCHER
& CHRISTIAN, TOO

um, so concludes my eazee pa-pa-pea-zee solution

ty

you've been wonderful

ps. i hope your half brother dies in iraq, alice
he's a war monger
& nazi, too

: )

"Applause!"

u ol shitdisturber!

was worried aboutchu!

you following me camera guy?

back inna few!

..but "little good is achieved without controversy".

I'm all for the "karmic good" (my phrase) and all that good stuff you west coasters have mastered, but back here in Ohio, shit's a lot more basic.

I'm looking at these desperate, and desperately under informed people, in the eye every day. I deal with people who can't come up with .42 to mail their foodstamps stuff. I give money away everyday and every single one of them pays me back when they can. Meanwhile the super-rich are skipping out on taxes that could pay for the $$ we give the needy 5 X's over.

These people need help.

They don't have time for 3rd parties.

What am I supposed to do?

How am I supposed to act?

Excuse me for expressing urgency in lieu of philosophical desires.

"People got forks and knives, they gotta cut something" .

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malloy is pushing his barrow of ultra-realism...

right over the cliff

one less fuckhead

don't add up to a hill of beans

(or whatever bogie said)

excellent interview with maron

very informative

brothers of any sort...

I agree though..and I think I'm a war monger too...Little Eichman's, BABY...

major shit is underfoot in my life

I'm coming to kick your stupid fucking ass from one end of the multiverse to the other..and back again...

:)

Hi Janice!

it's my sick way of wishing him luck
and returns safe and sound

: )

as in the expression "break a leg"

It really is cats v. dogs.

Now I'm just being a bitch, MB... you have dogs..you know the drill.. ;)

Cat's paw?

I had 2 peeps from Perth in my little office this week. They came over to go to Sturgis (i.e. annual biker Woodstock) and were on their way to Harrisburg Pa to see some kind of Corvette show. Shipped a big box back home. I made my revenue goal for the week. Some of the most friendly and interesting people I've met in a long while.

You stay away from them when they get back. ;-)

I assume they are on the other end of the island continent from you.

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and the o.g. walks in

THE BIG WHITE RABBIT

he's off the booze and could use some of mhappe's advice

or he could wind up a "dry drunk"

(is that what dry drunks are? they don't go through all the steps and the underlying cause is not resolved)

I wish we know how many of our relatives ARE ALIVE now because they weren't thrown through the fucking windshield...?

...compared to saying YES to the Patriot Act...

yeah..

...and my dogs get nuked...and my cats. Did I mention I have 2 cats too?!?!!?!?

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i'm on the east coast

imagine your "death valley"

stretching from los angeles to baltimore

and a lizard skeleton or two in between

so they'll be spared my horrid schtick

: )

I'm still thinking she and Fernando could do a morning show.

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No worries mate!

Right?

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I've posted it before..but it shuffled on again tonight..I love her voice...and Basia too...purdy...

Believing is the answer, the answer to all your fears
When I first said I loved you, I went in for the kill
Now when I say I love you, I mean I always will

VP text message to
be sent Saturday morning

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Obama campaign says the official announcement for vice president -- sent via text message -- will be made Saturday morning.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080822/ap_on_el_pr/veepstakes;_ylt=Asza7djh...

She seems to give the utterly irrelevant the same weight and consideration as the real and necessary.

what does she want, good government or a WalMart?

Time and Tide, mp3

It's hard for me to stop my heart
love never knows
when the time is right
I don't want to hurt
anybody but
can't help loving you
I never felt like this before
I know this is passion
worth waiting for
let love take take its course
that's the only thing
for us to do
We got time, oh baby,
there's no rush
gonna be a better
day for us
hang on
and I will
wait for you
our love will always stay as good as new
Time and tide
nothing and no one
can stop us now
for better for worse
this time I'm sure
it's gonna last
How can I stop my heart?
Love never knows
when the time is right
don't want to hurt
anybody
don't want to make them cry
don't want to make them cry
We've got time, oh baby
there's no rush
gonna be a better
day for us
hang on
and I will wait for you
Our love will always stay as good as...
new
It's a matter of time
only a matter of...
Time and tide
nothing and no one
can stop us now
for better for worse
this time I'm sure
it's gonna last
gonna last forever
We got time, oh baby
there's no rush
gonna be a better
day for us
hang on
and I will wait for you

(Be sure to give the real and necessary answer...not the irrelevant one...)

of candidates that have absolutely no chances of actually winning.

That's not a choice, that's a waste of time.

Thank you Fernando and Cat Chew for your audio's of Marc/Sam!! I, too, thought Sam/Marc were gonna be on AAR so I could listen by podcast later but, nope. I can no longer listen to live AAR streaming because it almost as bad as streaming the Marc/Sam stream. :) :) I'm a dial-up user. It seems AAR is doing to Marc/Sam what they're doing to the Young Turks (pitting each show againsts other audio shows).

Takecare,:) :) :) :)

Peace

Deborah from Kansas

at lunch...I highly recommend it...again.

(lol) those were the days

the o.g. experienced something profound last night

a live birth of a dragon fly in his aquarium

before this, it was an unidentified swift thing

when one assumes no one is cheating.THEY GET VOTES....

I vote my conscience now because I don't believe what I've been taught about third parties...

i'll post my email on monday

honest, promise

sorry, i've curtailed all social contact until my major upheaval blues begins

whoa...I wish you had vid...I'll bet youtube does...but I won't know for sure until Monday...I'll check for pics..

Stop The Veep Madness!
Despite all-day split-screen cable TV stakeouts and a steady stream of anonymously sourced tips to the contrary, no one in the press really knows who the candidates' VP picks will be.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12710.html

good to read ya,

drop in more often!

LOL

"you'll find choices in aisle 3"

"no i want good government"

"that's in aisle 4, no not, um,... oh just go ask alice"

(when she's 10 foot tall ♪)
(and if you go chasing rabbits...)

"excuse me but i'm alice"

"oh, well then, um, you're shit out of luck... try k-mart or china"

(lol to myself)

The GOP's 2008 nominee is...Eldon Smith?

It turns out that this isn't the first time the issue of John McCain's lavish multiple residences has emerged in the heat of a campaign.

In 1986, when then-Rep. McCain was running for the Senate seat vacated by Barry Goldwater, he quietly began remodeling a $500,000 house in central Phoenix owned by his wealthy father-in-law James Hensley. The $225,000 project -- which included the construction of a 4,000-square-foot addition, swimming pool, jacuzzi, cabana and barbecue -- held political peril for McCain, who was already fighting charges that he was as an opportunistic carpertbagger.

The new house was located in Phoenix's fourth congressional district -- outside of the first district in Tempe which he represented at the time.

AP caught wind of the work at 7110 North Central Ave. shortly before the general election and dispatched a reporter to examine blueprints at the planning department. They found the permit applicants were listed as Hensley and a mysterious "Mr. Smith."

The reporter tracked down McCain's plumber, who told him he'd been told Mr. Smith's first name was "Eldon."

Eldon Smith, it turned out, was John McCain.

When confronted with the blueprints, McCain's spokeswoman didn't deny that the renovation was being done for McCain and his wife Cindy -- and suggested that Smith was Cindy's mother's maiden name. She didn't explain why Marguerite Hensley might have been listed as "Mr. Smith."

Later, McCain released a statement attributing the choice of Smith's name to his architect. Use of the alias didn't violate the law, he claimed, because it appeared only on blueprints and not on official permits.

"Like most architectural firms, Sheiner Day Kunz Associates uses a generic name on blueprints when working for a well-known client," he said, adding that he and Cindy had been "very open" about their plans to move out of his congressional district.

Alas, local planning experts didn't quite agree.

"Gabor Lorant, head of the Phoenix-area chapter of the American Institute of Architects," the AP reported on Oct. 31, 1986, "said that in his 29 years of work here he had never heard of a blueprint practice such [as the one] McCain described as common practice."

A McCain spokesman declined comment on the 22-year-old intrigue.

Note to Barack Obama: The story had little impact on the race and McCain went on to trounce Democrat Richard Kimball.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0808/The_GOPs_2008_nominee_isEldo...

Get the government they deserve.

___
Voting is a practical matter - Sam Seder

toodles

ain't just a river in Egypt.

Dallas Billionaire, McCain bundler, is anti-Obama group's backer

The spokesman for the American Issues Project, the independent group whose ad is the most negative of the cycle and links Obama to terrorism, says the group just filed a report naming its sole donor.

The donor, spokesman Christian Pinkston said, is Dallas billionaire Harold Simmons, who made his first fortune in chain pharmacies and is now listed as the 73rd richest person in the world, with a net worth estimated by Forbes at $2.1 billion.

Simmons, a major Republican donor, gave maximum $2,300 contributions to Senator John McCain last year, as well as to former Governor Mitt Romney and to former Mayor Rudy Giuliani.

He's listed as a bundler for the McCain campaign on McCain's website, which says he's raised between $50,000 and $100,000 for the Republican candidate.

He's also contributed to Rep. Chet Edwards, the Texas Democrat who has been mentioned as a possible Obama running mate.

Simmons was reportedly a major donor to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth in 2004.

He's also a backer of a controversial plan to store nuclear waste in West Texas, which his waste management company would administer.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Dallas_Billionaire_McCain_do...

:)

and the congress you deserve as well...

you can't beat cystal clear reality

here & now

as in it's not quite the same as watching woodstock on acid

er, i mean on video

ps. the o.g. bastard yelled out after the event

so i missed out

but i got to see the skin that encased his swimming body still on the plant that he crawled up on to wriggle free and the brand new dragon fly that emerged hovering above

(dragon flies are trippy)

why wouldn't I be...
I'm just not spending my vote HOPING that you are...

That was a very cool interview with Marc..

I learned alot..

Thank you.. :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

They sent a Secret Service unit to Biden's house.

It's Biden.

www.sigzone.blogspot.com

I'm a mac user. Switched back & forth between Firefox & Safari - couldn't get either to work. Was having this weird looping situation where it seemed like two instances of the video were trying to stream simultaneously, and they were several minutes apart, so, it wasn't an echo, it was like two episodes playing at the same time.

Hope the switch to the AAR server clears this up.

"Seder V Maron - MP3 file

Submitted by Cat Chew on Fri, 08/22/2008 - 4:23pm.

Seder v Maron - August 22, 2008 (MP3 - 14MB - 40kbps)

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/11/5/1565206/Seder%20v%20Maron%20-%202...

Missing a bit at the start because I was looking for a working videocam link, but I got lucky and found one with working audio. Whew!"

how's it going?

kinda stressed out up here lately.

The drunk next door smacked his pregnant punching-bag of a wife, she called the cops and hee took off running Tuesday night.

no one's seen him since.

She came over the next day to use the phone or something. I told her to contact help-lines, crisis centers and printed her out half a dozen pages of resouses for her. I suggested she get as far away from here as fast as she could, don't look back and start over.

She came back the next day...wanted me to help her find some pot, of all things.

I told her to get the hell out of my house. I said I don't want anything to do with her. I don't want to be involved with her and her crazy jealous boyfriend (whose thinks she's been screwing 1/2 the neighborhood, myself included)

I feel surprisingly good about it.

Hmmmm... Biden...
Somehow it makes me wish Obama would win more, yet I'm bored.
"I hope that Obama and Biden will man the Titanic as it splits in two."

The iceburg was struck a long time ago.

www.sigzone.blogspot.com

Malta Today

Far from becoming extinct 65 million years ago, the dinosaurs actually co-existed with early humans, and even helped in the construction of the pyramids. This is the word of Vince Fenech, Evangelist pastor and director of a fully licensed, State-approved Creationist institution which admits children aged between four and 18. “Of course the ‘dinoceros’ existed (as Fenech pronounces the word). It is mentioned in the Book of Job. They were used to help build the pyramids,” he says, adding that this latter observation is only “his personal belief”, and that it does not form part of the school’s curriculum.

But the curriculum of the Accelerated Christian Academy in Mosta is not exactly free of such fanciful reinventions of history. Fenech reiterates the basic Evangelist tenet that the entire universe was created in 4004 BC… and this time, he also supplies “proof”. “When man landed on the moon (in 1969), they expected the landing module to sink in a deep layer of dust. But the layer was only a few inches deep. This proves that the universe is still young!”

Does it? I would have thought it merely illustrates that unlike the Earth, the moon has little or nothing in the way of atmosphere… and dust is usually generated as a result of particles which combine as they are buffeted around by the movement of atmospheric molecules. Also, the moon’s gravity is two thirds less than it is on Earth… which in turn means that dust is practically weightless, and therefore doesn’t settle. But of course there is little point in saying so, because as far as Fenech in concerned, it is the word of God alone that counts. Fenech confirmed this during an impromptu interview at the MaltaToday office in San Gwann, where he irrupted last Thursday on a Divine Mission to correct my misconceptions about his Mosta academy.........

Free Democracy

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/10/14/1508938/Society%20of%20the%20Spectacle.pdf

The spectacle is not a collection of images; rather, it is a social relationship between people that is mediated by images.

Word.

Nice dogs.

CBS NEWS

(Political Animal) A NOUN, A VERB, AND P.O.W..... After the McCain campaign responded to yesterday's flap over the senator's untold number of homes by emphasizing his background as a former prisoner of war, I started wondering just how often Team McCain plays this card.

Perusing the last couple of weeks, I found four examples: 1) in response to questions about McCain's marital infidelities; 2) in response to criticism of McCain's healthcare plan; 3) in response to a question about the first thing that comes to his mind when he thinks of Pittsburgh; and 4) in response to allegations he may have heard the questions in advance of Rick Warren's recent candidate forum.

The Huffington Post's Sam Stein went a little further, noting that McCain also emphasized his background as a prisoner of war while railing against earmarks and again when talking about his taste in music.

After all of this, for the first time, McCain is actually starting to face some media push-back.

Once a remarkable and respected aspect of his biography, John McCain stands on the brink of "trivializing" his past as a prisoner of war, which has become a "crutch in the campaign," Newsweek's Howard Fineman declared Thursday."I think they are going to it way too many times. It's the original story that defined John McCain, that still when you read it in his book 'Faith of my Fathers,' when you read about it in 'The Nightingale's Song,' you can't help but have admiration and respect for the guy. And I think he wisely for many years stayed away from it as a political tool, he really did. But now it not only defines him, it's become a crutch in the campaign. And I think he is in danger of trivializing it. By the time they get to the convention in St. Paul, there might not be much of it left to use."

It's not just Fineman. Time's Ana Marie Cox went so far as to argue that McCain's over-reliance on this is "bordering on irrational."

Greg Sargent summarized the problem nicely: "[I]f you print too much currency, it devalues it. The McCain campaign is cranking out all these bills with a little 'McCain as P.O.W.' logo on it and is trying to use them to buy their way out of every controversy that comes along. Pretty soon the McCain team's money won't be good anywhere."

Quite right. I'd just add that the hard-sell wouldn't be quite so awkward if McCain didn't go around saying that he's reluctant to talk about his Vietnam experiences.

Biden, huh? (I refused to "wait like a high-school girl".)

Now, should it be obvious to me WHY you screamed bigot?

Because in a sense it is, but it surprises me you would think that...

US Senator Arlen Specter (R- PA) met with Venezuelan Congress Vice-president

El Universal, Venezuelan opposition newspaper

US Senator Arlen Specter (R- PA) and Saúl Ortega, the first Vice President of the Venezuelan National Assembly, met on Thursday and vowed to relaunch the Parliamentary Group for Friendship and Cooperation between Venezuela and the United States, Ortega said.

Specter arrived in Caracas last Wednesday in a visit is aimed at seeking rapprochement between Chávez's government and Washington in some specific areas such as anti-drug cooperation. However, the US Senator has not been received by any member of the Venezuelan Executive Branch.

Ortega said, referring to his encounter with the US Senator, that the meeting was informal. The Venezuelan legislator noted that Specter intended to "improve the relationships between the United States and Venezuela."

when I was growing up was a cool thing. I'd go with my mommy, wait briefly in a line with her, and then watch her feet under the little curtain, wondering what Mysterious Thing was going on in there.

They were mechanical - like an old typewriter - and if they jammed or otherwise fucked up, it was immediately obvious; moreover, someone could just open the hood and fix the problem with a screwdriver or (possibly) pliers.

Voted that way up through 2000. It always seemed like a sort of sacred confrontation with my soul, (I guess) like a confessional. My decision was private. Most of the time, none of my friends got too wrapped up in the issue of my - MY - vote.

Until 2000. And that really pissed me off. Democracy (as stated) doesn't work unless each of us votes in accordance with our knowledge, belief, and principles. Some use propagandistic methods to dicker with our knowledge, belief, and principles.

That's too bad: just vote in that moment for the person you really want in your heart of hearts.

anyway, i'd bang his girlfriend seeing you're already guilty of it

and if he confronts you

dazzle him with absurdity

"this ain't the nuremberg trials, man"

and he'll leave you alone...

thank you for calling ono-line

that'll be 5 dollars

El Universal, Venezuelan opposition newspaper

The Ecuadorian government claimed on Friday that Venezuelan university leaders were in Ecuador "teaching tactics to the opposition" to spread violence in advance to the constitutional referendum on September 28th.

"One of the representatives of the Venezuelan violent youth came here to organize that; he came to teach people how to use violence," said Policy Minister Ricardo Patiño, AFP quoted.

Almost concomitantly, Ecuadorian President Rafael Correa said that the opposition had been following the same strategy as in Venezuela and Bolivia.

"They used the same tactic against (Venezuelan President Hugo) Chávez: to prompt young, university leaders to create confrontation and put the blame on the government," said Correa during a ministerial meeting in the Andean town of Guamote.

>>it be obvious to me WHY you screamed bigot?

I think the Pot was just in an awful hurry to call the Kettle black.

RAW STORY

According to conservative commentator and former presidential candidate Pat Buchanan, Sen. John McCain's chief foreign policy adviser Randy Scheunemann is a 'dual loyalist,' 'neocon warmonger' involved in activities that 'none dare call treason.'

Scheunemann's former employer, Orion Strategies, is a lobbying firm with strong ties to Mikheil Saakashvili's administration in Georgia.

Since Georgia attempted to retake South Ossetia by force, triggering a sharp, violent rebuke by Russian forces, Sen. McCain has been by far the most strident advocate of US support for the former Soviet state. And his top adviser, says Buchanan, may well be the next Henry Kissinger or Zbigniew Brzezinski.................

you are eggin' him on. He'll take you to ketchup on shit so.... Beware.

Submitted by Kevin © on Fri, 08/22/2008 - 11:47pm.
...“When man landed on the moon (in 1969), they expected the landing module to sink in a deep layer of dust. But the layer was only a few inches deep. This proves that the universe is still young!”...
---------
Or it proves that the moon needs to fire its housekeeping service.

MOSCOW: The U.S. ambassador to Russia has told a Russian daily that Washington strongly urged Georgia not to invade its breakaway province of South Ossetia.

John Beyrle also told the Kommersant Friday that Russia "gave a well-grounded response" to a Georgian attack on Russian peacekeepers, but exceeded its authority by invading Georgia proper.

Beyrle was quoted as saying that Russia should respect a cease-fire deal and withdraw its troops from the ex-Soviet neighbor to positions they held before the fighting erupted.

The short but intense war near Russia's southern border has deeply strained relations between Moscow and the West.

The fighting began Aug. 7, when Georgia launched a barrage targeting South Ossetia, but Russian forces quickly drove the Georgians back.

>>anyway, i'd bang his girlfriend seeing you're already guilty of it

oh, god no...not even with YOUR dick, AO.

she's one skrawny, ugly little pile of low self-esteem. and then there's pregnant, MS, seizure disorder, all kinds of crap.

and then there's the personality thing.

I'm not really fond of her.

I forgot to mention she's missing a front tooth.

she said she lost it during a seizure...I kinda think it was punched out.

TWO of his many homes are OCEANFRONT!!!

Ok, now it's personal. The motherfucker has GOT to go down.

(Again.)

(Sorry. :})

now in our living room

[went to wiki to see what they eat, and turns out they're carnivorous, so i'll have to hunt around for some insects to feed the blighter -- seeing as this cold weather has depleted our once vibrant insect population -- they might be down in mexico sunning themselves -- only to return to annoy me -- but now i'm READY! now i have my secret weapon: KOOKY-2!!]

(ha-ha victory is mine all mine)

They capture their prey by clasping them in legs studded with spikes. Prey cannot escape by diving away because dragonflies always attack from below.

Thank you for noticing. Usually, I just read youall's thoughts/comments/posted articles and that's all the entertaining/learning I can handle. :) :) Sometimes, I become over-whelmed with the information.

The bitterness/cross-anger I can do without, thou. There's enough of it "out-there."

Takecare, :) :) :) :)

Peace

Deborah from Kansas

Been reading up on Beyrle - clearly not a pledged frat boy; he may actually have acuity and ability.

Otherwise, the Seder Saloon seems to be full of a lot of drunks on a Friday night. What a bunch of lightweights! It's only - what? - quarter past nine over there, and you're already in the stream-of-stupid zone?

My own unconscious stupid stream makes much more sense to me, and that's where I'm going in a minute.

I've been thrown out of better joints than this.

Show?

>>Has anyone else ever seen all the episodes of The Ben Stiller

why don't you go ask your precious Ralph Nader?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2d8jb3sAO0

OK - that's it. I'm outa here. My cup o' Craggenmore's about empty, and this isn't any fun. Going to ride the green griffin.

Pleasant dreams

I'm for third party access...not specifically Ralph Nader...he happens to be the person that the P&F party nominated...

Later...

>>I'm for third party access...not specifically Ralph Nader...he happens to be the person that the P&F party nominated...

dammit, you've been whining about this for too many years.

I don't care.

get it?

Stuck around for Votesong. Thanks.

It was cool to have a Nader demarcated lever in the CT voting booth in 2000. Maybe there'll be a Nader checkbox on the VT paper ballot this year. There may be no box for my preferred candidate (probably a cabdriver) this year.

OTHELLO: "Goats and monkeys!"

Now it's donkeys?
Probably.

The Interpretation of Dreams, by Sigmuend Freud

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/10/14/1508938/The%20Interpretation%20of%20Dreams.pdf

Capitalists without the democratic checks...

(as heard on Bill Moyers)

-

... split the Party -- ALL FOR HIS WORSHIP... thus
HE WILL LOSE MY PARTY. He's a selfish individual. And the MASSES continue with the "Rose-Coloured" Obama-ite Glasses.
Eye-roll.

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http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/banklist.html

you followers are still causing more of a split.

Neither Clintons are Saints and Bill caused the framework for the collapse of the economy with much help from the Bush Admin.

Evidently Hillary is not a good economic administrator or she would not owe money now. McCain had to borrow money as well.

America is being sold piecemeal because of bad economics, bad Judgement, and no regulations.

And then you have Bush and McCain acting like paper tigers toward Russia. They both look rediculous! What good is experience if your judgement is bad?

With Bush, Cheney appointed himself as the VP choice. Bush had no idea of who he wanted as VP. And Cheney ended up making the decisions we are living with today!

McCain isn't a thinker. He will go with the status quo because he won't change anything. It's all set up for him, he thinks. Look at all that power he would get from the Bush folks! More of the same with Rovian aides. And no economic knowledge.

Without good economic direction and reinstated regulations, there won't be enough money to do any good at all here. Our enemies will own us.

Quit with the personalities and start looking at the big picture. Our Nation is in BIG trouble right now. Start working toghether or there will no longer be anything to work for.

And quit with the childish "eyeroll"!

>> Obama has split ...

no.

Hillary "I can't pay my campaign debt but think I should still be president' Clinton split the party.

>>And quit with the childish "eyeroll"!

How will we know how superior she is to the rest of us?

http://www.samsedershow.com/node/3627#comments

Cat Chew, thanks for the audio.

It's cool. Pretend you're living your last day of life here and this isn't so big...
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