New Hampshire: What? Went? Wrong?

Frist?

great seeing you again...

you been working out

Whackhawk Down?
Larry Johnson explains how right-wingers are up in arms over the fact that an 'Islamofascism' yakker named Stephen Coughlin has been canned at the Defense Department.

--Josh Marshall

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2008/jan/09/islamofascist_nonsen...

Romney Goes Dark in Florida, South Carolina
Romney was hoping to take on Huckabee and McCain in South Carolina. Now, after two losses, he's pulling his ads in both states and pouring all his resources into Michigan.

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/romney_pulls_ads_in_south_carolina...

that's a nice name for jesus' step-father...

last time i saw him he was riding a bike

"hey, joe... your back wheels going around"

"i'll get you ono"

hee...

those were the days

Report: DoJ Wrong to Bless Admin Civil Rights Panel Stacking Scheme
By Paul Kiel - January 8, 2008, 2:54PM
Back in November, The Boston Globe's Charlie Savage reported on how the Bush administration had stacked the U.S. Civil Rights Commission with Republicans -- two GOP commissioners had switched their registration to independents after being appointed, clearing the way for the administration to appoint two more Republicans. The scheme was entirely legal, the administration said, and the Justice Department, in a memo from the Office of Legal Counsel, had said so. But now a report by the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service has found the OLC memo "problematic" and says that if someone were to challenge the arrangement in court, the administration would probably lose.

You can read the report, which was prepared at the request of counsels on the Senate Judiciary Committee staff, here.

The commission was created by the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and is supposed to serve as a watchdog for discrimination. But there hasn't been much of that during this administration. Savage reported that the coup shifted "the commission's emphasis from investigating claims of civil rights violations to questioning programs designed to offset the historic effects of discrimination."

Here's how the scheme works. The commission has eight members. By law, no more than four of them can be from any one party -- usually meaning that there are four Dems and four GOPers. But since two of the commissioners changed their party affiliation to independents after they were appointed, the commission now has only two Dems, two "independents," and four Republicans.

The whole thing unfolded in December of 2004. After two of the Republican commissioners re-registered as independents, Daniel Levin, then head of the Office of Legal Counsel, signed a memo finding that what really mattered for the political balance of the commission was "the party affiliation of the other members at the time the new member is appointed." So it was a-ok if the president tapped two more Republicans, even if they were joining four others who were Republicans at the time they were appointed. That was ancient history. Right after the memo was issued, Bush appointed the two Republicans, creating a 6-2 GOP balance.

The CRS report, prepared by a legal specialist, finds that the OLC memo ignored a whole lot to get that conclusion. Perhaps most importantly, the report points out that the law governing the commission had been changed in 1983 when President Ronald Reagan tried to stack the commission with his own appointees. The law was specifically tailored to prevent such scheming. But Bush found a way anyway. And so the report concludes: "it is likely that a reviewing court would find the OLC opinion unpersuasive and the recent appointments violative of the political balance requirements of the statute."

Update: We've add the original OLC memo to our document collection.

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/005036.php

nice arse, buddy

you been working out with moon again

: )

Lauren: "Help me out, guys. The Bradley Effect - I just don't buy it. I welcome your comments..."
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I don't buy it either. For it to be the only valid reason for the differential between the polls and the votes, it would have to occur with a substantial number of voters.

Also, to believe that polls are always deadly accurate is to never question the accuracy of poll results. Who does that?

I have read several reasonable theories. If each theory was responsible for a small portion of the differential between the polling and the balloting, then no overarching cause was behind it. Instead, it was a convergence of various causes.

Populists Beware
By Paul Kiel - January 8, 2008, 6:03PM
From The Los Angeles Times:

Alarmed at the increasingly populist tone of the 2008 political campaign, the president of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce is set to issue a fiery promise to spend millions of dollars to defeat candidates deemed to be anti-business.
"We plan to build a grass-roots business organization so strong that when it bites you in the butt, you bleed," chamber President Tom Donohue said....

Although Donohue shied away from precise figures, he indicated that his organization would spend in excess of the approximately $60 million it spent in the last presidential cycle. That approaches the spending levels planned by the largest labor unions....

"I'm concerned about anti-corporate and populist rhetoric from candidates for the presidency, members of Congress and the media," he said. "It suggests to us that we have to demonstrate who it is in this society that creates jobs, wealth and benefits -- and who it is that eats them."

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/005038.php

I blame it on all the RNC who registered as Dem to vote in the primaries.
JMHO

Mike Beebe (pronounced bee-bee) is the Governor of Arkansas. He succeeded Mike Huckabee.

Coincidence? I don't think so.

Blackwater increases DC lobbying presence. Controversial private security firm Blackwater Worldwide “has ramped up its lobbying representation on Capitol Hill” by hiring the law firm Womble Carlyle Sandridge & Rice to “lobby the government on contracting and other issues.” “Womble Carlyle is the third lobbying firm to be hired by Moyock, N.C.-based Blackwater since October.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/09/blackwater-increases-lobbying-presen...

(one for the gurlz)

The Coming Double Dip Recession
By: Nicole Belle @ 6:10 PM - PST The Agonist:

Recessions, until the last 20 years, tended to huddle together for warmth. The last recession was rewritten to be shorter by the NBER, but had many of the characteristics of being a double dip recession, or one very long recession. The odds of a recession this year are approaching unity, because George W. Bush does not want to deliver fiscal stimulus to Democratic constituencies. That’s really when expansions end, when one of the players would rather not take the consequences of continuing the expansion. In 2000 that was Alan Greenspan, this time around, it is George W. Bush.

It will be a shallow recession, because of the vast monetary stimulus being used to prop up US housing, and the global desire to keep the resources boom, the flip side of a resources bubble, in place. This means that inflation will not be broken, and very shortly after the end of the present recession, which will be made worse by the ending of Iraq based stimulus in the short term, we will be back in an devaluationary crisis similar to this one. There is not enough investment supply: that is a stream of businesses which will pay the natural cost of money. There is too much investment demand chasing too little supply, which means real returns must fall, except in those limited areas where there are resource benefits. Lack of Investment Supply. Put it on your wall and frame it.

Of course, the Republicans will find a way to blame this on either the Democratic majority in Congress or the incoming Democratic president…

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/01/09/the-coming-double-dip-recession...

Dear Editor,
I watched your campaign coverage last night and was really flabbergasted at your Chris Matthews fellow, I don't watch Hardball because
he's such a "dolt" and really a more apropo title would be "Goofball". So it was to my dismay he had so much airtime.
Do you not see what I see? He's a 15yr old in the body of a 50+ yr old, he's incredibly annoying, he offers no real critical thinking and every once in a while he'll shout out a quick one-liner which merely shows his impatience and lack of any real analysis of any subject.
His opinions have more than once been shown to be out and out wrong like his prediction that Hillary was out. Then she won, this does nothing for the credibility of MSNBC it just shows that you not only condone this behavior but you pay the guy for this nonsense.
I should add last night more than once the guy actually drooled (its happening more and more) as well as when they cut to another person can't remember who it was, when Chris was back on camera I would swear the guy had been eating was trying to cover it up, but I'm sure he was still chewing on something....GROSS
All in all he really doesn't deserve so much air time he's lost his credibility and it just makes MSNBC look bad.
Please do something about this. If you haven't noticed the bloggers are having a field day at your expense it's not him that suffers its MSNBC since he is your representative.
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I agree Lauren. I think at least in part it was all the bashing of Hillary that took it's toll. I was getting scared they were going to force me into voting for her (my vote won't count, I'm from NY). It just made me go nostalgic and dredge up my Hillary sympathy over Monica, Vince Foster, taunts about adolescent Chelsea, Whitewater etc. As much as I like Edwards and will probably vote for him, I was really turned off the night of the debate when he made his accusations of what happens when people confront the status quo. Obama was sitting there like the cat who ate the canary. Instead of looking like a strong debate move it had the smell of the locker room of a Junior High School.

New Hampshire: What? Went? Wrong?

Submitted by Lauren on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 8:54pm.

... The Bradley Effect - I just don't buy it. I welcome your comments ...

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Agreed.

There is a party that cynically panders to racists, bigots and reactionary paranoids.

Since '64, it ain't the Democratic Party.

Brady Schmady, I want a recount of the OCR sheets that went through those Diebold machines.

http://www.legitgov.org/index.html#breaking_news

Silence = Acquiescence

p.s. Well done, Lauren.

You oughtta write more a these "Lauren's Special Comments".

(Plus, it helps keep my long-assed posts from stickin' out so much.)

hey, man, 'sup

you been working out, um

do you know a blogger dude called kevin

excuse, me...

i'm talking to you, fuckface

oh, you're from los arabia...

ok

"the system is working"

for this:

//the blogs are lighting up like the candles on my Grandma's birthday cake//

lauren get an...

F!!!

That's a heavy question Lauren, but an excellent one. I suppose it's probably easier to say it appears more progressive to be "race politically correct" (rpc) vs "gender politically correct" (gpc) simply because by being rpc you're automatically gpc because race includes both genders.

I think your noting that race trumped gender when it came to the right to vote is the key.

I also think that's why we've seen someone yell "iron my shirt" at Hillary but no one has told Obama to "go pick cotton".

One thing you didn't note, that I think needs to be included, is Obama is half white. How much easier was it for Iowans to vote for him because he's not 100% African American? Why do we automatically refer to him as black?

We need another primary/caucus as a tie breaker to determine how much geography played in the victories. There's a difference between mid-westerners and north-easterners that I don't want to try and define but my gut tells me you get more Bradley effect in the midwest than you do back east. Consider the difference in the number of independent voters between NH and Iowa.

Geez, all I wanted to do was check the blog before I went to bed. Now my head's spinnin' with new questions.

So you geniuses suss this out while I'm tossin' and turnin' all night!
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she can enroll in the chubby bubba school of correction for wayward... oops

school of cute...
it's the cutest college

cute bars
cute prison guards

and there's always a riot going on

Ballot Shortage At Some N.H. Polling Places
Record Voter Turnout Leads To Ballot Shortages
Were you affected by the ballot shortage? Email Us.
http://wbztv.com/newhampshire/NH.primary.New.2.625479.html
MANCHESTER, N.H. (WBZ) ―

Record voter turn out for the New Hampshire Primary had an unexpected and bad consequence Tuesday: some polling places were running low on ballots. In particular, Democratic ballots were in short supply.
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Dang...I hate when that happens.
Switching parties

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/01/does-ron-paul-have-asperge...
I glanced at Wonkette and she was linking to this article suggesting that Ron Paul has asperger's. I sort of disagree with this tactic. First, I've taught with an asperger's kid in my class, and it's not the sort of thing where you have to wonder if someone has it. If you do, they probably don't have it. It was pretty obvious, with the kid blurting out things uncontrollably, unable to deal with a cashier at the store by himself (he was great at math). Eye contact can be cultural too.
Ron Paul has enough problems on his own, with his positions.
Moreover, what about all these other candidates. Are they okay because there is no name yet for their pathology. Romney has excessive social skills to the point where he transforms himself before each audience and lies about his positions. Giuliani cheats on people and has fascist tendencies. His backer Pat Robertson is well respected even though he supports military offense against civilians and regularly talks about delusional messages that god told him

Indymedia used my picture of some Paul fans at a rally here for their piece: http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/01/06/18470489.php

Submitted by air-ono on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 10:03pm.

if she wants to get cute she can enroll in chvbbu budbw school of cute

it's the cutest college

cute bars
cute prison guards

and there's always a riot going on

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Sometimes I marvel on yer ability to be insulting on so many levels.

Yer a three-dimensional insultinator, ono.

It does sound like the world is losing a smart woman - that's always a shame...I hope her family is holding up...terrible to watch someone you love die. Nice that she is at home though, and not a hospital.

http://www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=5211

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As many of us know, vote totals that go DOWN during the middle of the count can be an error, but also can signal an election theft tactic whereby votes from a candidate finishing very low in the pack are skimmed off and given to a favored candidate higher in the pack. If corroborated, the vote total shift will be another red flag.

And with the Republican race, I wouldn't look first at fraud in the number one position. I'd look for it in the area of repositioning candidates in the second through sixth spot.

- The delay in results is a red flag.

- The vote totals going down during the count is a red flag.

- The failure to release county results in live time, as promised in a Republican Party press release on Jan. 2, is a red flag.

- The failure to release precinct totals at all is a corrupt procedure. Note that the day before the caucuses, after much pressure, the Republicans did (belatedly) promise to release the precinct results on election night. They didn't.

In addition: I'm trying to get information on whether the public was kicked out of the room during hand counting in all locations, or just some.

I will be publishing some reports by caucus attendees in the "Front Lines" section later today.

There is absolutely no reason to consider any of the Republican caucus results to be credible.

I'm not saying they are wrong, I am saying the breakdown in checks and balances was stunning enough to call it not a magic show, but a bad magic show.

Source: Wired

The U.S. has dropped $10 billion into Pakistani dictator Pervez Musharraf's lap -- much of it in cash. Allegedly, that's to fight the jihadists in his country and across his border. But, somehow, that mission does not involve hunting for Osama bin Laden.

Musharraf, in response to a 60 Minutes question about bin Laden, said, "We are not particularly looking for him, but we are operating against terrorists and Al Qaeda and militant Taliban. And in the process, obviously, combined, maybe we are looking for him also."

But how seriously is he taking that larger fight, really? Despite a number of high-profile bombings in his country, Musharraf said he couldn't "say for sure" whether groups like the Taliban were "regrouping" or "getting stronger."

But the worst part of the interview may have been when Musharraf was asked who was to blame for Benazir Bhutto's assassination. Musharraf replied, "Only she."
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Race vs Gender

Submitted by maggiesboy on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 10:00pm.

That's a heavy question Lauren, but an excellent one. I suppose it's probably easier to say it appears more progressive to be "race politically correct" (rpc) vs "gender politically correct" (gpc) simply because by being rpc you're automatically gpc because race includes both genders.

I think you're noting that race trumped gender when it came to the right to vote is the key ...

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Perhaps I is misunderstandin' you?

My readin' a what you said is you read Lauren as sayin' race trumped gender.

In my readin', she said nothing of the kind. She were sayin' race played little to no part. That's my take on things as well.

Are you sayin' race did play a part in the Democraptic primary in New Hampshire?

http://www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=5224

By Lee Rogers

The New Hampshire voting results should not be considered credible in either the Republican or Democrat races. There is a great deal of circumstantial and hard evidence indicating vote fraud. The most glaring is the fact that 31 votes for Ron Paul were not counted in Sutton, NH. This was confirmed by vote fraud expert Bev Harris who contacted the head clerk of the town who admitted that this was the case of human error. It is difficult to believe that 31 votes could not be counted when the only job of the people counting the votes is to count the votes. The question is, where else did something like this take place? Beyond that, the vast majority of the state made use of Diebold voting machines that are easily hacked and have a number of proven security issues. Even worse than that, is the fact that all of the Diebold machines have been programmed by one company called LHS Associates with a suspect background. In fact, John Elder a key employee of LHS Associates has been confirmed by Bev Harris to have had a jaded past of cocaine trafficking and election complaints. The results that came in last night actually looked like they came in from a programmed algorithm instead of actual real votes.
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You been silent long enough. (Tho' you can keep silent, a-course; yer prerogative.)

Was innerested on yer take on the prez race.

You gotta favorite? If so, why?

elections.

hit it boys...

but I can't find it, and this thread appears to be a real good spot.
Paper ballots for the 2008 election

We need to scrap the whole lot before they get to the children....

Silence = Acquiescence

Did you guys read about Glenn Beck's hemorroid surgery where the medication made him almost commit suicide?

http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/PainManagement/story?id=4101741&page=1

This is a Daily Kos diary that was a response to Maureen Dowd's Jan. 9th Clinton column.

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Bev Harris: Iowa Caucus Had Vote Fraud
Submitted by Alice on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 10:10pm.

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after reading the article I thought the correct term for this is "election" fraud not voter fraud
please correct me if I'm wrong

New Hampshire: What? Went? Wrong?
Submitted by Lauren on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 8:54pm.

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Lauren,

I enjoyed reading your post and I would like to read more from you on the blog.

I think you made some good points in your post. Generally, I agree with your arguments and I like how you incorporated the relevant links in your post to support your statements.

Clinton made history. She is the first woman to win a primary race in a presidential election.

The only way that a Democrat can win this election is with the support of women voters. Yesterday was a reminder of that fact.

Write on, Ms. Lauren!

Well for starters, without any actual empirical evidence, speculating on whether the "Bradley Effect" played a role in New Hampshire is merely that.
Anyway, I think, if any individual wanted to apprear "progressive" by telling a pollster he 'did the right thing,'and the 'right thing' was either to vote for a woman or to vote for an african-american, that invidual will usually say he voted for an african-american. In a society that is still segregated-- and here we are talking about New Hampshire-- it is seen as more bold to feign support for a member of a different race because support implies potential relationship: I can vote for a black and sure I could live with blacks. On the other hand, a misogynist, lying to a pollester about voting for a women, really isn't improving his self-image much by so doing. In our society, it is a given and essential, that either through work or family, you will have relationships with members of the other gender: I could vote for a woman, and sure I could live with a woman doesn't sound very surprising. Put simply, more phoney progressives would pretend to support Obama than Clinton.
The implication then, if the "Bradley Effect" played any part in the polling numbers, would be that Obama's numbers would end up being falsely inflated by closet bigots.
(A misogynist anecdotal note -- I lived in macho Alaska at the time of the OJ trial. The people I knew and worked with, all came from other West Coast States, mostly Cal. Many of these people, all 'white' men, maybe most, seemed, at least, both racist and sexist-- and homophobic. But regardless of how racist they were, and some were very racist, they all sided with OJ. None believed he was actually innocent or even that the state hadn't proven its case. They all simply thought Nicole "had it coming." Here, anyway, it seems if forced to chose between Hillary or Barrack, these fine gentlemen would have chosen Barrack.)

Doesn't a person vote in an election..?

http://intelstrike.com/?p=181

Giuliani speech delayed by bomb threat
Wed Jan 9, 7:20 PM ET
MELBOURNE, Fla. - Republican Rudy Giuliani's speech on taxes got sidetracked Wednesday after a bomb threat forced organizers to move to another location.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080110/ap_po/giuliani_florida;_ylt=AvY9c5_M...

In which I disagree with Sam Seder, Anonymous Liberal, etc

Lauren, I agree, if it was the "The Bradley Effect" John Edwards would have been the logical choice.

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A rare piece of gun legislation finds the National Rifle Association and the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence on the same side, and President Bush signed such a bill Tuesday.

Submitted by dr on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 10:18pm.
You been silent long enough. (Tho' you can keep silent, a-course; yer prerogative.)
Was innerested on yer take on the prez race.
You gotta favorite? If so, why?
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Cheney/Bush set the bar at a limbo level. I can be happy with any Democratic candidate winning the nomination and the presidency. Hell, I'd be happy with Zippy the Pinhead at this point.

I like Edwards' populist push. Everyone (everyone in the electorate nationwide) seems to agree that Big Money is running the show to the detriment of the country. When I hear a Republican and/or Conservative bemoaning Big Money's undue influence, s/he never mentions that Edwards is the only candidate using the problem as a platform.

Unfortunately, I don't believe that campaign promises translate into results should the candidate be elected. There are many things that a president cannot do lacking party majority and broad support in both houses of Congress. The Cheney/Bush administration has shown that the few things that a President can accomplish solo are shockingly awful (pun intended) and ill-advised.

It is a crap-shoot as to which of the three Democratic front runners would provide the best Presidency. I don't believe that I can discern the answer based on the given information. And I'll never know, since I would need parallel universes to test them all in their own Oval Offices.

I am, in short, more than pleased with the probability that any of the three Democratic front runners is a better option than I have had in my voting lifetime, and especially pleased that the probability of a Democrat (Liberal) winning the Presidency is greater than it has been in my voting lifetime.

Most of all, I am thrilled to see Conservatism and Neoconservatism and militarism falling into disfavor based on nothing less than their inability to perform. I hope that a Democratic Presidency and more Democratic seats in both houses does not screw the pooch. If they (we) have a successful first few years, I might not have to deal with Conservatives regaining power until I am too old to care.

Oddly enough, I have Dick Cheney and George W. Bush to thank for turning the tide. Nothing the Democrats could have done (or did) would have been as devastating to the Republicans.

and I am lucky to not feel compelled to participate. Recommending Chantix to smokers.

I just read your post Lauren. The shtick with not linking to it THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU.

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Here is someone's tabulation of how New Hampshire vote count trends were different depending on if they had paper ballots versus computer voting. The thing is, a real statistician would have to subtract an underlying trend of voting in these counties using this voting method

http://ronrox.com/paulstats.php?party=DEMOCRATS
http://ronrox.com/paulstats.php?party=REPUBLICANS

Apprearing progressive:

Submitted by ghettodefender on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 10:44pm.

(A misogynist anecdotal note -- I lived in macho Alaska at the time of the OJ trial. The people I knew and worked with, all came from other West Coast States, mostly Cal. Many of these people, all 'white' men, maybe most, seemed, at least, both racist and sexist-- and homophobic. But regardless of how racist they were, and some were very racist, they all sided with OJ. None believed he was actually innocent or even that the state hadn't proven its case. They all simply thought Nicole "had it coming." Here, anyway, it seems if forced to chose between Hillary or Barrack, these fine gentlemen would have chosen Barrack.)

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Just curious: Where'd you work in AK, ghetto?

I were in Sitka workin' onna double-ender trollin' vessel in '91, i.e. just before the O.J. ordeal; not to invalidate yer impression, but I found most a the folks I knowed in AK to be quite the opposite. Perhaps a naive libertarian bent, but definitely not racist or sexist. (My buddy the AK troller's girlfriend is a high-liner captain herself 'n typically makes more'n he do.)

Mostly I found the folks I knowed were in AK inna escapist sense: i.e. twere the last place in the U.S. of A. where a body could go to be free 'n independent.

Voter fraud implies the person voting did something illegal.

Election fraud implies that the election process has been "compromised".

(Malloy's been talking about this all evening.)

Definitions of populist on the Web:

* democrat: an advocate of democratic principles
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

* Populism, by its traditional definition, is a political doctrine or philosophy that aims to defend the interests of the common people against an entrenched, self-serving or corrupt elite.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populist

In fact, until I saw it, (this morning was the first time), I would have thought she actually cried.

http://www.dyingtohaveknown.com

There IS a cure for cancer and more and it has been deliberately kept from us!

Submitted by Crank Bait on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 10:53pm.

Oddly enough, I have Dick Cheney and George W. Bush to thank for turning the tide. Nothing the Democrats could have done (or did) would have been as devastating to the Republicans.

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Think it's only fair to mention that this were Ralphie-boy's argument in 2000 but specially 2004.

Question is: is the wrath and destruction wrought by eight years of Bush and Republican governance worth the painful lesson of bein' taken to the "even-dummies-can-understand" woodshed?

I know it ain't yer point, but I'd sez no.

(Think it's safe to say if you's a resident of the world, 'stead of a narcissistic selfish 'Murican, the answer is definitely "no".)

Submitted by Kat-in-Manhattan on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 11:00pm.

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Can't sez why, but fwiw, I really like yer nick.

A KOS Diary About Older Women
Submitted by a.k.a. pam on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 10:41pm.
This is a Daily Kos diary that was a response to Maureen Dowd's Jan. 9th Clinton column.

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Thanks for the link to the diary.

Have you recently started to post on Seder's blog?

If so, welcome to the blog, a.k.a. pam.

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

but does anyone need to see it even twice?

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Cigarette break

Submitted by Fernando on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 10:54pm.

Recommending Chantix to smokers.

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Surely one of the most ambivalent endorsements on record.

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/why-ron-pauls-left-wing-champions-...

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These positions have certainly been as important as his antiwar views in attracting a following on the right — encompassing conservatives fed up with the neoconservatives’ grip on U.S. foreign policy, as well as rabid anti-immigrant forces, open white supremacists, admirers of Pat Buchanan’s anti-free trade economic nationalism and assorted 9/11 conspiracy theorists.

Given this, why is Paul even getting the time of day from antiwar activists? This phenomenon can only be understood in the context of the disarray in the antiwar movement and the lack of a viable left-wing independent alternative in the elections.

The Democrats — both in Congress, and the main contenders for the party’s presidential nomination — have done nothing to meet people’s hopes that they would stand up to the Bush administration on the war. Yet most liberal organizations, including within the antiwar movement, will fall in line behind the Democrats, tailoring their activities to the need to “get an ally in the White House.”
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http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/why-ron-pauls-left-wing-champions-...

Thanks dr

by the way, why do I feel like I'm reading a Pogo comic strip when I read your posts?
It both amuses and kinda hurts my brain :)

What do you make a alla these Dem doin's?

(If yer of a mind.)

it only takes once to see she isn't actually crying.

Thanks dr by the way, why do

Submitted by Kat-in-Manhattan on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 11:17pm.

Thanks dr

by the way, why do I feel like I'm reading a Pogo comic strip when I read your posts?

It both amuses and kinda hurts my brain :)

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Don't remind me.

Bein' a poor imitation of greatness is its own punishment.

made it clear that her "crying" caused some huge emotional reaction in them...to the extent that they almost had me convinced that the world will collapse without Hillary as President...and listening to one of them explain the femaleness of Hillary as opposed to her records..*gak*

who knew...

http://www.pbs.org/previews/storyof1/
The Story of One

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7226516301910438112

yeah Alice
Submitted by Fernando on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 11:14pm.
but does anyone need to see it even twice?

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Good point, Fernando..

Submitted by Alice on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 11:18pm.

it only takes once to see she isn't actually crying.

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(If I'ma mistaken 'bout the 'nando reference, happy to be corrected; only included for a point a reference, btw.)

Don't unnerstand.

What differnce does it make if Hillary "cried" or not?

The whole "Crying Game" angle was a manufactured story.

B'lieve me, I ain't holdin' up for Hillary as a candidate, but what I don't unnerstand is holdin' it against her -- i.e. whether she cried or not, and specially whether it disqualifies her as a preznit or not.

Myself, think the whole thing is a media-induced farce.

You gotta see this interview.

It wasn't manufactured enough for some women in Hew Hampshire apparently...

I don't know what happened to you Alice. I'm pretty cynical and don't know that.

Have you ever hiccuped and sneezed at the same time? Those reactions are often above my ability to filter. Who cares how but rather why she breathed that way?
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which ever it is SUCKS.
Tampering as Malloy says - SUCKS.

Hi Alice

She talked about it on her show and on Olbermann. Hillary's welling up with emotion was genuine and humanizing and it helped her connect with voters. I'm not even that big on Hillary and I felt something there when it happened. More than what I've felt for my favorite candidate.

Plus, with Mitt Romney tearing up a few times and not getting any negative press about it, or people suggesting he's faking it - it's very sexist to suggest it's fake if Hillary's doing it.

Hi dr... :)

Submitted by Alice on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 11:27pm.

It wasn't manufactured enough for some women in Hew Hampshire apparently...

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Howdy, Alice.

Agreed, but that ain't my point.

I think most peoples, even when they know they is bein' manipulated, ain't necessarily averse to doin' the biddin' of the manipulation in question, 'long as:

What's motivatin' the animus is *worse* than what's being manipulated.

I.e.: I reckon many if not most womens is smart enough to know that Hillary was smart enough to know that Hillary was pushin' their buttons.

What turned the tables, imo, was womens voters' disgust at bein' put in the position of choosin' betwixt a misygonistic provocation and a transparently emotional ploy that capitalized on that provocation.

dr: "...Question is: is the wrath and destruction wrought by eight years of Bush and Republican governance worth the painful lesson of bein' taken to the "even-dummies-can-understand" woodshed?..."
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If you are asking if I would do it all over again the same way if I could do it all over again, the answer is no. Any-fucking-body would have outperformed Cheney/Bush in any area of governance.

Hundreds of thousands of dead people and millions of displaced people would snap up a "do-over" in a heartbeat. Millions of people who have no jobs or poor-paying jobs or leaky retirement portfolios would snap up a "do-over" before you could say "There's a widening gap between the obscenely wealthy and everyone else."

I sincerely hope that the (probably) soon-to-be Liberals in power make some dramatic moves that are successful for all of our sakes. I would like to be able to say to my Conservative acquaintances in late 2010, "Eight years of Bill Clinton were good, eight years of Cheney/Bush were bad, and now three years of [fill in the blank] have been good. So, go fuck yourself."

I hope the next few years are so unarguably better, that George W. Bush's speaking fees steadily decrease and most of the copies of his book are relegated to the remainders bin.

http://www.mts.net/~lsisco/PAGE4.HTM
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--was womens voters' disgust at bein' put in the position of choosin' betwixt a misygonistic provocation and a transparently emotional ploy that capitalized on that provocation.--

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-Agreed, but that ain't my point.-

I'm sorry, I'm not very good at getting things. I only read it once.

Bill Crystal seems to think Hillary faked her tears. And we all know how brilliant that guy is.

There Had To Be A Less Harmful Way To Expose Incompetence

Submitted by Crank Bait on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 11:31pm.

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Tweren't an indictment of or provocation from anything you wrote.

Was more a thought prompted by what you wrote what got directed to you.

Always trouble.

(From whence folks often gets caught in the imputation crossfire.)

Submitted by Kat-in-Manhattan on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 11:17pm.
Thanks dr
by the way, why do I feel like I'm reading a Pogo comic strip when I read your posts?
It both amuses and kinda hurts my brain :)
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I like your name, too. And you are now officially the second person to tie dr and Pogo dialect together. "Are you a Pogo fan?" may have been the first question I asked dr.

The answer is (envelope, please)...Mark Twain.

Submitted by Alice on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 11:35pm.

I'm sorry, I'm not very good at getting things. I only read it once.

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No worries. I prolly ain't terrible good at 'splainin myself.

Will try again.

Don't understand (and mebbe it ain't yer hobby-horse) why it'd matter one way or t'other if Hillary cried or not.

Separatin' a coupla points here, whether Hillary cryin' were transparently a cynical ploy or not don't seem to have no bearing on whether the press acted like dicks about it.

That were my point.

...

Submitted by dr on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 11:17pm.
What do you make a alla these Dem doin's?

(If yer of a mind.)

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breezy dr,

Are there any particular Dem doin's that you have in mind?

By the way, I read your "verbose" post on an earlier thread.

Although it was a bit breezy, it reminded me of words that I heard today -- minus the graph posted by Matt (who also is in the doghouse with Edwards for similar reasons).

p.s. I hope you don't mind being called breezy, mi caballero.

Thank You, Iowa
Iowa voters rose to the occasion.
by William Kristol

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I was searching for a way to describe dr's style
and "Pogo" popped into my head (ow).
Don't remember the last time I read a Pogo strip.

Proof that I didn't do too many drugs in the 70's . . .

Submitted by Star Vox on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 11:47pm.

p.s. I hope you don't mind being called breezy, mi caballero.

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Oh, dear.

Can easy, breezy Cover-Girl be far behind?

when it comes to mainstream politicians, press, etc...

I pay closer attention to South America...the rebellious sort (as discussed between you and I earlier today)...are the ones I prefer to learn from and pay my attention to... :)

Ms_Anthrope said I was supposed to go ask you something, but I'm not quite sure what that something was...

Maybe it had something to do with tea. Or croissants?

PS - Heya, sista! Whaz shakin'? My boss is acting all pissed off at me lately because, well I'm not sure why. Maybe because I've been on the internet too much.

He doesn't appreciate that I'm *trying* to cut back.

to think of 1's and 0's as "something and nothing"...I've never thought of it that way before...that's so cool.

Should I go with this haircut

http://www.1001-hairstyles.com/gallery/medium-long/centre-parting/1/tml2...

or this one?

http://www.1001-hairstyles.com/gallery/medium-long/centre-parting/1/tml2...

the first one seems more natural.

thanks, mystic :)

"I'm not even that big on Hillary and I felt something there when it happened. More than what I've felt for my favorite candidate."

Is this part of a discussion about politics, or American Idol?

Trying is the important thing, eh? :)

I'm too paranoid today...I will tell you why her comment spooked me...because yesterday I went to pick up my mail and one of the girls was on the phone, and she told another girl there.."can you go help her, I don't want to"..and long story short..I heard them say my name, and then the second one came out to help me, and I told her what I heard, and she said, "Oh she was on the phone"..I said, "Talking to a (my name)?"..she said we have like four regular customers with that first name...

Anyway..point being..with all this cat stuff...and the way I wrote to the paper a few years ago and was blasted from here to eternity at the time...I was more paranoid after what happened yesterday..and then with this article about the cats...so maybe what WD wrote is harmless...but I am parnoid at the moment...

the ladies on NPR sounded just like that though....

Like the world would end if she doesn't win...in that vein...(or is it vane? I don't know..I've never typed that word before..but that's the word I need)

Wow that just blew my mind..

Submitted by Alice on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 11:54pm.
to think of 1's and 0's as "something and nothing"...I've never thought of it that way before...that's so cool.

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Null ain't void of meanin'.

it's become so much like gambling...people can just be addicted to winning itself and become blind to things because of that...

nothing does not exist

if it did

it would be something

but it is a place holder imo.

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Submitted by Alice on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:04am.
...people can just be addicted to winning itself and become blind to things because of that...
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Winning, like growing older, beats the alternative.

not everything is stats and voting records. people are picking someone they want to listen to for the next 4 to 8 years. someone they're comfortable with. maybe you don't vote based on such trivial matters but the majority of people do take them into account. whether you like it or not.

-Null ain't void of meanin'.-
That's a good pun.

&

-but it is a place holder-
And, I am too retarded at the moment to know what that means... :)

Submitted by Fernando on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:05am.

nothing does not exist

if it did

it would be something

but it is a place holder imo.

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If nothing don't exist, 'splain to me the atheistical view a the noafter.

Miscellaneous Observations on the Presidential Primaries, America's Great Political Circus

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/pardon-my-laughter-and-cynicism/

Submitted by Fernando on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:05am.
nothing does not exist
if it did
it would be something
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i.e. my checking account.

'night all

is boring the hell out of me. at least the whiners on the right are entertaining.

If The World Gives You Lemons, Make Clemens
new
Submitted by Crank Bait on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 11:41pm.

And you are now officially the second person to tie dr and Pogo dialect together. "Are you a Pogo fan?" may have been the first question I asked dr.

The answer is (envelope, please)...Mark Twain.
*******
I even posted a Picture of Lil'Abner !
When dr came back to Ye Old Blog..
:)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

BRIAN MOORE from the Peace and Freedom Party

and that's ok with me, as much as I would prefer to see..(if not LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO SEE) a Peace and Freedom Party candidate "win"...

Current Total: 3,984

Wounded 12/20/07 to 12/26/07: 62
Wounded Total (to 12/26/07): 49,721

NOT TO MENTION THE DEAD CIVILIANS..

the pessimism, paranoia and negativity on the left

Submitted by mystic23 on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:12am.

is boring the hell out of me. at least the whiners on the right are entertaining.

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That's innerestin'. The complacent reflexive compulsion 'mongst somes to reconcile irreconcilable differnces is boring the hell out of me.

Show yer work.

Who you mean?

Who on the right is "entertaining" to you?

is that cutesy enough for ya?

MMRules: "I even posted a Picture of Lil'Abner !
When dr came back to Ye Old Blog.."
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If this is a joke, it's a good one. If not, it's still a good one.

I think I'm registered independent. So, can I go register as Republican so I can vote in the primaries against McCain? Because I STILL think that whoever Democrat makes it through the primaries would have an easier chance against anybody but him...

My boss says if I'm not registered Republican, I can't vote about the Republicans in the primary - only the Democrats.

But if I'm registered Republican, can I vote for democratic people in the general election?

Why can't I just stay independent and vote for any of them? This is so weird.

I DO not care for the way I dwell here sometimes...I'm much more creative and happy when I focus on what I do want and what I don't want...and when I get what I don't want..I look at the why's of it...vibration-wise.

vote for Duncun Hunter. that'll show 'em.

www.bradblog.com

Stop Believing That The System Works ! Because It Dosen't Brother's and Sister's !

New Docs: Exec at NH's Diebold Vote Counting Firm Convicted of Narcotics Trafficking

Ken Hajjaar, Director of Diebold's Exclusive Sales & Service Provider in New England Pled Guilty to Criminal Charges in 90's
Does the Sec. of State of NH --- or CT or MA or VT or ME --- Even Know About It?...

Con't-http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5537

Tribune Media: MSM Failed to Note 'Hackable Diebold Red Flags' in New Hampshire Primary Results

Syndicated Columnist Robert Koehler Writes for Tomorrow's Papers: 'Possibility of Tainted Results, a Prospect Most of Media Can't Bear'

Notes Problems With NH's Diebold Machines 'Remain Unsolved'...

DUH ! !

Con't-http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5532

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

no explainin' is necesito

Submitted by mystic23 on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:18am.

is that cutesy enough for ya?

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Tain't cutesy.

Is sorta irritatingly chickenshit.

Look, mystic, you made a statement, did you not?

Yer all bunched up 'bout the negativity et al. on the left. Enough to comment onnit. 'N you sez the right is "at least ... entertainin'".

Now look, if you won't answer, fine. Yer prerogative.

But if you ain't of a mind to retract the statement (and no one sez you should), I reckon it's the least you can do to lead us to a more entertainin' mousetrap.

Who entertains you on the right?

Submitted by Annette on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:19am.
...Why can't I just stay independent and vote for any of them? This is so weird.
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Annette: "Oh, Toto, I don't think we're in Ka---wait, we are in Kansas!"

Submitted by Annette on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:19am.

I think I'm registered independent. So, can I go register as Republican so I can vote in the primaries against McCain?

Yes - in CA anyway..your state may allow you to vote for any party in the primaries...

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- I STILL think that whoever Democrat makes it through the primaries would have an easier chance against anybody but him...-

I agree with that..

*

It is weird, I know...Too much for a regular person to know about...though now that I know, I see where it could be considered 'fairly obvious' if I read and comprehended every word in context on the voter reg card...

I'ts like law, tax and otherwise...

NPR had a piece with a discussion within the Supreme Court about challenging that Indiana REQUIRES an ID from EVERY voter..and them trying to decipher how much hardship is worth getting rid of the law? One person said it was like creating a solution to a non existent problem, that of impersonation voting...

On the one hand, Hillary turned on the waterworks to fool a bunch of dippy broads in New Hampshire into voting for her.

On the other hand, she rigged the votes.

Look, New Hampshire picked two candidates that were perceived as moderates. John McCain and Hillary Clinton. Deal with it.

Not everything is a conspiracy theory.

Count your blessings, Annette. But for the grace of god and geography, you could be caucusing with the cottontops.

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i'm sure you'll sleep just fine if i don't answer you. i don't owe you anything. i don't even know you. sleep tight.

Replay..for you Night Owls..
11pm - 2am PST..

http://www.green960.com/pages/lineup.html

Does anybody know if Waldo is in New hampshire ?! ;)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Duncan Hunter does then it DOES show T.H.E.M. something, imo...

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/government-estimates-83000-excess-...

Breck Girl dr!

Submitted by dr on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 11:49pm.
Submitted by Star Vox on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 11:47pm.

p.s. I hope you don't mind being called breezy, mi caballero.

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Oh, dear.

Can easy, breezy Cover-Girl be far behind?

_________________

Are you going to tell me about your trip to the beauty parlor (hot campaigning spot for Obama or in support of Edwards)?

Is there something that you are not revealing, dr?

I am sure that you would look lovely in drag, but I would not call you easy, breezy Cover-Girl ever.

By the way, check out your dictionary. It was meant as a compliment, mi caballero.

Seriously, what did you think of the last Democratic debate?

I think the last debate helped Clinton.

Clinton won in the urban areas of the state.

Did Obama get out new young voters like in Iowa?

p.s. That would be left behind. Remember the rapture!

Which is it?

Submitted by mystic23 on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:27am.

On the one hand, Hillary turned on the waterworks to fool a bunch of dippy broads in New Hampshire into voting for her.

On the other hand, she rigged the votes.

Look, New Hampshire picked two candidates that were perceived as moderates. John McCain and Hillary Clinton. Deal with it.

Not everything is a conspiracy theory.

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Who are you talking to/at, mystic?

In another context, in place of "dippy broads" a contrarian might just as easily (and w/more justification, to sez nothin' of less sexist cant) replace "useful-fool hyperventilating bedwetters".

One mocks the qualities of judgment (or lack thereof). The other mocks an entire gender.

The world is complex. Yer analysis isn't.

I agree...like with Huckabee's cross in the background...

BUT BUT BUT...
I did see a glimpe of some religious guy on tv this past weekend in the same office-like setting, and he had not only the bookcase crosses behind him, but a wood and fabric room screen with the same cross-like patterns, next to the bookcase...for seemingly no reason...

uh huh... ;)

i'm partial to the chicken on a head style

it's what they're all wearing at kfc

"maybe you don't vote based on such trivial matters but the majority of people do take them into account. whether you like it or not."

No, the majority of people are disenfranchised and don't vote at all.

If you want to vote based on trivial matters, be my guest. But don't expect to be taken seriously.

Submitted by mystic23 on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:27am.
On the one hand, Hillary turned on the waterworks to fool a bunch of dippy broads in New Hampshire into voting for her.
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I wonder how many times Hillary Clinton has engaged in a real (not rhetorical) conversation while campaigning, and we don't know about it?

If I recall correctly, the "bunch of dippy broads" in the Cafe Expresso numbered around nine and the press numbered around forty-one.

I'm not the one sayin' it. Check the other posts in other threads. Let me clarify, since you don't seem to get the subtleties.

On the one hand, a few posters here have said that Hillary's tears were fake and they fooled a lot of (THEIR IMPLICATION, not MINE) stupid women into voting for her.

And on the other, a few posters here have devised a theory that NH's elections were rigged.

Take your ritilin, then maybe you can follow along without my having to explain everything word by word to you. Or do I have to talk like a long dead comic strip before you can catch my drift?

dr

Submitted by mystic23 on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:29am.

i'm sure you'll sleep just fine if i don't answer you. i don't owe you anything. i don't even know you. sleep tight.

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All true.

Doesn't change anything and seems a prime non sequitur, but all true nonetheless.

???

jesus, it was one state. get over it.

he's one of theirs. he must be good though since the main stream media is ignoring him.

I found the following paragraph here:

http://www.news-record.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080109/NRSTAFF/2...

...She was sitting in a coffee shop in Portsmouth, N.H., for an intimate chat with 16 women voters, plus 100 of her closest friends from the media. A voter about Clinton's age — 60 — asked, basically, how she manages to get out of bed every morning, and "Who does your hair?"...

he musta learned that trick from rush limpballs

Who for Chrissakes is Duncan Hunter?
Submitted by Annette on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:40am.
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Stop before he drowns!

I have really no idea who that is..

I am 89% sure he isn't running for POTUS though.. but don't quote me... :)

Tom Harkin and the late, great Paul Tsongas.

www.duncanhunter2008.com

I think he's still in the race. I don't know for sure. But the meme in here is that if the mainstream media is ignoring someone they must be the very best candidate. after all the ugly ol' MSM wouldn't want anyone GOOD to win. so, based on this logic, Duncan Hunter must be the very best candidate out there today.

Alice,

Read it and weep:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Republican_presidential_candi...

and

introducing the nolte look

inspired by crank bait

90% of all successful politicians have a full head of hair.

Hillary's got thicker hair than any of them, and Mitt Romney is a close second. I say it'll be these two in the final go-round...but only time will tell.

I skipped the Republicans all together... :)

he even seems to bob his head a little like Reagan did once upon a time when it was mourning in america.

I need my beauty sleep!

'night bloggerites! :-)

DR just like Pogo?

excuse me while I barf...

Pogo was entertaining, humorous and thought-provoking....

OTOH...there's DR...and he's...well...he's, uh...errr...he's...here?

Party.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUz-AgMGLQA

I can't see - what is this?

sorry i'm a big grump tonight. i'll think happy thoughts.

"dippy broads"

Submitted by mystic23 on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:39am.

I'm not the one sayin' it. Check the other posts in other threads. Let me clarify, since you don't seem to get the subtleties.

On the one hand, a few posters here have said that Hillary's tears were fake and they fooled a lot of (THEIR IMPLICATION, not MINE) stupid women into voting for her.

And on the other, a few posters here have devised a theory that NH's elections were rigged.

Take your ritilin, then maybe you can follow along without my having to explain everything word by word to you. Or do I have to talk like a long dead comic strip before you can catch my drift?

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--------ah, wait, but what's this?--------

Which is it?

Submitted by mystic23 on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:27am.

On the one hand, Hillary turned on the waterworks to fool a bunch of dippy broads in New Hampshire into voting for her.

________________

Yes, actually you *are* saying it, mystic.

Look, mystic.

You can sez whatever you wanna sez. We can agree or not, just as we please. It's still (to the best a my knowledge) an imperfectly free country.

(For the record, we don't agree.)

But how'z'bout you not be a complete craven chickenshit, OK?

If you, of yer own volition, chose the words "dippy broads", which you did, then that were your choice. That's how you characterize the womens what voted for Hillary b/c she (supposedly) cried.

You own them words.

It is cowardly and dishonest to the nth degree to try to blame the comments of others (points 'bout voter fraud 'n playing gender card) to justify yer choice of words.

Own yer fucking words or disown yer fucking words.

But don't pawn off yer choices on others.

That's you. All you.

Piggies - acoustic, mp3

I had never heard this before I heard it...I like when that happens..

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Well here's a statistic for ya...
Submitted by Annette on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:48am.

90% of all successful politicians have a full head of hair.

you're either drunk or you just don't get satire. i chose the words to satarize what others had said in their posts.

i really have no use for you.

and, by the way, it's your loss.

Submitted by mystic23 on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:55am.
you're either drunk or you just don't get satire.
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I am neither and I also caught the wrong drift.

and Dada is just like Sluggo!

and Ono is pretty much the mouse in Krazy Kat!

Annette? You can be Tizzy...but only on a trial basis.

it's been WAY fun.

you're just mad hillary won

Submitted by mystic23 on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:41am.

jesus, it was one state. get over it.

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This, for the record, is dishonest, stupid and desperate.

Congratulations, mystic.

You hit the trifecta.

kicked ass as always. Given.
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Nancy?

Ok..there's my next nic when I tire of this one...

*smooches!*

I'm going to read and sleep now... xoxo

you missed your calling

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The Tizzy reference is so arcane that it defies google...

I remember Tizzy from the mid-60s...she was the `typical teenaged girlk...spen quite a bit of time on a princess phone and listening to 45s...

Crank? you can be Steve Roper...

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Context is everything. Look at my post again.

....

On the one hand, Hillary turned on the waterworks to fool a bunch of dippy broads in New Hampshire into voting for her.

On the other hand, she rigged the votes.

Look, New Hampshire picked two candidates that were perceived as moderates. John McCain and Hillary Clinton. Deal with it.

Not everything is a conspiracy theory.

....

It should be obvious that I don't believe she rigged the votes. Ergo it should also be obvious that I don't believe the women in New Hampshire are dippy broads who were fooled by Hillary's supposedly fake tears.

Point being, there are two different and opposite theories going on here to explain Hillary's win in NH. The title of the post, for the still braindead, is "Which is it?" And I end with "Not everything is a conspiracy theory.".

Picking what should be a few words said in obvious disdain for the idea that Hillary faked her tears and also even more disdain for the idea that gullible women fell for it is a pretty pathetic way to "debate". Unless your goal was to simply make me mad enough to stop discussing things here instead of actually answering my post.

For the record if I could have voted in 1972 it would have been for Shirley Chisolm. I'm a feminist from way back, and yeah I stayed up in Nov. '72 when I was 11 years old, watching the news to see if she'd win.

I'd think it more likely the right would do it for her.

She's the candidatethey want to run against.

don't wants no troubles

only here to play the who a coupla times

besards,

dr is gittin whooped ta nart

: )

it's be in the right's best interests to flip Edwards votes her way...

dr

Submitted by mystic23 on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:55am.

you're either drunk or you just don't get satire. i chose the words to satarize what others had said in their posts.

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No. You didn't.

But whatever.

What you are saying now ("It's satire!") is precisely what Ann Coulter would sez if she were boxed inna corner by her own assholery and hadn't no good options left.

"What, can't ya take a joke?"

One of the cardinal rules of satire, which is why a body allus knows rightards never get it and are dissembling whenever they falsely invoke it, is that satire is a literary device that criticizes the powerful and their effect upon the powerless.

Satire is a form of subversion of the status quo, not validation, much less domination.

Satire lampoons entrenched authority, it does not ridicule the weak or disenfranchised.

There was nothing in yer post, mystic, that would lead any objective observer to the conclusion that you thought "dippy broads" were anything less than a Nietzschean will-to-power inversion of the powerless unjustly exerting their power over the powerful.

Taken in context, "dippy broads" was an obvious slur.

You said it, mystic. Own it. Or disown it, just as you please (so much the better).

But spare me the "not my words" shtick.

Tain't foolin' nobody.

I know what you did last thread!

"Unless your goal was to simply make me mad enough to stop discussing things here instead of actually answering my post."

What things are you discussing? Hillary's emotional authenticity? I would rather you didn't. Though I doubt that was dr's goal.

Now these are the actions of a dippy broad!

»

you're trying so hard to sound important at my expense.

if any women here felt slurred, i apologize and ask that you read my post in the light that i suggest it, not in someone else's mischaracterization. i trust that the smart women who post here "got it". sorry about the idiot dudes who didn't.

is it not the height of dippiness to suggest Hillary is not the very definition of entrenched power?

You must be new here?

;)

Ono...
Submitted by Chubby Bubba on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 1:12am.

I know what you did last thread!

I'm not suggesting Hillary is anything one way or another. I'm not for her. Like Sam, I'll support her if she wins the nomination. If she doesn't, I'm more than happy if Edwards or Obama gets it.

Meantime, she might win and I'd rather find some decent qualities in her than dwell on the things I don't like about her.

If that's dippy, f#ck it.

>>you're trying so hard to sound important
Submitted by Chubby Bubba on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 1:17am.

You must be new here?

;)

Could be...but...Crank does have a cold.

it's what's posted this thread that is important

and how one will be judged for all eternity...

so imma prayin' for a new thread

Humor 101
Submitted by mystic23 on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 1:07am.

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I will defer to my mentors air-ono and Chubby Bubba in the humor department.

Look, if you don't wanna own that "dippy broads" were a poor choice of words, fine. A lot of people is like that. They'd rather try to pretend there were busily engaged in SATIRE than just own up to making a poor decision.

It's human nature.

Forget about it.

I'm sure I'm utterly wrong in alla this.

Good night.

dr

It's difficult to respect someone who cares about candidates as if they are celebrity heroes.

why does this remind me of Romney and/or Rudy?

only exists in cologne. Stop the senseless rambling a/o. My sauced eye balls can only hit carriage return so many times.

USER NAV

grrr

just when it's getting tough!

Submitted by mystic23 on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:27am.
On the one hand, Hillary turned on the waterworks to fool a bunch of dippy broads in New Hampshire into voting for her.

On the other hand, she rigged the votes.

______________________

I'm confused.

Are women smart and powerful enough to rig the votes for an entire state or are women dippy broads fooled into voting for Clinton?

Who should women be voting for in this election? Can a man please tell me?

The woman who would be the first woman President of the United States?

Should women vote for one of the men candidates (Edwards and Obama) who publicly both made sexist comments about the woman candidate recently?

Please enlighten me who all the women should be voting for in the next election.

Own your sexist words.

"Meantime, she might win and I'd rather find some decent qualities in her than dwell on the things I don't like about her."

So you think she cried genuinely. That's your decent quality.

Why dwell on the things you don't like? Why waste your beautiful mind on that?

that's easy...Vote for Rudy!

he'll keep us all safe from Al Quada!

first responders woulda been if their phones worked!

stop imagining...you can start posting again.

I said, "PENCILS DOWN"!!!

talk about diggin a hole and never quitting
some people just don't know when to quit
and please don't blame it on the men
you were being very rude -now get over yourself

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dada
Submitted by mystic23 on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:07am.
not everything is stats and voting records. people are picking someone they want to listen to for the next 4 to 8 years. someone they're comfortable with. maybe you don't vote based on such trivial matters but the majority of people do take them into account. whether you like it or not.

no explainin' is nececito
Submitted by mystic23 on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:18am.
is that cutesy enough for ya?

isn't it different in every state, Annette?
Submitted by mystic23 on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:21am.
vote for Duncun Hunter. that'll show 'em.

Which is it?
Submitted by mystic23 on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:27am.
On the one hand, Hillary turned on the waterworks to fool a bunch of dippy broads in New Hampshire into voting for her.

Not everything is a conspiracy theory.
"dippy broads"
Submitted by mystic23 on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:39am.
I'm not the one sayin' it. Check the other posts in other threads. Let me clarify, since you don't seem to get the subtleties.

Take your ritilin, then maybe you can follow along without my having to explain everything word by word to you. Or do I have to talk like a long dead comic strip before you can catch my drift?

you're just mad hillary won
Submitted by mystic23 on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:41am.
jesus, it was one state. get over it.

dr has a way of putting words into other people's mouths
Submitted by mystic23 on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:43am.
he musta learned that trick from rush limpballs

Humor 101
Submitted by mystic23 on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 1:07am.

dr
Submitted by mystic23 on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:55am.
you're either drunk or you just don't get satire. i chose the words to satarize what others had said in their posts.

i really have no use for you

goodnite all.
Submitted by mystic23 on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 12:58am.
it's been WAY fun.

most First Responders I know are worth their salt.

USER NAV

I'm refering to the deal that Rudy swung w/Motorola before 9-11...the one where he locked NYC into a long term deal w/ phones that didn't work.

>>Please enlighten me who all the women should be voting for
Submitted by Chubby Bubba on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 1:35am.
that's easy...Vote for Rudy!

he'll keep us all safe from Al Quada!

__________________________

Thanks, Chubby Bubba.

Priceless!

Who will keep us safe from Rudy?

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

from the Satires of Juvenal

p.s. By the way, good to see you posting on the blog.

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Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Reference:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quis_custodiet_ipsos_custodes%3F

Huckabee?

But I think 1st responders deserve a communications system that actually works...

even if there are cheaper alternatives and/or Rudy doesn't get a kickback

see you cats later!

it's been fun!

just being honest...
I'm not even worth talking to right now but

Have to respond to that

First Responders are heroes.

Losing them for greed is worse than insulting.

USER NAV

Who do you hope becomes President?

Hillary Clinton
John Edwards
Mike Gravel
Dennis Kucinich
Barack Obama
Other
Some Republican dumbass

Left side column at http://ltradio.blogspot.com/

Good..
I almost had to pull out an old post,
which had Oktoberfest Boobs and,stupid people wrestling in Sumo Costumes..
It was a semi-collage for the bloggy ages ! ;)
Well..At least, all the guys liked the boobs/cleavage ! :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

>>Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Submitted by Chubby Bubba on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 2:04am.
Huckabee?

___________________

Huckabee Busy As A Bee Planning Rapture

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The GOP Primary Field in Buffy Villains

Shortly after doing my first video blog post in werewolf form, I came up with a guide to the GOP primary field, expressed in terms of the Buffy villains they most resemble.

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Cogitamus

We Belong to No Organized Political Blog

Link:

http://www.cogitamusblog.com/2008/01/the-gop-primary.html

Glenn Beck,talking about his recent botched surgery (of which exactly he didn't divulge)(Hemorrhoids-Hee !), railing against the hospital where he was treated, (comparing his own plight with that of the soldiers at rat-infested Walter Reed Hospital) and how the mistrreatment and lack of compassion from hospital staff made him almost "full fledged suicidal." Vincent D'Onofrio pulled this act off better in that infamous bathroom scene from Full Metal Jacket.

Link-LTR

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Full Metal Hack !
Submitted by MMRules on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 3:03am.
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as in covering his (Beck's)face til.... well whatever
I'm sure he was a huge asshole and a big baby.
I bet all the nurses hated him.

whose been posting lately ?
Hope so.. :)

He actually compared himself with the solders at Walter Reed !
Asshole isn't a strong enough word !

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Can You Count on Voting Machines? Hell No !

Click On Image..

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

a mere drop in the bucket!

evening gang!

blogging from hong kong...

a bit...

whats going on in the land of the free?

just about snooze a clock for me bud.

everyone paying attention to the early election moves.

i'm clanking along with a few good projects.

say hey to any china bloggers if you run across any. give em our best!

Some old same old here !
Ya know,like did Diebold(via-Rethugs) give Hillary a New Hampshire Gift ?
Or,are we all just abunch of whiny fucks..(Per Markos)

Just the usual fun ! ;)

How are you doing ?
Good I hope !
So,how are The Heathen Commie's doing ? snark ;) !
Just kidding..
I'd like to go there one day..
Have fun..Stay safe. :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Heard it on his show..

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Did Cenk Hugur just play taps for Bill Richardson's political campaign? It struck me as hugely inappropriate.

Anyway. Why doesn't Air America have a Black host? At least the coverage of Barack Obama's campaign could be a little more on point and relevant - apparantly, that is necessary. You'd barely notice he had won, in Iowa. Everyone just got busy talking about Hillary and Jon Edwards again. The lineup is just a little out of touch that way.

Then, why is the Air America management so determined to have garbage on before the Thom Hartmann show? The Young Turks, followed by Lionel. Before Lionel, there was Jerry Springer? Because we all know how much 'liberals' want to listen to Jerry Springer. Somehow, they think that these timeslots should be either centrist or light weight.

This is not why people turn into Air America.

darn! tootin'

hence, the special fx "grrr" gritting of the teeth

ok, from about //Humor 101// @ 1:07am

the results are in... the doc took an adverse humourless dislike to "dippy broads", which is not characteristic of the doc's otherwise unblemished record for dissecting the delicate hues between shite and shiola

and the winner is ["hack-hack-hack" to quote edna]

SATIRE!!

: )

(and not the 19th century oscar wilde variety that dr is partial too... he's stuck in the past... he can't shake it... and it's tearing him apart)

Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 6:15am

Then, why is the Air America management so determined to have garbage on before the Thom Hartmann show? -----------------------------------------------------

So true Anonymous. Lionel before coming to Air America often criticize progressive radio. As I have post before, he referred to Rachel Maddow as " a thick necked lesbian". He is a vile, little, sexist opportunist. His audience use to be comprised of very conservative, racist New York cops.

As far as the Young Turks is concern, too much celebrity bullshit for
me. Besides I don't find them that progressive.

as insightful as ever, edna

now let's see what young danno can muster

: )

sorry, i'm still sulking from being told to stfu

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But they’re not. They’re counted by Diebold. Only a candidate can request a hand recount, and most never do so. And a rigged election can easily become a rigged recount, as we learned in Ohio 2004, where two election officials were convicted of rigging their recount…. "

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http://www.gnn.tv/
# Major allegations of vote fraud in New Hampshire
# New Hampshire District Admits Ron Paul Votes Not Counted
# For Sale: The West’s Deadly Nuclear Secrets
# New Hampshire Voting Box Issues
One person controls 81% of the New Hampshire Vote Tally

John Silvestro and his small private business, LHS Associates, has the exclusive programming contracts for all New Hampshire voting machines, which combined will count about 81 percent of the vote tomorrow.

Silvestro IS the New Hampshire chain of custody

Or at least a very large component in it.

Last fall, with the help of some New Hampshire citizens, Black Box Voting began working on a “New Hampshire Chain of Custody” project, in which we identified some of the areas of concern that might affect many jurisdictions at once. First on the list is LHS Associates, a vendor with inside access to every memory card in New Hampshire, as well as to the chips containing the “brain” of the Diebold optical scan machines.

LHS Associates programs all the memory cards in New Hampshire and Connecticut; about all of Vermont’s voting machines, and has a lock on almost all of Massachusetts as well.
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http://talknationradio.com/?p=101
[...]
LHS President John Silvestro admitted his staff violated Connecticut security protocols during the 2006 election. Memory cards were swapped by LHS staff members who saw protocols from the State indicating they were not to touch machines. Still, Silvestro touts the benefits of privatizing Connecticut’s election to his company that sells Diebold products. He said: ‘–I feel very confident in the fact that the process itself is better left in the private venue than it is in the public venue when I see the influence that each political party can put on people and make things happen in this country, whether right or wrong. I mean if you think about it. I would ask you the same way. Would you like politically connected people to both parties to be in charge of running the process of creating voting machines, counting ballots, and you know, would you like that? I don’t know.’

Silvestro attended an August meeting to correct security problems his staff caused when they swapped memory cards in violation of the Secretary of State’s protocols. The problem would be solved, he offers, by automatically auditing any machine that fails during a vote.

stfu was a typo.
(ok)
look!

i have a deranged cockatiel running around on top of my keyboard

and i can't be held responsible for any future bile i may or may not post

anyway, if you remove the typo, what you're left with is...

"you have a beautiful smile"

the 97% who love hillary

whatever gave way in new hampshire

whether it was the boo-hoo factor, the bradley effect, the i got distracted by a cockatiel excuse...

(it may be a combination)

provided it's not diebold sleight of hand

then that's democracy

: )

*

damn straight, they're the scurge of freedom fighters everywhere

you know those orange mesh bags

that oranges come in

well, i have one over my keyboard

and i'm typing through it

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Suddenly, on that May day in 2005, the copter dropped CS gas, a riot-control substance the American military in Iraq can use only under the strictest conditions and with the approval of top military commanders. An armored vehicle on the ground also released the gas, temporarily blinding drivers, passers-by and at least 10 American soldiers operating the checkpoint.

“This was decidedly uncool and very, very dangerous,” Capt. Kincy Clark of the Army, the senior officer at the scene, wrote later that day. “It’s not a good thing to cause soldiers who are standing guard against car bombs, snipers and suicide bombers to cover their faces, choke, cough and otherwise degrade our awareness.”

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None of the American soldiers exposed to the chemical, which is similar to tear gas, required medical attention, and it is not clear if any Iraqis did. Still, the previously undisclosed incident has raised significant new questions about the role of private security contractors in Iraq, and whether they operate under the same rules of engagement and international treaty obligations that the American military observes.

“You run into this issue time and again with Blackwater, where the rules that apply to the U.S. military don’t seem to apply to Blackwater,” said Scott L. Silliman, the executive director of the Center on Law, Ethics and National Security at the Duke University School of Law........

Free Democracy

http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/

One reason for a re-count is…..
http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com//?p=914#comment-2718

1. First, it only costs $500 for the primary (not $65K+ as some have said). http://www.nh.gov/nhinfo/disputed.html

2. There were 42 presidential candidates on the ballot and any of them can request a recount. I believe I have found one of those candidates who would be willing to do so.
His name is Albert Howard and he received some 40 votes in NH primary and is eligible to request a recount. He also seems to be a Ron Paul supporter and has interviewed Paul. His website is http://alberthoward.org

“It was back to reality for presidential candidate Albert Howard of Ann Arbor, back behind the wheel of his Checker cab waiting for passengers at Detroit Metro Airport.

The father of eight savored his 40 votes in the New Hampshire presidential GOP primary. Howard was among 42 also-rans who paid $1,000 to get on the New Hampshire ballot, and he was something of a celebrity, interviewed by Time magazine, the New York Times, Boston Globe and the nightly ABC News.

At one point, his vote total climbed to 178, then dropped. He is asking the New Hampshire Secretary of State for a recount. Howard said he was in awe that even 40 people picked him.”

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The Boston Globe reports 139 voters, and CNN reports 144 votes, both are reporting zero votes for Ron Paul, but the Nashua Telegraph is reporting a very different story in Greenville tallying 290 votes they report 25 votes for Ron Paul. In Greenville they used electronic “vote flipping” machines so perhaps not another human error, but possible malicious intent. Out of the 17 towns that originally reported no votes for Ron Paul, two have been changed, but how many more towns have erased our votes, or updated their numbers without anyone noticing? We must find out.
[..]
http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=news0807

in New Hampshire, reports Chris Matthews who saw the exit poll data. He says both showed an 8 point win by Obama.

Oops, I didn't see that you had already posted this!

Who in the fuck is Tizzy?

Oh well.

Mornin' bloggers!!!

Oh crap look at the time! I gotta get my ass to work!

: "Tizzy" is still part of the language in good standing, but we also have more colorful synonyms for particular tizzies. "I'm afraid she'll be thrown into a tizzy," comes close to the meaning of "I'm afraid she'll have a cow." Or: "Don't get into a tizzy" can sometimes be replaced by "Don't get your panties into a bunch."
: The citations quoted by the OED don't suggest any gender preference in the use the word, but nowadays one tends to think of old-fashioned ladies--aunts and grandmothers--as being particularly subject to tizzies.
: SS

www.phrases.org.uk

mystic23, dr, Star Vox et al,

I located these two posts, back-to-back, at the tail end of the Clinton Wins thread:
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inner passion
Submitted by gravitas on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 4:05pm.
You're being duped. She showed inner passion for herself, not for a change or for you, me or our country. She was emotional cause she thought she was going to lose.
She got all the broads to give her their sympathy votes though.
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"all the broads"
Submitted by mystic23 on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 11:48pm.
i'm a guy but i'm also a feminist. what are you, Andrew Dice Clay?
Yeah that evil, self serving, manipulative Hillary eeked out a few tears cause she thought she might lose another state and all the stupid chicks in New Hampshire fell for her big show.
You really convinced me there.
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mystic23,

A re-posting of these two posts would have explained your sarcasm (which, as I wrote last night, I missed entirely as did dr).

I have blown it, as you did, by knowing (to well) in my head what I intended to convey but failing to put it on the page so that it is obvious. The best bet (in my experience) is to backtrack, provide supporting evidence for intent, and apologize for the confusion.

I just heard on MSNBC that John Kerry will endorse Obama. Kind of a kick in the butt to Edwards. Makes me think the DCCC is behind this.

i don't remember where it was posted - it's glen ford's of black agenda or something - one of my favorite bloggers from way back when he was posting on the black commentator

anyway he writes obama is a member of the dlc though he likes to keep this information under the radar, does not advertise it - this certainly account for the "chosen" aura that surrounds obama's political career - the dlc recognized a potential member early on (you know, the clintonesque charisma) and nurtured it

if you like rahm emanuel and hoyer and hillary and rubinomics and yeah kerry (sigh) you should love obama

Clearing The Air
Submitted by Crank Bait on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 9:31am.
mystic23, dr, Star Vox et al,
mystic23,

A re-posting of these two posts would have explained your sarcasm (which, as I wrote last night, I missed entirely as did dr).

I have blown it, as you did, by knowing (to well) in my head what I intended to convey but failing to put it on the page so that it is obvious. The best bet (in my experience) is to backtrack, provide supporting evidence for intent, and apologize for the confusion.

__________________

I wanted to let you know that I read your post. I think your post is commendable, Crank Bait.

For clarification, I was being sarcastic in my post Satire For Sexism. I was attempting to make a general point about satire (and sexism) on the blog.

Unfortunately, I didn't return to the blog until later (after the blog discussion). I was not angry with anyone here earlier. I also was not attacking you, dr, and/or mystic23.

I find it ironic that two men were having the discussion that I was reading on this thread. I believe dr and mystic23 may actually have some similar views.

I appreciate men speaking up against sexism and I believe that it is important if our society is to move beyond sexism. For example, I applaud Seder for doing so on the blog and I have said so.

However, I understand how both you and dr could miss the intended satire in the post. For the record, I wish mystic23 would have pointed it out earlier on the blog (as you suggested). I know that it can be challenging to differentiate between sexist and satirical posts on the blog.

I would like to encourage more men to speak up against sexism on the blog and elsewhere. I greatly respect men that do.

Finally, I apologize if any of you were offended by my posts.

And you can hear him at FAIR's website, or jump from their links at http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3001

I've blogged about this and Obama not being as liberal as we would like at PeaceHugs.com -- but let's hope Thom Hartmann is correct in that we will make him or whoever is nominated more liberal.

Kate Anne

Thought it was interesting Gary Hart wrote on the race v gender today in HuffPost, in part he said:

The contest between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton is further complicated by unusual factors. Her gender. His race. Many women will vote for her simply because she is a woman. Many minorities will support him simply because he is an unusual black-American. That is human nature and to a great degree understandable. But gender and race cannot and should not obscure the larger realities. America is stuck. Read more.

I see now that gender or race are not as important as who is best equipped to implement changes. I that that now means race = change and gender = status quo if we're only considering the top 2 candidates.

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brr
☯

Star Vox: "...Finally, I apologize if any of you were offended by my posts."
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I wasn't offended. I thought (perhaps misinterpreted?) your comments indicated that you had joined dr and myself in misapplying the intent behind Mystic23's post(s).

I agree with your thinking (Kee-ryst, maybe we are both off-base again?) that Mystic23 is in the same camp with the rest of us. His post(s) in question were lacking enough information to clarify intent. I have made the same mistake many times, so I understand the blunder all-to-well.

Truth be told, I abandon a lot of humorous post ideas because the necessary background information needing reposting from the various previous posts written by others (to clarify my joke-y riff) would bury the joke in wordiness.

If the sarcasm is timely with respect to the targeted post (as Mystic23's was in the reposts I offered), the intent is obvious. Attempting to continue the sarcasm onto a subsequent thread and/or minutes or hours later is a bad idea. It assumes too much from the reader.

If you support Hillary just because she is female, who is the sexist? If your gender is the most important issue to you, fine. If the corporate takeover of the USA bothers you, maybe you might reconsider.

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