Unemployed and worried about lapel pins

,,,

When they start making them in the USA I will start worrying about who wears them.

C-SPAN Highlights

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Free Democracy

If you want to live in the 19th Century vote for McCain ...

If you want to live in the 20th Century vote for Clinton ....

If you want to live in the 21st Century vote for Obama.

Free Democracy

I like that can I use it?

http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/clickToGive/home.faces?siteId=3
Thank You — your click has been counted!

You've given the value of .6 bowls of food to rescued animals.

thank Kev!

go ahead ... I posted it on DU and someone is making stickers with it ...

AP

A company of government troops in Sadr City retreated when they came under attack from Shiite militiamen who used the cover of a sandstorm, police said Friday.

The clashes overnight killed two people and injured nine, a police commander said. The officer, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to release the information, said it was unclear whether there were any casualties among the soldiers.

The reports of the latest setback for the Iraqi army come after government officials acknowledged that during fighting last month against Shiite militias in the southern city of Basra, more than 1,300 Iraqi soldiers and police deserted or refused to fight.

The police officer said militiamen belonging to the Mahdi Army of anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr launched their attack shortly before midnight on army positions in Sadr City, a sprawling slum area of some 2.5 million people in eastern Baghdad.

These Iraqi troops are US trained and armed going against from what the US says Iranian trained troops... guess we know who trains better

Free Democracy

The only question is how much damage Hillary will do before and at the convention.

Next Tuesday will tell us a great deal.

I would like to see Hillary win by about 12%!

That would give her enough encouragement to fight on.

I remember a cartoon in the New Yorker about 20 years ago that said it best.

The cartoon is of an old homeless man dressed in rags, standing on a corner and looking quite the apocalyptic profit holding a sign that read:

"The end is not nigh...you must learn to cope"

The end is not coming Sammy, the NeoCons only made us wish it were.

how are things with you?
I hope all is going well & that your feeling good.
Missed you thew last few days.

Randi is right, Sam needs to get busy and start the next phase of his life.

These AAR boys are just trying to find a safe place to crash land.

They will either give up and shut-down, or they will get so tiny no one will know they exit.

Either way Sam is going to get hurt if he doesn't get moving!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxtMUcc6fvI

Loved that Vid with Obama and Colbert!

Thanks for posting!

missed you too gee! where have you been?

Ha!
new
Submitted by jbenet on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 9:21am.

In Joe's rebuttal he says "I don't want to be condescending..." oh really, Rachel's face says.

The BS Update from MSNBC spokesman Jeremy Gaines to Huffington Post:
"Joe didn't walk off. He chose not to participate in the final couple of minutes of the discussion because he felt the conversation didn't fit his role as a political analyst."
And of course to accomplish that he had to walk.
==re
Submitted by Lucille on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 8:25am.

Watch Rachel and Joe make their points, hear Joe unplug, and then (after a jump) see the panel after Joe has gone:~`~`~`~`~`~
Jamesbennett

Hope things are going well for all..

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

New Madrid Earthquake Preparation Poses Unique Challenges

Three earthquakes centered near the Missouri Bootheel town of New Madrid struck the region over a two-month period in 1811 and 1812 with thousands of aftershocks. They are the best known of the New Madrid quakes. These earthquakes along the New Madrid fault were so powerful, there are accounts of the Mississippi River temporarily flowing backward and church bells ringing in Boston.

Emergency responders, government and economic development officials from 17 states came to St. Louis, Missouri November 2, 2006 to discuss preparations if a major quake along the fault happens again. The two-day conference was held by the Delta Regional Authority, an economic development agency working in Alabama, Arkansas, Illinois, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri and Tennessee. Participants are encouraged to examine their own communities for hazards, develop partnerships and focus on reducing risks and improving response capabilities.

Planning for earthquakes is different from many other disasters because there could be no warning with an earthquake and the potential of a large geographic area that could be affected. If a major New Madrid earthquake begins, an area including Memphis, Tennessee, St. Louis and hundreds of rural communities could be affected. The executive director of the Central United States Earthquake Consortium said a major New Madrid quake could destroy buildings, bridges, roads and other infrastructure, disrupt communications and isolate areas. (Media Resources)

http://www.fema.gov/emergency/reports/2006/nat110306.shtm

http://www.dra.gov/media/article_detail.aspx?articleID=415

http://www.dra.gov/media/article_detail.aspx?articleID=443

He doesn't have the chops to keep up with Rachel..
Too funny !
He's just a Newt wannabe !

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Obama’s strange defense of William Ayers

posted at 8:34 am on April 18, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Barack Obama has decided to push back against criticisms of his association with former Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers, but the arguments he offers sound less than convincing. Rather than chalk it up to political naivete and issue a non-apology apology, Obama has decided to argue that he can’t be expected to consider the actions of people that took place in his childhood, and that Ayers only was bad for a few days.

TRASHY WTC SECURITY
HOMELESS GUY FINDS KEY PLAN IN A CAN

It's a good thing Osama wasn't walking through SoHo yesterday morning.

Two sets of confidential blueprints for the planned Freedom Tower, which is set to rise at Ground Zero, were carelessly dumped in a city garbage can on the corner of West Houston and Sullivan streets, The Post has learned.

PHOTO GALLERY: WTC Blueprints Found In Trash

Experts said the detailed, floor-by-floor schematics contain enough detail for terrorists to plot a devastating attack.

"Secure Document - Confidential," warns the title page on each of the two copies of the 150-page schematic that a homeless, recovering drug addict discovered in the public trash can.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04182008/news/regionalnews/trashy_wtc_securi...

I'm sitting here, unemployed and there's a hold on my UC benefits with rent due in a few weeks.

All I really care about, though, is whether Barack Obama is wearing a flag lapel pin or if Hillary had to duck from sniper fire ten years ago.

Even nicer neighbors, eh?

You are dead already 97. You are just too stupid to lay down.

The Reps are going to lose it all this year. Your turn to cry.

this post from jbenet does not show on the blog for me.

can you post a link Lucille?

worth re-post!!
new
Submitted by Lucille on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 9:27am.
Ha!
new
Submitted by jbenet on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 9:21am.

In Joe's rebuttal he says "I don't want to be condescending..." oh really, Rachel's face says.

The BS Update from MSNBC spokesman Jeremy Gaines to Huffington Post:
"Joe didn't walk off. He chose not to participate in the final couple of minutes of the discussion because he felt the conversation didn't fit his role as a political analyst."
And of course to accomplish that he had to walk.
==re
Submitted by Lucille on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 8:25am.

Watch Rachel and Joe make their points, hear Joe unplug, and then (after a jump) see the panel after Joe has gone:~`~`~`~`~`~
Jamesbennett

I bet if you sit and spin on that Chimp Turd fast enough, you can blame WWll on Obama.

Pot 97, "Polishing turds is my specialty."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/17/joe-scarborough-walks-off_n_973...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL3up4bs6Cs

I missed that yesterday because of work.

But why didn't jbenet's post show up for me. That's odd too!

The KO's and Rachel's have been proven right about the NeoCons and the Scarbourogh's and Hannity's have been proven wrong.

They are losing ratings, power, and respect to the new breed.

Sour grapes go down hard. So does crow.

Joe is done. They all are. We've just got to hold on long enough to get thtough this election.

Is this what labor pains feel like?

From the book "Cable News Confidential" by Jeff Cohen (c) 2006:

Page 13

Excerpt: 2005

As Crossfire was fading, right-winger Joe Scarborough started hosting a show at MSNBC; he says a network executive told him "If you let someone talk more than seven seconds on your show without interruption, then you are a failure."

You might have noticed that in 06 we got a surge of new 97% Democrats in Congress.

Things have gone on very nicely ever since.

You need to find out what a good 97%er believes.

I think we can trust to folks to keep sending 97%ers to Congress.

Nothing really changes.

That's the beauty of America!

is really starting to liven up. The Repubs, that have owned this county for ever are getting competition from Dems and Greens. They haven't had competition so they don't know how to hadle it. Heh! Fun to watch them spinning right now.

The Green Party is really growing in this area. There are at least 2 from my progressive group that are running for county offices in the fall.

Nice to see the change happening. It's even creeping into the surrounding counties, like the county where Hastert was from. Shows people are sick of the do nothing repubs.

you have to hear him swing on obama's nuts every morning..there is nothing obama can say or do that is good for him...and the more he calls out obama,the more obama sky rockets than he tries to justify that with something else....he is such a fucking racist and mika is not too far off neither...pretty sad she is!!! (sorry i promised not to talk about him anymore) ma bad!!

Obama could have walked away from these Radicals at any time.

He did not.

Now he wants to cry about having to explain himself.

Well that's what these elections are all about.

Getting to understand what Really makes a guy like Obama tick.

And the 97% have plenty of time left to accomplish that goal.

arm. That's all they have....antagonize and insult.

Pot/Pup has been here for years now, telling us that we're

stupid and disenfranchised. Right wingers are afraid. They

embrace death, all over the world and always have. That is

why the frightened trolls come in here to rag on us. They're

frightened of us because we are people that do not fear

LIFE.

i dont know if you have listened to RR before, but she always plays that clip where everybody is talking at the same time on "scarborough country"

have a woolen hat on and it is beautiful out there...dont ever dare wear your open shoes in the summer time...thats your ass right there, you will be bed ridden for at least 2 weeks the way it is freezing in here!

Latrobe in western Pennsylvania claims fame as birthplace of Arnold Palmer, Mr. Rogers, Rolling Rock beer and the banana split.
[...]
Latrobe is probably best known as the birthplace of Rolling Rock beer. The label was sold to Anheuser-Busch, and brewing was moved in 2006 to Newark.

OMG !! Rolling Rock beer is no longer made from the crystal springs in the laurel highlands of PA!!!
It's made from New York/Jersey runoff. euwww
That should have been discussed at the debate...

STOP THE INSANITY!

Not This...
Nash McCabe
“How can I vote for a president who won’t wear a flag pin?” Mrs. McCabe, a recently unemployed clerk typist, said in a booth at the Valley Dairy luncheonette in this quiet, small city in western Pennsylvania.

Mr. Obama has said patriotism is about ideas, not flag pins.

“I watch him on TV,” Mrs. McCabe said. “I keep looking for that lapel pin.”
http://drexeldemocrats.blogspot.com/2008/04/why-nash-mccabe.html

The OFFICIAL beer of Easter.

Now with New York City sewage.

Score some...today!

You have no fear until your drugs run out!

Then Oh Shit do thing go to hell fast!

Tell me what you wouldn't do to ensure an uninterrupted flow of your drugs.

That's really your priority in life...

Self-Medication so that you can function at the edge of the Real World.

It's very common in the 3%!

Unemployed and worried about lapel pins
Submitted by SEDER on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 8:51am.

and we think the Republicans rely on fraud in presidential elections?

No... they probably rely on ... well, American stupidity

can we finally admit this to ourselves?

www.sigzone.blogspot.com

I just trolled you, you frigging moron.

You're the one that needs drugs...for your insanity.

Some people don't like their beer being F'ed with.
I would think them good ol'boys in PA would be up in arms about this.

Guess I'll just have to stick with coffee.

[ re - Cat Chew Fri, 04/18/2008 - 3:29am ]
Edward Norton Lorenz -- May 23, 1917 -- April 16, 2008

nyt As recounted in the book “Chaos” by James Gleick, Dr. Lorenz’s accidental discovery of chaos came in the winter of 1961.

== Unlike Gleick, I do not think of the discovery as accidental. I would say that the strange attractor that led to Dr. Lorenz’s discovery was the as yet undefined nature of Chaos Theory. The strange attraction that the notion of a strange attractor was exerting on Lorenz's thinking.
I am aware of a strange attractor that keeps us traveling around this blog. ==

Lorenz attractor wiki

A plot of the trajectory Lorenz system
for values ρ=28, σ = 10, β = 8/3

The Lorenz attractor is a 3-dimensional structure corresponding to the long-term behavior of a chaotic flow, noted for its butterfly shape. The map shows how the state of a dynamical system (the three variables of a three-dimensional system) evolves over time in a complex, non-repeating pattern.

The attractor itself, and the equations from which it is derived, were introduced by Edward Lorenz in 1963, who derived it from the simplified equations of convection rolls arising in the equations of the atmosphere.

From a technical standpoint, the system is nonlinear, three-dimensional and deterministic. In 2001 it was proven by Warwick Tucker that for a certain set of parameters the system exhibits chaotic behavior and displays what is today called a strange attractor. The strange attractor in this case is a fractal of Hausdorff dimension between 2 and 3. Grassberger (1983) has estimated the Hausdorff dimension to be 2.06 ± 0.01 and the correlation dimension to be 2.05 ± 0.01.

The system arises in lasers, dynamos, and specific waterwheels [1].

The equations that govern the Lorenz attractor are:

{dx}/{dt} = sigma (y - x)

{dy}/{dt} = x (rho - z) - y

{dz}/{dt} = xy - beta z

where σ [SIGMA] is called the Prandtl number and ρ [RHO] is called the Rayleigh number. All σ, ρ, β > 0, but usually σ = 10, β = 8/3 and ρ is varied. The system exhibits chaotic behavior for ρ = 28 but displays knotted periodic orbits for other values of ρ. For example, with ρ = 99.96 it becomes a T(3,2) torus

A trajectory of Lorenz's equations, rendered as a metal wire to show direction and three-dimensional structure

~`~`~`~`~`~
Jamesbennett

Apr 18, 8:42 AM (ET)

By CHARLES BABINGTON and TREVOR TOMPSON

WASHINGTON (AP) - Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton are both sustaining dents and dings from their lengthy presidential fight. The former first lady is clearly suffering more as Democratic voters no longer see her as the party's strongest contender for the White House.

Voters of all types have gotten a better sense of Obama, who was an obscure Illinois legislator just four years ago. As more people moved from the "I don't know him" category in an AP-Yahoo News poll, more rated Obama as inexperienced, unethical and dishonest. And 15 percent erroneously think he's a Muslim, thanks in part to disinformation widely spread on the Internet.

But Obama's positive ratings have climbed as well, while Clinton - widely known since the early 1990s - has been less able to change people's views of her. And when those views have shifted, it has hurt her more than helped.

The New York senator's ratings for being honest, likable, ethical and refreshing have fallen since January, and Obama scores higher than she does in all those categories.

In a dramatic reversal, the AP-Yahoo News poll found that a clear majority of Democratic voters now say Obama has the better chance of defeating Republican Sen. John McCain in November.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha...

Now that is funny!

A Tiny Nazi that pretends to be normal.

Only in the 3% !!!!!

Cheney Holiday Party Sponsored By Kazakh "Snow Queen" Vodka...
HuffPo
Borat wasn't on the list, but at least one product of Kazakhstan managed to gain access to Vice President Dick Cheney's holiday party on Tuesday night at his Massachusetts Avenue residence.

Snow Queen vodka, a product of the central Asian country, was the "official liquor donor" at the 400-strong party of high-powered pols and their staffers. Among those on the list who braved the "blinding" lights on Mass Ave. and the long security procedure to rub elbows with the Veep: Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Afghan Ambassador Said Jawad, Jordanian Ambassador Karim Kawar, former Speaker Newt Gingrich and Rima Al-Sabah, wife of the Kuwaiti ambassador.
“People were amazed at the cheap decor (think IKEA),” writes our source....

I've suggested that you seek medical help for a couple of

years now. I'm pretty much the only person here that has

reached out to you and encouraged you to get treatment. Your

problems are worsening. See a psychiatrist quickly my man.

There are drugs available that can still help you.

the Pup. LOL! Sorry gang...it's just TOO much fun.

After 2 days of trying to get my stupid password from the hacks at Abc..My meager post.

Abc..What a Bad joke you are ! You and Faux news are just abunch of Right Wing Nazi Propaganda Outlets !
Heck even wingnut Hanity got a question into this Poor excuse for a debate..See what happens when we let Media Consolidation happen ?
Right wing corporations owning most of the Media Outlets..You get this crap..Very,very sad !And,tragic for a Democracy !

http://marcmaronrules.blogspot.com/2008/04/what-hell-was-thatabc.html
To The Shame know as ABC
"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

although it does not look like he will.

As long as AAR can sucker people like Belzer to host for free, why should they pay Sam?

They got by cheap using Sam to fill in while they tried to control losses.

Now it's Sam who is expendable!

if you read over this thread you will see that POT just

pretty much admitted that he is WD.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha..

And doin a hell of a job I might add!!!

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha..

Well, I do have a PHD so I have an advantage over high

school grads. I'm sorry Pup, but I own you now. I possess

you. You are mine for the rest of the day.

Stephanopoulos Once Criticized The Tactics He Put To Use In Debate

ABC News' George Stephanopoulos can continue to defend his decision to lead off his debate with an hour's worth of questions that mined the electoral sideshow (Lapel Pins, Tuzla, Weather Underground) for material at the expense of informative questions that cut to the needs of real Americans, but the facts are these: Back when the shoe was on the other foot, and Stephanopoulos' job was that of a campaign insider, he insisted that the media hold itself to a higher standard, as this clip from The War Room demonstrates.

[WATCH.]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/18/stephanopoulos-once-criti_n_973...

told you!!!!....preferences, preferences!!

OK?

It's early and quiet in here and I wanna fuck with him for

a bit.

That's Miss Ann you fool!

Your drugs must have kicked in!!!

Across Globe, Empty Bellies Bring Rising Anger

PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti — Hunger bashed in the front gate of Haiti’s presidential palace. Hunger poured onto the streets, burning tires and taking on soldiers and the police. Hunger sent the country’s prime minister packing.

Haiti’s hunger, that burn in the belly that so many here feel, has become fiercer than ever in recent days as global food prices spiral out of reach, spiking as much as 45 percent since the end of 2006 and turning Haitian staples like beans, corn and rice into closely guarded treasures.

Saint Louis Meriska’s children ate two spoonfuls of rice apiece as their only meal recently and then went without any food the following day. His eyes downcast, his own stomach empty, the unemployed father said forlornly, “They look at me and say, ‘Papa, I’m hungry,’ and I have to look away. It’s humiliating and it makes you angry.”

That anger is palpable across the globe. The food crisis is not only being felt among the poor but is also eroding the gains of the working and middle classes, sowing volatile levels of discontent and putting new pressures on fragile governments.

In Cairo, the military is being put to work baking bread as rising food prices threaten to become the spark that ignites wider anger at a repressive government. In Burkina Faso and other parts of sub-Saharan Africa, food riots are breaking out as never before. In reasonably prosperous Malaysia, the ruling coalition was nearly ousted by voters who cited food and fuel price increases as their main concerns.

“It’s the worst crisis of its kind in more than 30 years,” said Jeffrey D. Sachs, the economist and special adviser to the United Nations secretary general, Ban Ki-moon. “It’s a big deal and it’s obviously threatening a lot of governments. There are a number of governments on the ropes, and I think there’s more political fallout to come.”

link

that he is gay and the youngest of 5 boys...he is complaining that he has to do this that and the other and he says "but im supposed to be the pussy brother"...i was screaming with laughter, he is too funny!

The 3% isn't the story - they are soooooo Predictable..!!!
Submitted by Part of the 97 ... on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 11:01pm.
Blogtalk: Bloggers Turn Up Heat on ABC
-------------------
Au contraire, Spin Breath. You are far more predictable. I could write your posts in my sleep...or in a coma.

While researching the response to the recent debate, I avoided blog-generated opinion entirely because I wanted to know the opinions being published by traditional media across the nation.

It is my assessment that an overwhelming majority of voters and journalists are disgusted with the trite questions posed to both candidates.

By far, the largest portion of the majority is aghast that an important opportunity was trivialized. The remaining portion of the majority is comprised of Obama supporters who share the "wasted opportunity" opinion but place it secondary to a perceived attempt to resuscitate petty negative attacks directed at their candidate.

It stands to reason that the blogs communities would have majorities that reflect the opinions expressed in traditional media publications.

Because the majority opinion has been spread in publications as widely as the debate itself, my research has ended: Opinions formed after the initial backlash are tainted by the influence of the backlash.

My conclusion is that most voters no longer care about blowjobs and lapel pins and spoken gaffes. They have been screwed (and continue to be screwed) by the Cheney/Bush administration's failed policies. They find death and a trashed economy and the harm done by Conservatism's unwillingness to regulate the powerful elements of capitalism to be issues far more important to their lives and their future than tabloid gossip.

Of course, there will continue to be voters who focus their self-righteous judgementalism on issues like Bill Clinton's blowjob while practicing cognitive dissonance on the similar moral issue of McCain's shift from one wife to the next.

Their ranks have diminished, though. When your IRA has lost 30% of its value or you have lost your job or your soldier son is dead, blowjobs lose their gossipy appeal.

They have given me the power to OWN you. You will be pissed

at nothing else today but ME, your tiny Nazi master. BOO!

If the Democratic presidential race were a poker game, by now you'd have to suspect that Barack Obama's campaign is dealing from the bottom of the deck: Rarely a day goes by when it doesn't slap another ace down on the table. The aces in this (possibly strained) metaphor are endorsements, and it often seems as if the Obama operation has an inexhaustible supply at its disposal. In the past week alone, it has announced the support of congressmen from North Carolina and Indiana; the Utah state party chair; the Oklahoma state party's chief fundraiser; 25 South Dakota state legislators; the owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers; and, not least, The Boss. Some of these endorsers are super-delegates, and thus of no small consequence to the outcome of the race. Others are simply window-dressing, deployed to create a sense of ineluctable momentum in Obama's direction. But none have the particular resonance of the endorsement that's coming — unbeknownst to the campaign — a little later today.

The endorsement in question is that of Robert Reich, Bill Clinton's first Secretary of Labor and a friend of both the former president and his wife for four decades. Around 1:00pm EST, Reich informs me, he intends formally to declare his support for Obama on his blog.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/04/heilemann_robert_reich_to_endo.html

awright!!!! awright!!!! geez...just pointing out....***poof***

Please email me at: pbtrue1 at gmail dot com

I have some information for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_2_N3L0OAU

a diversion, not worth much, not getting anything done

Bush to appoint new HUD secretary.
The AP reports that President Bush plans to name Steven Preston as Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, replacing the disgraced Alphonso Jackson. Preston comes to HUD from chief of the Small Business Administration (SBA). When he was appointed to SBA, Preston had no “experience running a small business,” previously serving as a senior vice president of ServiceMaster, a “multibillion-dollar corporation.” BusinessWeek reported in April 2006:

As executive vice-president, strategic services of Illinois-based ServiceMaster, which operates popular home service brands such as Merry Maids, Terminix, and TruGreen ChemLawn, Preston oversees the company’s long-term planning and technology systems, among other areas.

The nominee has also likely strengthened his ties to the Bush Administration during his time there. A self-described “committed Republican,” Preston worked at ServiceMaster while Claire Buchan, currently the chief of staff for Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez, was a vice-president for communications at the company. […]

[H]is resume shows he has no experience as an entrepreneur and comes from a company with a reputation as a bully among some small-business owners.

Preston is known as a “Bush loyalist.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/18/bush-to-appoint-new-hud-secretary/

what happened here...there was so much noise a minute ago???where pot at?

* Lucille
* bibimimi
* Peter Dragon
* biff malibu
* gypsygirl
* pbtrue1
* toniD
* jbenet
* DaveR
* dan
* mo lib
* Sunshine Jim
* SEDER
* keiran

He hates to be possessed. He has left the room.

RESUME SPEED!

The zeitgeist is shifting, but you don't see it. That's why you say things don't change. But they do.

Look at the percentage who approve the war Iraq and BushCo's policies. THE WHOLE DAMNED COUNTRY has changed their mind. You still see yourself within that 97% bubble, but the whole bubble has moved left, and will continue to do so.

I submit that you have it completely wrong 97, EVERYTHING IS CHANGING. Many are just so nearsighted they can not or refuse to see it.

Your 97%er candidate is getting her ass handed to her. She came in to the race with something like 40% over the other 6 candidates, she is now 10 points down.

Change? No, there's no change here.....

A Chinese cargo ship believed to be carrying 77 tonnes of small arms, including more than 3m rounds of ammunition, AK47 assault rifles, mortars and rocket-propelled grenades, has docked in the South African port of Durban for transportation of the weapons to Zimbabwe, the South African government confirmed yesterday. It claimed it was powerless to intervene as long as the ship's papers were in order.

Copies of the documentation for the Chinese ship, the An Yue Jiang, show that the weapons were sent from Beijing to the ministry of defence in Harare. Headed "Dangerous goods description and container packing certificate", the document was issued on April 1, three days after Zimbabwe's election. It lists the consignment as including 3.5m rounds of ammunition for AK47 assault rifles and for small arms, 1,500 40mm rockets, 2,500 mortar shells of 60mm and 81mm calibre, as well as 93 cases of mortar tubes.

The carrier is listed as the Cosco shipping company in China.

South Africa's national conventional arms control committee issued a permit on Monday for the trans-shipment of the cargo from Durban to Harare. The head of government information in South Africa, Themba Maseko, said yesterday: "We are not in a position to act unilaterally and interfere in a trade deal between two countries." South Africa had to "tread very carefully", given the complexity of the situation in Zimbabwe, Maseko said.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/18/china.armstrade

Not much of a credential. Condy Rice has a PhD, as do many of the psychopaths who've created this mess.

I heard hannity radio the day before the debate interviewing Stephanopoulos and suggesting questions. Stephanopoulos saying he was taking notes...

==
re==What The Hell Was That,ABC ?
Submitted by MMRules on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 10:36am.

After 2 days of trying to get my stupid password from the hacks at Abc..My meager post.

Abc..What a Bad joke you are ! You and Faux news are just abunch of Right Wing Nazi Propaganda Outlets !
Heck even wingnut Hanity got a question into this Poor excuse for a debate..See what happens when we let Media Consolidation happen ?
Right wing corporations owning most of the Media Outlets..You get this crap..Very,very sad !And,tragic for a Democracy !

http://marcmaronrules.blogspot.com/2008/04/what-hell-was-thatabc.html

~`~`~`~`~`~
Jamesbennett

he is gone to make a few calls to singsing and that blue person not leaving wolf out...cannot go one on one, loves ganging up!! good job PD!!

It is my assessment that you are working very hard to cover your last prediction.

The 3% Rev Scandal has not begun to fade away!

It is still has legs and shows no sign of dropping out of the News Cycle as you predicted.

The last debate and Obama's reaction demonstrates his vulnerability in the area of Judgement and Character.

His protest will only bring on more attacks and questions about his past association.

This election isn't going to be about the questions, it will be about Obama's answers.

We have just started to learn what makes this man tick..

In the end a total picture will have been painted of Sen. Obama.

Your other prediction of a Conservative collapse in 08 is falling apart as well.

McCain is far from finished, he has only just begun!

getting a workout on Stephanie Miller

in the 'McCain is old and crazy' bits

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrgCcoUnH1E

he intends formally to declare his support for Obama on his blog." (Thanks Lucille)

This is a big endorsement for Obama.

Randi interviewed Brent Budowsky yesterday and he said the endorsements would be coming for Obama on a regular basis.

Just wanted to comment on Joe Scarborough and his decision to opt out of debating Rachel. It is hilarious to me because if he hadn't walked away they would have called it a "knock out". Joe has been unable to elevate his debate skills to take on Rachel. So, he has tried attacking her or lowering his voice and slowing his speech to sound like he was saying something important and appearing wise. Of course, the alternative for him would be to do homework and work hard. But, he ain't gonna do that. He was hoping Rachel would be deferential to him like Mika. Wrong! I have some issues with Rachel on her radio show. But, on tv it is so great to see her take on those nit wit men.

Well, thanks for pointing that out. I'll just move

forward in life, hoping that I'm not a psycopath. At my age,

that could really get in the way of things.

yeah he had said that before when RR was on AAR radio a while back, I think Fernando posted that...yay!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7LrIbdbV64

I see the same breakdown on the left and right that we saw with Gore and Kerry.

Nothing has changed.

Well one thing has changed. Obama is much more vulnerable to the Out of touch Liberal tag.

Obama is wonderful with prepare rehearsed statement.

He doesn't do so well in an open debate.

Taxes, Defense, the Economy, he won't be fighting with Hillary who offers no real alternative.

Obama is going to have to face The 97%!

Chris Rock--Bigger And Blacker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JY1lGZSS68
Starting at 7:55 of 9:47.

A lot of this shit is Hillary's fault,
'cause, ladies, you know your man.

You know your man
better than he knows himself.

You know what kind of man you got.

You know if you got the crazy,
need-a-blowjob-all-the-time man.

So sometimes you gotta save your man
from himself.

So you know what happens
if he don't get his medicine.

So Hillary Clinton put us all in danger.

She put the security of the free world
in jeopardy...

and she needs to suffer the consequences
for her actions.

That's right, she's the First Lady.

She's supposed to be the first one
on her knees to suck his dick!

Shit!

That's right. Monica Lewinsky
shouldn't have even stood a chance.

I'm not familiar with that nic. In and out..but took a

quick shot at me while here.

With Hillary pounding Obama and trying to label him Unelectable, she has served McCain very well.

For Hillary winning is the only thing.

Not The Dems winning, but Hillary winning.

And it's not over yet!

If Hillary can keep this close, Obama may yet prove himself unworthy of the nomination.

And Hillary would like nothing better than to help him do just that!

link that Toni asked about..
I went looking for it and got really side tracked..

Scarbutt is such a Wuss..Plus a self absorbed sexist and racist hack !
The clip was too funny !

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Been around since day one.

Didn't mean to upset you. Found touting a PhD as kinda' crass. Doesn't have any substance.

yes, yes!"
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jrteE387vfjbLEB1hLMi__cxeeSg

Well that was easy....

NEXT

WEST SALEM, Ill. — Residents across the Midwest were awakened Friday by a 5.2 magnitude earthquake that rattled skyscrapers in Chicago's Loop and homes in Cincinnati but appeared to cause no major injuries or damage.
http://tinyurl.com/4bmmzj

somebody asked me yesterday about this - was too busy yesterday and didn't have time for blog participation but here I tried to give you an idea, of course it's a mess but it gives you an idea of what i was talking about (hope it doesn't cause a stretch)

img src="http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j211/mira2gusto/closingshotcapture.jpg">

http://www.samsedershow.com/node/2916#comment-185778
New Madrid Earthquake
Submitted by pbtrue1 on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 9:31am

http://www.samsedershow.com/node/2914#comment-185746
ToniD,
Submitted by pbtrue1 on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 8:58am.

5.3 earthquake epicenter west Salem, IL early this am.

Is that the thing you get 1 day a year on your birthday, when your married ? ;)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

I think we're having a little earthquake right now. (Saint Louis)

Everything is shaking. Lasted about 30-40 seconds. Nothing fell off the walls. But the tables and the chair I'm sitting in were shaking!

Hmmm - saw that Imus calls Obama a pussy - on the air(!) - & Rachel Maddow succeeds in rattling Scarborough's ass on David Gregory's MSNBC show yesterday - HuffPo & MediaMatters have those stories.

& I can't help but recall the lady who called in to Sam awhile back about the Obama v.lapel thingy - Sam asking her if she was wearing 1(funny bit, that - it'd make a good clip - or is it already?)
Might it've possibly been this Nash person, I wonder? She seems like a 'crusader'.

If you had done me the kindness of reading the thread and

known who I was talking to, you would have known that

SUBSTANCE was the LAST THING required.

Jimmy Carter is taking the lead on this. I hope he lives to a thousand.
Most folks don't recall that he shamed 'slick Willy' Clinton into the treaty with North Korea. Clinton was pulling the same crap as the Shrub. He refused to talk to them. Carter brokered the treaty on his own, and dumped it in the administration's lap. Things were fine until Incurious George unilaterally dumped the treaty, beginning the conflict all over again.

Dear MoveOn member,

If you missed the Democratic presidential debate on ABC last night, Editor & Publisher called it "perhaps the most embarrassing performance by the media in a major presidential debate in years."1

Moderators George Stephanopoulos and Charlie Gibson spent the first 50 minutes obsessed with distractions that only political insiders care about — verbal gaffes, polling numbers, the stale Rev. Wright story, and the old-news Bosnia story. And, channeling Karl Rove, they directed a video question to Barack Obama asking if he loves the American flag or not. Seriously.

Enough is enough. The public needs the media to stop hurting the national dialogue in this important election year. Can you sign the petition to ABC and other media outlets and pass it on to friends who are also fed up? Click here for our must-see video with excerpts from last night — and to sign the petition:

http://pol.moveon.org/enoughdistractions/

The petition says: "Debate moderators abuse the public trust every time they ask trivial questions about gaffes and 'gotchas' that only political insiders care about. Enough with the distractions — ABC and other networks must focus on issues that affect people's daily lives."

We'll deliver petition signatures to ABC and the networks hosting future debates. And if we reach 100,000 signatures, we'll reprint the petition in an ad campaign targeting the networks on this issue.

ABC's natural inclination will be to ignore their critics, so we need to go above and beyond to show them that the public is truly outraged. So, please, think about some friends who may be fed up with 2008 media coverage and forward them this email. If thousands of us do that, it'll make a huge difference.

The reaction to last night's debate has been very consistent:

"A stinker, an absolute car crash — thanks to the host network ABC … [It] ran the gamut from banal to inane. At the end of the debate members of the crowd appeared to be booing moderator Charlie Gibson." — The Guardian's Richard Adams2

"Halfway through the debate, not a single question on any policy issue had been asked." — OpenLeft.com's Chris Bowers3

"For the first 52 minutes … Gibson and Stephanopoulos dwelled entirely on specious and gossipy trivia that already has been hashed and rehashed, in the hope of getting the candidates to claw at one another over disputes that are no longer news. Some were barely news to begin with." — Washington Post TV critic Tom Shales.4

"We've revisited bitter. We've gone back to Bosnia. We've dragged Rev. Wright back up onto the podium. We've mis-spent this debate by allowing Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos to ask questions that skirt what in my mind is what we need to know now." — Philadelphia Inquirer's Daniel Rubin5

Shame on ABC for letting voters down with last night's abysmal debate. Bad debates aren't just painful to watch — they actually hurt the country by distracting voters and politicians away from big issues of the day.

Please send a message to ABC and other media outlets that we need our national dialogue to focus on the real issues facing Americans. Click here to sign the petition:

http://pol.moveon.org/enoughdistractions/

Thanks for all you do.

— Adam G., Patrick, Anna, Peter, Justin, and the MoveOn.org Political Action Team
Thursday, April 17th, 2008

But I was sleeping when it happened so I didn't feel the quake.

Local news reporting after shocks but haven't felt those either. More in Central and Southern Illinois and Indiana now.

just went back to winter...

started snowing an hour ago and is accuulating.

my bees! my buds! hope they survive this one. fluffy snow, dogs wondering where spring went.

Be safe!

<<<<<>>>>> vibes

Once you wake up from the kook-aid, you can never go back.
The World Needs More SEDER!

One election at a time...

that shit is mad funny---thanks!! that was at the apollo right?

"aint no 20 year old tryna blow ORIN HATCH"....yuck!!

I have been working (yuck) & looking for a house & working on school stuff.
I don't know if Im coming or going or coming again. It kinda sucks.

toniD - I love it that the Re-pub-lick-kans are freaking out. LOL .. thats just priceless

on Moveon's email list? Hmmmm.

Or was it from a right wing blog post?

I got that email.

Hhhhhhmmmm. You've been amazingly quiet over the years.

I've never even noticed you and I'm sorry. Hi.

This blog moves so fast - while I'm posting, somebody else already has the same thing up.... = J

sam, open a paypal account, make your blog accessible via paid subscription only, (that might also get rid of some of these trolls), get a woodchipper for your applewood exploiting idea, get busy hauling some of that junk metal out of your property and sell it for scrap, along with some unemployment subsidy this should tie you over for a couple of months until novaM gets enough money to hire you full time

HOLY CRAP JIM! You moved back to Ohio?

from the Illinois earthquake.

Turned on the radio and they are reporting that everyone across the metro area just felt what I reported.

My cat was sitting on the desk by me and just started looking around like "what is going on?"

HA---i was waiting!!!

That's one dinasty I wouldn't mind seeing installed in the White House - I think his daughter is pretty good, also doesn't he have sons? We couldn't be doing worse than with the bushes and clintons

war dog

Not like the paper version that comes here.

jamesbennett

He was right in what he said. It is crass to throw your PHD

out there. Crassness is one of my many flaws. I consult the

Swami about it on a weekly basis.

brick building. And, the whole building was shaking. But, not enough to cause any damage.

Strange sensation.

A few years ago in my same building I experienced an earthquake, also. It was a little bit more severe because it sounded like someone was on the roof stomping around. No damage then either, though.

VIDEO: Largest Ferris Wheel Debuts

~`~`~`~`~`~
Jamesbennett

Rove’s Lawyer Backtracks On Testimony Promise, Hints Rove Will Hide Behind Executive Privilege
On April 7, Karl Rove’s attorney Robert Luskin reportedly promised to MSNBC that, if subpoenaed, his client would testify in the case of former Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman, who went to jail for corruption charges and now says Rove may have played a role in pushing a political prosecution. MSNBC’s Dan Abrams reported:

ABRAMS: We asked this question to his attorney: Will Karl Rove agree to testify if Congress issues a subpoena to him as part of an investigation into the Siegelman case? The answer we got — “Sure.”

Watch it:

Yesterday, House Judiciary Committee chairman John Conyers (D-MI), joined by members Linda Sánchez (D-CA), Artur Davis (D-AL), and Tammy Baldwin (D-WI), wrote to Rove and requested that he testify before the committee about the politicization of the Justice Department, including the prosecution of Siegelman.

But now Luskin is saying that Rove won’t testify unless the White House says he can, claiming that MSNBC took his comments “out of context.” Roll Call reports:

MSNBC provided Roll Call with an e-mail exchange with Luskin that the network broadcast in which a producer asked, “Will Karl Rove agree to testify if Congress issues a subpoena to him as part of an investigation into the Siegelman case?”

“Sure,” wrote Luskin, according to the e-mail. “Although it seems to me that the question is somewhat offensive. It assumes he has something to hide.”

But in an interview with Roll Call, Luskin said that his MSNBC comments were taken out of context.

“Whether, when and about what a former White House official will testify … is not for me or my client to decide,” but is part of an ongoing negotiation between the White House and Congress over executive privilege issues, Luskin said.

Rove has previously fought congressional efforts to force him to testify in the U.S. attorney scandal through the invocation of executive privilege by the White House.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/18/rove-lawyer-no-testify/

but have you noticed how these women (oh, not that men are much better) of a certain persuasion - i am referring here to the woman asking obama about the flag label pin, are ugly, ugly, ugly - could be something inside causing the outside uglies

Obama has had a media microscope up his ass for the last 4 months. Both Hillary and McCain are hitting him with everything they've got and he is still steadily gaining in the polls.

Every single time McCain is left unattended he opens his mouth he says something stupid, and the media hasn't even started on him yet. Once he gets into the spot light of the general election this will become an everyday occurrence. Do the math. Obama isn't just going to win, he is going to win HUGE.

Also, if you think the Republicans aren't going to take the hit for the economy and the 97%ers embarrassment for supporting Bush you are drunk or dreaming.

The pattern is right there in front of you, but you won't see it. It is showing up in everything. Scarbouroughs reaction to Rachel is part of that pattern. The right is collapsing. If I had the time and energy I would tie it all together for you with a big blue ribbon. But I am too fucking tired and lazy to troll bash today, most days...

Figure it out for yourself, or don't.

Bgurl says this is a first for her.

snow in mid april!

"It is still has legs and shows no sign of dropping out of the News Cycle as you predicted."

~-~-~

Maybe not. The newsies love to report about themselves and what other newsies are reporting about. It's quite the cycle considering how many talking heads are out there. But, it will end eventually, because something juicier will come up, no doubts there.

But explain how Obama's numbers really haven't changed much within the margin of error in about every poll out there, Dawg? Why does he keep even, or even gain ground in some polls when the other idiots like you keep rehashing it?

Hmmmmmm. Maybe because, like the booers and hecklers of ABC's dynamic duo, real Americans are sick of this tripe shit.

But, you go ahead and worry your little self silly over one black reverend's comments. You go ahead and worry your little self silly over flag lapels pins made in China. You even go ahead and worry your little self silly thinking your neighbors and possibly your milk man are the big bad boogieman terrorists because they're brown people. You just keep on fretting.

The plus side for us in the long run is, you'll drop dead of a heart attack soon.

~-~-~

Oh, and PD? We've known it to be War Dog since, oh, forever. ;-p

It's Friday ya bastards!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv9vA_d0MVI

Wheel In The Sky-- JOURNEY

That is really sad and extremely dangerous !

Why Can't Our government put some pressure on South Africa to stop that shipment ?
Oh,I forgot we still have Bushtard running the show !

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

That was funny me asking you if you felt the first earthquake (5.2), because I guess I slept thought it. It occurred here at 4:37AM.

The aftershock I reported about in real time was 4.5. All coming from the Wabash Fault near West Salem, IL , a northern extension of the famous New Madrid fault.

Well, that was a little excitement on a Friday morning! :)

mornin Ms Trucker!

That is still no excuse for picking on POT, you weasel. Leave that guy alone. He's special and deserves a handicap.
Dragon, I can't figure you out.

Some damage done. Just on the local news.

I'll get more later and post.

Seems some street were effected and has caused damage to the surface right along with the pot holes from a bad winter.

The public's ratings of the national economy continue to sour, with assessments deteriorating faster than at any point in Washington Post-ABC News polling. Views on the Iraq war have also turned more negative, with six in 10 now rejecting the notion that the United States needs to win there to effectively battle terrorism.

The economy and the Iraq war are the top two issues on voters' minds, according to the new Post-ABC poll, and worsening opinions of both may dampen GOP hopes for the November elections.

Nine in 10 Americans now give the economy a negative rating, with a majority saying it is in "poor" shape, the most to say so in more than 15 years. And the sense that things are bad has spread swiftly. The percentage who hold a negative view of the economy is up 33 points over the past year, and the percentage who rate the economy "poor" has increased 13 points in the past two months. That is the quickest 60-day decline since The Post and ABC started asking the question, in 1985.

Views of the Iraq war have dipped as well. Now, more than six in 10 say that the conflict is not integral to the success of U.S. anti-terrorism efforts. That is the most people to reject what is one of the Bush administration's central contentions and a core part of presumed GOP presidential nominee John McCain's stand on the issue.

Moreover, while Bush remains committed to keeping more than 100,000 U.S. troops in Iraq through the rest of his presidency, 56 percent of Americans say the United States should withdraw its military forces to avoid further casualties. This has been the majority view since January 2007.

On several measures, the poll finds Republicans inching away from support for the war. Among them, a sense that progress in Iraq has stalled has increased 13 points from early March, and the percentages who prefer withdrawing troops over risking more casualties (30 percent) and who think that the battle against terrorism can be a success without victory in Iraq (39 percent) are each at new highs.

Uh oh. What's a Bush lackey to do!

Submitted by Part of the 97 ... on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 10:57am.
It is my assessment that you are working very hard to cover your last prediction.
The 3% Rev Scandal has not begun to fade away!
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If your education were one-tenth of Jimmy Carter's education, you would know the meaning of "half-life."

The Wright flap hit the news on March 13th. Today marks thirty-six days hence. Three weeks was the stated half-life. The Wright canard has diminished to less than one-fourth of its initial impact and Obama continues to increase in popularity.

My estimate was too conservative. The half-life has proved to be closer to two weeks than three.

There are many differences between you and myself. One of them is that you make statements but refuse to revisit them...like your relentless posting of photographs of Hillary Clinton with headers similar to "Salute your next Commander-In-Chief."

If I spewed a multitude of childish inanities like you do, I wouldn't want to revisit them either.

Pot,
Sure that's not the bicycle seat you've been sniffing?

this is a great speech posted last night.

MP3

http://www.fair.org/audio/Tim_Robbins_NAB_Keynote.mp3

wav

http://www.fair.org/audio/Tim_Robbins_NAB_Keynote.wav

Well Nick, it's like that neo said. I'm crass and I can't

stop picking on the Pup. Somebody HAS to do something to

inspire some growth in that guy. He's been saying the

exact same thing for three years now. String has run out!

Anyone brought this up yet?
Occurred near St. Louis, and was felt as far as Boston. It opened a chasm which allowed the Mississippi River to flow backwards!

click and give em some foods!

http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/clickToGive/home.faces?siteId=3

Condy Rice has a PhD, as do many of the psychopaths
Submitted by Peter Dragon on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 11:01am.
Well, thanks for pointing that out. I'll just move
forward in life, hoping that I'm not a psychopath. At my age, that could really get in the way of things.
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If you haven't made your psychopathic mark by now, you are a psychopathic failure. Or a failed psychopath. One or the other.

is when canuckistan burnt down the whitehouse!

I pick that one. Thanks for the option.

-the Shrub's middle name

The company's young management team in the North American headquarters look forward to a very bright future for both COSCO and their customers.
(I bet they do)

Cosco Container Lines, headquartered in Shanghai. COSCON's operations are managed by regional offices in New York, Hamburg, Sydney, Tokyo, Seoul, Singapore, Dubai, Johannesburg and Beijing. 85 representative offices are maintained in 49 countries around the world, while operational agencies are located in 1000 cities in 160 countries.
http://www.cosco-usa.com/

Coscon (UK) Ltd (formerly trading as Cosco (UK) Ltd) has been operating in the UK and Ireland market place since 1988.

Once you wake up from the kook-aid, you can never go back.
The World Needs More SEDER!

One election at a time...

That was hysterical.

Robbins put his foot knee deep into the Right's ass.

tell me the story again about the guy that he served on the woods foundation with...i dont know that story at all, (the one george s. asked him about and he came back and said bill pardoned the 2 from the same clique?) but heard on the span this morning (reading from a newspaper)that the rep's are going to swift boat him on that story...nope not wright now!!

glad they're still making them!

Come out West to feel some Real Earthquakes.

During a real earthquake your cat would have been flying thru the air..And,you wouldn't see the cat until the aftershocks stopped ;)

Frangelina(sp?)is on Stephanie's show..They crack me up. :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

punks!!

Good morning dear..

And...
my first marrage, I was a trucking mother trucker f'er.
say that three times fast

I know you have no cable or Sat Tv. You have no xm. Your world is what ever you choose to read. So it is easy for you to Pretend that The 3% Rev is fading.

But is a reach, even in a pretend world, not to acknowledge that the Whole counter-attack on ABC by the 3% was in response to Obama being asked to explain Rev Wrong.

It's on the news every night and papers every day.

Now it's boiling over on the Internet!

If you can further isolate yourself from The Real World you can make this go away now! Just close your eyes a little tighter!

OMG
Submitted by mo lib on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 11:18am.
I think we're having a little earthquake right now. (Saint Louis)

Everything is shaking. Lasted about 30-40 seconds. Nothing fell off the walls. But the tables and the chair I'm sitting in were shaking!
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D.T.'s? Have a drink.
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Yes, I just experienced an aftershock
Submitted by mo lib on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 11:23am.
from the Illinois earthquake...My cat was sitting on the desk by me and just started looking around like "what is going on?"
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Non-human animals are supposed to anticipate quakes. (Apparently cats, not so much.)
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I live on the 3rd floor of a pre WW II
Submitted by mo lib on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 11:27am.
brick building. And, the whole building was shaking.
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Couldn't you find a more dangerous place to sit out a quake?

Lucy, you are so funny that it would have been tragic if you had really run away!

Your twists on reality are even more fun to watch that those of Mister Bait!

Just checked it out:

"The granddaddy of them all (eastern and midwestern state earthquakes" was the 1811-1812 series of three great quakes on the New Madrid Fault (halfway between St. Louis and Memphis beneath the Mississippi), which shook the entire United States. The next time the New Madrid Fault produces such a quake, it is estimated 60 percent of Memphis will be devastated, leaving $50 Billion in damage and thousands of dead in its wake. Memphis, you see - like Armenia - has looked down the barrel of a loaded seismic gun for decades, but has done virtually nothing to move out of the crosshairs."
http://hsv.com/genlintr/newmadrd/

Just heard an interview with a scientist from University of Missouri-Rolla. He said we are over-due for a 6-6.5 earthquake. They occur every 70 or so years. And, the last one was 1843. So we have been due since 1985.

http://www.samsedershow.com/node/2916#comment-185853

Ongoing nomination fight hurting Clinton more than Obama
By CHARLES BABINGTON and TREVOR TOMPSON, Associated Press Writers
WASHINGTON (AP) — In a dramatic reversal, an Associated Press-Yahoo! News poll found that a clear majority of Democratic voters now say Sen. Barack Obama has a better chance of defeating Republican Sen. John McCain in November than Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

While Obama and Clinton are both sustaining dents and dings from their lengthy presidential fight, the former first lady is clearly suffering more. Democratic voters no longer see her as the party's strongest contender for the White House.

Voters of all types have gotten a better sense of Obama, who was an obscure Illinois legislator just four years ago. As more people moved from the "I don't know him" category in the AP-Yahoo! News poll, more rated Obama as inexperienced, unethical and dishonest. And 15 percent erroneously think he's a Muslim, thanks in part to disinformation widely spread on the Internet.

But Obama's positive ratings have climbed as well, while Clinton — widely known since the early 1990s — has been less able to change people's views of her. And when those views have shifted, it has hurt her more than helped.

The New York senator's ratings for being honest, likable, ethical and refreshing have fallen since January, and Obama scores higher than she does in all those categories.

http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-obama-gains&pri...

Shit man...,you should see the fun we have when you post.

Wish you could be there. LOL.

"Non-human animals are supposed to anticipate quakes. (Apparently cats, not so much.)" Ha!

"Couldn't you find a more dangerous place to sit out a quake?" I know!!

I didn't know about earthquakes here when I moved in about 7 years ago. Of course, if you have spent any time in Saint Louis, you know pretty much all the buildings are pre WWII. :)

Reelfoot Lake

Popular history says that the lake was formed when the region subsided after the New Madrid earthquakes of 1811–1812, and that the Mississippi River flowed backward for 10-24 hours to fill it. The observations of the few persons in the region at time confirm that something serious occurred in the Reelfoot area in conjunction with the earthquakes, and that it undoubtedly resulted in major changes in the landforms of the area (which are very changeable at any rate, as the area is comprised primarily of glacial loess).

Sorry I missed your post!

Thanks.

E Street Band Member Danny Federici Dies

NEW YORK — Danny Federici, the longtime keyboard player for Bruce Springsteen whose stylish work helped define the E Street Band's sound on hits from "Hungry Heart" through "The Rising," died Thursday. He was 58.

Federici, who had battled melanoma for three years, died at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York. News of his death was posted late Thursday on Springsteen's official Web site.

He last performed with Springsteen and the band last month, appearing during portions of a March 20 show in Indianapolis.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/17/e-street-band-member-dann_n_973...

Specter: Mukasey Is 'Still Wearing His Robe'

Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) today accused the Bush administration of being overly obstinate on a range of controversial issues, expressing particular frustration at Attorney General Michael Mukasey's unwillingness to compromise.

"Mukasey is non-negotiable," Specter said at a meeting with the Washington Post editorial board. "Mukasey is still wearing his robe."

Feisty and opinionated as ever despite a recent recurrence of Hodgkin's Disease, the top Judiciary Committee Republican was especially pointed on the subject of Mukasey and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, lamenting that the former federal judge refused to budge from the Bush administration's position that telecommunications companies must be granted retroactive immunity for their past cooperation with intelligence operations.

Echoing the complaint of many Democrats, Specter said, "I think retroactive immunity is exactly wrong. ... How can you ask for retroactive immunity in a context where you don't even know what you're immunizing?"

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2008/04/specter_mukasey_...

we got all the friends that money can buy

~`~`~`~`~`~
Jamesbennett

Hey George: How's That Plan to Lower Gas Prices by Sucking Up to Oil Producers Working?

Hey, remember 2000? We had an election that year!

Let's recall then-candidate George W. Bush's pitch about how he'd lower gas prices, which at the time were averaging $1.66 per gallon. ...

He'd just build up a boatload of goodwill within the Arab world and then tell those rag-heads to open up the spigot!

When Bush made that oath to put the squeeze on his Saudi cousins, crude oil was trading at about $35 per barrel.

Skipping forward to the present, Reuters reports on a new poll that finds, "Eight out of 10 Arabs have an unfavorable view of the United States."

"The price of New York oil hit a record high 115.54 dollars per barrel on Thursday."

Average price of a gallon of gas today: $3.35

Rush is thanking Bush for "bringing God to Washington" yesterday during the ceremony for the Pope.

Rush: "It stirred my soul"

I experienced a few mild earth quakes.

You're right MMR. These quakes here aren't as rolling.

Down town Chicago inspecting high rises and bridges for structure damage.

Delegates pressured for support

Virginia's six uncommitted superdelegates are facing new pressure from Democratic activists to back Barack Obama for president.

In a letter to the superdelegates, 40 party leaders from some of the largest localities express fear that the fight between Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton is weakening the party and only helps John McCain, the probable Republican nominee.

"Where we're going is destructive," said Fairfax County Democratic Chairman Scott A. Surovell, who endorsed Obama after former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards quit the race.

In the letter, the county, city and congressional district chairmen urge the unpledged superdelegates to support Obama because primary outcomes -- including the Illinois senator's big win in Virginia in February -- augur his nomination.

http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/news.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2008-04-08-...

I thought all us lefties WANTED higher and higher oil prices in order to force all us gas guzzling Americans to conserve and move to alternative fuels. Why all the complaints about high oil prices? The higher the price, the better, no?

thats a joke right?

> George W on Rush now!
>
> Submitted by mo lib on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 12:14pm.

Hmmm. You listen to Rush, huh.

Isn't that bizarre?

He was dead serious.
These people live in a different universe than I do.

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord;
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored;
He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword;
His truth is marching on.
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! His truth is marching on.

I have seen Him in the watch fires of a hundred circling camps
They have builded Him an altar in the evening dews and damps;
I can read His righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps;
His day is marching on.
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! His day is marching on.

I have read a fiery Gospel writ in burnished rows of steel;
“As ye deal with My contemners, so with you My grace shall deal”;
Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with His heel,
Since God is marching on.
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Since God is marching on.

He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat;
He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgment seat;
Oh, be swift, my soul, to answer Him! be jubilant, my feet;
Our God is marching on.
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Our God is marching on.

In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea,
With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me:
As He died to make men holy, let us live to make men free;
[originally …let us die to make men free]
While God is marching on.
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! While God is marching on.

He is coming like the glory of the morning on the wave,
He is wisdom to the mighty, He is honor to the brave;
So the world shall be His footstool, and the soul of wrong His slave,
Our God is marching on.
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Our God is marching on.

1. Process (VP running mate)

2. Bitter

3. Bitter/Process (can Obama win?)

4. Process (can Obama win?)

5. Process (can Clinton win?)

6. Wright

7. Wright

8. Wright/patriotism

9. Wright

10. Wright/patriotism

11. Bosnia/Clinton's honesty

12. Clinton’s honesty

13. Flag pin/patriotism

14. Ayers/patriotism

15. Iraq (would you ignore commanders?)

16. Iraq (do you know better than commanders?)

17. Iraq (would you ignore commanders?)

18. Iran/Israel (Iran will threaten to use nukes)

19. Pledge no tax increases (with McCain attack)

20. Capital gains tax rates

21. Gun registration

22. Guns/ D.C. law

23. Affirmative action

24. Gas prices

25. Foreign oil

26. Process (how would you use GWB?)

27. Process (superdelegates)

I tune in to Rush sometimes to hear how the "right wing wackos" spin the news.

Oh quit it knob. You post here don't you.

therein lies the problem....."dead" my dad used to say once you stop feeling consider yourself dead!!

Who is knob?

it's another one of those funny campaign videos from Seder friend Jon Benjamin, nice!

http://video.236.com/services/link/bcpid1272014315/bclid1125909605/bctid...

It's tough to find a good PR man these days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed opens today in a theatre near you.

Submitted by MMRules on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 11:52am.
Come out West to feel some Real Earthquakes.
-----
I assume that you are aware that frequent fault slippage is (theoretically) preferable to rare, no-holds-barred, ohmygod slippage?

The New Madrid fault is worrisome to experts. I might be distant enough to survive a Big One without damage. On the other hand, I am sitting atop rock. On the other other hand, I'm not in a pre-WWII multistory brick building.

And for non-Missourians, New Madrid is not pronounced like the capital of Spain. For some unknown reason, Madrid rhymes with bad rid. It's not my fault. (I know. It was a long way to go for a pun.)

...everybody knows that.

deleted

shows i may have something to learn about embeds yet

On the other hand...you still capitalize his name. JK

But since it is a proper noun, I probably would've anyway.

The movement to convert San Diego schools to solar power has stalled — because it has led to a huge increase in energy costs. The San Diego Union Tribune reports electric bills went up $20,000 a year after solar energy systems were installed in 28 schools. So a plan to put solar in a total of 50 schools has run out of steam.

The administrator who runs the solar project for the Lemon Grove district says schools went solar not just to save money but to provide a lesson in planetary stewardship.

But one school board member says the unanticipated costs have taken money away from the classroom and put it into the hands of the utility companies.

School officials are hoping that an electricity rate change coming in May will work to their favor — but will not propose any more solar panel installations until they see what happens.

JK means just kidding. But, you bring up a good point. It's

hard NOT to hedge your bet. LOL

friday

~`~`~`~`~`~
Jamesbennett

Scandals come and go, and this election cycle has had its share of 24-hour news uproars. But every once in a while an event comes along that sticks, and in the process changes the political equation. Mr. Obama's description at a San Francisco fund-raiser of "bitter," small-town Americans who "cling" to their guns and their God is looking to be such a moment. Let us count the ways in which Mr. Obama might now be wishing he'd stuck to Internet fund raising:

- "Yes We Can" has devolved into "Who the Heck Is This Guy?" Mr. Obama's political brilliance to date has been to use his message of hope to deflect questions about himself or his record. He'd actually created the perception that to challenge him was to challenge "hope" itself. Think back to that soaring race speech, which so successfully turned the debate toward America's shared problem, and away from Mr. Obama's individual Jeremiah Wright problem. But the San Fran comments proved one scandal too many; man and message have now been delinked.

And so nearly the whole first hour of Wednesday's debate was devoted to Mr. Obama's gun-God comments, his wisdom in sticking with a rabid pastor, his links to 1960s radicals, even his patriotism. The candidate's frustration was visible, and he spent yesterday complaining the debate was the latest in "gotcha games" that take away from the "issues." Then again, among the important "issues" for many voters are a candidate's beliefs, character and judgment. Mr. Obama will just have to get used to it.

Where's that?

Is Eliane Elias the best female jazz piantist since Marian

McPartland?

I say yes. Comments?

don't be fooled by the title or the trailer. this is just a shameless plug for that idiocy known as creationism and intelligent design. whenever you start to think there might be something to intelligent design, just remember that god gave us neocons like bush and limbaugh.

The Wal-Mart project could more than 300 kilowatts of panels on over 300 stores thus providing Wal-Mart with more than 100 megawatts of solar power.

May 9, 2007 ... Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. announced a purchase of solar power from three solar power providers, BP Solar, SunEdison LLC, and PowerLight, ...
www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/story?id=48431

NAH! He's hip to all that jive shit!

Here's the real deal.....YOU and people like YOU will have

to get used to Obama.

"Come out West to feel some Real Earthquakes."

No thanks!

It sounds like the one we are overdue for is 6-6.5.
That's big enough for me!

themselves living proof of the fallacy of their argument! All you have to do is look at them to realize they were not intelligently designed!

Hamas endorsed Barack Obama for President on Sunday. Yesterday, after Hamas's endorsement was reported here and elsewhere, his campaign tried to distance Obama from the terrorist group:

"Senator Obama has repeatedly rejected and denounced the actions of Hamas, a terrorist organization responsible for the deaths of many innocents, that is dedicated to Israel's destruction," Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor said.

Left unaddressed by the campaign was what it is about Obama's policies that makes his candidacy so attractive to a leading terrorist organization. Here is one obvious possibility: Iran controls Hamas. Obama has said that as President, he would meet one-on-one with Iranian leaders, without preconditions. Perhaps Hamas's endorsement reflects Iran's pleasure at the prospect of an American President with whom the mullahs can do business.

This is old news. It has been been in zillions of news articles and the brunt of jokes on Kimmel and Letterman.

But I am still stunned by its absurdity.

Bush to Pope: "Thank you, Your Holiness. Awesome speech."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXwqQFS8t6o

you should stick to lying about graphs asshat.

the electric bill went up because the utility companies stuck it to the school district.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/education/20080416-9999-1n16solar.htm...

Evolution is a slow and painful process. :-)

crassness!

Anybody give a shit?

sticking up for the midwest,Crank..
Though Predictable,point taken.. :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Now if it were the other way around, you would have something.

Finished listening to the new disk
by MOBY
If you're in the mood for some techno up-tempo music
its a real pick-me-up.

"Last Night"

Posted: Apr 16, 2008 - 10:36:56 PDT

Earthquake swarm puzzles researchers
By Terry Dillman Of the News-Times

Unusual. Unique. Even weird.

That's how researchers at Oregon State University's Hatfield Marine Science Center (HMSC) are describing a swarm of earthquakes they are monitoring off the central Oregon coast, about 150 nautical miles southwest of Newport. Since April 1, they have recorded more than 600 quakes in an area not known for a high level of seismic activity.

"We've never seen a swarm of earthquakes in an area such as this," said Robert Dziak, who is among the scientists from OSU using a network of underwater hydrophones to listen for the sounds of ocean floor earthquakes and other phenomena from their labs at HMSC. "We're not certain what it means."

A marine geologist and seismologist who works with both OSU and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory, Dziak called the swarm "unique" because it's occurring in the middle of what's known as the Juan de Fuca plate, rather than at the edges where it rubs against other such plates in the earth's crust.

[...]
http://www.newportnewstimes.com/articles/2008/04/16/news/news02.txt

WHAT IS THE CASCADIA SUBDUCTION ZONE?
http://www.pnsn.org/HAZARDS/CASCADIA/cascadia_zone.html

Nunn, Boren endorse Obama

ERIE, Pa. -- Sen. Barack Obama has won the backing of former senators Sam Nunn and David Boren, his campaign announced today.

Nunn and Boren will also serve as advisers on Obama's National Security Foreign Policy Team. Nunn was a one-time chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, while Boren was the longest-serving chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/04/nunn_boren_en...

If you like piano jazz you should check her out. She's

from Rio. Bill Evan's influenced. Sweet touch and great

phrasing. You go girl!

The only difference is: Hamas really has endorsed Obama...and you made that shit up about the Nazi party and McCain. Typical.

Ben Stein's new idiot attracting movie. Saw the trailers on TV.

Gravitas, quit trying to push your garbage here!!!

We know better and are several steps ahead of you.

Things are changing. Accept it.

after this incident..
Now he lies about solar energy and just about everything..Plus he listens to Pigboy & Mancoulter..
But,the Doctors say he's stalking is way down..
He just stalks on the Internet mostly,now..

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Oh, trust me, I've tried. But MTV somehow keeps sucking me back in.

Funny, I have cable, I have XM, I have the internet tubes too. And, I read several newspapers every day. I just don't see or hear or read anything to the level you are talking about. Most of us have moved on from it. But, now we know which particular cable programs you watch, which XM station you listen to, and which newspapers you choose to read (like we didn't know already, but just driving home a point).

And that's fine. Obsess about it all you want on your side of the aisle. The rest of us will focus on what's really important. You seem to like to indulge the trivial and mundane. That's okay. It's about all your IQ can handle.

David Boren - Oklahoma

Sam Nunn - Georgia

People have suggested Nunn might be a vp possibility for Obama.

save it fellator

[ MMR --- I went through oasis deux and many-many of the links are broken.
only once a year on yr bday maybe...]
~`~`~`~`~`~
Jamesbennett

Woods Fund Could Become
Obama's 'Swift Boat'
Name of Radical
Raised in Debate
Will Be Heard Again
By CHRISTOPHER COOPER
April 18, 2008; Page A6

Sen. Hillary Clinton's reference to a Chicago charitable organization may have flown over the heads of viewers of Wednesday's Democratic debate. But many in Washington wonder whether the Woods Fund could be the "swift boat" of this campaign.

The Woods Charitable Fund of Chicago is a touchstone in the latest controversy swirling around Sen. Obama's past associations. In this case, the association is with William Ayers, a 1970s radical turned college professor, whose tenure as a director of the charity overlapped with Sen. Obama's for three years ending in 2001.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120848023736325005.html?mod=googlenews_w...

EPA Again Asserts Executive Privilege Against Embarrassment
EPA chief Stephen Johnson has deployed a variety of methods to thwart Congressional scrutiny. There's been old fashioned stonewalling. Testimonial gobbledygook. And of course fleeing the hemisphere. But today he goes back to an old favorite.

Can we assert that we, the people, will no longer pay them if they aren't accountable to us? Love to test that one in court!

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/04/020327.php
April 18, 2008
Obama Seeks Distance From Hamas

Hamas endorsed Barack Obama for President on Sunday. Yesterday, after Hamas's endorsement was reported here and elsewhere, his campaign tried to distance Obama from the terrorist group:
[...]
But Powerline's source says this:
Washington Times

"Senator Obama has repeatedly rejected and denounced the actions of Hamas, a terrorist organization responsible for the deaths of many innocents, that is dedicated to Israel's destruction," Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor said.

Poor gravitas, all belittled and abused. Don't be afraid to site your sources, so we can laugh louder at your propaganda...k?

That happens in Authoritarian regimes...tsk tsk

CB - "I am sitting atop rock"
Submitted by mo lib on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 12:33pm.
Where's that?
------
The Ozarks karst region. I can spit across the Missouri-Arkansas border.

The soil is barely deep enough to cover the rock. I could be sitting above a cavern, too. Or a river.

Well, not yet, but if history has any say... might as well expect it.

"Islamic fundamentalism" has consistently been used to support US foreign policy interests.

"What is the difference between jihad in Afghanistan and jihad in Iraq? What is the difference between the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan and US occupation of Iraq?'

~-~-~

Jesus, gravitas. you gonna drop a bombshell like that and not provide the link?

Oh, I forgot, you probably don't know HOW to do that. The drawbacks of home-schooling. Pity.

I'm bitter about Hillary constantly mentioning "San Francisco" to curry favor with the religious right
by John Aravosis (DC) · 4/18/2008 12:40:00 PM ET · Link

Anyone else notice that Hillary and her staff keep gratuitously mentioning "San Francisco" when talking about Obama's "bitter" comments? Markos noticed it too: "I remember the good ol' days when only Republicans used to demonize San Francisco," Markos wrote yesterday. (A DailyKos diarist noticed it too, as did the readers at popular gay news and culture site Datalounge.) And we all know what San Francisco is code for. Now let's examine what Hillary was after. From the NYT:

http://www.americablog.com/2008/04/im-bitter-about-hillary-constantly.ht...

And once again, a fascist misses the point.

It is not about who endorses who....it's a matter if WE

GIVE A SHIT!

Idiots who know nothing about Israel but to use it as blunt instrument in our politics should check first with the Israeli public as to what the Israeli posture toward Hamas should be..

The *real* third-rail of politics

by Markos (Dailykos) Moulitsas Page 1 of 1 page(s)

by kos

Blogger One Drop makes a spot-on observation:

Don't let all of the blathering about which candidates are "elitist" or "out of touch" distract you from the real significance of "Bittergate." The issue isn't really that Obama talked about people who "cling" to guns or religion. The issue is that he got too close to the real Third Rail of politics

Social Security is not the Third Rail, no matter what the media tells you. No, the Third Rail is economic class. Try talking about income disparity in America, what do you get? "You're engaging in class warfare!" The same cries of protest are sounded whenever one suggests that the Bush tax cuts were mostly aimed at the wealthy, or that doing away with the estate tax was only beneficial to something like the top 1% of Americans. No, we musn't talk about the working class or the middle class getting a raw deal economically. In other words, we musn't criticize the real elites in this country, namely the wealthy and the politically connected.

Absofuckinglutely. That's why Jim Webb gave the political class palpitations when he wrote this in the WSJ shortly after winning, when the idiot pundit class was still proclaiming him a "conservative" Democrat.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_markos__28_080417_the__2areal_2a...

More silly shit, Grav.

Just like the other day when you were quoting 'jihadwatch' and trying to pass it off as news.

A quick google search of your statement reveals quickly its origin: more right-wing hate groups.

'rightwingnews.com'

'moonbattery.com'

'newsmax.com'

Don't blame us, we told you so.

~-~-~

WASHINGTON — The war in Iraq has become "a major debacle" and the outcome "is in doubt" despite improvements in security from the buildup in U.S. forces, according to a highly critical study published Thursday by the Pentagon's premier military educational institute.

The report released by the National Defense University raises fresh doubts about President Bush's projections of a U.S. victory in Iraq just a week after Bush announced that he was suspending U.S. troop reductions.

The report carries considerable weight because it was written by Joseph Collins, a former senior Pentagon official, and was based in part on interviews with other former senior defense and intelligence officials who played roles in prewar preparations.

It was published by the university's National Institute for Strategic Studies, a Defense Department research center.

"Measured in blood and treasure, the war in Iraq has achieved the status of a major war and a major debacle," says the report's opening line.

At the time the report was written last fall, more than 4,000 U.S. and foreign troops, more than 7,500 Iraqi security forces and as many as 82,000 Iraqi civilians had been killed and tens of thousands of others wounded, while the cost of the war since March 2003 was estimated at $450 billion.

"No one as yet has calculated the costs of long-term veterans' benefits or the total impact on service personnel and materiel," wrote Collins, who was involved in planning post-invasion humanitarian operations.

The report said that the United States has suffered serious political costs, with its standing in the world seriously diminished. Moreover, operations in Iraq have diverted "manpower, materiel and the attention of decision-makers" from "all other efforts in the war on terror" and severely strained the U.S. armed forces.

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