Seder v. Maron at 11am

tralalalalala

MARON WAKE UP---hook up your wires

...and boy are my arms tired...

Kang Khek Ieu: 'They all had to be eliminated'

Kang Khek Ieu was known as 'Cambodia's Himmler', a torturer who oversaw the deaths of 17,000 people. As he prepares to go on trial, he gives a chilling insight into the Khmer Rouge – the most detailed account yet from a top henchman

Exclusive by Valerio Pellizzari, Phnom Penh
Monday, 11 February 2008

He was Pol Pot's trusted henchman, the brilliant mathematician who calmly fashioned an efficient apparatus of torture and death out of a Phnom Penh high school and who oversaw, during the Khmer Rouge's reign of terror, the interrogation and cudgelling to death of some 17,000 Cambodians.

In the West he has been called "Cambodia's Heinrich Himmler"; since Pol Pot himself and his lieutenant Ta Mok cheated justice by dying, he is the most vivid symbol of the Khmer Rouge left alive. His name is Kang Khek Ieu, but he is better known by his nom de guerre, Duch (pronounced "Doik"). This spring, 28 years after fleeing Cambodia ahead of the Vietnamese army, his trial for mass murder may finally get under way.

Now, in the first interview he has given since his capture more than eight-and-a-half years ago, he talks freely about how and why he sent 17,000 Cambodians to their deaths in the killing fields.

independent.co.uk

Duch could get a job in the Bush administration, he'd fit right in.

are not passing, this is not going well and the people in the chamber are gettin excited - the crucial amendment is on the table now - dodd is speaking

Dodd is speaking now!

He needs 51 votes.

this shit is not goint to pass...they are all fuckers man!

but that's it...and even that's inconsistent

Maron audio Little boats

"I can't hear you!" said Sergeant Carter.

brushed!!i'll still listen

am not getting it

Barack Obama

yup told you i am a heavy weight!!

As Maron's head Little boats

This is just as great when it's fucked up ;P

Double talk Marc

i hope maron is not going to get impatient right when he seemed to be in a good mood for a change

this is once a week and many of us look forward to it..how about someone working on it before coming on at 11?

Great Idea - I have been wondering that myself, for weeks and weeks now

piped in my ears, as I sit at my office computer, with the door wide open....living dangerously

I guess it was a rerun, but I saw Obama on Saturday Night Live and it was hilarious.

Someone put it on Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd8_Fjj2uuk

he could shuffle around his kitchen
in PJs, rummage thru his fridge and
whip up an impromptu dish

fascinating - look forward to watching the vodcast of this when it will be posted

The echo on Marc's ramblings is great. It gives it such a surreal sound. Like a cool spoken word rant.

my brain have head phones on---

what marc said it would respond with a respond of different comment, kinda like he is debating himself - great, very metaphysical ! I am enjoying this

staight up!

and then i will refresh... echo echoes

today? I haven't heard a vote from her.

Obama just voted aye on Dodd ammendment.

Bayh, Feinstein, Landrieu, McCaskill, Webb voted No.

Maron audio

the echo is now gone---can you hear me coz i can hear you? "verizon"

Wow! the echo got ahead of Marc for a little bit. Like he was prompting himself, from off camera.

31-67

fuck them.....ALL!!

dam! too much excitement this morning

Shouldn't there be conversations in the Senate?

This government is going total thug.

mmaron - can't do it from here

They suck

go bond/rockefeller...YAY!!

I hate Kit Bond!

fucking leaches..no disrespect to the leach coz it actually heals

matt taibi oh lordy that man turns me on with his poopy mouth

from what I can figure out.

This paragraph from holdfastblog.com

"...I know that Dodd’s course of action may not be what some people expected. Given the reality of the situation and given the rules of the Senate, I can honestly say that I do not know what else Dodd could have done to ensure a different outcome. That may not be what some others think, but please note that I make this judgment this as someone who desperately wanted to see the Senate kill retroactive immunity and has been as thoroughly invested in the fight as just about anyone else out there..."

I've lost any hope that priciple will overcome greed.

The ignorants are winning.

may be disappointed with Dodd.

My understanding of the operation of senate is limited, so I don't know whether I should be disappointed with Dodd.

when Dodd closed the Senate last night.

He should have kept talking until the news papers noticed what the deal is.

How truly sad that is. I am not a depressed person, but man its getting truly depressing.

only happy is telecom---they all are pathetic, i am going with cynthia mckinney fuck that! im done!

is there a good summary site for fisa?

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Citing an effort to hold down costs, health insurance giant Blue Cross wants doctors in California to report conditions it could use to cancel new patients' medical coverage, it was reported Tuesday.

The state's largest for-profit health insurer is sending physicians copies of health insurance applications filled out by new patients, along with a letter advising them that the company has a right to drop members who fail to disclose "material medical history," the Los Angeles Times reported on its Web site.

"Any condition not listed on the application that is discovered to be pre-existing should be reported to Blue Cross immediately," according to the letter obtained by the newspaper.

One of the conditions noted in the letter that could force a new patient to be dropped by Blue Cross - pre-existing pregnancies.

WellPoint Inc., the Indianapolis-based company that operates Blue Cross of California, said it was sending out the letters in an effort to keep costs at a minimum.

"Enrolling an applicant who did not disclose their true condition (and the condition is chronic or acute), will quickly drive increased utilization of services, which drives up costs for all members," WellPoint spokeswoman Shannon Troughton said in an e-mail to the newspaper.

"Blue Cross feels it is our responsibility to assure all records are accurate and up to date for HMO providers," she said. "We send these letters to identify members early on in the process who may not have been honest in their application."

Troughton added doctors are not required, but rather can volunteer, patients' information to Blue Cross.

in the light of this bullshit happening in the senate right now is going to be real rough

hang in there maron with that weapon in your hand

the holdfastblog.com and glenn greenwald are good sites. Sam has a link to greenwald.

Scum. I will spit whenever I hear their names until the day I die.

Off topic, but kind of interesting:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/02/11/patty.hearst.ap/index.html

for George. He can declare national emergency whenever he feels like it.

go mash up the war not Samuels blog you ugly and you stink....??? fucker--FUCK OFF

Anybody got Maron's IM for this show?

TIA.....

Good for Obama showing up today.

fix Sam's mic!

now what? where do we go from here---pelosi and conyers? FUCK!! im no more playing any more for real---

...so sorry toward whores.)

socialist fine with me too...DEMOCRACY MY FUCKING ARSE---

some investment in the arts, let's not forget that

and fine arts in my library...cool shit there!

is that true? If so she is as guilty as the Republicans.

he said mmaron at aol i guess - I can't im from the office - i'm not sure who's iming him - but seems like he's getting a bunch - don't know why sam told him not to read them

holding up his blackberry?

I just switched on the Sammy Cam.
Why does Sam sound funny?

Why can't I post when I have the video of Sammycam running?

cannot even concentrate---

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvUnErDPHgM

Already the symbol of abandonment, must New Orleans now become the symbol of abandonment of the entire country? Going well beyond the Port of New Orleans, Security and Prosperity Partnership plans for "North American Integration" endanger port, trucking, and railroad jobs, as well as investments, incomes, and State revenues all over the country. The SPP is coming to the Big Easy, why should you care? Let's have a look...

does it not leave the AG to decide which co will be refered to FISA court?

Thanks mire - but it doesn't seem to be working - either offline or not correct?

This is so weird - Sam is trapped in a rainbarrel in another time dimension = S

Like giving a baby a blowtorch. I think Sam suggested to Maron that the IM might not be such a good thing for him. Somewhat insulting, I'd say. Apparently, Maron does not have it set up yet so it will scroll. Anyway, the IM is 'mmaron' and the shoe is on the other foot today. Seder can't get his shit together and is on cell phone speaker. He claims the audio will be OK on the VOD. What would be funny is if the VOD of this show ends up being Maron only.

Maron mimicking Seder at the beginning of the show was pretty funny.

Hillary: Fox Friendlier To Me Than MSNBC

JOHN HARRIS: Senator, you were offended the other day for reasons that I think a lot of people understood by comments that were made on MSNBC. And in the wake of that, I heard from some of the people on your staff who say, to their surprise, they actually think that Fox News is giving you a better break than MSNBC. Is that your perception?

SENATOR CLINTON: Well, there was some independent study that my staff sent me -- we didn't do it -- but it was some independent study which seemed to suggest that, that in terms of the fairness of the coverage -- you know, look, I'm a mom first. I'm a candidate second. And, you know, I really am troubled by this pattern of behavior and comments that you hear.

JOHN HARRIS: Two-week suspension, you said that's inadequate for what was said. What would be adequate? Are you looking for a firing or something more?

SENATOR CLINTON: That's not my job, John. You know, that's the job of the people who run the network. But I think that they need to take a hard look.

This is like the third time they've had to apologize. And there are a lot of things that they haven't had to apologize for that might have merited one. So I wish they would take a look at, you know, some of the pattern of demeaning comments that are made on their networks.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/12/hillary-fox-friendlier-t_n_8618...

find out HERE. Updates every 20 min.

Clinton NOT VOTING on Dodd Amendment!
Clinton NOT VOTING on Feingold Amendment!
Clinton too busy to vote today.

Who you voting for?

The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP) was launched in March of 2005 as a trilateral effort to increase security and enhance prosperity among the United States, Canada and Mexico through greater cooperation and information sharing.

This trilateral initiative is premised on our security and our economic prosperity being mutually reinforcing. The SPP recognizes that our three great nations are bound by a shared belief in freedom, economic opportunity, and strong democratic institutions.

The SPP provides the framework to ensure that North America is the safest and best place to live and do business. It includes ambitious security and prosperity programs to keep our borders closed to terrorism yet open to trade.

The SPP builds upon, but is separate from, our long-standing trade and economic relationships. It energizes other aspects of our cooperative relations, such as the protection of our environment, our food supply, and our public health.

http://www.spp.gov/index.asp

Dodd’s retroactive immunity amendment fails. Last December, Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT) successfully filibustered consideration of a measure that would grant immunity to telecom companies that were complicit in warrantless surveillance. But in the Senate today, an amendment by Dodd and Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI) to strip retroactive immunity from a Senate Intelligence Committee bill failed to reach the necessary 51 votes. The final vote tally was 31-67.

Incubus...

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Sweet jeezuz Maron...speak more quietly please...

shit!!! trust me---

The Dems are only weak to the 3%.

They are in Congress to Serve the 97%

That's why they sent good Conservative Democrats to Congress in 2006!

BASRA, Iraq (AFP) — Security forces have launched a search for a British journalist and his Iraqi translator working for US television network CBS who were kidnapped in the port city of Basra, an official said on Tuesday.

"There is an intensive operation underway to find the journalists," interior ministry spokesman Major General Abdul Karim Khalaf told AFP.

"These are journalists doing their job and those common criminals must be brought to justice."

Witnesses said the two journalists were led away from the Palace Sultan Hotel in the southern city of Basra at gunpoint by a gang of about 10 gunmen on Sunday.

The witnesses identified one as a British photo-journalist who had previously worked in Basra, and the other as his Iraqi interpreter. Both men had flown to Basra from Baghdad and checked into the hotel on Saturday.

Dozens of Iraqi and foreign journalists have been kidnapped in Iraq since the March 2003 invasion of Iraq, regarded as the most dangerous country in the world for media workers.

Underscoring the perils, the Young Journalists League said the body of an Iraqi journalist was found in Baghdad on Tuesday, two days after he disappeared after heading out shopping.

According to League president Haider Hassoon, the body of Hisham Mijwit Hamdane, a 27-year-old married father of two children, was found by police in the Bab al-Sheikh neighbourhood of central Baghdad.

Police on Tuesday threw a cordon around the Palace Sultan hotel in Basra, searching for clues and restricting movement into and out of the premises, an AFP correspondent said.

The US network confirmed in a statement that two of its journalists have gone missing in Basra but gave few other details, wanting to protect their identities.

Oil-rich Basra province was handed over to Iraqi control in mid-December by British forces, who are now based at a nearby airport.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jyy8jainRg9BltERMad_uKrptjeA

That will kinda put the hurt on the criticism of Obama's 'present' votes in Illinois.

just said Dodd may start a filibuster after the ammendments are voted on.

Do ya think??

HELP!

Bayh (D-IN)
Carper (D-DE)
Conrad (D-ND)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Webb (D-VA)

Voted for immunity to criminal telecom operators.

is very insightful in his analysis of the human condition.

It's just so depressing.

Two officials of the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC) were among eight people who have been kidnapped by unidentified gunmen from a troubled northwestern area near the Afghan border.

"The PAEC officials Ziaullah and Bisaat Khan were kidnapped yesterday by unidentified armed men in Sheikh Badin area adjacent to the Lakki Marwat and Dera Ismail Khan districts," said local police chief Akbar Nasir.

Both officials were technicians and were on a routine visit to conduct a geological survey for mineral exploration in the mountainous area. The other abducted men include their driver Safdar and five locals.

The abduction of the PAEC officials came on the same day as the disappearance of Pakistan's ambassador to Afghanistan, Tariq Azeezuddin, who was on his way from the northwestern city of Peshawar to the Afghan capital Kabul.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?id=4a81d744-d241-...

when you tune in to the seder v maron that's part of the show's fascination

Pourquoi sont ces FAIBLES de démocrates de f'ng si soumis par Part des 97... sur Tue, 02/12/2008 - 11:52am. Le Dems sont seulement faible au 3%. Ils sont dans le congrès pour servir le 97%

I don't see it happening.

whats up with her? she never votes with the dems?

;)

Pakistan’s Ambassador to Afghanistan, Tariq Azizuddin, has been reportedly kidnapped. Reuters says that the Ambassador was on his way to Kabul from the northwestern Pakistani city of Peshawar when he went missing along with his driver and bodyguard in the Khyber tribal region.

At around the same time, two Pakistani nuclear technicians were kidnapped in the northwest. Now the million dollar question. Why was the Ambassador travelling by road to Kabul…said to be the most dangerous/unsafe regions in the world? Did the Pakistani authorities think that he was travelling between the New York City and the Long Island? Why did Pakistan military regime endanger the life of the Ambassador?

It is becoming increasingly difficult to believe the Pakistani authorities’ version whenever a major event takes place, especially post-Benazir Bhutto assassination, as to what is true and what is kite flying. “A security official said the envoy was to change cars at the border but he did not show up and was believed to have not reached the border.

“Pakistani authorities were reluctant to say if Azizuddin had been kidnapped, and refused to comment on media reports that militants had offered to release the envoy in exchange for a Taliban commander, Mullah Mansour Dadullah, who was caught on Monday.

http://themoderatevoice.com/places/asia/pakistan/17734/pakistan-ambassad...

for Senate Majority Leader.

Retarded in any language
Submitted by Alan on Tue, 02/12/2008 - 11:58am.

why? what will he do different? oh i know---STATE SECRET!

"wisdom on the anvil of humiliation and self pity" :)

;)

?

You are so lucky you any time you are able to get more than 3% on any vote.

Democrats want National Defense, the 97% wants National Defense.

getting IM's?

said who he is voting for.

He may not know yet.

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez threatens to tighten the screws on foreign milk plants such as Parmalat and Nestle to ease shortages.

"It's no use for us to be setting up plants (if) then there is no milk for the plants because Parmalat or ... Nestle take it all away," Chavez said. "That's where I say this government has to tighten the screws."

Chavez warned the Italian and Swiss companies of expropriation since they "blackmail, offering money up front" to ensure a milk supply for export.

Chavez further said that his government is facing an 'economic conspiracy' ahead of state and local elections in November and his opponents plot against him by hoarding supplies.

Venezuela, a major oil producer, has faced shortages of basic goods like milk, chicken, flour and sugar for months.

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You 97%'ers are a bunch of bedwetters.

~-~-~

Expect a whole lotta ugly from a never ending parade of stupid. - Motormouth Maybelle (Hairspray)

Morning everyone. :)

send him an IM asking him questions directly...

who had the balls to take care of the lower and middle class the way chavez does in venezuela?

edwards would have been that type of leader, but he scared the bed wetters too much...

mmmmm yay!

Congressman Ron Paul says the foreign policy of frontrunner John McCain is 'un-American, un-Constitutional, immoral, and not Republican'.

"I can not support anybody with the foreign policy he advocates, you know, perpetual war. That is just so disturbing to me," Paul was quoted as saying on Monday by the Tribune.

The 10-term Texas congressman affirmed that he would not back McCain as the Republican Party's nominee for the 2008 White House race unless the Arizona senator 'has a lot of change of heart'.

Analysts believe McCain has gained popularity among Republicans because of his 'straight-talk' and 'self-assured mentality'.

71-year-old McCain has said that US troops may stay in Iraq for as long as '100 years' if he is elected president. The Vietnam veteran has also warned that Americans should 'make no mistake, there is going to be more wars'.

less jobs more wars, it makes the 97% happy

The head of Iran's National Gas Company says Tehran and Ashgabat will soon finalize an agreement to pay for future gas deals in euros.
Reza Kasaizadeh said Iran had earlier called for a switch from dollar to euro in its payments for imported gas from Turkmenistan, adding, "They were not initially interested, but they finally agreed."

He said a draft agreement has been prepared in this regard which will soon be signed by the two countries.

Iran halted all its oil deals in dollars in early December. Iran and Venezuela had also proposed at an Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) February summit that oil should be priced in non-dollar currencies.

Kasaizadeh, who was speaking at a Tuesday news conference, said Iran would file a lawsuit against Turkmenistan for a cut in its gas exports to Iran during a cold snap in December 2007.

He did not say when Turkmenistan planned to resume gas flow to Iran.

ill take free cocaine...someone take notes for me please regarding the subscription

US President George W. Bush will meet with UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon to discuss world issues including Iraq and Afghanistan.

According the White House Spokeswoman Dana Perino, President Bush "looks forward to discussing with Secretary-General Ban important issues in the United Nations including human rights, counterterrorism, and international peace and security."

She added that, "We expect the President and the Secretary-General to address the situation in Kosovo, Burma, Sudan, Iran, Lebanon, and Kenya; the recent attacks on the leaders of Timor-Leste; as well as international support for Iraq and Afghanistan."

now

on the cam today

sounds happier having a little more to do with the vod production.

Australian scientists claim pregnancy can mildly impair a woman's memory, a condition which lasts at least a year after childbirth.

According to the article published in the Journal of Clinical and Experimental Neuropsychology, memory loss during pregnancy was subtle and particularly involved new or challenging memory tasks or those that would require multitasking.

Scientists say the memory deficits caused by pregnancy are similar to those found when comparing a healthy 20-year-old with a healthy 60-year-old.

Findings showed regular, well-practiced memory tasks such as remembering phone numbers of friends and family members were unaffected during pregnancy.

Scientists believe hormone shifts, lifestyle changes and sleep deprivation during pregnancy may be the cause of the problem.

Tuesday, February 12, 2008
By: PSL Editorial

Putting people's needs first

The working class gets to vote every four years but is never represented in the White House, Congress or the Supreme Court. The PSL is running Gloria La Riva and Eugene Puryear in the 2008 elections to provide a real alternative. Our party expects to attain ballot status in 17 to 20 states.

"As a worker, a union leader who represents workers who are losing their jobs left and right, my run for the presidency

Gloria La Riva is against the corporations, the banks and big money—the pillars of the ‘American plutocracy,’" declared Gloria La Riva in her election campaign blog,

I'm back at that place where I can't decide if I want to leave the country or stay and fight. On the other hand a quick razor to the wrists is also on my mind.

i did experience that, definitely true about memory loss during pregnancy - at the time I thought it was due to premature aging (early alzheimer?) but then it went away

today I feel like it's time to go

ptoblem is i can't right now

in Merida,Mexico - then I would have to find a mexican to marry me after a few months

i'm seriously tempted, but

i do have a good job here, making decent money

malloy yesterday suggested we need to get a gun and learn to use it - i am against it but understand the feeling behind it, going out in a bang, not for me, but if you've gotta go anyway might as well.....very depressing thoughts

Telecom immunity must still be approved by the House; its version of the surveillance bill does not provide immunity.

... for largest loss in US auto history - $39 billion

Thankfully they have plenty of enablers in Congress who help them go down the drain. Instead of pushing Detroit to offer products of the future, they helped GM stay locked in the past, becoming less and less competitive. In addition to the massive financial loss, GM is also announcing 74,000 hourly jobs are disappearing.

any idea why not? maybe the neocons aren't as organized on that side of congress.

I'm not supposed to be here, but couldn't miss Maron v. Seder.

Thanks again to my friends for the moral support. I gotta go, later!

:)

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CHANNEL DAD IS WATCHING YOU!

'Cause I'm trouble in mind, you know that I'm blue,
but I won't be blue always
Yes, the sun gonna shine,
in my back door someday

I'm gonna lay, lay my head,
on some sad, old railroad iron
I'm gonna let that 2:19,
pacify my mind

so gm is losing 74K jobs. banks and finance companies are laying off left and right. you can't pick up a paper without reading about some other company laying off.

and yet somehow these numbers don't add up to alarming news and bushco claims unemployment is pretty steady at 4%.

something is rotten in denmark but i just don't know what it is.

i thought that was a self imposed ban. take care friend.

Who votes to destroy the country?
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Submitted by Fernando on Tue, 02/12/2008 - 11:52am.

Mikulski's senatorial career is so done. I called her office and told them I was gonna work for that consequence.

I voted for Edwards and 1 Edwards delegate (only one committed to him), 2 uncommitted and 2 each for Clinton and Obama. At 10 am, the parking lot was full and a line of 3 waiting for 12 booths and so were the precincts I passed on the way to work.

My son, voting for Obama, in Virginia said that the recreation football team he plays on has a bunch of conservative good ole boys. They told him they are voting for Obama. When he asked them why they said its because he's not Hillary and thought he leaned right of center. I hope it's a strategy and not true.

http://www.samsedershow.com/vod/sammaron/20080212

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I heard Huffington, Green, Vanden Hueval(sp?) agree that Edwards would be an awesome Atty General.....
That'd be fine by me - I was for him - can't vote in primaries here anyway - keep forgetting to change my party affiliation & primaries here are closed - & I'm in FL anyway.

Also heard mention of a do-over for us & MI - that'd be swell......

A hold has been put on foreclosure proceedings to give lenders time to work out delinquency solutions.

Six of the nation's largest mortgage lenders have temporarily stopped foreclosure proceedings, it was announced Tuesday, in a joint effort to cool the raging foreclosure crisis.

Under a new program, called Project Lifeline, legal efforts to oust seriously delinquent borrowers from their homes will be postponed for 30 days. During that time lenders and borrowers will try to work out payment options on a case-by-case basis.

Project Lifeline will not be confined to borrowers with adjustable rate mortgages (ARMs), according to the prepared remarks of Alphonso Jackson, Secretary of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), that accompanied the announcement of the program.

ARMs have recorded the highest rates of delinquencies but defaults for loans of all types have risen dramatically over the past couple of years.

"For many families, Project Lifeline will temporarily pause the foreclosure process long enough to find a way out. Loan modifications may follow. And, this program is not only available to subprime borrowers but to people with any kind of home mortgage," said Jackson.

The lenders already on board are Citigroup (C, Fortune 500), Countrywide (CFC, Fortune 500), Bank of America (BAC, Fortune 500), JPMorgan Chase (JPM, Fortune 500), Washington Mutual (WM, Fortune 500) and Wells Fargo (WFC, Fortune 500); more may sign up if Project Lifeline meets with success. The program was put together with the backing of Jackson, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Faith Schwartz, director of Hope Now, the government-backed, foreclosure prevention coalition.

Paulson said the effort won't be a magic bullet.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/12/real_estate/foreclosure_freeze/?postvers...

just curious. but as a strategy i would think it could propel them to the front of the line if they made good choices.

i am voting for myself from now on, thats it!!!glad mire and fernando have options....most people dont and have TO STAY!!!

I wonder if he meant it when he said Oprah would be his VP.

I have watched her show all my life.

Bravo!

hartmann is debating some wingnut who wants to claim that all the worlds problems are caused by liberals.

polygamy is an ancient islamic tradition.

Why the Media and Independent Voters Need to Break Up with John McCain

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What is it going to take for you guys to face reality? McCain verbally stroking Rove should be the equivalent of that great scene at the end of The Godfather where Diane Keaton's Kay watches in horror as Al Pacino transforms, in the kiss of a ring, from her loving husband Michael into the next Don Corleone. This ain't the same man you married.

I know it's hard. I myself was deeply enamored of the old McCain. In 2000, I invited him to give the keynote address at the Shadow Convention I'd helped organize. He spoke with passion about the need to clean up the "iron triangle of lobbyists, big money, and legislation."

And now he'd be "glad to get" advice from one of the preeminent architects of that triangle?

Of course, McCain's embrace of Rove is just the latest proof that the new McCain bears no relation to the old.

The old John McCain once rightly called Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and like-minded religious bigots "agents of intolerance." The new John McCain now slavishly seeks their endorsement.

The old John McCain talked about trying to do something about global warming and encourage renewable energy. The new John McCain didn't show up for a vote last week on a bill that included tax incentives for clean energy, even though he was in DC. And then his staff misled environmentalists who called to protest by telling them that he had voted for it.

The old John McCain once stood tall as a fearless leader on immigration, co-sponsoring a humane, bipartisan reform bill with Ted Kennedy. The new John McCain, when asked during a recent GOP debate whether he would support his own proposal, replied: "No, I would not." In other words, he was for his core beliefs before he was against them.

Echo and all. Sam gets to make fun of him when he has the problems. Why not Marc?

Brett has it but the visuals were great. "This time its not my fault." etc

But, really, Inc, thanks! Excellent turnaround!

showing his true colors over at Huff Post today.
http://tinyurl.com/2hnmn4
Get a load of this paragraph:

"So is it unfair that Bush won the presidency over Gore because of a stupid two century procedure called the Electoral College? Or that multi-millionaires can self-finance because the stupid 1976 Buckley v. Valeo decision overturned a 1974 congressional law? Yes to both. "Life is unfair," JFK famously said. And rules are rules. Gore knew about the 1789 Electoral College before he ran. And Obama and Clinton knew about the 1982 superdelegates rule before they ran."
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I can't believe he believes that Gore's loss was due to the electoral college! What about the Supreme Court Green?

And this piece of wisdom:

"...superdelegates are not Martians sent to screw up our democracy but governors, senators, representatives and party leaders who are surely interested in Democratic values and winning the White House; all together, they're less a Boss Daley than a huge focus group which wants to win. (And since smoking is prohibited in such venues, at the least critics should avoids references to "smoke-filled rooms.")
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Geez what a milktoast democrat.

What the hell is going on?

is part of the problem, in my opinion.

Pretty damn fast and sneaky. Good luck to you.

i have two theories:

the first is that bushco has convinced the senators that all hell is about to break loose and that they don't want to be on the wrong side.

the second is that the dems have convinced themselves that unless they behave like neocons they will lose all the elections.

:O

Obama/Oprah '08?
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Submitted by Annette on Tue, 02/12/2008 - 1:06pm.
I wonder if he meant it when he said Oprah would be his VP.

I have watched her show all my life.

...Oprah is as corporate as they come; and admits to voting for "as many Republicans as Democrats."

http://reformedblacksofamerica.org/rbasite/blog1/index.php?catid=7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdbbIl2P80Y

Well okay - I'll admit, I haven't seen her show in several years; but back when I was a kid and didn't work 24/7, I saw it alot.

I didn't recall her being too political back then.

...I remember her when she started out in Baltimore, Maryland. But I was sooooooooooooooooooooo much younger then...and I am younger than that now :)

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