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Frontline Looks at Extraordinary Rendition
By Spencer Ackerman - November 6, 2007, 11:02AM

For sheer audacity, nothing beats the sight of a spokesman for the Egyptian interior ministry describing someone else's experience of being kidnapped, blindfolded, taken to a far-away prison and tortured this way: "Some people love to attract the limelight to give themselves more importance than necessary." That display of official cynicism is just one of the treats Frontline has in store for tonight's exploration of the anti-terrorist kidnapping practice known as extraordinary rendition.

The rendition subject the Egyptian interior spokesman described is Abu Omar, a hardline Egyptian-born cleric who was kidnapped by the Italians in coordination with the CIA in 2003 before being rendered to Egypt and tortured. Abu Omar's rendition was superficially a success -- the snatch worked; and he was indeed tortured -- but Italian prosecutors were able to learn the identities of the CIA operatives behind the rendition and have put them on trial in absentia.

Interestingly, Abu Omar gives a kind of non-denial denial when asked by Frontline if he's a terrorist, which crystallizes the issue at its most complex: is it acceptable to torture people who intend to carry out atrocities?

Frontline also profiles another rendition victim -- Bisher al-Rawi, a British national picked up in Gambia in 2002 after the CIA believed he had ties to al-Qaeda -- but the program also highlights how U.S. allies are taking their cues from the U.S.'s embrace of rendition as a sound counterterrorism practice. In December, following the Ethiopian invasion of Somalia, the Kenyan authorities rounded up a number of Somalis at their shared border and flew them to Ethiopia for harsh treatment. Among them was the wife of an al-Qaeda operative named Fazul Abdullah, who helped pull off the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania that murdered over 200 people. The Ethiopian prime minister unapologetically told Frontline, "You find the wife, you don't find the husband, and the wife is fleeing the battlefield, you do not know whether the wife is just a wife or a comrade and a colleague in the art of terrorism."

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004647.php

Strange.
It's been there in the "Open Mics" for a while.
Still an "Open Mic," too.
Not a complaint, just chit chat.

luv the look

yay!

New thread just a SEDER open mic!

:-)

chilly in LA mode

Haircut confidence...

WTG!

Hellooooooo Sammer and Marc!

:D

WASHINGTON (AP) - House and Senate negotiators agreed Tuesday on a $460 billion Pentagon bill that bankrolls pricey weapons systems and bomb-resistant vehicles for troops, but has little for Iraq and Afghanistan.

Democrats said they wouldn't leave troops in the lurch, but were reluctant to say when Congress might consider President Bush's $196 billion request to pay expressly for combat operations.

Republicans supported the spending measure, but said the lack of war money would cause a tremendous strain on the military. To keep the wars afloat, the Pentagon would have to transfer money from less urgent accounts, such as personnel and training programs....

and i'm not doing another goddamn thing for the next 90 minutes.

hungry on my sam time---gotta fix her something! jeez

hope they finally let us call in soon.

Than stay the fuck home. DONT WORK TODAY. Mabye you could plan a way to get to Seattle on Friday to shut down more Media cosolidation.
Can you feel the pace start to quicken? This is going to be a fucking GNARLY YEAR my friends.

I'm not getting anything.

talks somehow are not appropriate

with his finger up his ass

http://www.smackchannel.com/sidebyside_viewer_samseder_secure.swf

wonder what it came back with?

whilst listening at work. :)

-!-

what is this writers guild all about?

For TV writers.

Maron the puppet-master!

I think it's about writers wanting some of the internet pie.

Can't hear Marc at all, image is frozen, but can see/hear Sam.

show was not really jewish enough? so what's this maron screed about the perverted socially retard jewish guy in the background

whatever it was he said it was smooth

this is a bit freaky...one-sided conversation.

is just killing me today.

GGGGWWWWWAAAAAHHHH that was funny i walked into it!

thanks for explaining the guild to me!

maron---

Lieberman West !!

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

After today, I can understand why Maron is seperated from his wife.

I think he's great, but he's uncooth! He's like a kid that likes to belch to get noticed.

then straithened his hair and i saw hair flying around all over my sandwich - no suprise there why these guys don't go mainstream

mirror?

I don't care if he yells. At least it brings some energy into the conversation. He makes me laugh! His hair is hilarious, too!

Does anyone know what the IM ID is for the show? I assume it's on AOL?

coming in pretty good up here.

all maron has to do is move the mike back.

it's a superb little mike.

you are killing me man....what did you want me to do? suck it up?

samsedershow

Try using one Internet Explorer for viewing only(it's a memory issue) here: http://www.smackchannel.com/sidebyside_viewer_samseder_secure.swf

Then Blog in firefox. works for me everytime.

P.S. my O S is XP

leave him alone...i will marry him..teeheeheehee leave him, he is so natural! HA too funny man, am glad i tuned in!

Maron appearing at the PunchLine in San Francisco this Thursday, Friday, and Saturday.

Beebs - I'm back at work today. :-( No mo' sickpuppy fo' me. *sigh*

smcgee - thanks! I love my pussy. The dog is plotting her death, however. LOL They're great chums. Lived in *hic*harmony for 4 years now. That track around my couch means nothing. :-)

Thanks!

Sheriff Joe as a model for domesticating the policies

think it has more to do with our individual computer loads whether we can hear and see smoothly.

if yer stream to AARgh is still up in a window it sucks a tremendous amount of bandwidth even when it's turned off.

try getting rid of that window and the SamCam stream will come in much better.

speaking. I really don't notice that on his Sunday show. Is he more low key because Maron has a higher energy level? Or is it just more noticeable when he is conversing with Maron?

I'm getting Naomi Klein confused with Naomi Wolf

glad to help

smart one.

*here*

Marc's mic still overmodulates. Sheeesh!

Did Marc try his volume control & "apply" it?

To any of our Mac geeks: Can't one control the volume on those damn boxes?

Right on Maron!

exactly...

Torture

It really is depressing that the Democrats are incapable of leading on issues even when the polls tell them it's ok.

Every time Mr. 24% tell them they "must do something" they should get on the teevee and laugh and laugh and laugh at the incompetent manchild who the country hates.

-Atrios 11:28

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/06/waterboard.poll/?iref=mpstoryview

good riffing.

he's seeing through the veil...

Just What Are They Paid For

Dean Baker:

The Financial Times reports that several market analysts now think that the fallout from bad mortgage debt will continue for some time and be much worse than they had expected. Given that these people are paid very high salaries to understand these markets, it would be worth asking why they apparently got this one so badly wrong. It would also be a very good story to report on the extent to which these high priced experts suffer any professional consequences as a result of such a costly mistake.

-Atrios 10:41

http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/beat_the_press_archive?month=11&year=...

but Wolf went to Yale.
Klein was educated in Canada.
;)

to me.

glad to see em catching on to the fine points.

delighted with the conversation.

about time too!

the federal reserve scam...

?

how many conspiricies have we busted just in the last 4 years?

200?

just audio would be a sweet option for the dial uppers.

http://www.sonomacountyfreepress.com/bohos/bohofact.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove

http://www.infowars.com/bg1.html

is either further off the backbone, busier or something

if you can hide the truth behind labeling the facts as "conspiracy theories" you win...

just utter control of corporate media.

taking it back is the main struggle we face.

and that's why what Sam and Marc are trying is important.

broohaha.... Are there really people who have to have this explained to them? Aren't shock doctrine warnings all over civics lessons throughout time? Who is waking up realizing that cabal's really do exist?

Baghdad Year Zero was a revelation. Hopefully, her work will emerge further from the shadows.

ours too.

if yer running windoze try a reboot before the show.

gives you the most resources in terms of memory and processor function.

TaiChi

just do it.

works superbly.

testicle wrestling accusations from the blog?

nah, we're too polite ain't we?

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/devlin/17027

Any of you ever have kids before? If not, imagine how you'd have liked this in the 6th grade...

show crashes on Umma Thurman!

WHAT?

You mean during Olbermann?

Nah! : )

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0514-05.htm

Torture at Abu Ghraib Followed CIA's Manual
by Alfred W. McCoy

THE PHOTOS from Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison are snapshots not of simple brutality or a breakdown in discipline but of CIA torture techniques that have metastasized over the past 50 years like an undetected cancer inside the US intelligence community. From 1950 to 1962, the CIA led secret research into coercion and consciousness that reached a billion dollars at peak. After experiments with hallucinogenic drugs, electric shocks, and sensory deprivation, this CIA research produced a new method of torture that was psychological, not physical -- best described as "no touch" torture.

==

For more than 50 years, the CIA's no-touch methods have become so widely accepted that US interrogators seem unaware that they are, in fact, engaged in systematic torture. But now, through these photographs from Abu Ghraib, we can see the reality of these techniques. We have a chance to join fully with the international community in repudiating a practice that, more than any other, represents a denial of democracy.

despite the bad puns

in the SECOND hour...

See you next week.

Another School Shooting

1 shot outside Miami area School per CNN

Jim Lehrer sticks up for traditional media. In an address at the University of Texas last night, PBS Newshour host Jim Lehrer warned against “spicing up” the news. “You want to be entertained? Go to the circus, please. Do not watch ‘The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer,’” he said. Lehrer added, while increasing numbers of Americans are going online for their news, he’s not worried about the future of traditional media:

“The bloggers are talkers, commentators, not reporters. The talk-show hosts are reactors, commentators, not reporters,” Lehrer said. “The search engines can search but do not report. All of them, every single one of them, have to have the news in order to exist and thrive.”

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/11/06/1106lehre...

$97.10 a barrell.

Maron seems depressed. But then, so am I. So it's a good fit.

I graduated from that high school in 1974 -- Miami Carol City High School. The neighborhood has definitely changed, and not for the better, since those days.

Lehrer let out the clutch on his mouth before he put his mind in gear.

any communication has news in it. for all his "News" connections he still has'nt figured out what's happening.

he's a victim of selective comprehension.

shays speaking hearing on national security with armitage

It's always good to see you guys. Nice work.

See you next week.

maron stays depressed

Says we need focus and a plan.

And a caller to Hartman in the last weeks put it in a nutshell

"We need a Very Simple Comprehensive Terminology."

Kinda says it all doesn't it.

Later, got to get the chainsaws sharpened... ( yard work.)

: )

"I graduated from that high school in 1974 -- Miami Carol City High School."

what happened there?

Got small tubes out here but the show went well, one refresh while just listening to the audio while crawling around the floor cutting out thermal curtains. (see Ed Begley) Realizing that it wasn’t a Maron monologue with log pauses in-between I hit refresh. Little boats

I was responding to a message that was posted saying that CNN is reporting on a school shooting in the Miami area, I don't have any details yet.

and he has a long tooth..never knew that

was a picture of Linda Tripp...

thugs not students. Teacher in the hospital, OK, not life threatening.

by John Bruhns (Philadelphia) · 11/06/2007

It's now official that 2007 has been the deadliest year for US troops since the start of the war.

5 troops killed just in the past day.

I hate to state the obvious but more troops = more targets for those who want to kill us.

The statistics are alarming and disturbing. Especially in regard to the Iraqis.

2.3 million have been displaced because of this illegal war and an average of 56 are killed each day. Two-thirds of those displaced in Iraq are children under the age of 12.

How does the US military plan to help the situation? By conducting another major military operation in Iraq.

Did it ever occur to the idiots who started this war and continue it that military force has proven time and time again to be not only a failure but a contributor to this entire chaotic mess ?? Apparently not.

I'll bet that one of Bush's lackeys like Dana Perino will conduct a press conference sometime today to promote the continued success of the "surge."

I guess they think they can put whipped cream on shit and expect that to taste good too ?? There is no way to sugarcoat this.

I hate being lied to , but when you insult my intelligence it just ads insult to injury -- probably speaking for us all.

The right-wing will tell me that posts like this are bad for morale. That I have my facts wrong. That I'm drinking "kool-aid." That I can't support the troops without supporting their mission. Give me a break.

I wonder how good it is for the morale of US soldiers who will open up the Army Times just to read that after 5+ years of war we are losing more troops then ever in a ravaged war-torn country that they are told they are liberating.

The bottom line: US troop deaths have hit a record high and the Iraqis have no freedom. Only death, destruction, displacement, sectarian civil war, and misery -- courtesy of George W. Bush.

It's a tragic time in American history when the people look at their Commander in Chief as a fraud with no honor.

John Bruhns, Iraq Veteran
aka PHONY SOLDIER

Somethinng Just happened. Out of the corner of my ear I heard him on C-Span.
Time to call that Pelosi? TELL HER to DO IT.............NOW!
www.congress.org

THose motherfuckers work for US!!!

THE GOLDEN WINGNUT AWARD....The Wingnut Contest is over and the votes have now been tallied by the prestigious accounting firm of Pollhost.com. So without further ado, the five winners of the Golden Wingnut Award are:

John Hinderaker: "It must be very strange to be President Bush. A man of extraordinary vision and brilliance approaching to genius...."

Glenn Reynolds: "Maybe we should rise above the temptation to point out that claims of a 'quagmire' were wrong....Nah."

Michelle Malkin: "The Defeatocrats Cheer"

Ann Althouse: "Let's take a closer look at those breasts."

Kim du Toit: "The Pussification of the Western Male"

LINK

Submitted by GBC on Tue, 11/06/2007 - 3:38pm.
...Ann Althouse: "Let's take a closer look at those breasts."...
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I have no knowledge of this reference but I'm pretty sure I agree with it.

&tSpread the fucking word!!!!!

of the House, the Impeachment Resolution of Dick Cheney.

The Justice Department’s Culture of Torture
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/11/hbc-90001606

Bush’s Musharraf Envy
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/11/hbc-90001608

Scott Horton was a guest on To The Point today.
Podcast available later here:
http://www.kcrw.com/news/programs/tp

Cheney Impeachment resolution

There is a motion to table by Steny Hoyer

on VP

'plain a little further to me please?

It is destined to die

Hoyer put for a motion to table, which is a good way to say kille the bill.
They are now voting on tabling the bill.

such as the bill to reinstate the draft; the bill to make girls draftable. Tabled equals death.

that is what i just heard

they did say after all...fuck steny!

it'll sort out eventually.

new waves of people figgering out how to do stuff.

so far voting to kill kucinich resolution

does it look like it will be killed??

Reid To Vote Against Mukasey: Says He Was "Profoundly Disturbed" By Waterboarding Evasions
By Greg Sargent - November 6, 2007, 2:37PM
In a statement sent our way moments ago, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid just came out and opposed Mukasey's confirmation as AG. Key quote:

“I was profoundly disturbed by statements Judge Michael Mukasey made during his confirmation hearings concerning executive power, and about the legality of the use of waterboarding as an interrogation technique. As a result, I cannot in good conscience vote to approve his nomination to be Attorney General of the United States."

Reid's opposition, of course, won't stop Mukasey's confirmation. Reid had earlier refused to declare his opposition to Mukasey, claiming that he didn't want to get out front of the Senate Judiciary Committee, which voted today to send the confirmation to a full Senate vote. Reid is holding a presser as we speak.

Meanwhile, Reid will have another chance ahead to prove his opposition to waterboarding. Congress is considering a bill that would explicitly ban this and other extreme interrogation techniques, and Reid can ensure that this bill comes to the floor for a vote.

More details on that here. Reid's full statement after the jump.

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/11/reid_to_vote_against_mukasey_says_...

too...

The Dems have no backbone, remember!

But I am glad that it at least made it to the floor.

Dems voting to table.

21 Republicans voting nay. Which means they are for the impeachment.

geez you really know how to lift my spirits up.....sniff!!

How would you like to leave work behind the dude you voted to impeach? Would you feel safe? Could you sleep? Put yourself in their shoes and then see if you have the room to scoff.

Sometimes we sit behind our monitors and we forget how other people might feel. It's just a table. It wasn't going to go anywhere anyway.

any longer...

Last night, my friend and I were sitting in the living room and I said to her, "I never want to live in a vegetative state, dependent on some machine and fluids from a bottle. If that ever happens, just pull the plug."

So she got up, unplugged the TV, and threw out my wine.

She's such a bitch.

;-p

Hope he's stepped up the security.

You told her to pull the plug. You said nothing about throwing out fluids. LOL

71 brave Republicans for not killing the impeachment. Hmmmm

whats up?

more republicans are voting to let the motion keep going as time goes on.

repubs

that's amazing

guess they have more than 2 balls compared to demz and i am ashamed to say it!

more republicans now than dems voting to not table the motion. Man those guys hate Dick.

they are fucking steny for sure, and i am loving it!!

just stopped masterbating and started crying! ;D

were all ordered to change their vote to Nay. There are 114 votes to impeach for the Repubs and 69 votes for the dems.

Stands 225 to 186 at this point.

Repubs trying to pull something.

cheney just wet himself.

They are worried that a different VP than Cheney could upset their plans for

a Democratic Pres.being elected in 2008..
All the care about is 2008..
Getting a Demo in the White house!
And,getting re-elected themselves..Period!!

More Reps voting Nay than Demo's..Pretty sad !!

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

first laugh i've had all day

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