But...

OMG

Did anyone listen to & Days today? David Bender and Ron Reagan. Ron Reagan had some interesting analyses of the campaigns. He is a good pundit

Seemed to be a Hillary guy

I did not see that. He thinks she will ultimately win the nomination, but I found him to be highly critical of her campaign. Dirty tactics, and so forth. He broke down some of her spin.

I heard a few comments that sounded that way. It was definitely interesting enough for another listen. He (RR) was pretty funny.

here.

McCain/Huckabee Please god of jokes please!

USER NAV

everyone is chewing gum behind Huckabee.
but I love it that Mike backed Janet. That was sweet.

Why did you not beat the mad bomber in SC?

Are we in trouble yet? President McCain?

anyway...

Sorry it took so long but I am really, really tired tonight. And cold.

Trying to make dinner.

This whole voting thing is making me sick. Maybe I am too tired right now.

is it making you sick, toni? and... HI!

he will lose his temper during a Pres.debate..
And,the public will see what a Nutjob he really is..

I know I Don't want this Temper-Clown with He's finger on The Button !!

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Look at this person's rundown of dirty tactics by the Clinton group in Nevada: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1/19/162953/644/790/439573

http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/iclk?sa=l&ai=BF7AvTLiSR8XCDa...

evening T!

wish we all lived closer,

we'ed invite you over for dinz and home made wine

Don't know. I'm getting this feeling that there's alot of shit happening again. Just me. We've been very busy at work and I've put in more hours than I should have and my body is rebelling.

I just hope people open their eyes and ears and make a good decision this time.

By the way, Cathy. did you see Dar has been on the blog?

Thanks for All the Great posts !
We love ya here ! :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Some day it would be nice to get together.

thanks for posting that.

looks just like his mother.

Long time no blog..

(but I still love you all)

Cheer Up :)
"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Submitted by MMRules on Sat, 01/19/2008 - 9:57pm.
...I know I Don't want this Temper-Clown with He's finger on The Button !!
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If McCain wins the Presidency, I'm a dead man. I can't live through four years of his monotone and uninspiring speeches. George W. Bush has weakened my Bad Oratory immune system to the frazzled edge.

Besides, in my opinion Senator McCain is showing early signs of brain function decline. Presidential administrations in the United States have a track record of hiding Oval Office infirmity in their own interests.

"By the way, Cathy. did you see Dar has been on the blog?"

No! Give her my love, will you? I am having such a hard time balancing working full time and the rest of it...

"The same folks that are bombing innocent people in Iraq were the ones who attacked us in America on September the 11th." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., July 12, 2007

You still have the keys to the picture site?

did you read "Me Talk Pretty Someday"? I assume yes..

always good to read ya.

personally i'd settle for a prez that can speak english and read.

yes to "the keys" site question... who is airball? Man I miss talking to everyone. I am so behind...

"personally i'd settle for a prez that can speak english and read."

I... think you have the equivilant there in Canada, dontcha? Personally, I wish we had one too.

Cathy
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Submitted by AirBall on Sat, 01/19/2008 - 10:10pm.
You still have the keys to the picture site?
*******
I asked in to your Pic site awhile back too..
Never hear anything back..
Np if your busy and stuff..

Just like to see the Old MR pic's..Thanks :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

(applause!)

we gotta talk Sam into an interview with her.

"I shall no longer ask myself if this is expedient, but only if it is right. I shall do this not because I am noble or unselfish, but because I need for the rest of my journey, a star that will not play false to me, a compass that will not lie. I am no longer able to aspire to the highest with one part of myself and to deny it with another." - Alan Paton, from 'Cry The Beloved Country'

has sharks teeth and drools blood.

It was so long ago I requested acceptance I don't even remember where the pix are anymore. Correction, just found it again.

January 20, 2008
Foreigners Buy Stakes in the U.S. at a Record Pace
By PETER S. GOODMAN and LOUISE STORY
Last May, a Saudi Arabian conglomerate bought a Massachusetts plastics maker. In November, a French company established a new factory in Adrian, Mich., adding 189 automotive jobs to an area accustomed to layoffs. In December, a British company bought a New Jersey maker of cough syrup.

For much of the world, the United States is now on sale at discount prices. With credit tight, unemployment growing and worries mounting about a potential recession, American business and government leaders are courting foreign money to keep the economy growing. Foreign investors are buying aggressively, taking advantage of American duress and a weak dollar to snap up what many see as bargains, while making inroads to the world’s largest market.

Last year, foreign investors poured a record $414 billion into securing stakes in American companies, factories and other properties through private deals and purchases of publicly traded stock, according to Thomson Financial, a research firm. That was up 90 percent from the previous year and more than double the average for the last decade. It amounted to more than one-fourth of all announced deals for the year, Thomson said.

During the first two weeks of this year, foreign businesses agreed to invest another $22.6 billion for stakes in American companies — more than half the value of all announced deals. If a recession now unfolds and the dollar drops further, the pace could accelerate, economists say.

The surge of foreign money has injected fresh tension into a running debate about America’s place in the global economy. It has supplied state governors with a new development strategy — attracting foreign money. And it has reinvigorated sometimes jingoistic worries about foreigners securing control of America’s fortunes, a narrative last heard in the 1980s as Americans bought up Hondas and Rockefeller Center landed in Japanese hands.

With a growing share of investment coming from so-called sovereign wealth funds — vast pools of money controlled by governments from China to the Middle East — lawmakers and regulators are calling for greater scrutiny to ensure that foreign countries do not gain influence over the financial system or military-related technology. On the presidential campaign trail, the Democratic candidates have begun to focus on these foreign funds, calling for international rules that would make them more transparent.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/20/business/20invest.html?_r=2&hp=&oref=s...

Maria Bamford!
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Submitted by Sunshine Jim on Sat, 01/19/2008 - 10:19pm.
(applause!)

we gotta talk Sam into an interview with her.
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Maria's a Good kind of nut ! :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

could be THAT wrong.

It was a 3 way tie, and Edwards lost THAT badly?

Something's fishy in Denmark.

There is no explanation for that save one.

I think they got reeeeally nervous when they saw him get that close, and someone went way too far to "fix" it.

... at least once if not more. One of the funniest shows as I recall.
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brr
Keep your head in the sand and you can't see who's kicking your ass.
☯

only fix it the tiniest amount needed to make it look kosher.

Widespread Cheating & Vote Suppression by Clinton Campaign in Clark County, NV

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1/19/162953/644/790/439573

It totally could be Clinton v. McCain. That will be so uninspiring that I bet people would quit the parties in droves. But really, Clinton has been doing quite well, and if you sort through the republicans, they are all flawed.
Only Paul isn't antiwar (which is ultimately why Clinton would win against him, despite the angst this would create).

A conservative was telling me that he considers McCain a democrat, and views him as someone democrats like. I couldn't see this at all. There are only a few bills that many aren't aware of that McCain went against the party on. He is a pro-corporate hawk.

I would say that Huckabee, in a way, could be the lowest risk choice, because at least he wouldn't have a congress to institute his religious stuff, and he's not so hawkish or adamant about business stuff. His stupid tax plan would never be passed.

Romney and Giuliani might be the most dangerous because both manage to act 'urban' or modern, but would probably drive the country into $12 trillion debt and a few more wars while the democrats snooze.

MS-Maria Bamford Part I

MS-Maria Bamford Part II

Did someone say Morning Seditionists ? :)

www.thesnotgreensea.com

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Submitted by Cathy in Seattle on Sat, 01/19/2008 - 10:12pm.
did you read "Me Talk Pretty Someday"? I assume yes..
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No. Or yes. I don't remember. I may have read excerpts instead. I can't find the book in my house but I may have given it away. I've read several Sedaris books.

I am really bad about remembering what I've read. After enough time has passed, I often can't connect titles with content in literature or music.

But if you hum a few bars, the content comes back to me...if I've read or heard it...it being whatever we were talking about.

What was the question?

Been a few deaths lately that made me want to be Earled.

Cathy, a month or so ago when you were around I could not remember what I had wanted to ask you but it was also the pictures. I asked entry as wvmc3d which is my Yahooness.

along with Freddy Thompson on the S&L fiasco in the '80's, then there is Superstition Mountain

I believe this is one of the reason's the USA's were fired. Most were on the NAIS Indian advisory board.

http://www.airamerica.com/lauraflanders/node/3337#comment-234232

The Superstition Land Trust

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-2466

Sponsor:
Sen. Jon Kyl [R-AZ]
Cosponsors
Sen. John McCain [R-AZ]

Last Action: May 24, 2006: Committee on Energy and Natural Resources Subcommittee on Public Lands and Forests . Hearings held. With printed Hearing: S.Hrg. 109-582.

See also: H.R. 2618 [109th]: Southeast Arizona Land Exchange and..., S. 1122 [109th]: Southeast Arizona Land Exchange and...
Other Bills with the Same Title
109th Congress: S. 1122
109th Congress: H.R. 2618
109th Congress: H.R. 6373

That is the land deal, involving National Forest and Tribal lands in the Oak Flat area for 'Resolution Copper' copper mine operation over which Paul Charlton USAZ was purged, and Rep Rensi R AZ is in trouble for $200,000 in presumed kickbacks.

http://www.superior-arizona.com/htm_files/hing_testifies.htm

“First, Section 6 of S 2466 permanently protects the Apache Leap escarpment, an environmental landmark above Superior that dominates our landscape. The Superstition Land Trust and Resolution Copper, working with the town, support the language of S 2466 which insures that the Apache Leap escarpment is never disturbed by development and remains as it is today. Additionally, Resolution will spend up to $250,000 to provide public access, trails, or trailheads to Apache Leap, if the Land Trust, local Indian tribes and town deem it appropriate.
...

Several of the questionable dismissals can be tracked back to the NAIS.

Native American Issues Subcommittee (NAIS)

Only a small number of USAs have ever been identified publicly as NAIS members under this administration - Margaret Chiara, US Attorney W.D.MI, (Chiara called these people, "The Group")

Dan Bogden, US Attorney D.NV

Paul Charlton, US Attorney D.AZ

David Inglesias, US Attorney D.NM

John McKay, US Attorney WD.WA

Chiara, in an e-mail to McNaulty, described herself as one of the "USA-8"

Wasn't it Jack Abrahmoff who had such close ties to the tribal community?
Weren't Tom DeLay and Jack very close?

That brings us to:

Carol Lam, US Attorney SD.CA, who had pending indictments on Dusty Foggo and Wilkes. Jack Abramoff got around.

In a speech:
Matthew Mead, US Attorney D.WY said, "I am a member of the Native American Issues Subcommittee of the Attorney General's Advisory Committee. The Native American Issues Subcommittee consists of 28 United States Attorneys who have significant amounts of Indian country in their respective districts. The members of the Subcommittee work actively individually and as a group to ensure that the law enforcement needs of Indian country are met, and consult frequently with tribes on law enforcement and prosecution issues important to Native Americans. "

...

People briefed on the case said investigators in Arizona asked Washington for clearance -- among other tools -- for a wiretap of Mr. Renzi's telephones, a highly unusual step against a sitting member of Congress, months before Election Day. The wiretap eventually was approved, and was in place by late October, these people said.

On Oct. 26, just days before the election, two political Web sites carried the first public word of the probe. In subsequent news accounts, an unidentified Washington law-enforcement official described the matter as "preliminary." Few details emerged, but the leak disrupted prosecutors' wiretap.

Meanwhile, Mr. Renzi, first elected to Congress in 2002, was fighting to hold on to his seat. In September, President Bush hosted a fund-raiser in Scottsdale on his behalf. About the same time Mr. Charlton was added to a list of prosecutors "we should now consider pushing out," wrote Mr. Gonzales's then-chief of staff, Kyle Sampson, in a Sept. 13, 2006, email to then-White House counsel Harriet Miers.

Wow, deep down the rabbit hole.

Resolution Copper partner with BHP Billiton, is a member of Rio Tinto, a worldwide company with more than 34,000 employees.

(Resolution Copper Mining is a limited liability company owned by Resolution Copper Company, a Rio Tinto plc subsidiary, and BHP Copper, Inc., a BHP Billiton plc subsidiary)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BHP_Billiton

http://www.resolutioncopper.com/

http://www.riotinto.com/whatweproduce/northamerica.asp

http://www.riotinto.com/

http://www.riotinto.com/whatweproduce/452_gold_and_silver.asp

Diamonds
http://82.109.179.11/about/sustainable/images.asp

The Argyle Participation Agreement. On 8 June 2005 indigenous and non-indigenous Australians gathered at the Argyle Diamond mine in the East Kimberley to celebrate the beginning of a better future.

"we’re finally at a moment when Bush needs the world more than the world needs Bush"--UNKNOWN

One election at a time......
by pb_true at April 28, 2007 - 8:01pm

http://www.indiantrust.com/index.cfm

Submitted by Catharine on Sat, 01/19/2008 - 10:29pm.
The rule of thumb when fixing votes is...only fix it the tiniest amount needed to make it look kosher.
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I'm confused. If it seems gefilte fishy, is that a good thing or a bad thing?

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080117-exonerated-riaa-defendant-...

I do worry about them wanting to prove they're just as tough as guys, so they wind up burning down a whole house full of innocent kids just to get rid of one annoying as hell cult leader.

pbtrue - that looks interesting, but I am having the hardest time figuring out what this bill McCain consponsored is doing. I am totally familiar with the US Attorney firings, and corrupt native american land trusts - but are you saying this bill is a giveaway of land, or everyone involved was getting bribed... to do what exactly??

I was gonna go there and check it out. Hell, I may have it here if she was on during the first 9 months. I recorded all those and submitted some to notsogreen... to fill some holes.

Listening now and reveling...
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brr
Keep your head in the sand and you can't see who's kicking your ass.
☯

Hello... I am so sorry... I dropped the ball.

I am having a hard time balancing work...home...life

"I am really bad about remembering what I've read. After enough time has passed, I often can't connect titles with content in literature or music."

It's the nouns that go first...

guess I'm feeling all of my years tonight. I can't even remember plot lines anymore...

I'm going senile

The native American's have been ripped off again, to the tune of $30 billion or so.
Do you remember Gail Norton from Dubya's first term?
Gail Norton was involved.

You have to read it for yourself.
But McCain speaks with forked tongue.
McCain, the Ultimate Tool.

... you are not senile.
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brr
Keep your head in the sand and you can't see who's kicking your ass.
☯

ok I'll admit it...
Submitted by Cathy in Seattle on Sat, 01/19/2008 - 10:57pm.
I'm going senile
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Ya pays yer money and ya takes yer...whatchamacallit.

case proven.

it's those noun... thingies....

Hey, did anyone here go to Mt Holyoke? Females. obviously...

oh... so wish that were true!

"I'm confused. If it seems gefilte fishy, is that a good thing or a bad thing?"

seems I am finding it hard to find my way to the keyboard.
Maybe it's time to hang it up?

Talk you all later,
Love, CatSea

How do they explain away a 3-way statistical dead heat just a coupee of days ago, to Edwards taking only 3%?

C'mon People!

I skimmed through that KOS piece, Jim [Thanks!], but didn't see the part about the explanation for Edwards, just that they all started telling Edwards supporters towards the end when he didn't have enough votes to vote for Obama or Clinton.

What the hell happened?

I want a recount!

Origin of name
The mountain was named after Elizur Holyoke. Contrary to some records, the city of Holyoke, Massachusetts and Mount Holyoke Female Seminary (now Mount Holyoke College) were both named after the nearby Mount Holyoke and not directly after Elizur Holyoke.
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seminary: [Middle English, seed plot, from Latin sēminārium, from sēminārius, of seed, from sēmen, sēmin-, seed.]

semen: [Middle English, from Latin sēmen, seed, semen.]
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bizarre irony: Mount Holyoke Female Seminary

Miss reading ya ! :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Submitted by Cathy in Seattle on Sat, 01/19/2008 - 11:07pm.
oh... so wish that were true!

Oh, but it is, I know. I'm afraid tho you are an apprentice when it comes to senility. You all are bragging about what you have forgotten what you read. I buy the damn books and forget to read them!

Bada bing!
I'm outta here.

I'll be in town all week as soon as I figure out which town I'm in!

Sederistic Sunday in 16 hrs 45 mins and counting...assuming I can find the damn keyboard!
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brr
Keep your head in the sand and you can't see who's kicking your ass.
☯

Lived there for awhile as a young child..

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Just testy cuz KU beat MU...was it 76-70? but I digress

We did, however, have a table tennis set in the basement of the house I grew up in. Mucho fun!

Harold and Grischa, I've got Peanut Butter Sandwich cookies (also known as Savannahs), Caramel Delights, Lemonades, Peanut Butter Patties, Cinnaspins, and Thanksalots (which are like shortbread with choccolate on the bottom).

And I'm right here. Who wants cookies? :)

RIAA news
Submitted by zeek on Sat, 01/19/2008 - 10:46pm.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080117-exonerated-riaa-defendant-...
*******
Thanks for the link.. :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Sorry I missed you.

Good to see you even if briefly.

Mort Mortenson
Submitted by zeek on Sat, 01/19/2008 - 10:38pm.
Been a few deaths lately that made me want to be Earled.
*******
I can't remember the name of the Tech show he writes for,right now..
But,what a waste of Talent ! :(

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Thanks for the link to the
Maron / Proops .mp3

I downloaded, burned, and listened
to it today.
Those guys with N. Pollack are great
at quick improv and funny as heck !

I'm guessing the gig was Jan. 10th ?

agent 1

"Did you check it for microdots?"

agent 2

"Yes we did. Remember, we even had the dogs go over it. Replacing those four cookies took three weeks."

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/01/19/ap4551963.html

...Huckabee had a 35 percent to 26 percent edge over McCain among South Carolina conservatives, with Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson each getting nearly 20 percent of the conservative vote. Huckabee's biggest advantage was among the very conservative and those conservatives who were also white born-again or evangelical Christians; McCain tied him among the somewhat conservative, and led among conservatives without those religious beliefs. Moderates were about a quarter of Saturday's vote, and McCain dominated among them...
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---Bait's Political Analysis Service---

If you live in South Carolina and you are a staunch Conservative, you believe that Jeebus rode a dinosaur, you watch a lot of network television, and you wouldn't know an empty suit if it fell off the rack and smothered you.

got that link from Melina.

ask her about it if ya catch her here.

heres the Morning Seditionist blog:

http://morningseditionists.com/msblog/

look in the right column for the Multimedia links.

lots of the MS crew hang there.

:)

goldmine there!

pjsauter does good Admin.

:) Keyboard & Guitar
Is this any good? My daghter has a piano class and I bought it but haven't unpacked it.
http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/ContentDetail/ModelSeriesDetail/0,,C...

black twin grooves in my fingers,

heavy duty bronze strings,

heavy duty picks...

Believe it or not, I keep up with Maron and Earl on MySpace. Maron seems to keep most up to date there. Earl seems to pay attention as well since he got hacked recently and responded when asked. Earl is on strike although I am not sure if that means the IT show.

Melina's blog is http://www.ripcoco.com/

and, yes, pj's right side on the MSBlog is excellent.

nice piano fer!

ever hear count basie do the St Louis Blues?

listening now. sweet!

Hucklebuck

USER NAV

John Wayne, the mythical creature created by Hollywood real name was Marion Morrison. The whole macho shtick, including the walk, were shaped by directors. A walking piece of propaganda he was.

Now we have John McCain. Oh yeah he was a POW. There is no getting around that. But putting his Vietnam service aside, McCain is about as phony as John Wayne. His persona, as you well know, is just another media driven lie. They have permitted this lunatic to use his Pow status to escape real scrutiny. He has no character. He dumped the wife that stood behind him through his ordeal. Now he has that rich, trophy one. He tells his racist and sexists jokes to reporters, and they don't say a word. He is no maverick. He wasn't even a good pilot. He graduated 5th from the bottom of his class. He cost the navy 5 aircraft. He is angry, old, and sick. But the sorry piece of media of ours resurrected the old geezer's career. Now we have another psychopath running for president.

Glad you saw the ELH yesterday. Guess I will have to come to Canuckistan to see the MRR pix.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwOZjFvjKUA

she's just starting out but loves music. The guitar is her first acoustic. I heard her play it earlier. Loads o fun. At least we have music.

USER NAV

MMRules
Submitted by Jmach1JP on Sat, 01/19/2008 - 11:36pm.

Thanks for the link to the
Maron / Proops .mp3
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And so it goes..
Like SJ said above,it's posted on the Morning Seditionists Site..
http://morningseditionists.com/
Cruz over to the blog..
All the people over there are very cool ! :)

About the Only 2 reasons I wished I still lived in L.A.
are, seeing/hearing great Music..
And,being able to see Maron and other great Comics all the time..

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

keyboard
Submitted by Fernando on Sun, 01/20/2008 - 12:41am.
*******
Keep the receipt..
She will be wanting a Synthesizer next.If she keeps at it..
Smart & Musical ! Ya can't beat that Fernando. :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Maron, Earl
Submitted by zeek on Sun, 01/20/2008 - 12:18am.
*******
Good to hear Earl is updating his MySpace page..
Sorry he got hacked though..

I sure miss those guys ! :(

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

anyone get any election returns?

wait... lemme guess. Big money today?

who knew.... hehehehehe

this is why I can't wait till monday.

USER NAV

nice brubeck piece!

Maria McKee - One Eye on the Sky (One on the Grave)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

NYT

CONTEMPLATING the Clinton-Obama racial war, some Republicans were so excited you’d have thought Ronald Reagan had risen from the dead to slap around a welfare deadbeat.

Never mind that the G.O.P. is running on empty, with no ideas beyond the incessant repetition of Reagan’s name. A battle over race-and-gender identity politics among the Democrats, with its acrid scent from the 1960s, might be just the spark for a Republican comeback. (As long as the G.O.P.’s own identity politics, over religion, don’t flare up.)

Alas, these hopes faded on Tuesday night. First, the debating Democrats declared a truce, however fragile, in their racial brawl. Then Republicans in Michigan reconstituted their party’s election-year chaos by temporarily revivifying yet another candidate, Mitt Romney, who had been left for dead.

The playing of the race card by Hillary Clinton’s surrogates to diminish Barack Obama was sinister. But the Clintons are hardly bigots, and the Democratic candidates all have a history of fighting strenuously for inclusiveness. By contrast, the Romney victory in Michigan is another reminder of how Republicans aren’t even playing in the same multiracial American sandbox......

Free Democracy

If this is true it would have hurt Edwards .... I can see Union people voting for Edwards before voting for Clinton.....

The Times

Bill Clinton today accused the union backing Barack Obama of illegally blocking its workers from backing his wife in an orchestrated campaign of "voter suppression" in Nevada's Democratic caucuses.

Mr Clinton, who spent 90 minutes at the Mirage Casino in Las Vegas today shaking voters' hands, was told by several workers that their union, which has backed Mr Obama, has told them they could not register to vote unless they supported the Illinois senator.

Mr Obama was endorsed by the Culinary Workers' Union, the biggest and most powerful trade organisation in Nevada. It carries particular clout in the casinos along the Las Vegas Strip.

Mr Clinton said: "They [the workers in the union] were told to sign up by Wednesday, and told it had to be for Obama, and if they had not signed up, that they had to wait until November to wait for Hillary." He told The Times: "It's really interesting that on the eve of Martin Luther King day we are seeing voter suppression.

He added: "There is a lot of voter suppression going on. Are you getting this?"

The Clintons maintain that caucus sites opened in nine casinos so that employees did not have to leave work to vote gave Mr Obama an unfair advantage because most cleaners, kitchen staff and bell-hops belong to the Culinary Union.

In recent days there have been allegations of the unions intimidating its largely Hispanic membership to back Mr Obama. Mrs Clinton's victory came with large Hispanic support and after many of the union's members broke with their leadership to back the former First Lady.

Outside the Mirage's caucus site, a vast ballroom near the casino floor, Mr Clinton met two dozen culinary union members who said that they were refusing to bow to pressure and were supporting his wife. Several told the former President that they did not think they could vote because they were not voting for Mr Obama.

Francesca Santiago, a casino porter at the Mirage, and a Puerto Rican, told The Times: "The union told everyone that they had to vote for Obama. They didn't tell us we could vote for Clinton. They told us if we registered, we had to go for Obama. The unions said we had to registering advance for Obama."

A spokesman for the Culinary Workers' Union told The Times: "We made it very clear to all the members that they could caucus for any candidate they wanted to, but that the leadership supported Obama."

But inside the caucus site, there were chaotic scenes, with Mr Obama's union supporters facing off against Mrs Clinton's backers. Many of the former First Lady's supporters had defied their union to back her.

As voters entered the caucus site, having registered, they were being physically pushed and pulled in both directions by Clinton and Obama supporters to join their camps. The noise was deafening as both sides aggressively screamed their candidate's name. One union member supporting Mr Obama said of the workers who had defected to Mrs Clinton: "We are going to deal with them when we get back to our respective hotels." Mr Clinton told a group of workers that it was illegal to stop members voting for his wife.

"They've been telling me that if they didn't sign up for Obama they couldn't caucus," he told the workers. "They can't do that", he added, and urged them to vote.........

Free Democracy

Bill Clinton accuses Obama-backed union of vote rigging
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Submitted by Kevin © on Sun, 01/20/2008 - 3:19am.
If this is true it would have hurt Edwards .... I can see Union people voting for Edwards before voting for Clinton.....

The Times

This is the sort of thing that Ron Reagan (Jr.) was talking about on Saturday's Seven Days. It will likely backfire on her--even if she wins the presidency.

8a - 10p last night

9a - 11p

8a tomorrow

As I think for a second what to say
night..

.=.=.=.=.=
Jamesbennett

Wiccan Rule#3?

??? ;)

Now the couple have been locked in grim struggle, in Nevada and most momentously for now in South Carolina, scheduled for January 26. This is called the black primary since it's the contest most likely, on the Democratic side, to be swayed by the large black vote. Clinton campaign money has been liberally distributed to the all-important black churches whose preachers will be rallying the vote. The Clintons' instinct is to trash Obama, betting that whatever offense they cause to blacks will abate by the time Hillary has to face a Republican in the fall. Obama has the same problem in reverse. Any angry black talk may help him in the short term in South Carolina but would get him trashed by the Clintons and in the press as "divisive" and explode the vital message that he is safely "above" the racial divide. As the Nevada deadline neared he even invoked Ronald Reagan as a benign and creative force, drawing yelps of reproof from Hillary Clinton on account of Reagan's antilabor record. As if Clintonism wasn't the quintessence of antilaborism, as articulated by the Democratic Leadership Council.
ALEXANDER COCKBURN

...I thought I had signed in as WD. HaHaHa eye-roll
;)
How goes it?

I think a Wiccan called in to Peter B. Collins radio show and said that Rule 3 decrees that any harm one releases in the world will return "3" times to them.

... lost any respect I once had.

The Campaign in Black and White

By ALEXANDER COCKBURN

He's a smart fellow and so Barack Obama surely knew what was in store for him if he ever looked like taking the Democratic nomination away from Hillary Clinton. The Clintons' relationship with African-Americans has always been starkly instrumental. When he was in trouble with white voters in New Hampshire in 1992 Governor Bill sprinted back to Little Rock to preside over the execution of a mentally retarded black man. To ensure her husband's victory in his reelection race in 1996 Hillary insisted Bill chop poor mothers--a good slice of them black--off the welfare rolls. Nonetheless many blacks rooted for Bill, absurdly dubbed by Toni Morrison "the first black president" and in the impeachment crisis over Monica Lewinsky they were his most steadfast friends, as Bill recognized when he summoned the Rev Jesse Jackson into the White House to help him pray for forgiveness and redemption.

Other well known landmarks in the Clintons' relations with blacks include Bill Clinton's set-up of Sister Souljah and his disgusting treatment of Lani Guinier and Jocelyn Elders. The Clintons reach out when they have no alternative and stab you in the back when it seems marginally to their advantage. They are without doubt among the most unprincipled duos ever to have operated in the upper tiers of American political life.

Obama learned too from Jackson's fate in 1988 when the Chicago preacher took Iowa by storm and surged on unprecedented victories in a slew of spring primaries. The press ignored the hefty white votes for Jackson and within weeks Jackson had been neutralized by the opportune disclosure (by a black Washington Post reporter) of a private conversation in which Jackson had deprecated New York as "Hymietown". He spent the rest of the year alternately apologizing and complaining correctly that his function was to "bale up" black votes for the white Democratic ticket.

So Obama tried to inoculate himself by sticking limpet-like in his early Senate days to Senator Joe Lieberman, Israel's most rabid advocate in the U.S. Congress. Any black community organizer in Chicago is no stranger to the downside of the American dream but Obama purged his rhetoric of populism or outrage and has levitated on soft cushions of hot air about "change", thus emulating Franklin Delano Roosevelt in 1932...
www.counterpunch.org

But for him to just say Reagan in such a cavalier manner ...

That was politics. No deal breaker.I am more concerned with clintonism. I may immolate myself if she is elected.

I was a Jackson delegate in 1988. We did not let the mindless crack about NYC bother us then. Dukakis was foisted upon similar to the way that Clinton is today. They had those damned Super Delegaates who were all committed to Dukakis. Jackson finished second.

Goddammit, Barack. Put in that FDR program. Get real! I will send some money right now.

That "Rule" depends where one Lists it. Everyone wants to sound a bit different. It was always known. But let me look at a pedestrian book, some neophytes use as a "Bible" ... EEK! I'll see, maybe they were a bit more linear. eye-roll ;)

Dear EmailNation Subscriber,

Since her loss in Iowa, writes Katrina vanden Heuvel in Editor's Cut, Senator Hillary Clinton has been an outspoken critic of the caucus system, saying that the limited time allotted for voting disenfranchises too many workers who are on the job during those hours. It seems though that in Nevada Clinton has had a change of heart.

He is not STRONG enough. He has already proven as bad, if not worse than Hill.

I was soley for Gore, then for Edwards. After that I see the worth of both. If it was the two, then Obama as VP & Clinton as P. Then we HAVE a POWERFUL President in the making or he proves he is too close to the rethugs. I think all should be put in strength

We know what HRC will do. Triangulation is the name of the game. Good bye to Universal Healthcare. Stay in Iraq. Divisive politics. She will help revive the "conservative" movement, ala '94. HRC is strong because she plays dirty.

Culinary Union can’t muscle win - Poor showing blamed on late endorsement

www.lasvegassun

Before dawn, the Culinary Union’s army of organizers gathered in the large second-story hall of its Las Vegas headquarters. Members lined up for coffee and doughnuts, a kind of last meal before making the final push for the union’s endorsed candidate, Sen. Barack Obama.

Their organizing packets contained a flier that read: “Culinary Members Are Sticking Together! Culinary Members’ Voices Will Be Heard!”

The members were heard -- but not in the way the union’s leadership had hoped.

Sen. Hillary Clinton won seven of the nine at-large caucus sites on the Strip, sites her husband had derided as giving disproportionate influence to the 60,000-strong union. She won Nevada by 6 percentage points.......

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You can endorse anyone ... getting your membership to vote that way is another story. When I was an elected Union officer endorsing someone in a Primary is a waste of time.

Racial decorum is paper-thin at best in America, and already the gloves are half way off. Obama's home preacher and spiritual counselor, Jeremiah Wright, told a huge and applauding congregation in his church in Chicago that "some argue that blacks should vote for Clinton because her husband was good to us. That's not true! He did the same thing to us that he did to Monica Lewinsky." The Rocky Mountain News excitedly reported that at a stockmen's gathering in Colorado a speaker had joked that if Obama becomes president it won't be called the White House any more. So now the press is relaying rodeo banter? Of course this went up on the Drudge site in a matter of seconds.
AC

You can endorse anyone ... getting your membership to vote that way is another story. When I was an elected Union officer endorsing someone in a Primary is a waste of time.

If you don't have strong relationship with the rank-and-file, this sort of thing will happen. Hell, in 2000, Bush got 30% of the vote from union members.

but tooo much rhetoric .... but with all words flying then again Obama shows again he would be worse for democrats, soley by his actions.
Hill Clinton has fought the rethugs for years, knows the gambit and the rethug game, she is also known by her voting to be a tad more liberal THAN Junior Senator than Obama.

Does everyone forget that the ONLY reason Bill signed what he could ... was CONGRESS WAS REPUBLICAN -- so we do not know RETHUG proof, but signed by Clinton --- AND THEY BLOODY DOGGED THE POOR FAMILY. Give the girl a break.

I was never on her side ... Gore's and Edwards ONLY....then Hill now since AGAIN she is being dogged and the masses are just believing what the radio and Air Waves are telling "the masses" to believe -- and again "games" TRYING to rewrite the past... and even Katrina vanden Heuvel join the Obama Blitz -- WITH Nary Substance.

I am hearing Obama say it again. No, REMEMBER RayGun and Obama sided with him. There's no Change there..

Hill Clinton has fought the rethugs for years, knows the gambit and the rethug game, she is also known by her voting to be a tad more liberal THAN Junior Senator than Obama.

Fight hell. She took their issues. Israel? She is a a bigger zionist than Lieberman. NAFTA, and so forth. Will she cross Bill on globalization? Iraq? Stay the course. I will take my chances with Obama.

...now Everyone is using it. Careful being a Bull guided by a nose-ring. Ouch.

HILLARY CLINTON: Your vote on both the Iraq and Iran resolutions are inexcusable. You claim to be tested, experienced and ready to go, but your rationalization for the Iraq vote is that you were essentially duped by the president, and that you were not voting to authorize war, just the threat of war. If you have such wisdom and experience, why were you fooled when so many other people throughout the world --including half the Democrats in Congress --were not? Why were you voting to give license to attack a country which had neither threatened nor attacked the United States? Why was Iraq an urgent threat that required military action when the Soviet Union was not throughout the entire Cold War?
DAVID MICHAEL GREEN

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BBC

With stakes high in the US presidential contests, Nevada's heritage of Las Vegas gambling and the Wild West helped decide at least two tied caucus votes.

It wasn't a High Noon quick draw that resolved the stalemate between Democrat nominees Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama - but a pack of cards.

Under party rules, a pack was shuffled and a supporter from each camp asked to pick a card. Mr Obama won both times.

The quirk had little effect overall, and Mrs Clinton won the popular vote.

The votes were tied after Saturday's caucuses by 26 votes each at a district in Genoa and 24-24 at Zephyr Cove near Lake Tahoe.

At an elementary school in Genoa, caucus chairman Nancy Downey shuffled the pack of cards - which happened to have "Hillary" printed on the back - and spread them out on a table.

Clinton supporter Greg Kuntz pulled out a five. An Obama supporter picked a king, clinching the vote, and securing an extra delegate to the next round of voting, when about 10,000 delegates meet at county level.......

Greg Kuntz - there's a joke there.

On Jan. 20, 1981, Iran released 52 Americans held hostage for 444 days, minutes after the presidency had passed from Jimmy Carter to Ronald Reagan.

EU study: biofuels not the answer
by Chris in Paris · 1/20/2008 02:59:00 AM ET · Link
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Meanwhile Bush still thinks it's a marvelous idea. At least, that's what the corporate farmers all tell him. I believe in competition but deciding between food or car fuel is downright ridiculous.
The cost-benefit study looks at whether using biofuels reduces greenhouse gas emissions, improves security of supply and creates jobs and delivers an unenthusiastic opinion on all three counts.

"What the cost-benefit analysis shows is that there are better ways to achieve greenhouse gas savings and security of supply enhancements than to produce biofuels," says the report.

"The costs of EU biofuels outweigh the benefits," the researchers state.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080118/ts_afp/euenvironmentenergyemissions...

Recently, Clinton was way ahead in Nevada, according to polls. But she barely eked out a victory. She even lost the delegate count. She can be beaten in this campaign.

The next wave of the real estate crash?
by Chris in Paris · 1/19/2008 05:29:00 PM ET · Link
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If the banks are preparing for the fallout, this may be getting more serious. I wondered where people found the money for the McMansions across the US but that too seems to be made up as well.
There are also signs some lenders are warily eyeing "prime" borrowers. Tom Kelly, spokesman for Chase Home Lending, a unit of JPMorgan Chase & Co, said the company raised its reserves for possible home equity loan loss for subprime and prime borrowers by $635 million in the second and third quarters last year.

"The concern is people who have borrowed a large percentage of the equity (in their homes)," Kelly said. "Now the value of their homes is falling and they can't refinance."

"Some just stop paying and walk away," he added.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080117/us_nm/usa_housing_prime_dc;_ylt=AiMY...

On Jan. 20, 1981, Iran released 52 Americans held hostage for 444 days, minutes after the presidency had passed from Jimmy Carter to Ronald Reagan.

How convenient. That election was close until the end. The media's continuous yammering about the hostages hurt Carter. So did the stagflation brought on by the economic decision makers.

I can't stand neither, but he started JUST AS BAD, if not worse than HRC from the start. What the TEACHERS UNION was saying regarding the Casinos'"caucus" is that it was unfair to hold meetings whereas other locations do not get that type of "breaks"-- NOT HRC, she didn't say anything, yet, The Media and Obama and his "group" did nothing but say negative things about HRC.
Obama and his people are not standing on fairness, only win by breaking every law, even against the Teachers.
I can't stand for that, especially when he is just "stepping out". (Debates are nice to have ;)

Why are you glomming onto HRC's agit prop about Reagan and the gambling house caucuses? I will take my chances on Obama. We already know what Hillary is all about.

just sayin.

Could be very true ... the Dem's are way ahead on total numbers of voters in their race ... with the right team the Republicans wouldn't come close to the numbers they would need.

Sorry I can help whoever the Dem Nominee will be ... I refuse to run for VP .. it's Supreme Ruler of the World for me or nothing.

Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites. The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.

Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that. This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."

Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proud Democrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."

The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.
Ari Berman

with the democratic race apparently being a two way race will the emotions be such that the half that doesn't win feel disenfranchised?

i will support edwards to the end, but i am feeling that way, unable to consider supporting either clinton or obama.

Suzanne Pleshette Dead
Posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago in US, Culture & Society

Source: Associated Press (newser) – Actress Suzanne Pleshette, best known for her role as a sardonic wife in the long-running hit TV series “The Bob Newhart Show,” died today at her home in Los Angeles, AP reports. She was 70, and had been treated for lung cancer. The arresting, intelligent actress with the husky voice enjoyed a storied film career, from her beginnings in teen flicks like Fate is the Hunter to mature roles in films including Alfred Hitchcock’s The Birds. • But it was her role as Bob Newhart’s wife, and the creative reprisal of that role at the end of the follow-up “Newhart” series that made her an American fixture. Pleshette remained down to earth throughout, noting in a 1999 interview that the enduring rewards of acting trumped the fleeting status of stardom: "I'm an actress, and that's why I'm still here," she said.

Source: Associated Press

http://www.newser.com/story/16897.html?widgetsquare=yes

Pundits Limbaugh, DeLay, et al, failed
to derail McCain in South Carolina

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From Rush Limbaugh to Tom DeLay, voices that once held sway over the Republican rank and file unloaded on John McCain over the last week, trying to use a conservative electorate in South Carolina to derail the Arizona senator's quest for the Republican nomination.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/19/AR200801...

i heard he was endorsing duncan hunter and fred thompson. where's the logic in that?

that the pigman is going against the wishes of the RNC.

http://www.620kpoj.com/main.html

http://firedoglake.com

South Carolina, 97% of precincts reporting, per CNN:

Nobody told Fred Thompson he's dead. He gave an endless and rambling speech of a quality you'd expect at an Elks Lodge pancake breakfast, and now says he's on to Florida -- where Joe Lieberman is stumping for McCain.

Holy Joe is telling Florida voters that St. John the Divine thinks heaven is filled with Jews praying.

Since the Democrats have agreed not to campaign in Florida, no wonder Hillary Clinton is saying lovely things about him -- nobody wants that bitter, vindictive little man torpedoing them there. Which he most certainly could and would.

And speaking of Lieberman, why didn't he sign this letter condemning Muslim smears against Obama? And for that matter, why didn't Feinstein and Schumer?

eRiposte says Nevada results "are being used by the media to sow the seeds of division amongst Democrats." Thank you, Andrea Mitchell.

sorry to hear about suzan pleshette. when i think of the newhart show, my favorite characters were Larry, Darryl and Darryl:

Hi, I'm Larry, this is my brother Darryl, and this is my other brother Darryl.

...I remember her very fondly, even in the "Birds" ;)

Opus

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Last Spring, following the death of twelve-year old Deamonte Driver of Maryland whose untreated tooth infection spread to his brain, I wrote about the national epidemic of dental disease and the lack of access to dental care faced by the poor and working class. Last month, an article in the New York Times painted a horrifying picture of the state of dental care, where bootleggers sell dentures that would otherwise be unaffordable to many people missing teeth; where low Medicaid reimbursement rates perpetuate a dearth of participating dentists; where untreated cavities are a leading cause of kids missing school, people use Krazy Glue to reattach broken teeth, or swish rubbing alcohol to treat an infection, "burning the gums and creating ulcers."

Currently, Medicaid only covers pulling teeth to treat infections – not root canals or dentures – which can certainly dim the job prospects for someone trying to earn a living in our economy.

"Try finding work when you're in your 30s or 40s and you're missing front teeth," Jane Stephenson, founder of the New Opportunity School in Berea, Kentucky told the Times.

According to Maryland Senator Ben Cardin's staff, dental decay is now the most common chronic childhood disease in the US, affecting twenty percent of children aged 2 to 4, fifty percent of those aged 6 to 8, and nearly sixty percent of fifteen year olds. It is five times more common than asthma among school age children, and nearly 40 percent of African-American children have untreated tooth decay in their adult teeth. Improper hygiene can increase a child's adult risk of having low birth-weight babies, developing heart disease, or suffering a stroke. Eighty percent of all dental problems are found in just 25 percent of children, primarily those from lower-income families.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/edcut?bid=7&pid=272603

Dramatis Personae :) :(

And speaking of Lieberman, why didn't he sign this letter condemning Muslim smears against Obama? And for that matter, why didn't Feinstein and Schumer?

I would get the list for all who have not signed the anti-smear letter. Unity!

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Seven Unaffiliated Jewish U.S. Senators Release Letter Condeming Obama Muslim Smears
By Greg Sargent - January 19, 2008, 12:21PM
The Obama campaign is really doing its damndest to puncture the false Obama-is-a-Muslim smears before they take hold. In the latest move, the Obama camp released an "open letter to the Jewish community" today from seven Jewish U.S. Senators condemning the smear.

The key is that none of the Senators has yet endorsed a candidate in the Presidential race.

"Over the past several weeks, many in the Jewish community have received hateful emails that use falsehood and innuendo about Senator Barack Obama's religion and attack him personally," reads the letter. "Jews, who have historically been the target of such attacks, should be the first to reject these tactics."

The signers are Senators Carl Levin, Barbara Boxer, Ben Cardin, Russ Feingold, Frank Lautenberg, Bernie Sanders, and Ron Wyden. Full letter after the jump.

Separately, we'll be blogging the returns from the Nevada Dem caucuses and the South Carolina GOP primary throughout the day today right here at Election Central. So check back for frequent updates.
An Open Letter to the Jewish Community:
Over the past several weeks, many in the Jewish community have received hateful emails that use falsehood and innuendo about Senator Barack Obama's religion and attack him personally. As Jewish United States Senators who have not endorsed a candidate for the Democratic nomination, we condemn these scurrilous attacks.

We find it particularly abhorrent that these attacks arc apparently being sent specifically to the Jewish Community. Jews, who have historically been the target of such attacks, should be the first to reject these tactics.

We won't dignify these falsehoods by repeating them in order to refute them. Instead, we will express our outrage at these tactics, which are being used to demonize a good and
decent man and our friend and colleague. Attempting to manipulate voters into supporting or opposing one candidate or another based on despicable and fictitious attacks is disgraceful. These false and malicious attacks should not be part of our political discourse.

All voters should support whichever candidate they believe would make the best president. We sincerely hope that Americans will make that decision based on the factual records of these candidates, not false charges circulated by anonymous mass emails.

Sincerely,

Carl Levin

Barbara Boxer

Ben Cardin

Russ Feingold

Frank Lautenberg

Bernie Sanders

Ron Wyden

"I wouldn't say the ship is 'sinking' - but the mast is broken, we're out of food and water, sharks are circling, and the captain is insane." - found on a board over at salon

Could very well happen.

This work of electing a new president is important, indeed.

And it is exciting, especially as the contests for both the Democratic and Republican nominations remain unsettled.

But is vital to remember that the current president and vice president hold a lease on something akin to absolute power that does not expire for a year. And if George Bush and Dick Cheney have proven anything over the past year, it is that they do not require a great deal of time to do a great deal of damage.

So while the work of electing a new president is important, the work of restoring a system of checks and balances on the executive branch is equally important.

Florida Congressman Robert Wexler recognizes this fact, and he refuses to allow congressional Democrats to neglect their most important duty.

Wexler, who has become the House's most ardent advocate of opening impeachment hearings against Vice President Cheney reminded his colleagues this week that, "The issues at hand are too serious to ignore. Dick Cheney faces credible allegations of abuse of power that if proven may well constitute high crimes and misdemeanors"

Wexler is airing the right questions when he asks: "Did the Vice President unmask a covert CIA agent for political purposes? Did the Vice President order the illegal surveillance of Americans and the illegal use of torture? "

Wexler is reaching the right conclusions when he declares, "Evidence mounts almost daily on these charges. Just recently former White House press secretary Scott McClellan revealed that the Vice President and his staff purposefully gave him false information to report to the American people - a clear obstruction of justice. This Administration has undermined the checks and balances of our government by brazenly ignoring Congressional subpoenas, and through reckless claims of executive privilege. Impeachment hearings are the only means available to this House to force the Bush Administration to answer questions and tell the truth."

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?bid=1&pid=272854

Populism's Candidate
Christopher Hayes | No matter who wins the Democratic election, the John Edwards campaign has set the domestic agenda for the entire field.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080128/hayes

Christopher Hayes | No matter who wins the Democratic election, the John Edwards campaign has set the domestic agenda for the entire field.

Barack sounded pretty populist on Jesse Jackson's radio show. Stop having an economy that benefits billionaires only. Re-industrialization. And such.

A Very Pretty and,funny woman..Looks abit like my late Wife in this picture......

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

--SNIP--

A few days ago, Rush Limbaugh said on his radio show that "we" find John McCain "unacceptable." Yesterday the disgraced former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay said that "McCain has done more to hurt the Republican party than any elected official I know of."

--SNIP--

I think a lot of the establishment types in the GOP would rather go with Romney. And I think it's a very open question how well McCain will do if this becomes a head to head race between McCain and Romney.
There's also the issue of open and closed primaries. South Carolina, like Michigan and New Hampshire, but not many of the coming primaries, is an open primary. But if you look at the numbers tonight, John McCain lost Republicans by one point to Mike Huckabee.

There aren't many open primaries left. And to best of my knowledge McCain has not won once this year among Republicans. He loses among Republicans and makes it up with big support from Independents.

All that said, if you're looking forward to a Democratic White House in 2009, I don't think this was a good night. Far better had Huck taken it.

--Josh Marshall

GREENVILLE, SC -- Edwards wrapped up his coast-to-coast tour across the country today at Greenville High School here in South Carolina, only hours after he finished a distant third in Nevada.

Following the town hall, Edwards tried to shrug off the Silver State's choice. "This is one of those times that I hope the old saying what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas turns out to be true," he told a reporter who asked whether he was disappointed. To another who asked what went wrong in Nevada, he replied, "Oh, I don't think it means anything. I think the other candidates spent enormous amounts of money and we didn't. It was a caucus process. They were there for a long time organizing. I'm excited about being here in South Carolina. So we've now had three states vote out of 50. We got 47 to go, and this cause that I'm engaged in is not going to go away and it has not changed."

Yet the Edwards campaign conducted a four-state strategy in the last months of 2007, focusing exclusively on Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina. Though Edwards spent most of his time going back and forth between Iowa and New Hampshire, the Hotline's count of candidate visits to Nevada between January 2007 and Jan. 16, 2008 shows that Edwards visited the state more often than any other candidate. Edwards came 17 times, while Barack Obama came 12 times and Hillary Clinton eight times......

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/19/592672.aspx

It was ONLY about CHRISTIANITY and I am NOT Christian. He has had the different Christian Faiths, yet he does not speak for anyone out of the Judaeo/ Christian Mindset.

I use to be for him until I started to see "how" he walks.

Seems to me Obama knows that whoever wins the Dem nomination is going to get votes from a majority of likely Dem voters. That's a given. So he's reaching out to people on the right and independents. He's talking in a language that makes them feel comfortable. It's also working.

Us Liberals have to keep in mind that Noem Chompsky is never going to be President. The best we can hope for, if we're practical at all, is a left-leaning moderate Democrat who appeals to a majority of independent voters and some Republicans dissatisfied with the direction of their own party.

How to read these results:

These results are from the DEMOCRATIC recount only. The towns listed below are the towns where the recount is complete. The set of numbers under the candidate(s) name reflect the number of votes reported to the Secretary of State's office after the January 8, 2008 Presidential Primary Election. The number to the right (under the column marked "recount") is the number of votes the candidate(s) received after the recount of votes in that town.......

http://www.sos.nh.gov/recountresults.htm

always keep this in mind...
Aleister Crowley was a child born of Evangelical Christians.

yep

And there is evidence that Aleister Crowley fathered a child with Pauline Pierce.
Pauline Pierce was friends with Aleister Crowley, maybe more than friends. Pauline had a reputation of being a bit on the wild-side in the 20's. It's been reported that she and Aleister were in France together around September/October of 1924. Upon return to America and her husband (Marvin Pierce) here, Pauline gave birth to Barbara Pierce.
Barbara Pierce Bush (born June 8, 1925) the wife of George H. W. Bush.

Aleister Crowley, once labeled "The Wickedest Man in the World" is Dubya's grandfather.

NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE!

FAITHS, including Wiccan and Druid

"Been There...Done that
Submitted by grischa on Sun, 01/20/2008 - 8:19am.
...
Seven Unaffiliated Jewish U.S. Senators Release Letter Condeming Obama Muslim Smears
By Greg Sargent - January 19, 2008, 12:21PM
The Obama campaign is really doing its damndest to puncture the false Obama-is-a-Muslim smears before they take hold. In the latest move, the Obama camp released an "open letter to the Jewish community" today from seven Jewish U.S. Senators condemning the smear.

The key is that none of the Senators has yet endorsed a candidate in the Presidential race.

"Over the past several weeks, many in the Jewish community have received hateful emails that use falsehood and innuendo about Senator Barack Obama's religion and attack him personally," reads the letter. "Jews, who have historically been the target of such attacks, should be the first to reject these tactics." ...etc.(see above for rest)

HIS Book, I just heard a BLACK MAN proclaim that OBAMA really is into Raegan -- It Is In Obama's Book.
and he is really into republicans and reagan rethugs --- I am NOW done with him... I will even work to get THE REAL TRUTH out there, not his "now" words. ACTIONS... And He Has Proven His Fate......But the masses eat their own and votes against themselves, which has been proven for decades.
Whatever....

yesterday and couldn't watch any returns. I did see that Fred Thompson won though. Did anyone quit the race?

USER NAV

I was a Jesse Jackson Delegate in 1988 from Kansas!

What memories. Our state JJ delegation held up free Mandela posters, Say No to Contra Aid posters, Palestinian State posters and wore DC statehood buttons. We so pissed off the other Kansas delegates who were for Dukakis. But, look, it has been proven that we were right on those issues.

The speech Jesse Jackson gave was so powerful. People who quickly criticize Jesse Jackson need to look at his entire career, not just a few sound bites that the media like to play.

And, now we have Hillary and Bill Clinton, using their slash and burn tactics. Pissing off Obama supporters in the process.

This is a great diary over at Kos.

http://tinyurl.com/33c58k

South Carolina Primary Exit Polls

2000 Primary
Total 100% 573,101
Republicans 61% 349,592
Democrats 9% 51,579
Independents 30% 171,930

2008 Primary
Total 100% 430,919
Republicans 80% 344,735
Democrats 2% 8,618
Independents 18% 77,565

Difference
Total -25% (142,182)
Republicans -1% (4,856)
Democrats -83% (42,961)
Independents -55% (94,365)

Exit poll data
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epol ...

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/primaries/SC/poll.rep ....

2000 vote totals

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/states/scprimresults.html

I got sidetracked
Submitted by Fernando on Sun, 01/20/2008 - 9:09am.

I'll have whatever it is that got you sidetracked.

8-)

"And there is evidence that Aleister Crowley fathered a child with Pauline Pierce."
Please, what is the evidence? I am not nor ever been in the OTO....Do I Know Some in it? Yes I did and kinda do...and can again if needed, *BUT I DESPISE bush and would like ONLY facts please, like a Birth Certificate, not rumors, if babs/barb is...

One thing we know about the Republican nomination for president -- it's not going to be by acclamation. BOB MOSER's been watching the GOP's Beautiful Chaos. Bush's trip to the middle east -- was it a wash, a barnsale a begging mission? We'll discuss it. Some thoughts on Dr. King, radicalism and leadership -- And a brand new serialized novel comes to the Nation website.

King's Legacy of Change

1 p.m. Eastern
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brr
Keep your head in the sand and you can't see who's kicking your ass.
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do you suppose the muslim smear on obama is going to force him to overplay the religion card?

Submitted by Fernando on Sun, 01/20/2008 - 12:41am.
...Is this any good? My daghter has a piano class and I bought it but haven't unpacked it.
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Fernando,
Despite your claims to the contrary, you usually write very clean prose. I read your post (pasted above) out of context. Hoo, boy. I hope the blue-haired lady wasn't too stiff to teach when you unpacked her.
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What is
Submitted by grischa on Sun, 01/20/2008 - 5:40am.
Wiccan Rule#3?
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Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's coven. (I could be wrong. This might be Wiccan Rule #13.)
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Submitted by grischa on Sun, 01/20/2008 - 5:59am.
...I may immolate myself if she is elected.
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You should let Kevin film it for his collection.
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Submitted by grischa on Sun, 01/20/2008 - 6:40am.
We know what HRC will do. Triangulation is the name of the game...
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In practice, "Trangulation" with a Republican majority in the House and Senate would achieve a differently shaped triangle than "Triangulation" with a Democratic majority in the House and Senate.
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Interesting
Submitted by grischa on Sun, 01/20/2008 - 8:06am.
that the pigman [Limbaugh] is going against the wishes of the RNC.
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I have read at least one credentialed opinion claiming that RNC movers-and-shakers hate Romney.
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Regarding a Vice-President: Keep in mind that most of the modern-era presidential nominees have not chosen a presidential primary campaign opponent as a running mate. The choices of running mates have been over-weighted toward various other (presumed) advantages to the exclusion of gaining the primary election voters who supported the other guy. In other words, in most cases the Veep wasn't on the primary ballot at all.

For the first time, Democratic White House hopeful Barack Obama has surfaced in the federal corrupton case against his longtime campaign fund-raiser, Tony Rezko, the Chicago Sun-Times has learned.

The Illinois senator isn’t accused of any wrongdoing. And there’s no evidence Obama knew contributions to his 2004 U.S. Senate campaign came from schemes Rezko is accused of orchestrating.

The allegations against Rezko that involve Obama are contained in one paragraph of a 78-page document filed last month in which prosecutors outline their corruption and fraud case against Rezko, who was also a key money man for Gov. Blagojevich and other politicians.

Rezko is set to go to trial Feb. 25. The revelation that Obama’s name could come up in court is a political headache he doesn’t need as he heads into a round of primaries that are likely to determine his party’s nomination for president.

Obama is not named in the Dec. 21 court document. But a source familiar with the case confirmed that Obama is the unnamed “political candidate” referred to in a section of the document that accuses Rezko of orchestrating a scheme in which a firm hired to handle state teacher pension investments first had to pay $250,000 in “sham” finder’s fees. From that money, $10,000 was donated to Obama’s successful run for the Senate in the name of a Rezko business associate, according to the court filing and the source.

Rezko, who was part of Obama’s senatorial finance committee, also is accused of directing “at least one other individual” to donate money to Obama and then reimbursing that individual — in possible violation of federal election law.

A spokesman for U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald declined to comment........

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/749138,obama20web.article

A Chicago Sun-Times Exclusive: Sen. Barack Obama’s presidential campaign gave the following written responses to these questions about the Rezko court filing.

Q. What is Sen. Obama’s reaction to being referred to in the Rezko evidentiary proffer? A. We have no way of knowing he is the politician named here but we returned this money months ago for other reasons.

Q. Was Sen. Obama aware that Rezko allegedly had directed at least one person to donate to the senator’s campaign and later reimbursed that person, possibly violating federal election law?

A. No.

Q. Has the Federal Election Commission or the U.S. attorney’s office in Chicago contacted the senator or any of his representatives about these matters?

A. No.

Q. Why has the senator donated to charity campaign contributions from Rezko and Rezko-linked people?

A. In keeping with our practice of donating to charity donations from people who have been called into question through the legal process, when he was named in documents as potentially engaging in wrongdoing we thought it was appropriate to return his donation to charity.

Q. Does the senator think this development will have any impact on the presidential campaign or undercut the senator’s message that he is an agent of change?

A. No. In fact, Sen. Obama has been a champion of reforms that have made campaign finance laws more transparent so that the public can more closely follow the source of contributions to campaigns. As with any campaign, occasionally individual contributions are called into question. Sen. Obama’s policy in such instances is to donate that money to charity which is what he did in this case seven months ago when questions first surfaced.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/749138,obama20web.article

This is really ugly. All the attacks from various camps in the Dem party. They say the Republicans are in free fall? I'm not sure the Dems aren't in free fall, as well. All this hatred and gossip and rumor and innuendo. Who needs Republicans to knock us? We're doing it to ourselves.

Meanwhile we've got three decent candidates. I'm fine with whoever wins the nomination. I'd prefer Edwards but if he can't win the party's nomination, how could he hope to win the White House?

Ketchup Packet
Submitted by Crank Bait on Sun, 01/20/2008 - 9:34am.

Yeah ... very true. I could see a Wes Clark in there or ?

Cannonfire

Couldn't get the job done.

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14281.html

Man, that Huck is a freak! Fried squirrel with stray dog blood sorbet.

Submitted by Kevin © on Sun, 01/20/2008 - 9:43am.
Yeah ... very true. I could see a Wes Clark in there or ?
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If we stick to the historical, the choice for Veep has tended to be someone who has been way, way out on the sidelines (and out of the press) during the election process.

and chooses Jeb Bush for VP.

I sure hope McCain's insurance policy is all paid up.

I caught his victory speech. I should have written that. Is it ok to make fun of Fred? I don't know where the PC line is when it deals with people of his affliction.

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Cliff has it.

A 6th level OTO, or higher, would have access to Crowley's diary, where all is revealed.

buwahaha

I went back and found the text of the speech Jackson gave at the 1988 Democaratic Convention in Atlanta. Here is just a very small exerpt:

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..."America, let us expand. When Mr. Reagan and Mr. Gorbachev met there was a big meeting. They represented together one-eighth of the human race. Seven-eighths of the human race was locked out of that room. Most people in the world tonight -- half are Asian, one-half of them are Chinese. There are 22 nations in the Middle East. There's Europe; 40 million Latin Americans next door to us; the Caribbean; Africa -- a half-billion people.

Most people in the world today are Yellow or Brown or Black, non-Christian, poor, female, young and don't speak English in the real world.

This generation must offer leadership to the real world. We're losing ground in Latin America, Middle East, South Africa because we're not focusing on the real world. That's the real world. We must use basic principles -- support international law. We stand the most to gain from it. Support human rights -- we believe in that. Support self-determination -- we're built on that. Support economic development -- you know it's right. Be consistent and gain our moral authority in the world. I challenge you tonight, my friends, let's be bigger and better as a Nation and as a Party.

We have basic challenges -- freedom in South Africa. We've already agreed as Democrats to declare South Africa to be a terrorist state. But don't just stop there. Get South Africa out of Angola; free Namibia; support the front line states. We must have a new humane human rights consistent policy in Africa."...
-Jesse Jackson
1988 Democratic Convention

That is just how the 97% works. As soon a Edwards was identified as a phony he dropped back into the 3% where he belongs.

I just hope he runs out of money and must drop out !!!

I really like the guy. Have always felt inspired by him. He came to my school when I was younger and lifted my spirits at a time when I really needed to hear something positive, to feel empowered.

Billious Blowhards Morning Thread
By: Pachacutec Sunday January 20, 2008 5:14 am

Funny, Timmeh did not look so confident as he does in this picture when I saw him testify in the Libby trial about how he spilled everything to the FBI before acting like a First Amendment martyr, claiming he could not possibly speak to that nasty Pat Fitzgerald.

Never forget that Timmeh's credibility was conclusively ended forever in open court.

Sigh. Anyway, the Sunday lineup:

ABC's This Weak: Rudy Giuliani on '08, and Ways and Means Chair Charles Rangel on the economy. Yes, Nosferatu explains away the rigor mortis of his campaign, and how the undead can overcome said immobility (hint: blood).

NBC's Meet the Press: Tom Brokaw (NBC News, emeritus), Doris Kearns Goodwin (presidential historian), Jon Meacham (Editor, Newswank Magazine), Peggy Noonan (Olympic Harrumph Gold Medalist and WSJ Calumny-ist), Michele Norris (Nice Polite Republicans' "All Things Considered"). Wash your hair instead. Aimless Pundificating from The Village faithful.

CBS Face the Nation: Former Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C.; David Axelrod, strategist for Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign; Howard Wolfson, communications director for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential campaign. OMG, Democrats!

Fox News Sunday: Former Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts and Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y. Go, Mittmania, and South Carolina be damned! Will Tagg blog it?

CNN's Late Edition: Former Senator John Edwards; Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind.; Rep. James Clyburn, D-S.C.; Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton, D-D.C. More Dems? Ok, ok, Bayh gets in on a technicality, but Clyburn's Progressive Punch score is good, especially for SC. Will SC be in the news soon?
But remember, folks: "the blogosphere is comprised mostly of white men," unlike the Em Es Em. Blogger ethics panel, stat!

http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/20/billious-blowhards-morning-thread/

You are clean didn't see it in the The Politically Incorrect Ethnic Joke Book: http://www.fajaf.com/lokalt/PIEJB.html

But what did Thompson win? Last I saw he came in 3rd or 4th and might quit in the next few days.

you catch his "victory" speech Kevin? Dumbass idiot was out there claiming victory. The laugh in the beginning of Cliffs video link earlier was right after the speech. Yes he actually claimed victory with third place. Who ever forgot his meds needs to be fired.

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UPDATE: I found the video at CBS

OH OK now I know what you are talking about ...didn't see that link on your post. After 150 posts on a thread everything below that the page turns a navy blue and is hard to see ... until it get's to 200 posts .. then it get's normal again.

I agree. Jackson's compassion has always been consistent and he was a progressive back in the day when being progressive wasn't as cool as it is today.

Researchers from the University of Tokyo have teamed up with members of the Japan Origami Airplane Association to develop a paper aircraft capable of surviving the flight from the International Space Station to the Earth’s surface.

The researchers are scheduled to begin testing the strength and heat resistance of an 8 centimeter (3.1 in) long prototype on January 17 in an ultra-high-speed wind tunnel at the University of Tokyo’s Okashiwa campus (Chiba prefecture). In the tests, the origami glider — which is shaped like the Space Shuttle and has been treated to withstand intense heat — will be subjected to wind speeds of Mach 7, or about 8,600 kilometers (5,300 miles) per hour.

A large spacecraft such as the Space Shuttle can reach speeds of up to Mach 20 (over 15,200 mph) when it re-enters the Earth’s atmosphere, and friction with the air heats the outer surface to extreme temperatures. The much lighter origami aircraft, which the researchers claim will come down more slowly, is not expected to burn up on re-entry.

No launch date has been set for the paper spaceplane, but Shinji Suzuki, an aerospace engineering professor at the University of Tokyo, is thinking ahead. “We hope the space station crew will write a message of peace on the plane before they launch it,” says Suzuki. “We don’t know where in the world the plane will land, but it would be nice to send a message to whoever finds it.”

http://www.pinktentacle.com/2008/01/origami-spaceplane-to-launch-from-sp...

I still like what he has to say.

He told Wolf he isn't angry, he is just telling people what is happening and what has to change. And the "angry" meme is just the corporate right wing trying to dispell his message. He said not all corporations are bad, however, the lobbyists in Washington are not going to give up their hold unless there is someone in Washington fighting them.

Delegates are assigned by voting districts not by a % of the total number of votes across the state. Of course it is entirely possible that Obama won the most delegates, in fact that is exactly what happened.

http://www.nwprogressive.org/weblog/2008/01/barack-obama-true-winner-in-...

I think that the news organizations once again have egg on their faces! LOL

Turnout was lower than they were saying according to the vote count. The guy Bender interviewed was saying they got 100 thousand voters for the NV caucus, but by my count there were only about 30 thousand counting both Dems and Uglicans. There are 2.5 Meg of which about 1.7 Meg who can vote in NV and 30 K voted. That's 1.8%! (Heavy sigh)

How can you tell if an Irishman is present at a cock fight?
He enters a duck.
How can you tell if a Pole is present?
He bets money on the duck.
How can you tell if an Italian is present?
The duck wins.

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Already voted!
On the Demo side we got
1 fantastic choice
2 great choices
1 who's more of the same only less
the rest are GOP nuckle dragging simians
And I got nothing against Aps, Monkeys, and Gorilla's

What we won't be seeing from Hillary Clinton
Single Payer Health Care
Two-state solution for Israeli-Palestinian issue
A Mid East free from American Imperialism and the manufactured reality to justify it.
A reduction in Cooperate influence on American Politics
Less influence by the Military industrial complex
Drastic change in our energy policy
AM I WRONG?
I just might vote for Mccain in the General Election to
HELP THE ADDICT REACH HIS BOTTOM FASTER!

I do not see anything similar. In fact if he was the father, he doesn't have the same facial features nor bone structure ... so I do not see it. Very weak hearsay, if that's it.
Any proof?.
Harm None But Do As Thou Wilt......
A Wiccan/Witch phrase He Copied from us ...that has always been for many a moon.
Now there is a dark side, webbed throughout this Nation, however "they" are probably the ones doing the stupid Cartoon headings and drawings for "intrigue".
I am sorry, but that affected me. I thought we reached a certain "gain" then I went away for twenty plus years...to be in town and seeing the cycle is starting again and not very many intense people to Get The Job Done -- for SOOOOO many Issues!!!!! This is but one wee shard of the whole, but important to ME, As Are So Many Issues, I am working on. Will there be enough time?...The rethugs are dividing US thus starting to again conquer. WE MUST WIN! There is no other choice!

I still have to get over my waves of frustration and anger with DEMS and a few friends, as also did Hartmann that voted for Nader and Bush--THINKING THIS IS A NEW CHANGE, as Glaciers are melting as we said, in the 60's 70's 80's, then turned all into Gold and Silver and ... whatever --- but I was meant to be part of the fray ...I guess, since I made a deal with Tara & the "spirits" of The Land ....and ALL came true, so I sadly had to "be in town, now (with a snapping 'Z')"I just heard Hartmann say a derogatory statement about a Witch ...ending with calling a Witch a RETHUG (republican) ....Guess Whom I Am Writing very soon?

"flying" and working ... I will be checking back. Dramatis Personae :):( *Poof*

;)

Hillary or McCain will carry forward the Great Tradition of Conservative Governance. We still have the War On Terror with which we must deal. We have to keep this economy rolling with more and greater tax cuts.

After spending 8 years offering no better plan than "Bush Sucks", the 3% must prepare themselves for 8 more years of Good Old Fashioned All American Conservative Administration.

Health secretary sees continued divide on health care in 2008

KEVIN FREKING
AP Features

Jan 20, 2008 11:05 EST

The Bush administration's health agenda this year will consist largely of fending off Democratic lawmakers until a new president and Congress take charge.

In a preview of what is ahead, Health and Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt says the administration will work to limit the government's role in the delivery of health care. That goal is at odds with several Democratic proposals, such as giving the health chief the power to negotiate drug prices and greatly increasing enrollment in federally sponsored health insurance for children.

Leavitt sees the philosophical divide playing out in numerous ways before the November elections. The year, he predicted, "will be replete with the kind of conflict this town is famous for."

Most policy analysts see little chance for compromise on almost all the major health issues before Congress — a view shared by the top Republican on the House Energy and Commerce Committee, which oversees most health issues.

Based on last year's experience in the first year of Democratic control, "I'm not expecting too much cooperation or bipartisanship," Texas Rep. Joe Barton said. "I would assume that all that gets done will be the things that absolutely have to get done."

Democrats will try to keep attention on a proposed expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program. The party sees this program as the most practical way to increase coverage to 4 million children, said Democratic Rep. Frank Pallone of New Jersey, who heads the health subcommittee.

Under the program, the government and states subsidize insurance for children in low-income families that do not qualify for Medicaid. Leavitt often refers to the children's insurance program as government-run health care. Pallone, however, notes that private insurers routinely contract with states to administer the benefit.

The administration is "into this ideological labeling of everything, even when there's no basis for it," Pallone said. "That makes it difficult. But look, we're going to be practical and we're going to see if we can come to an agreement with them."

Democrats, with some Republican support, will try on Wednesday to override President Bush's veto of a bill that would basically double spending on the program, to $12 billion annually. A similar vote last year fell 13 votes shy.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/mochila.php?articleId=11847572&channelId=76...

Politics Trumps Economics...At It’s a Good Thing!
By Jared Bernstein | bio
Let’s face it, for most conservative Republicans, a stimulus package is a couple of Viagra washed down with a double malt scotch.

Even now, there are those complaining that instead of a temporary injection of tax cuts or spending to jump start our moribund economy, the best move is to make the Bush tax cuts permanent, an idea that fails stimulus 101 on each of the three t’s: timely, temporary, and targeted.

What’s fascinating is that no less an advocate of the Bush tax cuts than Bush himself appears to have eschewed this thinking. The stimulus plan coming out of the White House actually has some positive attributes.

How, you ask with great disbelief, did this happen? It’s simple: the politics of an election year trump the Robin-Hood-in-reverse economics that we usually get from this crowd.

The White House plan hasn’t been fully announced, but the word on the street is that the biggest part is taking the ten percent income tax bracket down to zero for a year. The rest is baubles for business in the form of temporary tax credits.

Here are some good parts:

· At 1% of GDP (about $145 billion, the same as the EPI plan…glad to see those folks are cruising our web site!) the White House plan is of the right magnitude to offset the downdrafts from the housing meltdown and its spillovers. Our analysis suggests that this is the ballpark amount needed to jumpstart the stalled job machine.

· The plan is temporary, so the tax cuts don’t add to future fiscal imbalances.

· The White House’s willingness to not make this about permanent tax cuts is critical for moving the legislation out in a timely manner. If they tried high-jacking the stimulus debate for yet another run at that agenda, it would have been a deal-breaker for the Democrat majority in the Congress.

Here are some bad parts:

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2008/jan/19/politics_trumps_econ...

Violence increases and tensions rise among Iraqi Shiites
By Steve Lannen | McClatchy Newspapers

BAGHDAD — A police raid Saturday on an extremist Shiite Muslim mosque thought to be the headquarters of an extremist cult capped a weekend of violence in southern Iraq, while elsewhere tensions between Iraq's Shiite-led government and renegade Shiite cleric Moqtada al Sadr continued to escalate.

Iraq's national security advisor said he was briefly taken hostage Saturday in a Baghdad mosque and implied that his captors were Sadr supporters. Mowaffak al Rubaie was released only after Iraq's interior minister, who oversees the police, intervened.

In an e-mail to McClatchy, Rubaie said that Sadr's followers "used the same tactics that they used before on Abdul Majid al Khoei." Sadrists were accused of fatally stabbing Khoei, a moderate young Shiite cleric who was considered a rival to Sadr, in 2003. A warrant for Sadr was issued in 2004, but it's never been executed, and he's denied any involvement.

On Friday, a spokesman for Sadr warned that the cleric might not extend a six-month cease-fire by his Mahdi Army militia, which U.S. officials say has contributed to the reduction in violence in Iraq. In a statement, Salah al Obeidi charged that rival Shiite militias have infiltrated Iraq's security forces and that some senior security officials remain in their jobs although they've been charged with human rights offenses.

"This will force us to reconsider the decision to extend the cease-fire despite repeated public statements in the past that we will," Obeidi said.

Police attacked the booby-trapped mosque on the outskirts of Nasiriyah the day after its members attacked police in Basra and Nasiriyah, killing more than 100 people and injuring more than 200 in the two cities.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/25074.html

DEFICIT, INFLATION, UNSUSTAINABLE
97% AMERICAN VALUES (ITS NOT 97%)
Might makes right.
My God is the only true God, yours is bogus.
If I can afford it I can consume it.
I'll send you son or daughter to fight to keep
my consumption cheap
Government has no valid function except to finance war and prisons

RESPONSE TO!
Hillary or McCain
Submitted by Part of the 97 ... on Sun, 01/20/2008 - 11:59am.
Hillary or McCain will carry forward the Great Tradition of Conservative

Known worldwide as "America Sucks."

Submitted by Part of the 97 ... on Sun, 01/20/2008 - 10:38am.
That is just how the 97% works. As soon a Edwards was identified as a phony he dropped back into the 3% where he belongs.
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Due to your persistence, it bears repeating that you voted for George W. Bush twice. Your ability to determine the character and eventual competence in office of a candidate was off the mark prior to his first term. However, your second vote for George W. Bush was cast after you were exposed to far more information about his character and competence in office.

Most voters fail to adequately research the past of a candidate whose national presence never rose above the office of Governor. It isn't easy to quickly learn the recent in-state political history of a state not your own.

Researching the character and competence of a President running for a second term is a much easier task. You were wrong when you cast your first vote but you were exceptionally wrong when you cast the second.

Your track record (or "Outcomes" per your War Dog persona) indicates that your assessment of John Edwards, or any candidate, should be discounted to the lowest levels of political acumen.

He says the same thing over and over again. You and I,

dear reader, are so naive....so dumb....so far out....so

radical and extreme....that we comprise three percent of

the American population and are thusly, unrepresented.

Why would anyone become so obsessed with a group so small?

Why would a person spend 18 to 20 of his daily hours

hassling and insulting people that he hates so much?

It's pointless.

I second that!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9RAbi2xEvo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RK52Xe1xgA&feature=related

She betrayed her base. She had more power as senator than obama. she did nothing but support bush.
if she wins i will vote for her but i won't volunteer for or donate to her campaign.

I would vote for George W. in 2008 if I could !!! But because I can not, I will help the next Conservative get into power. It's no surprise that here in the den of the 3%, everyone hates all Republicans. But history will prove me correct just as it did with Ronald Reagan.

You think every Conservative is War Dog, and you hate any Conservative who works in this administration. You were obsessed the Surge and thought France would stand with you in your opposition to Bush and The War. Goes to show how quickly events and opinions can change.

get bill to help stop the war. he campaigns for her but not for america.

your assessment of John Edwards, or any candidate, should be discounted to the lowest levels of political acumen.

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It would be easy to attack Edwards after the vote. I make the call in advance. Just as a called for demise of the all the 3% candidates.

For Sale: These United States
Posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago in US, Politics, Business

Source: Associated Press (newser) – Some Americans are outraged about illegal immigrants crossing the Mexican border, but the New York Times' Maureen Dowd thinks that the breech of some financial boundaries are of greater concern. "Who’s going to own the American economy?" she asks, pointing to oil-rich countries taking advantage of the weak dollar to snap up US assets. • Dowd notes that Citigroup and Merrill Lynch have had to beg foreign investors for bailouts and notes that President Bush was holding few economic cards on his Middle East trip. She agrees with Warren Buffett's view that "we are giving ourselves a party to feed our appetite for oil and imported goods and paying for it by selling off the furniture."

http://www.newser.com/story/16904.html?widgetsquare=yes

That is the number one issue the separates the 3% from the 97%.

The 97% love the United States. The 97% love Capitalism. The 97% loves Family Values.

The 97% will continue to set the course for America and The World.

Submitted by Crank Bait on Sun, 01/20/2008 - 12:17pm.

Submitted by Part of the 97 ... on Sun, 01/20/2008 - 10:38am.

-- per your War Dog persona --

Multiple Personality Disorder = Part of the 97/War Dog ... Was already screwy before the 2006 election, after that election massacre he went insane and took on another Personality.

Not just some lame vid of a still shot with a song playing. Those things suck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFRCnuO4c7Q

You can see here he was slipping early. Very sad.

Standing in line in that Bank of America.
Nobody spoke, they were in the house of
God. And a church I know is a drive-in show.
Where the local band plays hymns to go.
"Jesus Loves Me" rock and roll. - John Stewart

FBI denies file exposing nuclear secrets theft
The FBI has been accused of covering up a file detailing government dealings with a network stealing nuclear secrets

THE FBI has been accused of covering up a key case file detailing evidence against corrupt government officials and their dealings with a network stealing nuclear secrets.

The assertion follows allegations made in The Sunday Times two weeks ago by Sibel Edmonds, an FBI whistleblower, who worked on the agency’s investigation of the network.

Edmonds, a 37-year-old former Turkish language translator, listened into hundreds of sensitive intercepted conversations while based at the agency’s Washington field office.

She says the FBI was investigating a Turkish and Israeli-run network that paid high-ranking American officials to steal nuclear weapons secrets. These were then sold on the international black market to countries such as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

One of the documents relating to the case was marked 203A-WF-210023. Last week, however, the FBI responded to a freedom of information request for a file of exactly the same number by claiming that it did not exist. But The Sunday Times has obtained a document signed by an FBI official showing the existence of the file.

Edmonds believes the crucial file is being deliberately covered up by the FBI because its contents are explosive. She accuses the agency of an “outright lie”.

“I can tell you that that file and the operations it refers to did exist from 1996 to February 2002. The file refers to the counterintelligence programme that the Department of Justice has declared to be a state secret to protect sensitive diplomatic relations,” she said.

The freedom of information request had not been initiated by Edmonds. It was made quite separately by an American human rights group called the Liberty Coalition, acting on a tip-off it received from an anonymous correspondent.

The letter says: “You may wish to request pertinent audio tapes and documents under FOIA from the Department of Justice, FBI-HQ and the FBI Washington field office.”

It then makes a series of allegations about the contents of the file – many of which corroborate the information that Edmonds later made public.

Edmonds had told this newspaper that members of the Turkish political and diplomatic community in the US had been actively acquiring nuclear secrets. They often acted as a conduit, she said, for Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), Pakistan’s spy agency, because they attracted less suspicion.

More here:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article32167...

Edwards offers you your representation at 3.75%. He is your last chance. All the other odd-ball candidates have been starved of cash and rejected by the 97%.

It's really the same thing that happened to Air America.

Hopefully not 200 count

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRr-sNlddRo&feature=related

After they claimed it wasn't them, it was aids they couldn't control? After they backed off the race issue? When it comes out of the horses mouth, how do people still not see through the smear campaign the Clintons are running? Not to mention the Clintons attempts to supress voting, before accusing their opponent of doing it. Then he walks throught he polling places and tells the casino owners how to run the operation? How Rovian.

Liberals have been deluded by the Clinton con for 15 years now. Has the ozian curtain finally been drawn?

Saw that one gris, but it had sucky synch

I know that song probably kept John in high cotton most of his life but he did so much more.

Here is John's brother Michael's high point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_f16t1JGHo

Might be worth a stare (PI).

I had no idea that John Stewart wrote "Daydream Believer" until yesterday when someone mentioned it. And for some goddam reason, I thought they meant "Dream Weaver," and that the 'Year of the Cat' guy had died.

My dad collected all of the Kingston Trio LPs. So I am familiar with some of Stewart's music. My sister had all of the Monkees LPs, and I met Mike Nesmith once. (I assumed he wrote "Daydream Believer".)

Just pokin' you. You have great musical knowledge.

Nesmith made more from white out than music but did some great stuff.

And of course we know who wrote I'm a Believer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhPn0K54480

not White out. His mom invented it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rLahdNAUks

Nesmith's mom gave him a fortune and he has done some nice things with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA7TB4hX51w

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