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Sam,

McLellan's tell all book blames Bush for Plame outing

Internet Found Guilty of Promoting Terrorism

by Barbara Peterson Page 1 of 2 page(s)

According to HR 1955: Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007, the Internet is guilty of promoting terrorism, and is subject to sentencing by Congressional committee.

HR 1955 can be found in its entirety by clicking this link: HR 1955 text. While reading this bill, it occurred to me that one of the main thrusts of the bill, as indicated in the following excerpt, is to declare the Internet guilty of promoting terrorism, and to lay the foundation for sentencing. Please pay careful attention to numbers 2 and 3:

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_barbara__071119_internet_found_g...

McClellan’s tell-all implicates Bush in Plame scandal. Former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan will publish a memoir in April titled “What Happened.” In an excerpt posted by his publisher, McClellan implicates “the President himself” in the Valerie Plame scandal:

“The most powerful leader in the world had called upon me to speak on his behalf and help restore credibility he lost amid the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. So I stood at the White house briefing room podium in front of the glare of the klieg lights for the better part of two weeks and publicly exonerated two of the senior-most aides in the White House: Karl Rove and Scooter Libby.

“There was one problem. It was not true.

“I had unknowingly passed along false information. And five of the highest ranking officials in the administration were involved in my doing so: Rove, Libby, the vice President, the President’s chief of staff, and the president himself.”

McClellan, who orchestrated the White House’s stonewalling of the investigation into the leak, later said he was lied to by those directly involved.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/20/mcclellans-tell-all-implicates-bush-...

Let the fun begin :)

Alberto Gonzales Heckled At University Of Florida Speech
Former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales delivered his $40,000 speech at the University of Florida last night. Gonzales’ first stop on a nationwide college speaking tour got off to a very rocky start, as he had to endure shouts of “criminal” and “liar” throughout his speech. The St. Petersburg Times describes the scene:

Embattled former U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales was a few minutes into his speech Monday night when the first two protesters took the stage, their heads covered and hands tied behind their backs like Abu Ghraib prisoners.

One of the young men stood silently beside Gonzales, who looked down at his notes and waited for two police officers to lead him away. Then came a young man in a military fatigue jacket, who stood directly in front of Gonzales with a sign declaring: “Habeus corpus.”

Watch it:

In the speech, Gonzales said his “only regret as attorney general” was that he did not have a “better process” in place for “changes in personnel at the U.S. attorney rank.” While clearly mindful that it was the U.S. attorney scandal that brought his tenure to an end, Gonzales still does not appear to understand that it was his highly-partisan water-carrying for the White House that was the root of his undoing.

Gonzales attempted to spin the college students by arguing that history will be kind to the Bush administration. “It will take years for the entire story to be told,” he said. “We know the first manuscripts of administrations are often incomplete, and they can be inaccurate, and they have to be discarded.” Gonzales is clearly banking on the hope that the next generation of historians will forget his numerous unconstitutional and illegal actions.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/20/alberto-uf/

A Blueprint for Impeachment;:The Constitution Still in Crisis

by Cindy Sheehan Page 1 of 1 page(s)

http://www.opednews.com

Tell A Friend

This pattern of immunity for presidents must stop. Impeaching George Bush for lying to get us into war will not only protect us from him, but also send an unmistakable message to future presidents: Never again. Elizabeth Holtzman, former Congresswoman in the forward to: Constitution in Crisis by Congressman John Conyers, Jr. and Staff

I was recently given an award by the Cranbrook Peace Institute and the ceremonies were held in Detroit, the hometown of Rep. John Conyers. I was pretty surprised that he agreed to introduce me at the event considering that the last time I saw him I was being hauled out of his office in DC in handcuffs and I have been very outspoken about the Democrats failure to hold BushCo accountable. I must give the Congressman a lot of credit to always show up to events where he knows he is going to be harassed about impeachment and he gave me a nice introduction reading part of my testimony in Congress regarding the Downing Street Minutes that Rep. Conyers conducted in a cramped room in the basement of Congress on June 16, 2005. In the intro he called me the “mother of the modern peace movement.”

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_cindy_sh_071119_a_blueprint_for_...

kick his $40,000 ass---

On small cam

after numerous refreshes.

Maron still sounds tinny!

Grand Jury Probe Goes Beyond Blackwater
A Washington grand jury has issued subpoenas to several private security firms, not just Blackwater. Private security companies in Iraq "have been shooting a lot of people," a source tells the Washington Post.

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004746.php

Can we turn Sam's volume up or Marc's down a little. They are out of balance.

Paulose Move Averted More Resignations?
By Paul Kiel - November 20, 2007, 10:02AM
So what provoked U.S. Attorney for Minnesota Rachel Paulose's sudden move back to Washington? The Washington Post reports that Paulose's interview with the National Review might have something to do with it. In the interview, a response to the variety of employee complaints against her, she decried the "McCarthyite hysteria that permits the anonymous smearing of any public servant who is now, or ever may have been, a member of the Federalist Society; a person of faith; and/or a conservative (especially a young, conservative woman of color)."

From the Post:

The brief interview provoked some of Paulose's staff, according to her predecessor as Minnesota U.S. attorney, Thomas W. Heffelfinger. He said in an interview last night that "at least one and as many as three of her current staff managers either had resigned or were threatening to resign today."
Such defections would have been the second in Paulose's office in less than a year. This spring, her top assistant and two other senior prosecutors stepped down from their management responsibilities, saying they no longer could work with her.

"Last week she was talking about staying, and today she is leaving," said Heffelfinger, a state and federal prosecutor for nearly 20 years before he resigned last year to enter private practice. "So something happened."

Her departure "was a mutual decision" between Paulose and officials in Justice's headquarters, said one source familiar with the decision, speaking about a personnel matter on the condition of anonymity.

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004748.php

but both cams sounds are breaking up real bad.

Sibel Edmonds: A Patriot Silenced, Unjustly Fired but Fighting Back to Help Keep America Safe.
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Sibel Edmonds was hired as a translator by the FBI shortly after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 because of her knowledge of Middle Eastern languages. She was fired less than a year later in March 2002 for reporting shoddy work and security breaches to her supervisors that could have prevented those attacks

Even though she followed all appropriate procedures for reporting her concerns up the chain of command, Edmonds was retaliated against and fired.
Link-TO PETITION CONGRESS REQUESTING ACTION

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Poll: Udall Leads For New Mexico Senate Seat
By Eric Kleefeld - November 20, 2007, 9:26AM
A new SurveyUSA poll in New Mexico finds Congressman Tom Udall (D), who just declared his candidacy for the seat of retiring GOP Senator Pete Domenici, to be the clear frontrunner. For the Democratic nomination, Udall leads Albuquerque Mayor Martin Chávez by a 62%-32% margin, and also does better than Chávez in the general election match-ups.

Udall leads the two Republicans, Representatives Heather Wilson and Steve Pearce, by margins of about 15% in both cases. If Chávez is the Democratic nominee, he trails Pearce by ten points and Wilson by one point.

On the Republican side, Wilson is the frontrunner for the nomination, leading Pearce by a 56%-37% margin.

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/11/poll_udall_leads_for_new_mexico_se...

ha! maron-

Seder is frozen.

dont you read up thread Rules?

Thanks to...
America's Democratic Party
frankOdelic

The Democratic Party's research team has put together a list of more than 50 recent Republican resignations, pleas, sentences and scandals.

REPUBLICAN FUNDRAISERS, OPERATIVES AND PLAYERS

1.) Jack Abramoff - Abramoff, a Bush Pioneer and Republican lobbyist, pleaded guilty to two counts of fraud in connection with Suncruz casino boats in January 2006. He also pleaded guilty to two additional fraud counts and tax evasion in connection with lobbying for Native American tribes in 2006.

2.) Alan Fabian - Fabian was the co-chair of Mitt Romney's national finance committee and a prominent Republican donor who gave 100,000+ to the RNC and the Bush inauguration. In August 2007 he was indicted for allegedly making $32 million in false purchases of computer equipment to pay for his lavish spending habits.

3.) Kyle "Dusty" Foggo - Foggo, the former 3 official at the CIA, was indicted by a Grand Jury on corruption charges in connection with his campaign contributions to Republican members of Congress and resulting federal contracts.

4.) Robert Kjellander - Kjellander, a Bush Pioneer and RNC treasurer, was subpoenaed by federal prosecutors in August 2005 as part of a probe investigating corruption at the Illinois Teacher's Retirement Systems, a state run teacher's pension fund. The subpoena specifically sought records relating to Kjellander's receipt of $4.5 million in fees from the Carlyle group, for helping to land the business with the pension fund.

5.) Bernie Kerik - "Federal prosecutors in New York have informed Kerik that he is a 'target' of a criminal investigation into possible tax problems, illegal wiretapping and making false statements in an FBI questionnaire connected to Kerik's nomination." In addition, a Daily News"investigation revealed that Kerik accepted cash and gifts from Interstate Industrial, an allegedly mobbed-up construction company."

6.) Michael Mixon - Mixon, a major NRCC donor, was indicted on charges of fraud and funding terrorism.

7.) Thomas Noe - Noe, a Bush Pioneer, pleaded guilty in May 2006 on charges of money laundering in connection to his political fundraising. He was also the key figure in the Ohio "Coingate" scandal.

8.) Ralph Reed - Reed, a Bush Pioneer (2000), Ranger (2004) and prominent Republican lobbyist, is being investigated because of a $4 million payment that Abramoff made to Reed.

9.) James Tobin - Former NRCC, RNC and Bush-Cheney '04 staffer was convicted in December 2005 for his role in a plot to stop people from voting in New Hampshire in 2002.

10.) Brent Wilkes - Wilkes, George W. Bush's finance co-chairman in California, was indicted in February 2007 by a Grand Jury on corruption charges in connection with his campaign contributions to Republican members of Congress and resulting federal contracts.

11.) Sam Wyly, Charles Wyly - The Wylys, top Bush fundraisers from Texas, are under investigation for tax evasion by federal and state agencies. The Billionaire Bush patrons are accused of setting up offshore trusts on the Island of Man, a noted tax shelter in the Irish Sea, in an attempt to evade paying taxes on stock options.

REPUBLICAN SENATE

12.) Conrad Burns - Former Sen. Burns was the largest recipient of Abramoff-related money in the U.S. Senate, and made calls urging the Department of Interior to award federal grants to an Abramoff client. That effort failed and Burns later inserted an earmark directing the grant in an appropriations bill.

13.) Larry Craig - Sen. Craig pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct in incident where police report documented conduct in a Minneapolis airport restroom. Craig also returned $43,500 in campaign contributions received from Brent Wilkes and his business associates after an Idaho repored that he sponsored an amendment to earmark a $3 million contract to Wilkes' company.

14.) Pete Domenici - In April 2007, the Senate confirmed that the Senate Ethics Committee was investigating Sen. Domenici's role in phone calls he made about ongoing investigations into Democratic officials shortly before the 2006 election.

15.) Bill Frist - The Securities and Exchange Commission in investigating whether Frist, the former Senate Majority Leader engaged in insider trading, selling off holdings in HCA immediately before its value plummeted. Frist maintained that his holdings were in a blind trust, but the Senate frequently provided Frist with information on his holdings and Frist directed the sale of the stock. At the time of the sale, Frist's brother was on HCA's Board of Directors.

16.) Mel Martinez - A FEC audit found the Martinez campaign failed to properly disclose $162,000 in contributions.

17.) Lisa Murkowski - A complaint filed with Senate Ethics Committee alleges that Sen. Murkowski received property from an Alaska real estate developer at a price well below market value.

18.) Ted Stevens - Sen. Stevens home in Alaska was raided in July 2007 by the FBI and IRS looking for evidence in connection with an investigation of a remodeling project conducted by VECO.

19.) David Vitter - Sen. Vitter acknowledged committing a "very serious sin" after his number appeared five times in the records of what federal authorities say was a Washington call-girl operation

REPUBLICAN HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

20.) Ken Calvert - A Grand Jury issued a report which said that Rep. Calvert received an illegal no-bid contract for sale of 4 acres of public land in California.

21.) Tom DeLay - Former Rep. DeLay resigned from Congress after being admonished by the ethics four times, being indicted for money laundering in Texas, and revelations showing numerous controversial ties to Jack Abramoff.

22.) John Doolittle - In April 2007, the FBI raided Rep. Doolittle's home in its investigation into ties between Doolittle and Jack Abramoff.

23.) Tom Feeney - The U.S. House said that Rep. Feeney violated House rules by accepting a trip to Scotland. Feeney was required to pay the cost of the trip to the Treasury. He was later questioned by the FBI in the investigation into lobbying activities of Jack Abramoff.

24.) Mark Foley - Former Rep. Foley resigned in September 2006 after the FBI and House Ethics Committee opened investigations into allegations that he sent suggestive emails and instant messages to teenaged current and former House pages.

25.) Katherine Harris - Former Rep. Harris accepted $32,000 in illegal contributions from MZM Inc.'s President Mitchell Wade. She then requested tens of millions in earmarks that would benefit Wade. Wade later pleaded guilty to making illegal campaign contributions, in addition to conspiracy, corruption and election fraud. Harris maintained that she did not know the contributions were illegal and lost her race for Senate in 2006.

26.) Patrick McHenry - A campaign worker for Rep. McHenry has been indicted for voter fraud in North Carolina.

27.) Gary Miller - The FBI is investgating land deals in which Rep. Miller made an estimated $10 million.

28.) Bob Ney - Former Rep. Ney was sentenced to 30 months in prison for corruption after pleading guilty to conspiracy and filing false financial disclosures.

29.) Rick Renzi -In April 2007, the FBI raided an insurance company tied to Rep. Renzi. As a result of the raid, Renzi resigned from the House Intelligence Committee.

30.) Don Sherwood - In September 2004, Washington, D.C. police responded to a 911 call placed by Cynthia Ore, 29, who said she had locked herself in the bathroom of Rep. Sherwood's apartment after he began choking her while giving her a back rub. Ms. Ore later filed a lawsuit alleging Rep. Sherwood "repeatedly and violently physically assaulted and abused" her during a five-year affair that ended in September 2004.

31.) Don Young - Federal officials are investigating a number of allegations against Young, including his ties to Veco, an Alaska company whos CEO pleaded guilty to bribery, as well as contributions connected to a Florida highway and a transportation measure benefiting a Wisconsin trucking company.

32.) Curt Weldon - In September 2006, the FBI raided the homes of Rep. Curt Weldon's daughter and one of his closest political supporters as part of an investigation into whether the veteran Republican congressman used his influence to benefit himself and his daughter's lobbying firm, according to sources familiar with the investigation.

BUSH ADMINISTRATION

33.) Claude Allen - "Allen, who had been Bush's domestic policy adviser, pleaded guilty to theft in making phony returns at discount department stores while working at the White House. He was sentenced to two years of supervised probation and fined $500."

34.) Robert E. Coughlin II - Coughlin, resigned as deputy chief of staff in the Criminal Division of the Justice Department after "a federal task force investigating the activities of disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff," began probing whether Coughlin traded favors with an Abramoff colleague.

35.) Lurita Doan - Doan, head of the General Services Administration, attended a luncheon at the agency earlier this year with other top GSA political appointees at which Scott Jennings, a top Rove aide, gave a PowerPoint demonstration on how to help Republican candidates in 2008. A congressional committee is investigating whether the remarks violated a federal law that restricts executive-branch employees from using their positions for political purposes."

36.) Brian Doyle - Brian Doyle "pleaded no contest to sending sexually explicit Internet messages to someone he thought was a 14-year-old girl. Doyle was sentenced earlier this month to five years in prison."

37.) Frank Figueroa - "Figueroa, the former head of the Tampa office of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, pleaded no contest to charges of exposure of sexual organs and disorderly conduct. He was accused of exposing himself in front of a teenage girl at an Orlando mall."

38.) Alberto Gonzales - Gonzales, who resigned as Attorney General, is under investigation by the Justice Department inspector general over whether he "gave false or misleading testimony to Congress, including whether he lied under oath about warrantless surveillance and the firings of nine U.S. attorneys."

39.) Steven Griles - Pleaded guilty to lying to a Senate committee in a hearing into the Abramoff scandal.

40.) Eric Keroack - Keroack, Bush's choice to oversee the federal family planning program, resigned from the post suddenly last month after the Massachusetts Medicaid office launched an investigation into his private practice.

41.) Donald W. Keyser - Keyser was sentenced to a year in prison for "mishandling classified documents and concealing his relationship with a female intelligence officer from Taiwan." Keyser "had been the second-ranking official in the State Department's Bureau of East Asian and Pacific Affairs before retiring in 2004.

42.) Scooter Libby - Convicted of obstruction of justice and perjury in connection with the CIA leak investigation.

43.) Julie MacDonald - MacDonald, a deputy assistant secretary at the Interior Department resigned "about a week before a House committee was set to hold hearings on political interference with biologists," and "a month after the department's inspector general issued a stinging report that said she violated federal rules by giving industry lobbyists internal agency documents and rode roughshod over agency scientists."

44.) Susan Ralston - A top aide to White House strategist Karl Rove "resigned after disclosures that she accepted gifts and passed information to now-convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

45.) David Safavian - Safavian, the former chief of staff for the General Services Administration, was sentenced to 18 months in prison on "obstruction and concealment charges for lying to investigators about his relationship with [Jack] Abramoff."

46.) Robert T. Schofield - Schofield "pleaded guilty to accepting at least $600,000 in bribes to provide fraudulent citizenship documents to hundreds of Asian immigrants."

47.) Tom Scully - Scully "was the front man for the Medicare and Medicaid programs through December 2003," before he resigned from CMS after allegedly withholding data from congress on the cost of the new Medicare law. Federal investigators said Scully should repay seven months of his salary for the violation.

48.) Theresa Shaw - Shaw stepped down amid "growing criticism that the agency has been lax in overseeing the government's $68 billion student-loan program." "The department's inspector general, John Higgens, is looking into possible conflicts of interest involving department employees and lenders. The inquiry follows an investigation by New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo that has unearthed widespread payments by lenders to schools and aid officials responsible for referring students to lenders.

49.) Roger Stillwell - "Stillwell, a former Interior Department official, was sentenced to two years on probation in January after pleading guilty to a misdemeanor charge for not reporting hundreds of dollars worth of sports and concert tickets he received from Abramoff."

50.) Randall Tobias - Tobias resigned after a madam facing federal prostitution charges named Tobias as a client of an escort business that specialized in "sexual fantasy."

51.) Mark Dennis Zachares - Zachares pleaded guilty "to conspiracy to defraud the public by steering potential clients and inside government information to disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff in return for cash, gifts and the promise of a high-paying job on K Street." Zachares "admitted to prosecutors that he accepted more than $30,000 in tickets to 40 sporting events, a luxury golf trip to Scotland and $10,000 in cash from Abramoff and his lobbying team. He acknowledged providing them with information about the reorganization of the Homeland Security Department, federal disaster and highway aid, and maritime issues."

Love this program even in spite of the constant and often horrendous technical difficulties. Just wish it was on every day.
BTW, I love the library setting, Marc looks like a hip professor.

POST THE LINK SPAMMER!

26.) Patrick McHenry - A campaign worker for Rep. McHenry has been indicted for voter fraud in North Carolina.

From JIK'S post

I hate that little closeted smarmy weasel, McHenry!

a better term would be MAYAN. you moron!

or NATIVE.

jeeeez.think about things and people as if they might be REAL, ya calf-shaving caterpiller-mustached GOOB!

Seder and Maron is good to listen to but...
Sheesh!
I'm spoiled. I like to turn on the radio or TV and rely on it working. I hate having to run back to my PC and refreshing, over and over. As good as it is to listen to you fellas, I've had it. I don't even want to try anymore. Let me know when you've got your act together.

:)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Hey Anonymous on Tue, 11/20/2007...

We are not accepting republican redefinition of "anything that has more WURDS than my haid wants to see" as "spam".

Try again, smegmatron.

will sign thanks---thats what i get.

no problem seeing Seder And Maron.

Not a single problem. It runs PERFECT!!!

And Maron is starting to look like Nickolaus Tesla.

he said in the cookie hearing that 110th congress is a do nothing congress, and over investing for no reason!!

It\'s Spam if you don\'t post the link!

on U.S. policy towards Iran (video)

Self-Inflicted
Hmmm. This could get very sticky for the Mittster. There's been some weird circumstantial evidence suggesting that the candidate with the most connections to the firm behind those anti-Mitt, anti-Mormon push-polls was none other than Mitt himself. Now the campaign is furiously denying that he was push polling himself.

--Josh Marshall

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/politics/2008/view.bg?article...

a proxy or something like that?

What he's doing is the same thing as always, WITHOUT the self-awareness needed to be self-effacing.

Seinfeld is very busy pretending he's NOT an TOTAL ASSHOLE.

Which of course he is.

Sort of like a Don Rickles without Rickles actual warmth, insight, or talent.

links to something I was sent in e-mail???

riiiight.

get some coffee, wake up, then decide NOT to post stupid shit.

McCain: I'll End Signing Statements
By Eric Kleefeld - November 20, 2007, 9:07AM
At a New Hampshire campaign event yesterday, John McCain said that as president he would end the practice of issuing signing statements — a tactic used often by President Bush to declare certain aspects of laws unconstitutional and that he does not have to follow them, even as he signs them into law.

"It is wrong, and it should not be done," McCain said, when asked whether signing statements are themselves constitutional. This would seem to be avoiding the actual question, though, of whether Bush has routinely violated the Constitution. One of the signing statements has particularly stung McCain, too — it had to do with the McCain Amendment, which banned torture.

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/11/mccain_ill_end_signing_statements....

Sienfeld's bullshit has nothing to do with being Jewish, fer fucksakes! Quite the contrary, the REASON we (SAM, MARC, and ME) hate Siendfeld is because he's trying very hard to be HALF jewish - he snipes, but accepts no culpability. He stands aloof from his subject matter as if his shit didn't stink, but he's an expert on the stench of others. NOT funny.

We're SICK of being told by the media that we're low, venal, and petty - the elements of character (or lack thereof) to which he speaks.

WHEEEE!

Report: Bruning To Withdraw From Nebraska Senate Race
By James Lambert - November 20, 2007, 11:05AM
An "informed source" is telling the Lincoln Journal Star that state Attorney General Jon Bruning is planning to withdraw from the Nebraska Republican Senate primary sometime next week. If true, Bruning's exit would spare the GOP from a potentially divisive primary and effectively cede the nomination to former Governor Mike Johanns, who looks strong for the general election.

However, Bruning's campaign manager, Jordan McGrain, is dismissing the reports as “gossip and speculation.”

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/11/report_bruning_to_withdraw_from_ne...

in Pakistan, Burma, Afghanistan and Iraq, apparently it\'s not enough bloodshed for Vice President Dick Cheney.

Last month in a caravan of 15 sport utility vehicles and an ambulance -- no jokes, please -- Cheney made his way to Clove Valley Rod & Gun Club, about 70 miles north of New York City, near Poughkeepsie, for a day of controlled bloodletting.

Cheney landed at Stewart Air Force Base and took off the following day for the upscale gun club at a cost of $32,000 for local law enforcement officials who guarded his hotel, protected his motorcade and diverted school buses.

Unlike Cheney\'s 2003 trip to Rolling Rock Club in Ligonier Township, Pa., in which he killed 70 pheasants and an undisclosed number of ducks (his hunting party killed 417 pheasants), staff at the Clove Valley Rod & Gun Club remained tight-lipped about the take.

An employee who answered the phone would not disclose which species was being shot -- ads say pheasants, ducks and Hungarian partridges -- and kept repeating \"I don\'t know anything about it\" before hanging up. Like Cheney\'s last visit to Clove Valley in 2001, the 4,000-acre club, which costs $150,000 a year to join, was a fortress with Blackwater-style snipers \"protecting\" the vice president\'s right to shoot tame birds.

But a New York Daily News photographer did snap a picture of a small Confederate flag hanging inside a garage on the hunt club property, which prompted civil rights leader Rev. Al Sharpton to demand that Cheney \"leave immediately, denounce the club and apologize for going to a club that represents lynching, hate and murder to black people.\"

Cheney spokeswoman Megan Mitchell said neither Cheney nor anyone on his staff saw such a flag at the hunt club. (Maybe the flag was on the women\'s side of Clove Valley; only men are allowed in the clubhouse.)

Of course the nation is still amused about Cheney\'s 2006 hunting mishap in which he shot 78-year-old attorney Harry Whittington in the face in Texas instead of a quail -- and everyone from Letterman to President Bush jokes about it.

But canned hunting isn\'t funny.

Birds raised for canned hunts at gun clubs and in state \"recreational\" areas are grown in packed pens -- think factory farmed chickens -- and fitted with goggles so they won\'t peck each other to death from the crowding.

When released for put and take hunters like Cheney, pen raised birds can barely walk or fly -- or see, thanks to the goggles. They don\'t know how to forage or hide in the wild and sometimes have to be kicked to \"fly\" enough to be shot.

Some hunters say shooting the pellet-ready tame animals, which offer no resistance, is like having sex with a blow-up doll.

But others say hunting itself is like sex with a blow up doll and that the 10 percent decline in hunters seen in the United States since the late \'90s -- from 14 million to about 12.5 million -- coincides exactly with the debut of impotence drugs like Viagra.

Still for the veep to pursue his addiction to the \"programmed massacre of scores of tame, pen-raised birds\" despite all the \"negative publicity it has generated for him\" suggests a deep psychological disorder, writes Gerald Schiller in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

Especially since criminologists have long recognized that premeditated, sadistic treatment of animals is a strong predictor of criminal and homicidal violence.

Sociopaths Jeffrey Dahmer and Richard Speck were both big on animal cruelty. And they weren\'t running foreign policy.

http://www.alternet.org/story/67663/

Jerry Seinfeld is the Top Spokesmodel for The Revolution Of Lowered Expectations

wow you are kicking ass this morning!!! am scared of you!

like the mundane...

Don't like Seinfeld because he seems to be/do consumer rather than human/humane humor.
American Psycho stand-up.

FOX News uses sex segments to divert outrage from the real obscenity, the war
By ChrisH from the News Hounds

Bill O\'Reilly is sort of FOX\'s preacher, or the father figure who scolds and punishes the wayward, appealing to the viewers who yearn for the \"Father Knows Best\" days of yore when minorities knew their place, women stayed home in servitude, kids were seen and not heard, and a man\'s home was his castle. Yes, those were the days - if you weren\'t a minority, a woman, or a kid. Hence O\'Reilly\'s popularity among older white males who blame their lost stature on teevee even as they\'re glued to it.

See what they\'re getting with their \"news\" at on FOX Attacks.

O\'Reilly has a habit of lecturing about the decline of moral values, although he phrases it in the context of his book \"Culture Warrior\" and targets the \"secular progressive\" faction of society, who are allegedly out to abolish \"traditional values.\" He routinely blasts Hollywood, television, the Internet, and the music industry for producing and selling media he considers harmful to the nation\'s moral fabric, scrupulously avoiding his owner\'s part in all these productions. (FOX Television retains high honors year after year for unsuitable programming, according to Brent Bozell\'s Family Television Council.)

He even asserted in \"The State of the Union According to the Folks\" that \" Sixty-three percent believe the moral and ethical climate in America is declining. And it is. The Internet and an irresponsible media have hit traditional values hard.\"

Like the O\'Reilly Factor?

O\'Reilly has recently addressed such important topics as PETA using nude female images in ads promoting a healthy vegetarian diet, \"Girls Gone Wild\" participants suing the producer after the fact, and dating websites that only allow \"hot\" people to sign up - all so he could show related videos of scantily clad young women to the dirty old men who watch. Under the guise of reporting on Internet porn sites who publish pictures of the youngest girls allowed (18), the moral decadence exhibited at beaches during Spring break, and American Idol stars who take it all off for magazines, O\'Reilly played videos and showed screenshots in the interest of letting his audience see what he\'s talking about, raising their, um, outrage.

I don\'t recall seeing any soft porn on my console TV growing up when my parents watched the Huntley-Brinkley report or later during the MacNeil-Lehrer Hour.

you sound a lot like Dick Cheney.

Scared of me?

heh. right. no doubt.

sorta like being afraid of Lego Star Wars.

REAL modern comedy should involve Henry Rollins, Bruce McCullough, bike pumps, and poultry.

Hey, stealing from Maron is classy.

Imagine how poor Carlos Mencia must feel, having to steal from JOE ROGAN!!!

damn, that's pure comedic dumpster diving.

JIK: REAL modern comedy should involve Henry Rollins, Bruce McCullough, bike pumps, and [rubber] poultry.

I got distracted and missed most of this

Morning everyone!

Maron's cam is streaming better than ever...it's not herky or jerky like usual

Rubber chickens!
Bush presented rubber turkeys in Iraq, not so good.
All rubber poultry is not equal.

Best show ever. Both content and production was great. I think the show is ready for prime time!

I just saw that movie last night and Janeane was really good in it. It was bizarre seeing her play a mom, though there weren't a lot of scenes with her actually parenting. She was great!

Stewart is the anti-Seinfeld. Seinfeld pretends he's invulnerable, and never breaks from it.

Stewart starts with the premise of cool and detached observations as SCHTICK on the Daily Show, and it works really well. He's learning exactly when to break the pose.

His standup always reeked.

Bob Saget, on the other hand, is ONLY ever funny in stand-up. Give him a sitcom (full house) and you wanna kill the guy. Make him the host of a clip show (AFHV) the man has to die. Put him on a stage in front of people, and he shines. Some people are just like that.

Cranks, I don't think Rollins will work with rubber poultry unless it's organic.

christ, whatta nut

It's all about integrity. That's what Sam and Marc embody. That's why I love them both so much.

"All rubber poultry is not equal."

We have portable sandblasting gear in the workshop, so that phrase is going to have to adorn a local federal building.

Thank you VERY much!

Andy Kaufman.

Also possibly Winters, but only because he let his tertiary ego diffusion enter his act.

"Memes be us" and it scares me.

i'd rather do laundry

Sam, face it, it's the women in your life who define you.

myspace

I tell people "Maron's that guy who isn't Richard Lewis".

now i get what i don't still get

Cook is all about Cook, and nothing but. His MySpace self-promotion basically makes him a dingleberry hanging from Citizen Murdock's tattered shitchute.

what's the game? And is it too late to play?

I love games...

Dane Cook is a thousand comics rehashed. Refried comedy packaged for frat boys and women who think Dane Cook is hot. He's the anti-Sarah Silverman.

Preparation Ha Ha Ha

Hi. Start with http://tinyscreams.blogspot.com/

We're working on the details of a shen-within-a-shen.

What area do you live in?

It's difficult to get a reading on Edwards from the polls, because working people, union folks, etc. don't have time for pollsters.

sheesh that makes me old,

nice box o' badges

excellent show

60 Minutes: Boy charged with war crimes at age 15 faces life sentence in US military trial
Mike Aivaz and Muriel Kane
Published: Tuesday November 20, 2007

Omar Khadr is a young Canadian citizen currently imprisoned at Guantanamo and facing a military trial for war crimes he allegedly committed in Afghanistan at the age of 15.

In July 2002, US special forces in eastern Afghanistan got a tip that al Qaeda forces were holed up nearby. After hours of fighting, the soldiers entered the bombed-out compound but were met by a grenade thrown over the wall that killed one man. They then found Omar Khadr lying in the rubble, badly hurt and begging them -- in perfect English -- to kill him.

The United States has charged Omar with murder, on the grounds that there was no one else left alive in the compound who could have thrown the grenade, and he now faces a possible sentence of life in prison. The only concession made for his youth was not to ask for the death penalty.

Omar has been held at Guantanamo Bay for the last five years, much of that time in a windowless maximum security cell. Amnesty International has claimed that he was severely tortured and is suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, and also that the Canadian government, rather than helping him, may have been complicit in his mistreatment.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/60_Minutes_The_Youngest_Terrorist_1119.htm...

I have my own views on the war itself but the most pressing issue irregardless of the mission should be the devastation ripping through our military and their families. Please raise your hand if you think our Army can sustain fifteen month tours until "victory"? Now raise your hand if you feel that the rest of the country has asked themselves this question? My family has survived three tours. Twelve months being the longest so far. I approached each one knowing it would be hard but knowing that it was something we could do. I find myself for the first time scared to death of the prospect of a fifteen month tour. I don't think it is something my family can survive. I carry this dread with me when I read the paper or read the political blogs and my fear sometimes erupts in anger. One in particular featured a posting asking readers to support the failed legislation giving adequate dwell time for soldiers between multiple tours. This retired captain wrote about our soldiers, their broken families and how this bill would help. The blog quickly became a discussion about Republicans and Democrats, who is evil blah blah. Don't get me wrong I have my team and I am a loyal player but I really don't care who and how they stop the policies destroying our military. It made me realize that unless you have the fear that I have rumbling in the pit of your stomach then the impact of this war on real people just plain does not exist. I pray that our fellow Americans realize that our military is at its breaking point before the reality is forced upon them in the form of a draft. I dont think that is what is best for our country or our military.

VetVoiceBlog

Excellent dialog Sam and Marc.

Cool buttons...

One election at a time...

It's really coming along. Almost professional-looking.

Carl Wolfson's Button Collection:

http://www.620kpoj.com/pages/poj_page.html

GOP front-runners turn down opportunity to blog for vets
Nick Juliano
Published: Tuesday November 20, 2007

An organization representing veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan launched a new blog Tuesday, which will feature posts from some of the top presidential candidates.

Only one GOP contender -- maverick Ron Paul -- responded to VoteVets.org's invitation to blog while five Democratic candidates answered the organization's call. VoteVets is a technically non-partisan group, but it works closely with mostly Democratic congressional candidates and aims to elect lawmakers who are "critical of the execution of the war in Iraq."

In Tuesday's first candidate post, former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards outlined his plans to bring home tens of thousands of troops stationed in Iraq and provide comprehensive healthcare to veterans.

"When our service men and women sacrifice so much to defend our freedom and secure peace around the world, we have a moral obligation to take care of them and their families," Edwards writes.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/60_Minutes_The_Youngest_Terrorist_1119.htm...

Most glitch-free show yet. Think you're `bout ready for PPV.
Loved the box of buttons. Great sign off too.

Repost from a different source, one that won't stop working.

McClellan implicates Bush, Cheney in Plame lie

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/

On Oct. 10, 2003, White House press secretary Scott McClellan stood before the cameras and proclaimed Karl Rove and Scooter Libby innocent of any involvement in the outing of Valerie Plame. "Those individuals -- I talked -- I spoke with those individuals, as I pointed out, and those individuals assured me they were not involved in this. And that's where it stands."

And that's where it stood, until -- well after George W. Bush was reelected --- it became clear that both Libby and Rove were very much involved in outing Plame. McClellan has since acknowledged, albeit implicitly, that Libby and Rove had lied to him. Now he seems ready to go much further. In "What Happened," a chronicle of his years in the White House to be published this spring, McClellan will apparently implicate George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and former White House Chief of Staff Andy Card in the false exoneration of Libby and Rove.

From an excerpt posted on McClellan's publisher's Web site and discovered by Editor and Publisher:

"The most powerful leader in the world had called upon me to speak on his behalf and help restore credibility he lost amid the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. So I stood at the White house briefing room podium in front of the glare of the klieg lights for the better part of two weeks and publicly exonerated two of the senior-most aides in the White House: Karl Rove and Scooter Libby.

"There was one problem. It was not true.

"I had unknowingly passed along false information. And five of the highest ranking officials in the administration were involved in my doing so: Rove, Libby, the vice president, the president's chief of staff, and the president himself."

Update: We'd like to tell you how Dana Perino responded to questions about McClellan's charge at today's White House press briefing. And we would, if only anyone in the White House press corps had asked her any.
― Tim Grieve

Despite Lacking ‘Specific Information,’ Townsend Claims Al Qaeda May Target 2008 Elections »
The 2008 elections are still a year away, but this morning outgoing Homeland Security Adviser Frances Fragos Townsend told CNN that al Qaeda may target the presidential elections. She said that while there is currently no “specific information,” “we know that Al Qaeda views these periods as being a particularly vulnerable period.” Watch it:

In the past, the administration has never let a lack of evidence stop it from baselessly claiming that terrorists are interested in manipulating U.S. elections. Some White House rhetoric preceding the 2006 midterm elections:

And I interpreted this as that the terrorists are actually involved and want to involve themselves in our electoral process, which must mean they want a change. [Vice President Cheney, 10/17/06]

There’s certainly a stepped up level of violence, and we’re heading into an election. … They are trying to not only kill American troops, but they’re trying to foment sectarian violence. [President Bush, 10/18/06]

[I]t is possible, although we don’t have a clear pathway into the minds of terrorists, it is possible that they are trying to use violence right now as a way of influencing the elections. [Then-White House Press Secretary Tony Snow, 10/19/06]

As 2008 approaches, look out for more claims that voting for progressives would empower the terrorists.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/20/townsend-attack-election/

I am hoping that this blog will give military families a safe place to speak the, until now, unspoken truths and realities about this war, and about what is really happening to our servicemen and women and their families, in a way that those not affected by the war personally will be touched and speak out too. I am so tired of people telling me to "thank my son," or who say "war is hell," as they live their life without making personal sacrifices or supporting the military and their families in a tangible ways.

Proud of my soldier, ashamed of my government and my fellow americans who aren't yet tuned in.

VetVoice Welcomes Presidential Candidates

Because today is the "official" launch of VetVoice, we're starting off with a bang--and some special guests. Throughout the morning and afternoon today, we're going to have hourly posts from the presidential candidates, addressing what they would do on military and veterans' issues as President of the United States.

Dodd, Paul, & Edwards so far have posted...

51 EXEMPLARY REPUBLICANS
Submitted by ICEKNIFE on Tue, 11/20/2007 - 11:26am.
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great! some good ammo for Thanksgiving dinner with repug family members - I'm bringing this list with me hahahahaha
that'll shut up the staunch righties hehehehe

Thank you Iceknife!

Surprise, surprise!

At White House behest, NYT sat on scoop

When the New York Times published a front page story Sunday about the United States’ and Pakistan’s joint clandestine efforts to protect nuclear weapons, the newspaper offered a glimpse into a “highly classified program” the Bush administration long objected to seeing in print.

That is, apparently, until now.

In the article’s 11th paragraph, the Times disclosed that publication was delayed “for more than three years,” after the administration argued “that premature disclosure could hurt the effort to secure the weapons.”

So after several years, and previous objection, why did the piece now come off the shelf?

Times executive editor Bill Keller did not respond to several requests for comment about what influenced his decision to now publish the piece.

But David Sanger, the Times Chief Washington Correspondent, who co-authored the piece, told Politico that since 2004, Pakistani authorities have made statements “about elements of the program.”

Indeed, the Times disclosed in its Nov. 18 story that “late last year” the head of Pakistan’s nuclear safety effort “acknowledged receiving ‘international’ help.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1107/6989.html

I'm in Oz. Call me Dorothy! LOL - only my Toto is a wee bit larger, reddish, and likes to try and knock people down so she can drown them in doggy kisses.

The closing shot of this morning's videocast?

It was great.

I had the strangest dream
Submitted by ICEKNIFE on Tue, 11/20/2007 - 5:22am.
George Bush died, and was greeted on the other side by thousands of children. Most were blown up, shot, and otherwise mangled horribly, but one in particular caught his eye as he gaped in abject horror. She was caucasian, tiny, and so very thin... but somehow he knew it was her, his little sister Robin, who died of leukemia at age three.

He reached out to her, cried out to her, "forgive me..." his despair was palpable and hung in the air between them, an invisible yet impenetrable wall seperating his darkness from her light.

She looked at him sadly, and whispered "I forgive you, George - but it's not enough. It can't help you now." The entire group was standing stock still - yet somehow, they seemed to drift up and away from him.

"Robin, wait, don't leave me. I... I... I'm afraid! Afraid of the dark!" George's terror made him a genuine object of pity. "You can't go where we're going, George. You took the darkness into you long ago. I'm sorry, but you know you were supposed to be MY big brother, not Orwell's. Goodbye George" her words faded while sight of the children faded for him as well.

He thought he could master the fear that clawed at his soul, was sure of it, until.... he felt the claws, talons, tentacles, and other appendages made of shadow reaching for him, reaching into him, draging him down. He screamed, but made no sound. He's still screaming, and will now scream silently for all eternity.

I woke up feeling, well, *cleaner* somehow, as if made whole by the comforting certainty that time clears the way of all detritus, all lies, all waste, and remakes the world anew.

Not if your on Wireless..
When the (small)Cam freezes up and,I try and refresh,I get kicked off
my wireless..Have to reboot wireless router..Frigging happens almost ever show..Sucks..
What I got to see of the show was great as usual! :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

shelly in Portland. Still couldn't figure out the email, maybe don't use Yahoo. Marc is the Harpo to Seinfield's Groucho and I loved the pins, unfortunately saw most in real time and wore the Vietnam and Nixon ones. Lot of good they did....If only they had prosecuted Nixon and Ford instead let him fly out with peace fingers awaving things would not have got out of control with power. The national nightmare had only just begun-sorry Mr. Ford. Should have just stayed on the links where he was credible.

other people who\'re actual people!
Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 11/20/2007 - 11:52am.
you sound a lot like Dick Cheney.

And I am thinking he's one of the banned anons that has found a way to post here again.

The giveaway? The backslash.

(Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 11/20/2007 - 11:45am.
in Pakistan, Burma, Afghanistan and Iraq, apparently it\'s not enough bloodshed for Vice President Dick Cheney.)

(other people who\'re actual people!
Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 11/20/2007 - 11:52am.)

I posted it on my blog..
Hope ya don't mind..
Like reading you..
Found your MySpace blog..Cool.
I left you my blog link..But,you had already bailed..

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

NP, anon. If you want real fun ammo, look up "republican perverts". That's a REALLY long list.

Annette, are you in or near a city? If so, which?

Dada, I'm still researching. Get back to you when I finish the prelim. It's all about targeting media outlet headquarters for haunting.

Come 2009

Our fine, ethical, consistent President Bush has threatened to veto any appropriation bill for Iraq that contains any language ordering troops to withdraw.

In the past, when confronted with parts of a law that he didn't like, he issued a so-called signing statement and ignored them. To not follow this procedure is a blatant admission that such "signing statements" are worthless. January 2009 cannot come soon enough!

John G. Kepros
Salt Lake City

What goes around, comes around. :-)

your dream was even better 2nd time around. was it just urban legend or did the bushes really go golfing the day of the funeral?

just caught up.

Mittsturbation

Methinks the candidate doth protest too much

I agree, but I did not capture it and now it's too late - hope somebody did

'Holy cow,' exclaims MSNBC host, Rove thinks Bush could sink GOP
Mike Aivaz and Jason Rhyne
Published: Tuesday November 20, 2007

Former chief Bush political strategist Karl Rove is telling GOP Oval Office seekers in 2008 to keep a safe distance from the man he helped to twice elect, according to MSNBC host Dan Abrams' interpretation of a recent opinion column penned by Rove.

"It sounds to me like Karl Rove is giving the Republican candidates advice that says 'get away from my guy,'" Abrams said of Rove's Saturday column in Newsweek, in which the the former adviser warned that President Bush's lagging poll numbers would do no favors for GOP presidential hopefuls in 2008. "Am I the only one who's reading Karl Rove and saying 'holy cow?'" the host asked later.

In the column, entitled "How to Beat Hillary (Next) November," Rove laid out a loose general election strategy to combat frontrunning Democratic presidential contender Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY).

"So show them who you are in a way that gives the American people hope, optimism and insight," he wrote to would-be Republican nominees. "That's the best antidote to the low approval rates of the Republican president Those numbers will not help the GOP candidate, just as the even lower approval ratings of the Congress will not help the Democratic standard-bearer."

Abrams said that the advice was a telling indicator about the state of the Republican Party.

"When you've got Karl Rove advising...the Republican candidates to effectively distance themselves from President Bush," remarked the host, "I think that tells you how much trouble President Bush, and possibly the Republicans, are in."

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