Seder V. Maron at 11am and Dodd

;)

{am I Alpha maybe Beta? LOL}...Yea

"We’re finally at a moment when Bush needs the world more than the world needs Bush"
----
One election at a time...

Morning everyone
I love all of the Sederites
Listening to Stephanie MIller - Funny stuff..

I thought I was frist - but Wiccid & pbtrue1 beat me

Here is the email I received from Chris Dodd this morning:
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We have been through a lot in this past year and your friendship and support have meant so much to me. That is why I wanted to let you know of my decision to endorse a Democratic candidate for President - and that I have decided to support Barack Obama.

We all understand how much is at stake in this election and that it is more important than ever that we put a Democrat in the White House.

And while both of our Party's remaining candidates are extremely talented and would make excellent commanders-in-chief, I am throwing my support to the candidate who I believe will open the most eyes to our shared Democratic vision.

I'm deeply proud to be the first 2008 Democratic presidential candidate to endorse Barack Obama. He is ready to be President. And I am ready to support him - to work with him and for him and help elect him our 44th President.

Put simply, I believe Barack Obama is uniquely qualified to help us face this housing crisis, create good jobs, strengthen America's families in this 21st century global economy, unite the world against terrorism and end the war in Iraq - and perhaps most importantly, call the American people to shared service and sacrifice. In this campaign, he has drawn millions of voters into politics for the first time in their lives and shown us that we are united by so much more than that which divides us.

That is why I believe the time has come for Democrats to come together as a Party and focus on winning the general election. The stakes are too high not to.

The last seven years have been as difficult as any I can remember. More than ever, we need a President who will inspire us to take part in the political process and change our country's path.

Today, when we need it most, we are hearing a new call from Barack Obama. And I hope you, like me, will answer it in the affirmative.

Please get involved in Barack Obama's campaign now: http://action.barackobama.com/doddsupporters

Sincerely,

Chris Dodd

thats not funny!

Hey Sandy, It looks like a winter wonderland outside this morning.
There must be at least 8 inches of that nasty four letter word on the ground, and the trees and powerlines are all frosted.
gorgeous..

OMG I hate winter.

Lucille - how are you this A.M.?

sup kitty "im too blessed to be stressed" HA as they say round my way!

I know pbtrue1 - I am NOT liking this, usually I don.t mind it.
But I guess since I have gotten older - I want spring & summer more.
Plus I am SO tired of having to get all dressed up to keep warm.

do i de-claw the pussy when i get it?

Hey I love that... I have to remember that saying - because sometimes I get all into
stupid things that don't matter. Tanks doll :)

it varies based upon personal taste. ... don't FEAR the claws - try it you might like it!

Hillary Clinton and
the Israel Lobby
by Joshua Frank

George W. Bush's position on Iran is "disturbing" and "dangerous," reads a position paper written in late 2005 by American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). One year ago the Bush administration accepted a Russian proposal to allow Iran to continue to develop nuclear energy under Russian supervision. Needless to say, AIPAC wasn't the least bit happy about the compromise.

In a letter to congressional allies, mostly Democrats, the pro-Israel organization admitted it was "concerned that the decision not to go to the Security Council, combined with the U.S. decision to support the 'Russian proposal,' indicates a disturbing shift in the Administration's policy on Iran and poses a danger to the U.S. and our allies."

Israel, however, continues to develop a substantial nuclear arsenal. In 2000, the British Broadcasting Corporation reported that Israel has likely produced enough plutonium to make up to 200 nuclear weapons. So it is safe to say that Israel's bomb-building technologies are light years ahead of Iran's budding nuclear program. Yet Israel still won't admit they have capacity to produce such deadly weapons.

http://www.antiwar.com/frank/?articleid=10372

you know I WILL LOVE that, but i dont think my little one would!

is illegal in California. :)

On eve of debate, Gennifer Flowers says she'll auction tapes of President ClintonRAW STORY

As if Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) didn't have enough to worry about.

Gennifer Flowers, who accused then-presidential candidate Bill Clinton of having a twelve-year relationship with her in 1992, announced Monday she is auctioning tapes of conversations she had with the former president.

“I don’t need to hurt Hillary," a jilted Flowers announced in the Las Vegas Review Journal Tuesday. "She is doing a fine job of that herself, along with her idiot husband. Karma is an interesting thing. If these two don’t get elected, and they are a team, it will be karma coming back to visit them. It's about time."

Clinton admitted having sexual relations with Flowers, once, in his autobiography, My Life.

Major media panned Flowers' timing, and the tapes' suspected content.

Bemoans the Los Angeles Times: "One can only imagine what else is on those tapes about shopping lists, the stock market and the dry cleaners. Those preserved phone conversations all came before Monica and what's-her-name and the other one with the big hair."

Flowers doesn't deny she's looking for money. She told the Journal she's "kept the tapes 'very safe all these years, and when I just recently received more interest, I said, 'Why not?'"

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/On_eve_of_debate_Gennifer_Flowers_0226.htm...

I am thinking that because Chris Dodd was the first presidential candidate to endorse Barack Obama that the prospect of Dodd becoming Majority Leader in the Senate is enhanced, if Obama is elected President. How great would that be to have President Obama and Chris Dodd Senate Majority Leader. Just think what might get done!!

The Problem with Barack Obama's Israel Pose
by Joshua Frank

Sen. Barack Obama isn't quite sure how he feels about the lopsided situation between Israel and Palestine. Less than two weeks after Obama gloated to AIPAC about his love for Israel, he unexpectedly admitted the truth while campaigning in Iowa recently. "[N]obody is suffering more than the Palestinian people..." said Obama, "the Israeli government must make difficult concessions for the peace process to restart..." The truth hurts indeed, and Obama has been feeling the wrath of the pro-Israel activists since his statement last week.

Nonetheless, Obama shouldn't be trusted on the issue. While Rep. Dennis Kucinich hired avid pro-Palestine advocate Noura Erakat to sit on the Oversight and Government Reform Committee, Obama has been backpedaling – assuring AIPAC and others that he is unwavering in his support for Israel's continued bullying of Iran and occupation of Palestine.

"[Iran] is a genuine threat" to the United States and Israel, expressed Obama at a forum sponsored by AIPAC on March 12 in Washington D.C., only one day after his lucid remarks in Iowa. At the event Obama also reiterated that he would not rule out the use of force in disarming Iran, a position shared by the other leading Democratic presidential contenders, Hillary Clinton and John Edwards.

http://www.antiwar.com/frank/?articleid=10683

What is the status - TRMS podcast is not available through iTunes - of AAR online?

Good morning!
Congrats on your new computer, your son sounds like a wonderful kid.
Personally, I would go with the declaw on the front feet anyway.
I have one tiny female that I didn't have the heart to declaw and my entire house has become a scratching post.
NOT cool

"We’re finally at a moment when Bush needs the world more than the world needs Bush"
----
One election at a time...

thank god for New York, but kidding aside though wouldnt they be scratching the crap out of my baby? and whats up with this throwing up thingy...am i going to walk around wiping up cat vomit?

Was that really Chubby that was in here last night or was

it a nic stealer? If it was Chubbs....he must be off his

meds. He really pissed me off.

Pa. man charged in stabbing after spat over Obama vs. Clinton

By Associated Press February 25, 2008

NORRISTOWN, Pa. (AP) — Montgomery County authorities say a man stabbed his brother-in-law during an argument over who should get the Democratic nomination for president.

What’s more, 28-year-old Jose Ortiz, who’s charged with felony assault, is a registered Republican.

District Attorney Risa Ferman says Ortiz supports Hillary Clinton and Sean Shurelds supports Barack Obama. She says they got into an argument in a Collegeville home and Shurelds tried to choke Ortiz. She says Ortiz then stabbed Shurelds in the abdomen.

Shurelds was listed in critical condition at a hospital.

http://www.cumberlink.com/articles/2008/02/25/breaking_news/breaking850....

well look who his mother is?? teehee--
thanks, i am trying to learn as much as i can before her birthday in july, she will love it i just know..(i wont)

I AM CANCELING Stephie due to her & the "& the Mooks'" actions....do to BIAS pro Obama -- father who PAID for her 'SC degree was her way, not on "talent".
WOW "EDIT" I'm Just Say'n', I could. LMAO.

I am keeping Ring of Fire & Rachel & possibly CLOUT, since he had on Rosanne Barr PRO HILLARY. And will be contacting several "other" places.

I Never Voted For Nader Nor bush

the shit gets funnier everyday

It's like amputating part of his paws!

If you are lucky you can train him to use a scratching post. And, keeping his claws clipped will help. I clip my 2 cats claws. It's pretty easy.

There are a lot of helpful tips out there on how to train a cat to use a scratching post.

Sorry to inform you that Roseanne has changed her position. Last night she had Rosie O'Donnell on and Rosie very deftly steered Roseanne to the LIGHT! Roseanne now is advocating an Obama/Clinton ticket.

Reagan Democrats played a key role in electing a new present in 1980; now Obama Republicans seem to be emerging as a significant political force - at least in the primaries.

In the Wisconsin primary, almost nine per cent of Obama's vote came from Republicans, according to exit polls. Other states that permitted Republicans to vote in the Democratic primary include Virginia, where almost seven per cent of Obama's support came from Republicans - and the Democrats dream of carrying Republican Virginia in the fall. In Missouri, almost six per cent of Obama's support came from Republicans. Missouri is a key swing state that has voted for the winner in every presidential election since 1904 except one.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion?pid=290350

this is why i am fucked up today....do/dont/doesnt
WHICH ONE IS IT!!!...jeez!
alright i will follow my heart thats it! probably chop the whole paw off!

By Robert Davis, USA TODAY
NASSAWADOX, Va. — In the modest building that houses Shore Memorial Hospital in this town of about 600 people between the Chesapeake and Hog Island bays, a health care crisis is brewing.
It's a problem rooted in the 1980s and 1990s, when U.S. medical schools put a cap on enrollments, believing that managed health care, among other factors, would create a glut of doctors.

They were wrong. And now the impact of a national shortage of surgeons and family practice doctors is echoing across the country.

The shortage of surgeons is a particular threat to the health care of 54 million rural Americans, medical specialists say, including the "watermen" who catch crabs, scoop clams and grow oysters here.

Shore Memorial, which on average has 61 patient admissions a day, was built 70 years ago to save lives being lost to simple ills such as appendicitis. Having a surgeon is vital to keeping open the doors of Shore Memorial and thousands of other small hospitals like it.

But as local doctors have moved away from this community or retired during the past 10 years, the ranks have fallen from seven full-time surgeons to two. There also are only two anesthesiologists; one is nearing retirement.

Medical schools were "woefully wrong" in their calculations, says Josef Fischer, who as chairman of surgery at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston trains new surgeons every year. "It's going to be tough in this situation to make it better."

From the late 1970s to the mid-1990s, several national advisory groups, including the Institute of Medicine and the Council on Graduate Medical Education, issued reports forecasting a surplus of physicians. As a result, medical schools voluntarily held enrollment relatively constant at about 16,000 new students a year. From 1980 to 2005, enrollment was flat while the U.S. population grew by more than 70 million, according to the Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC).

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2008-02-26-doctor-shortage_N.htm

Do Not Declaw!
new
Submitted by mo lib on Tue, 02/26/2008 - 10:20am.

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i know a somebody with s fully de-clawed cat.. the cat seems very happy. i would be happy if i slept 23 hours a day.

and what ever you do, preach 'Abstenance only' to your kitty.

That worked out so well in my house....NOT lol

Puking could be worms, or hairballs. Dose it with a good wormer, and scrub the litter box thoroughly. Only a suggestion.
sorry, but it's a dang animal....

"We’re finally at a moment when Bush needs the world more than the world needs Bush"
----
One election at a time...

Weird.. I was reading your post & one of my kitties was throwing up.
He (Noodles) ate some onion skin.
I have 5 inside kitties Lucille as you probably know. I clean up puke all of the time.
More than I like..
Consistency is the key with any pet that you are trying to train. If it is scratching on something or someone
you remove the kitty & put it by the scratching post. mo lib is correct you can do it !!!!

My neutered and declawed cat still climbs trees, and is an avid hunter. He hasn't suffered a moment of PTSD.

"We’re finally at a moment when Bush needs the world more than the world needs Bush"
----
One election at a time...

ya big tease

WHAT? the muthafuckers are going to be jumping my kids bones too?

that is EVIL. De-Clawing in my opinion is not right. Just my opinion.

Do Not Declaw!
new
Submitted by mo lib on Tue, 02/26/2008 - 10:20am.

If the cat gets out THEY CANNOT DEFEND THEMSELVES! We had 4 plus children and had cats when even we were in MaMa's Tummy.

AND RE Rosie.... I did not mention her because I do not have the time to say all...Rosie wanted ALL to get along (simply put)... I heard it a bit differently than you. I heard & respect ROSIE and her opinions ... But it SOUNDED to me That Rosanne said Yes Lets have the Hill & Obama ... aka the two running. They even said Hillary would NEVER run as VP.

do you have an actual kitty or an adult cat..?

McCain to FEC: Why Can't You Leave Me Alone?
The McCain campaign's lawyer Trevor Potter writes to the campaign to argue that his client has "a constitutional right to withdraw from the program."

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/todays_must_read_284.p...

de-clawing & sleeping are 2 different things..
sleeping is a little less stressful & a little less painful.
de-clawing is painful & stressful!

what the hell is that now? the wall the door what is that? i now wondering now if i can do this!

Inflation soared in January
by Chris in Paris · 2/26/2008 10:01:00 AM ET · Link
Discuss this post here: Comments (11) · reddit · FARK ·· Digg It!

More evidence of stagflation, not to mention incompetence by Bernanke.
The Labor Department said Tuesday that wholesale prices rose 1 percent last month, more than double the 0.4 percent increase that economists had been expecting.

The January surge left wholesale prices rising by 7.5 percent over the past 12 months, the fastest pace in more than 26 years, since prices had risen at a 7.5 percent pace in the 12 months ending in October 1981.
In his desire to help out Wall Street his policies are brutalizing average Americans who can't keep up with rising costs. This troubled economy is still in the beginning phase of unraveling and Washington is doing its best to drag it out.

This isn't like the S&L crisis of John McCain's 1980s where a few billion could patch things up. We are looking at hundreds of billions of dollars of bad business that were allowed because of GOP policies. It's not as easy as writing a few checks and hoping it will work out. Specific policy by Republicans brought us here and it's going to take a few years to get past this. We now need to decide if we are going to throw good money after bad to Wall Street or help minimize inflation for the general population. At the moment, it's all for Wall Street.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080226/ap_on_go_ot/economy;_ylt=Ao_DVQ5I5Eh...

All I'm saying is my friend treats the cat nice and its happy. I wouldnt pay for elective surgery on an animal...not natural.

I have goldfish, to absorb badluck.

toniD - you have a lot of snow by you. We have at least 6 inches.
I want spring - how about you?

With a little effort and commitment to your cat's welfare, you can eliminate the excuse to
declaw your cat and make him or her a better companion as well.

Three-Point Program
To train a kitten or to retrain an adult cat requires the following measures:

See Link for information...

This scratching post has been cat tested and approved by various felines. If you would rather buy this scratching post already made, SmartCat makes a sisal post called the Ultimate Scratching Post that you can purchase.

Here is a list of the supplies needed (These supplies can be purchased at any building supply store).

One cedar post that is about 30" tall and at least 4" in diameter
A bundle of non-oiled sisal rope measuring a 1/2" wide
A piece of 3/4" plywood to make the base sturdy (at least 16 x 16 diameter)
1/2" roofing nails
Four 3/4" 16d coated sinker nails
The requirement for this type of scratching post has come from our "cat testers." The reasoning behind this cat post is simple. A post should be as high as your cat is tall when he is fully stretched out plus a few inches. The post should also be wide enough that your cat can sit on top and survey his surroundings. The base should be sturdy enough that the post will not tip over. Once a post tips over on a cat it is very hard to convince a cat to use the post again. The post should be wrapped with sisal rope
because cats like something to dig their nails into.

http://www.catsinternational.org/articles/scratching_and_declawing/build...

DIRECTIONS: Before beginning you will want to make sure your post is dry so that there will not be any shrinking of the post after the sisal is wrapped on. To make the post you might want to wear a pair of work gloves when you wrap the sisal around the post. To start you will want to nail the beginning of your rope all the way around the top of the post. Then you wind the rope around and around and around the post very tightly so that there is no air space between the pieces of rope. This process will take you all th e way down to the bottom, once again nail the end of your rope all the way around the bottom of the post. Next you will want to nail the base on to the post, use about four nails and pound them through the bottom of the plywood base and into the bottom of the post. You no have a cat approved scratching post!

TRAINING: To introduce the post to your cat you may want to use catnip as a lure for older cats (kittens younger then 5 months of age are not affected by catnip). Rub the catnip right into the rope so that the cat can smell that wonderful smell. Once your cat has smelled the catnip scratch your nails, gently, along the surface of the rope. This will help teach your cat where to scratch. Once your cat begins to scratch, praise your cat, tell them what a good cat they are. You could also reward your cat with a food t reat, cats love treats. This post can help save your furniture, if your cat is using a certain corner of the couch for a scratching post start out your new post right by the corner of the couch. Cover that corner of the couch with double-sided sticky tape that is completely unattractive to your cat (the tape can easily be removed for entertaining company). This will repel your cat away from your couch and right there is a post that they will love. If this does not work for you please contact us and let us help find an effective solution for you and your cat.

Talk at you later.

http://www.angelicalcat.com/c1_scratch_posts.shtml

you kidding me? now its the house that jack built? oh no, i am getting real scared now

this is nothing more than a calculated gambit that in a few weeks those tapes have a chance that they will be worthless...

scratching post smcgee43!

the scratching post
new
Submitted by Lucille on Tue, 02/26/2008 - 10:41am.

This was kinda new......

(I had kittens and cats (and dogs) ... now save strays, & "fix" them and keep most....even ex-dead-rats-walking (to pound)

TO SAVE WOOD... and I am surrounded by wood "moldings" ??? or whatevever ....

"Smarty Kat - Super Scratcher+" WITH CATNIP
My cats love it the most. They have BOTH, but favours The Scratch Box. You can get at even Petco and check smaller animal places (where I go).

I couldn't understand what happened with you and Chubbs that upset you....but I am pretty sure it's really him...not a nic stealer...

But very slow.

The blog went down for me for awhile.

Just got back on.

Wow!

This website finally loaded at 8:03 for me.

By the way, if you have time, my ex-housemate who is a journalist got on a 60-minutes segment this Sunday with Anderson Cooper. It is about a cult group in Oakland which took a lot of people with no other options under their wing, and via their bakery they intimidated and killed a lot of people
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3870543n&cha...

wha? is maron a mac user? teach him to right click already

I know a bunch of elderly just like maron ; always complaining their computers dont have enough " mega-powers"

is that what happened...phew boy i was getting the shakes

haha, if this show started flawlessly I wouldn't know it was maron v seder. Love it!~It's part of the charm. OUCH, stitches on a fingertip~dang.

speaking of paws! marc!

Maron!

10 to 15 stiches only cost about $600 ... even at the emergency room

*here*

A double-dip of Sammer...shades of the MRR Ironman Seder of old doing the occasional 7-hr shift.

does sam know that maron is ranting and that they are talking over each other?

Submitted by MMRules on Tue, 02/26/2008 - 2:36am.
Where did you grow up,Chubbs ?
--------
Editor's note: Replace "Where" with "When." Follow with reply, "Din't." Follow with typo jokes.

Uuuh, hey, Marc, I think that his friend Thelma does most of the editing for him... which is why she has 5 or 6 Oscars to her credit.

Well...for starters...he twisted my words and put them out

of context to try to make some silly point and then had

the balls to ask ME what alternate universe I am living in.

Why did that little bit of nonsense bug me?

Because it's the first time since he's been back that I've

seen the old Chubby emerge. The Chubby that gets off on

starting fights just for the hell of it.

with a heart problem. Per MSNBC

blame liz taylor for that! oops!

Mwah HaHa.....
Oh Fernando. that reminds me of "The Cow & The Parasite......" Mwah HaHa

I noticed the spat yesterday. Glad to see you here!

No country for old men was awful. Just boring gratuitous violence. Such a pathetic ending. And I love Coen brothers films.

Blood Simple, Fargo , big lebowski all were 10 times better.

More on Chris Dodd

Submitted by mo lib on Tue, 02/26/2008 - 10:11am.

I am thinking that because Chris Dodd was the first presidential candidate to endorse Barack Obama that the prospect of Dodd becoming Majority Leader in the Senate is enhanced, if Obama is elected President. How great would that be to have President Obama and Chris Dodd Senate Majority Leader. Just think what might get done!!

buwahaha

"We’re finally at a moment when Bush needs the world more than the world needs Bush"
----
One election at a time...

Hi T. Snowing like hell here, too. It's a beautiful day and

PP an I are going out for a walk in our new neighborhood.

I was surprised to see the "old" Chubby emerge there. If

you reread the thread you will see that it was total

nonsense. I hope he is OK. It is not going to be easy for

him as so many of us have reminded him.

maybe the scones have something more in them!

I heard a very similiar argument for Bush when it was pointed out his lack of experience...

there used to be a blogger named Rusty
Submitted by Chubby Bubba on Tue, 02/26/2008 - 2:55am.
A brilliant blogger from Richland PA...I'm not sure what happened to him.
-----
He was struck and killed by a speeding Karmann Ghia.
--------------------------
Submitted by Meg on Tue, 02/26/2008 - 7:55am.
...I was at work til after 6... Painting backdrops for the Black History Program.
-----
(I wonder what colors are included in backdrops of color?)

with his flag lapel

The trees,the roofs the streets, because my village is out of salt, everything.

I'm so sick of snow.

Weatherman blaming it on La Ninia! Hot summer also.

Chubs will get over it. Things seem not to be going his way right now.

No country for old men was
new
Submitted by red on Tue, 02/26/2008 - 11:26am.
No country for old men was awful. Just boring gratuitous violence. Such a pathetic ending.

_____________________

2007 movies that were better than No Country: 3:10 to Yuma remake, There Will Be Blood, American Gangster, etc.

That Oscar is a cultist vote. There is a Cult of Cohen Brothers in Hollywood. I know this firsthand.

By thw way, I agree with you completely about its ending. I actually groaned at the end.

I know...,but I did talk with him about some things he is

going to face and it isn't going to be easy. I'm rooting

for him cause he's a good guy.

rumsfeld, powell, dick, gates, negraponte

Today's Must Read
The clock is still ticking.

Any day now, McCain will pass the spending limit for the primaries under the public financing system. He wants out of the system and claims he has a "constitutional right" to withdraw. The FEC says it must agree to his withdrawal, but it's unable to act because of a lack of commissioners.

Who blinks first?

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/todays_must_read_284.p...

http://www.laptopgiving.org/en/index.php

coffee!

this is the perfect snow to build a giant Snowman.

"We’re finally at a moment when Bush needs the world more than the world needs Bush"
----
One election at a time...

OooooK

and now the Sammy cam is locked up completely.

Are they using '80s-era Soviet equipment for this thing? Are the cams powered by kersone?

wtf folks?

*kerosene

Immigration Agency Accused of Illegal Searches

A privately convened commission of labor and immigrant advocates held the first of several planned nationwide hearings yesterday to publicize allegations that U.S. immigration officials routinely violate constitutional protections against unreasonable search and seizure during workplace raids.

At the gathering at the Hay-Adams hotel in the District, witnesses and members of the 10-person panel accused Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials of using arrest warrants for a limited number of illegal immigrants who work at a given company as a pretext to detain the entire workforce, including many U.S. citizens, while agents determine whether there are additional illegal immigrants among them.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/25/AR200802...

its worse than that:

Bosnian Serbs try to storm US consulate

Bosnian Serb Protesters Angry Over Kosovo Clash With Police While Trying to Storm US Consulate

IRENA KNEZEVIC
AP News

Feb 26, 2008 10:34 EST

Police fired tear gas at Bosnian Serb rioters Tuesday to prevent them from storming the building of the U.S. consulate after protests against Kosovo's independence.

A group split away from the almost 10,000 peaceful protesters in Banja Luka and headed toward the consulate, breaking shop windows and throwing stones at police who blocked the streets leading to the building with armored vehicles.

A rain of stones poured down on police before officers fired tear gas to disperse the crowd. Several officers were seen limping. Police were also seen detaining several demonstrators as they withdrew to a nearby park.

Hundreds of hooligans attacked the U.S. embassy in downtown Belgrade Thursday, setting part of it on fire and smashing windows. One person died and hundreds were injured and arrested.

Some bystanders returning from the peaceful part of Tuesday's protest yelled "shame on you!" at the rioters and one man, apparently a former Bosnian Serb soldier, shouted, "This is not what I fought for!"

The incident occurred despite repeated calls by organizers to hold a peaceful protest against Kosovo's independence. Police secured diplomatic missions in the city and warned it would use all legal means to prevent violence.

Tuesday's protest begun with participants gathering peacefully at the main square in downtown Banja Luka, carrying Serbian flags, pictures of Russian President Vladimir Putin and banners reading "No America." At least one U.S. flag had a swastika scribbled on it.

Bosnia consists of two mini-states, one run by Bosnian Serbs, the other by Bosnians and Croats. The Bosnian Serb parliament has condemned Kosovo's declaration of independence and said it will consider a referendum to secede from Bosnia if more countries recognize an independent Kosovo.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/02/bosnian_serbs_try_to_storm_us....

Since they're speculating about possible running mates, would Obama pick someone like Kansas Governor Kathleen Sibelius as VP?

Obama/Edwards a while back

>>Was that really Chubby that was in here last night or was

>>it a nic stealer? If it was Chubbs....he must be off his

>>meds. He really pissed me off.

Really?

What is your fucking problem?

I disagreed with you...disagreements happens all the time.

Get over it. You escalated it into namecalling.

take responsibility for your actions.

Go back and re-read the exchange and you will see you totally over-reacted.

Now, you are bring it up again (and again) with your of passive aggressive attack.

get over it.

Mark Green

Are you serious ?

Doyou want to lose

talk about others behind their backs...is there a name for that?

politician?

People who...
new
Submitted by Chubby Bubba on Tue, 02/26/2008 - 12:03pm.
talk about others behind their backs...is there a name for that?

Depends on who there talking about..

Read the exchange...decide for yourself.

Superior Maron v Seder today!

Very enlightening discussion of the democratic presidential race and the qualities of leadership.

pretty good show.

sam should do a call in segment.

3PM est for more Sammer

Maron should call Sam during the show, too. ; )

Um, no, I don't want to lose. I wasn't even advocating Obama/Sibelius. The topic was "who might Obama pick," and Sam and Marc were discussing the possibility that he might choose a prominent woman politician such as Janet Napolitano. SO, I merely raised the question about Sibelius, to see if anybody had heard anything about her (plus, doesn't Obama have Kansas connections?).

Again, not advocating it; just trying to discuss it. Didn't realize I was going to get attacked for bringing it up!

i've heard that on more than one ocassion, mostly because Sebelius is the daughter of an ohio governor (gilligan) and has local roots here in cincinnati.

the other one floating around is mccain /portman. portman was our local congressman for a long long time till he took a spot in the bush crime family and mean jean schmidt took his congressional seat.

yeah i had fun too today! marc should eat his scones more often

"We’re finally at a moment when Bush needs the world more than the world needs Bush"
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One election at a time...

Since we're discussing it, what in particular would make Sibelius such a sure-fire "loser" as Obama's running mate? From what I've read of her, she's been very successful in Kansas, as Napolitano has been in Arizona (though I'm sure in very different ways, since they're very different states).

It's on at 8:00am PST MM not 9:00am !

How was the show ?
Good I'm sure..

Screwed up by Time Zones ! Suck !

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Strong on the blog lately.

Calm down everyone!

Maybe we need more trolls to fight.

Too many years here to be fighting each other now.

Rosa Parks to take a Cab: "Screw this Bus Shit" Says Montgomery, Alabama, Commuter

missed the show.

:)

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Can Mortgage Industry Block Help?
By Elizabeth Warren - February 25, 2008, 7:29PM
The pending bankruptcy amendment that would let judges make a downward adjustment on mortgages when the loan exceeds the value of the property goes to a vote in the Senate tomorrow. It will take 60 votes to push the bill forward. The mortgage lenders think they can block it, giving the Republicans a chance to kill the bill through filibuster.

Right now this is the only bill pending in Congress that would have any meaningful impact on the slide in the real estate market. The bill would provide critical benefits: It would put an estimated 500,000 families into long term, permanent mortgages that they could afford, and it would cost investors far less than a foreclosure. Best of all, it would force the write downs to be absorbed by the investors, not the taxpayers.

The mortgage industry is opposed. Perhaps the industry believes it can squeeze out more by talking people into handing over the keys to their homes or in pushing through to foreclosure. Or perhaps the industry believes that if things get bad enough, the government will bail them out. Either way, the industry doesn't want to have to write down the loans.

Larry Summers weighed in via his column in the Economist. He supports the bill as a way to create a mechanism to get the borrowers into deals that are good for the borrowers and cheaper for the lenders. He points out the the current ideas of jawboning the lenders just isn't working. But he seems to be having some trouble with the details of how bankruptcy works.

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/25/can_mortgage_industry_bl...

i don't think it would. i do think that vp is going to be a big big part in this race.

its macabre, but if mccain won, i think he's far enough over the hill that he might not serve out his whole term.

if its obama, his selection will be used to diminish all the shit the neocons and far right are going to throw at him for being black and "moooslim". picking a woman for a running mate would give him the strength of an obama clinton ticket without the clinton baggage, if you believe such a thing exists.

I can't find anything definitive on the Googles. Seems 'mums da word'.
Several Governors have been suggested.
An Obama/Edwards would be sweet.

"We’re finally at a moment when Bush needs the world more than the world needs Bush"
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Again, not advocating it; just trying to discuss it. Didn't realize I was going to get attacked for bringing it up!
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-- dont be so dramatic.... you werent "attacked"

i think both names together sound too foreign and comlicated and i think the names would scare and confuse people.

but a woman from a red state is a real good idea.

Rob Portman...

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Hartmann doesn't have the balls for it.

Frankly, most of the AAR hosts don't have the balls for it... in some cases literally.

"OH, YOU SEXIST!"

I kid, folks.

Just as long as the VP's last name isn't Bush, or Walker, or Pierce.
Did you see where Huckabee's wife's maiden name was McCain?

"We’re finally at a moment when Bush needs the world more than the world needs Bush"
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One election at a time...

Defense Department to Reinforce Nations Brassieres: Angora Sweaters Nearing Breaking Point

Some days my brain doesn't have enough"Mega-Powers" !

Read up thread. ;)

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Two Funds Raise Their Stake in Times Company to 19%
By RICHARD PÉREZ-PEÑA

Two hedge funds trying to elect a dissident slate to the board of The New York Times Company amassed 19.03 percent of the company’s common stock before last week’s deadline for gaining voting power at the annual meeting, according to a report filed Monday.

That rivals the holdings of the Times Company’s chairman, Arthur Sulzberger Jr., and his family, who have effectively controlled the selection of directors. A two-tiered stock structure gives the family unfettered control of 9 of the 13 board seats; what the hedge funds are fighting for is control of the other four.

The funds, Harbinger Capital Partners and Firebrand Partners, contend that the company is not taking full advantage of its potential value. They take the position that the Times Company should sell assets; focus on the flagship newspaper, The New York Times; and invest more in Internet operations. But the funds have also said that they do not intend to challenge the two-tiered stock structure or the control of the company by the Sulzbergers.

The company’s assets include About.com, The International Herald Tribune, The Boston Globe, a string of smaller newspapers, majority ownership of a new high-rise headquarters building in Manhattan, and a minority stake in the Boston Red Sox.

The company can try to strike a deal with the hedge funds and split the four seats, or face a full-fledged proxy fight for all four — a fight t