Free Market!

I'm sorry I missed the show.
Can someone post the video soon?

I need my Seder and Maron fix.

I was just lurking over at AAR Central and saw your nic there. ;-)

finally...it's lunch time...

that was really good...

Viva Las Vegas, mp3

This was fun. It's the closest thing to trolling I've ever done.

http://www.airamerica.com/lionel/node/234#comment-2703

no accounting for taste is there... :)

of cover songs:

http://infonistacrat.hometownproject.org/

It's all good 24/7: Dead Kenndys, DOA, Anti-Flag, Artic Monkeys, Black Flag.

Deep Thought of The Day

Our very serious policy debate is driven by impotent racist old men.

-Atrios 13:47

Kucinich questions Bush's mental health
44 minutes ago
PHILADELPHIA - Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich questioned President Bush's mental health in light of comments he made about a nuclear Iran precipitating World War III.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071030/ap_po/kucinich_bush;_ylt=Aq3yCIQ8hNa...

Pelosi wants safety agency chief to quit
1 hour, 48 minutes ago
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The battle over lead-tainted toys heated up on Tuesday as the top Democrat in the U.S. House of Representatives called for the head of the Consumer Product Safety Commission to resign and the White House criticized a bill that would strengthen the agency.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071030/pl_nm/productsafety_usa_congress_dc;...

Bush's budget fight with Democrats deepens
Tue Oct 30, 12:28 PM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic congressional leaders pushed on Tuesday to finish bills to pay for military, veterans health care and domestic programs, while possibly injecting more Iraq war funds into the pipeline, as President George W. Bush again threatened to wield his veto pen.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071030/pl_nm/usa_funding_dc;_ylt=Am7jh9qkR_...

Reports of Blackwater immunity deal embarrass Rice
1 hour, 9 minutes ago
WASHINGTON (AFP) - Reports that State Department investigators offered an immunity deal to security guards accused of shooting dead 17 Iraqis dealt an embarrassing blow to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Tuesday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071030/ts_alt_afp/iraqusunrestsecurityblac...

I don't have that...

I do like KZSU though :) for good music..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1AhaH1ozbg

Dennis Kucinich Discusses Iraq War, Health Care.

Bush Rejects Combining Military, Domestic Spending
1 hour, 38 minutes ago
Oct. 30 (Bloomberg) -- President George W. Bush said he would reject any attempt by Congress to force him to accept legislation with increased domestic spending by combining it with funding for military operations and veterans health care.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20071030/pl_bloomberg/aygcnx73ydi8;_yl...

Project to Reinforce Iraq's Largest Dam Mismanaged, Audit Says
Tue Oct 30, 12:11 AM ET
Oct. 30 (Bloomberg) --- A $27 million U.S.-led effort to prevent catastrophic flooding by reinforcing Iraq's largest dam has been mismanaged, according to a new Pentagon audit.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20071030/pl_bloomberg/acbkc6jwjypo;_yl...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGaXfYqbFFc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGaXfYqbFFc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L11U0aZcrPc

US Resisting Ban on Cluster Bombs
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/10/30/4892/

(Yea, Alice the radio thingy. I remember now, because someone just mentioned Dennis Kunich.)

Mukasey Calls Waterboarding ‘Hypothetical,’ Dodges Legal Question Of Whether It Is Torture
In a written response to questions from Senate Democrats today, Attorney General nominee Michael Mukasey refused to explicitly say whether he believed waterboarding to be torture. In the four-page letter, Mukasey called the interrogation technique “over the line” and “repugnant” on “a personal basis,” but added that he would need the “actual facts and circumstances” to strike a “legal opinion”:

Hypotheticals are different from real life and in any legal opinion the actual facts and circumstances are critical.

CNN’s Ed Henry notes that with his “facts and circumstances” hedge, “essentially Michael Mukasey is dodging the question of whether legally waterboarding is torture.” Watch Henry’s report:

Senate Democrats have said that Mukasey’s answer on the question of waterboarding and torture is crucial to their vote on his confirmation. “It’s fair to say my vote would depend on him answering that question,” Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-VT) told reporters last week. Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) called it “the seminal issue.”

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), a judge advocate general in the military, has said that it shouldn’t be difficult for Mukasey to be clear on the issue:

If he does not believe that waterboarding is illegal, then that would really put doubts in my own mind because I don’t think you have to have a lot of knowledge about the law to understand this technique violates” the Geneva Convention and other statutes.

Time reported earlier today that if Mukasey “refuses to declare waterboarding expressly illegal, he looks likely to be rejected by the Judiciary Committee.”

Read Mukasey’s full answers HERE.

UPDATE: In a statement, Leahy said he was “very concerned” that Mukasey was “unable to state unequivocally that waterboarding is illegal”:

Based on an initial review of his response to the letter, I remain very concerned that Judge Mukasey finds himself unable to state unequivocally that waterboarding is illegal and below the standards and values of the United States.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/30/mukasey-dodges-waterboarding-again/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEA3wN9uXEM

Bill O'Reilly's cameras go to Rosie O'Donnell's book signing. Rosie and her cowardly Thugs throw them out instead of answering the question.

Notice how one of her men cover up the camera and says "that's enough" as soon as they asked her about 9/11.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d82WKtGjJBA

Three plead guilty in fake voter scheme

Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 3:35pm.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003982533_acorn30m.html

...The defendants were all temporary employees of ACORN...

*

Wonder if no-no-mouse's point was that these were ACORN temps; you know, an organization for those people.

Or that there was voter fraud in the blue state of WA where the governor won an extremely close race in '06.

Well, the former is inferred & the latter would be conflation since none of those registrations had real people attached to them. So even if the reggies were accepted & booked, no one would have voted under them.

This was done for money, not ideology. And this lefty says throw the friggin' book at 'em, whether done for money or ideology.

Now I wonder if no-no-mouse thinks that the officals in red states who purge the rolls of, & obstruct valid blue voters should be held to the same standard?

Yeah, right.

HAHAHA ..... where was O'Reilly? To scared to go and ask himself.

Love the spin.

Free Democracy

Soooo glad I changed my nic. :-)

Could you recommend other [polital liberal] sites for lurkers like moi? I've seen a few, but haven't delved too deeply into any.

UN votes against US embargo on Cuba
The resolution was passed with 184 votes in favour, four against and one abstention
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/AA4DCAE8-1717-487D-81EE-10F3FB1F3...

SAN DIEGO – The takeoff of an American Airlines flight out of Lindbergh Field was canceled in August because the crew was suspicious of several Middle Eastern passengers, an investigative report said. The crew notified the captain, who canceled the flight.

At the time, the airline said it was a woman traveling with her two small children who raised the alarm.

According to the airline's account of the incident, the woman said the men made her so nervous she asked to be let off the plane, and the ensuing delay pushed the Aug. 28 flight to Chicago past the 11:30 p.m. curfew on takeoffs.

American Airlines spokesman Tim Wagner referred to it as a “customer dispute.”

But a report from the San Diego Harbor Police, which was released this week under the California Public Records Act, said members of the flight crew said they were nervous about a group of the Middle Eastern passengers and did not feel safe.

One flight attendant told investigators the behavior of the group made him nervous and was “making his hair stand on end.”

He said that one of the men went into the bathroom and when he came out he stood next to a woman and stared at her for three to four minutes. That passenger got off the plane.

The flight attendant also said that another man in the group began to stare at him in an “abnormal, unusual and intense” way. When he mentioned that to the other attendants, they each said they felt they were being stared at in the same fashion.

“It was like each of these (Arabic) passengers had their assigned attendant,” Kotsonis said.

Another flight attendant told investigators he had “a gut feeling and discomfort” and “needed to do something” after one of the men put a blanket on his head during the safety demonstration only to take it off and stare angrily at everyone around him.

After the passenger got off the plane, the crew talked among themselves and decided to notify the pilot about their concerns.

-SNIP--

It turned out that the group of seven Iraqi and Iraqi-American men worked for an Alaska-based defense contractor and had been training U.S. Marines at Camp Pendleton. They have hired a lawyer.

Suspicious crew raises alarm and a flight is canceled
Submitted by Kevin © on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 6:54pm.
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Two thoughts, related, came immediately to mind and I suspect that they came immediately to minds other than mine:

1.) It behooves a hijacker to blend in. Not blending in would seem to be a violation of Rule #1 for anyone who wants to evade discovery.

2.) Acting in a suspicious manner whilst on an airplane (especially for people of the swarthy persuasion) would seem to be the same as begging to be ejected. Not blending in would seem to be a violation of Rule #1 for anyone who wants to travel to his/her destination without incident.

Mosul dam in danger of collapse
The US inspector for Iraq reconstruction on Tuesday said a $27m US project had not improved the Mosul Dam on the Tigris river in northern Iraq, which could buckle under water pressure and let loose a 20-metre wave.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/278B5A68-4C02-4AAC-A864-63800596B...

Clear Channel'd
Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 7:08pm.
It would be great if someone could actually produce a memo telling stations not to play Springsteen. However, to the best of anyone knowledge - this has not actually happened.

I gave up on "regular" radio listening about 10 years ago .. and whilst watching "Shut Up & Sing" last weekend .. was wondering exactly how one would go about setting up an internet or - better yet - pirate radio station.

Counterinsurgency Manuel
http://www.counterpunch.org/
Read and Circulate!

GAO: Reduction In Violence Due To ‘Ethnically Cleansed Neighborhoods’ In Iraq
Looking for signs of progress in Iraq, the Bush administration has been quick to jump on reports of reduced violence in Iraq. The “violence is thankfully coming down,” said White House spokesperson Dana Perino. Violence is “down significantly from last year,” declared President Bush.

In a hearing before the House Appropriations Committee today, Joe Christoff of the Government Accountability Office stated that this recent reduction in violence should be taken with a grain of salt, as it coincides with increased sectarian cleansing and a massive refugee displacement:

I think that’s [ethnic cleansing] an important consideration in even assessing the overall security situation in Iraq. You know, we look at the attack data going down, but it’s not taking into consideration that there might be fewer attacks because you have ethnically cleansed neighborhoods, particularly in the Baghdad area. […]

It’s produced 2.2. million refugees that have left, it’s produced two million internally displaced persons within the countryas well.

Watch it:

Christoff’s conclusions echo that of ret. Gen. James Jones last month, who observed “progress” in a Shi’a-led ethnic cleansing campaign.

Also in attendance at the hearing was Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction (SIGIR) Stuart Bowen. In his quarterly report to Congress released today, Bowen acknowledged the reduction in violence but stated that it has not been accompanied by tangible political reconciliation, a finding that was neglected by the traditional media in its reporting today. In Baghdad, for example, Provincial Reconstruction Team officials note:

Despite reduced violence, officials are pessimistic that lasting reconciliation is occurring. … In Diyala, there is a desire to work toward reconciliation, but it will take years to overcome ill-will between tribes.

Earlier this month, Gen. David Petraeus confidently declared, “There’s a local reconciliation” in Diyala province.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/30/sigir-report-oct07/

How was it folks?
Good I bet.

Ralph Nader sues Democratic Party ..And,how was your day?

WASHINGTON - Consumer advocate and 2004 independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader sued the Democratic Party on Tuesday, contending officials conspired to keep him from taking votes away from nominee John Kerry.

Nader's lawsuit, filed in District of Columbia Superior Court, also named as co-defendants Kerry's campaign, the Service Employees International Union and several so-called 527 organizations such as America Coming Together, which were created to promote voter turnout on behalf of the Democratic ticket.

Con't

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Evo Morales Announces: "No More Bolivian Soldiers to the SOA/WHINSEC!"

We are very excited to share that on October 10th, 2007, President Evo Morales announced that Bolivia will gradually withdraw its military from the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation (WHINSEC), renamed in 2001 the School of the Americas (SOA). Bolivia is now the fifth country - after Costa Rica, Argentina, Uruguay and Venezuela - to formally announce a withdrawal from this brutal military training school.

"We will gradually withdraw until there are no Bolivian officers attending the School of the Americas” said Morales. Questioning the U.S. government foreign policy he noted that “they are teaching high ranking officers to confront their own people, to identify social movements as their enemies.”

This is a great victory for torture survivors, social movement leaders and human rights activists of Bolivia and the Americas. The SOA/WHINSEC has played a significant role in Bolivia’s recent political history, Hugo Banzer Suarez, who ruled Bolivia from 1971-1978 under a brutal military dictatorship attended the school in 1956 and was later inducted into the school’s “hall of fame” in 1988. The SOA has trained tens of thousands of Bolivian military officers in the past fifty years. In October of 2006, two former graduates of the SOA/WHINSEC, Generals Juan Veliz Herrera and Gonzalo Rocabado Mercado were arrested on charges of torture, murder, and violation of the constitution for their responsibility in the death of 67 civilians in El Alto Bolivia during the “Gas Wars” of September-October 2003.

...

http://www.soaw.org/

Poll: Majority of Voters Support Iran Strike

Rick Moran

A new Zogby poll out today shows that 52% of likely voters would support a strike against Iran to prevent them from building nuclear weapons. Another 53% believe it "likely" that such an attack will take place before the next election:

Democrats (63%) are most likely to believe a U.S. military strike against Iran could take place in the relatively near future, but independents (51%) and Republicans (44%) are less likely to agree. Republicans, however, are much more likely to be supportive of a strike (71%), than Democrats (41%) or independents (44%). Younger likely voters are more likely than those who are older to say a strike is likely to happen before the election and women (58%) are more likely than men (48%) to say the same – but there is little difference in support for a U.S. strike against Iran among these groups.

Submitted by Crank Bait on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 7:07pm.

Submitted by Crank Bait on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 7:07pm.
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Two thoughts, related, came immediately to mind and I suspect that they came immediately to minds other than mine:

1.) It behooves a hijacker to blend in. Not blending in would seem to be a violation of Rule #1 for anyone who wants to evade discovery.

2.) Acting in a suspicious manner whilst on an airplane (especially for people of the swarthy persuasion) would seem to be the same as begging to be ejected. Not blending in would seem to be a violation of Rule #1 for anyone who wants to travel to his/her destination without incident.

************

That's exactly the way "Those People" want you to think ... sneaky fucks.

*****************

Hope we are getting what we paid for ....

Spy budget, at $43.5 billion, is no secret now

Reuters - 2 hours ago

By Randall Mikkelsen WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Bush administration said it had spent $43.5 billion on spying in fiscal 2007, as it bowed on Tuesday to a law ordering disclosure of a figure the government has kept secret for most of the past 60 years.

DOJ Statement on Blackwater, just out ...
STATEMENT BY JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SPOKESMAN DEAN BOYD

ON THE BLACKWATER INVESTIGATION

"The Justice Department and the FBI cannot discuss the facts of the Blackwater case, which is under active investigation. However, any suggestion that the Blackwater employees in question have been given immunity from federal criminal prosecution is inaccurate. The Justice Department and the FBI continue the criminal investigation of this matter knowing that this investigation involves a number of complex issues. We are unable to comment further at this time."

--Josh Marshall

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/057449.php

Surprisingly, Hillary Clinton is seen as the candidate best able to deal with the Iranians followed by Giuliani and John McCain:

When asked which presidential candidate would be best equipped to deal with Iran – regardless of whether or not they expected the U.S. to attack Iran – 21% would most like to see New York U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton leading the country, while 15% would prefer former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani and 14% would want Arizona U.S. Sen. John McCain in charge.

Another 10% said Illinois Sen. Barack Obama would be best equipped to deal with Iran, while Republican Fred Thompson (5%), Democrat John Edwards (4%) and Republican Mitt Romney (3%) were less likely to be viewed as the best leaders to help the U.S. deal with Iran.

Hillary Clinton's transition to hawk is complete

Will Mukasey's answers on waterboarding satisfy Senate Dems? Not Joe Biden.

Late Update: Leahy is "concerned" and Durbin says Mukasey's answer "falls far short," but neither tips his hand on how he will vote.

--David Kurtz

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/057447.php

http://www.soaw.org/

Great site! Morales withdraws soliders from terrorist training school.

Study: Rising number of veterans are uninsured, many ineligible for VA care

KEVIN FREKING
AP Features

Oct 30, 2007 16:58 EDT

About one of every eight veterans under the age of 65 is uninsured, a finding that contradicts the assumption many have that all vets qualify for free health care through the Veterans Affairs Department, says a new study.

Researchers at Harvard Medical School projected that about 1.8 million veterans overall lack health coverage. That's an increase of 290,000 since 2000. The researchers said most uninsured veterans are in the middle class and are ineligible for VA care because of their incomes. Still others cannot afford their copayments, or lack VA facilities in their community.

"Like other uninsured Americans, most uninsured vets are working people — too poor to afford private coverage but not poor enough to qualify for Medicaid or means-tested VA care," said Dr. Steffie Woolhandler, an associate professor and a physician at the Cambridge Health Alliance.

The study is based on an analysis of government surveys released between 1988 and 2005. Veterans do fare better than the overall population when it comes to obtaining health insurance. Still, the Harvard researchers said the rising number of uninsured vets points to the need for more funding for the VA. The best solution, they said, would be for universal health coverage in the United States.

"Only the government can put men and women into military service and only the government can guarantee that they are covered after they serve," said Dr. Jeffrey Scavron.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/mochila.php?articleId=10057576&channelId=76...

He Sammy - Where's your affilate strategy? Need to negotiate with some one here in Northern Virginia. The DC channel sucks - 1260 it is not worth listening to two much static. I turn it on and then turn down the volume in the hopes that some one is runny stats that I am at least tunned in.

Why don't you get all of your rich NE Elist to buy up some radio station in NY, Boston and DC and do your own programming. it would rock.

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/66473/

Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 7:28pm.
Surprisingly, Hillary Clinton is seen as the candidate best able to deal with the Iranians...When asked which presidential candidate would be best equipped to deal with Iran – regardless of whether or not they expected the U.S. to attack Iran...Hillary Clinton's transition to hawk is complete
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You must be seeing a narrow definition of "deal with" that I don't see? The poll question obviously excludes the "war only" definition. If "China" were substituted for "Iran" in the question and the poll results were the same, would you draw the same "Hillary is a hawk" conclusion?

I know there are some fans around here and probably missed this but George was on Costas on the Radio this weekend for an extended interview.

http://www.premiereradio.com/shows/view/costas_radio_talk.html

If you want to check it out and not hear the sports stuff in the beginning, start the first part at 19 minutes. The rest of the show is Carlin. I thought it was pretty darn good.

Acting Weird
Submitted by Crank Bait on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 7:07pm.
Suspicious crew raises alarm and a flight is canceled
Submitted by Kevin © on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 6:54pm.

With all the hoops one must go through to even get on the plane, any chance the crew could do their jobs. I would imagine that the passengers were staring back at the crew members who were staring at them. For just having a feeling, perhaps the crew could call it in to double check security if they were apprehensive, but how about going up and conversing with the passengers, and showing some empathy. Like..." you appear a little nervous, are you afraid of flying?" "Is there something I can do or get to make you more comfortable?"

Sometimes fear just needs to faced down to be eleviated. And I imagine these passengers are confronted with this type of behavior constantly particularly with the current adminstration's drone of "be afraid, be very afraid."

Was funny tonight. If there is a repeat, you should watch it.

Keith Olbermann showing Bush's speech today

And the 3 B's are there

Bush, Blunt and Boehner.

Yech.

Submitted by CeeCee on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 7:49pm.
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The incident as reported seems very odd to me as I tried to convey by writing my knee-jerk reaction to anyone crazy enough to act weird on an airplane.

At the bottom of Kevin's post and in bold type is this: "It turned out that the group of seven Iraqi and Iraqi-American men worked for an Alaska-based defense contractor and had been training U.S. Marines at Camp Pendleton..."

I'm uncertain if this is supposed to indicate that the men on the airplane were regular joes being unfairly judged, or what? My inclination is to suspect the opposite. Men who are deeply and continuously immersed in the warrior culture can have rusty (or severely corroded) social skills.

Goulet died. Wasn't he a guest on this show when it was a real show?

-M the a-c

As the possibility the U.S. may strike Iran captures headlines around the world, many have given thought to the possibility of an attack at home.

Two in three (68%) believe it is likely that the U.S. will suffer another significant terrorist attack on U.S. soil comparable to the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 – of those, 27% believe such an attack is very likely.

Nearly one in three (31%) believe the next significant attack will occur between one and three years from now, 22% said they believe the next attack is between three and five years away, and 15% said they don’t think the U.S. will be attacked on U.S. soil for at least five years or longer.

Just 9% believe a significant terrorist attack will take place in the U.S. before the next presidential election.

Hillary Clinton's transition to hawk is complete
Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 7:28pm.
Surprisingly, Hillary Clinton is seen as the candidate best able to deal with the Iranians followed by Giuliani and John McCain:

...are these the same morons,
Congress is ready to bomb - And the folks are ready to bomb !
Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 7:23pm.
Poll: Majority of Voters Support Iran Strike Rick Moran

sorry, voters who say we should bomb Iran.

On the basis that these may likely be the same people polled (and perhaps residing in the executive building in DC) in favor of invading Iraq, this is alarming.

A majority of likely voters – 52% – would support a U.S. military strike to prevent Iran from building a nuclear weapon, and 53% believe it is likely that the U.S. will be involved in a military strike against Iran before the next presidential election, a new Zogby America telephone poll shows.

we know your ridiculous talking points

they're exposed everyday by think progress, media matters, crooks & liers, etc

so fuck off

*boo-hoo*

"he bully me, he bully me"

Singer Robert Goulet Dies at 73

LOS ANGELES — A spokesman for Robert Goulet says the singer has died in a Los Angeles hospital while awaiting a lung transplant.

FOR A TRIP TO L.A.!!

YAY!!

--Goulet died---
Submitted by Kevin © on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 8:34pm.
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Bob Ghoulet dead. Halloween tomorrow. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Free Democracy

(the fuckhead anon)

you must of been as happy as a pig in shit when 9/11 happened

your peanut pnac buddies got their pearl harbour

and remember what pappy bush referred to your

pnac buddies as...

yes, that's right!

"the crazies"

marc maron is dead

he hung himself 5 minutes ago

: )

NEW YORK (AP) -- Merrill Lynch's departing chief executive, Stan O'Neal, will walk away with $161.5 million in stock, options and retirement benefits, the company said Tuesday.

Merrill Lynch & Co. (MER) is the target of a purported class action alleging the financial firm issued materially false and misleading statements regarding its financial results between Feb. 26 and Oct. 23.

The lawsuit alleges Merrill Lynch knew or disregarded that it was more exposed to collateralized debt obligations subprime debt than it disclosed.

Submitted by air-ono on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 8:44pm.

marc maron is dead

he hung himself 5 minutes ago

**************

Circle of Life

8-)

USAGE NOTE Hanged, as a past tense and a past participle of hang, is used in the sense of “to put to death by hanging,” as in Frontier courts hanged many a prisoner after a summary trial. A majority of the Usage Panel objects to hung used in this sense. In all other senses of the word, hung is the preferred form as past tense and past participle, as in I hung my child's picture above my desk.
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Submitted by air-ono on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 8:44pm.
marc maron is dead...he hung himself 5 minutes ago
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Thanks to an inability to properly conjugate, air-ono has spared Maron's life.

from a clothes line

like you would your favourite undies

men are well hung.

like watching a steaming pile of shit on parade

can we just elect Giuliani president and get on with it?

This DINO bitch is DOA.

-M the a-c

Brainwashed Congeniality
Submitted by Crank Bait on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 8:09pm.
Submitted by CeeCee on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 7:49pm.
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At the bottom of Kevin's post and in bold type is this: "It turned out that the group of seven Iraqi and Iraqi-American men worked for an Alaska-based defense contractor and had been training U.S. Marines at Camp Pendleton..."

I'm uncertain if this is supposed to indicate that the men on the airplane were regular joes being unfairly judged, or what? My inclination is to suspect the opposite. Men who are deeply and continuously immersed in the warrior culture can have rusty (or severely corroded) social skills.

...maybe they could have better gauged the situation or disengaged it by "congeniality." Maybe they would have learned they had helped the marines.

The bottom of the post was not lost on me. I being a tall, rather attractive (so I've been told) female raised with three brothers can recognize machismo was at play here and is not exclusive to any one ethnicity or culture.

I, as liberal, happen to actually believe in giving "peace a chance" using available attributes/skills to positively diffuse the situation and so not to demean anyone involved. With that being said, make no mistake, my line is drawn at abusive and threatening behavior, and I can be just as tough with that reality too. The actions described would not have scared me enough not to at least try "congeniality" while others were taking some other precautions.

I am not living in la-la land but I am not, and not going to, live in fear either. Just saying.

CeeCee

yeah, i'm offended by you for posting that pic

well, well,...
hello

Hillary's can be trusted to draw the line in the sand.

Puns Come Home To Roost
Submitted by Crank Bait on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 8:37pm.
--Goulet died---
Submitted by Kevin © on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 8:34pm.
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Bob Ghoulet dead. Halloween tomorrow. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Laundry Is Hung. Men Are Hanged.
Submitted by Crank Bait on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 8:53pm.
USAGE NOTE Hanged, as a past tense and a past participle of hang, is used in the sense of “to put to death by hanging,” as in Frontier courts hanged many a prisoner after a summary trial. A majority of the Usage Panel objects to hung used in this sense. In all other senses of the word, hung is the preferred form as past tense and past participle, as in I hung my child's picture above my desk.
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Submitted by air-ono on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 8:44pm.
marc maron is dead...he hung himself 5 minutes ago
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Thanks to an inability to properly conjugate, air-ono has spared Maron's life.

One the reasons why I love this blog. Thanks guys!

i'm filling out a competition...
Submitted by air-ono on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 8:35pm.
FOR A TRIP TO L.A.!!

YAY!!
*******
;)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Haven't seen you here in awhile.

Are you watching the debate?

Today has been one of those days when my brain keeps popping out of gear. My head feels heavy and dull, like a trucker's tarpaulin is between me and my nearest synapse. Ordinarily I am agile but I have dropped or knocked over three items today, one of which broke.

I haven't been drinking or drugging. I feel fine other than being stupefied.

I wonder what happens to a brain on days like this? Is it preoccupied with something that it's not telling me about? We shouldn't be keeping secrets from one another, should we? Is this a scheduled maintenance day? Was everything moved outside before the cranium repainting began?

I hope I can make it to bedtime without stubbing my toe on an immovable object. Or ordering a George Foreman Grill.

how the f are you. i got more pics if you need them.

no, i need 14 stamps... for 14 envelopes

Presidential Nominee Moore Polarizes Iraq War Issue

Today, there are two sides on the Iraq War debate; on the left there is Brian Moore, with Socialist Party USA and Peace and Freedom Party, and on the right there are the Democrats and Republicans. Brian Moore recently received the nomination for president by the Socialist Party USA; during the party’s National Convention, in St Louis, Missouri, Moore put the line in the sand, “immediate withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan.”

AMY GOODMAN: Several years ago, Father Roy Bourgeois and others who founded the anti-School of the Americas movement at Fort Benning, Georgia, asked that -- came and visited you in the palace and asked that Bolivia not send soldiers to train at the -- what used to be called the School of the Americas, a place where Banzer, the dictator, had trained. Other countries are considering this ban. I think Venezuela, Argentina, Uruguay, Costa Rica have said they won't send soldiers. Will Bolivia?

PRESIDENT EVO MORALES: [translated] So, it's not just a question of not sending people. Perhaps it would be better to shut the School of the Americas. But I understand it’s also part of the survival and continuation of [inaudible] and to create a certain interventionist mindset.

scheduled maintenance to be preformed during sleep mode..
That should do it..
The Foreman Grill is your problem.. ;)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

17 year old Morales (in blue) poses with his mother (third from right), father (standing, second from left), brother, and others from his family. Courtesy of MAS.

Kucinich blamed the Media for stoking up the war in Iraq and asked them not to repeat it with Iran.

Oct 30, 2007 3:30 PM
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10/29

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7158

libbie hypocrite

it's all me, me, me... you never think about our troops that have had their brains blown out

have another latte, me-man

*

saying this shit is bad enough in jest

and this type of moronic shit is what trolls thrive on

(all day)
(every day)

Mysterious Deaths in the United States Air Force: Whitewash and Cover-up

Several military personnel died under mysterious circumstances shortly before and after the incident. There are now questions regarding the fate of these individuals in the U.S. Air Force who could have had relationships in one way or another to the incident or possibly have been directly involved. It is also necessary to state that there is no proof that these deaths are linked to the August flight from Minot to Barksdale in question.

Citizens for Legitimate Government has pointed towards the involvement of the U.S. Air Force in a cover-up and has linked several deaths of U.S. servicemen to the incident. Lori Price has also stated for Citizens for a Legitimate Government that “you need about fourteen signatures to get an armed nuke on a B-52.”

Based on several news sources, including the U.S. military, we provide below a detailed review of these mysterious and untimely deaths of U.S. servicemen.

Chemo Brain
By Jane Hamsher on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 12:42 pm

As Duncan notes this morning, Fred Thompson has indolent, non-curable lymphoma that has a high likelihood of recurrence. In which case it would have to be treated with chemotherapy:

I’m not one who actually thinks that presidential health is all that important, and certainly don’t think that such illness/treatment should in any way be a disqualifier.

I’m actually going to disagree here. While I appreciate the restraint of those who haven’t gone through the experience, as someone who just got out of a four month round of chemotherapy I do think there are serious questions that need to be asked about this. And I’d be saying the exact same thing about a Democratic candidate.

It’s one thing for a potential nominee’s family to be in chemotherapy (Elizabeth Edwards) but it’s quite another for the candidate himself. During chemo we joked that about 50% of my IQ had been shaved off, and I’d say that was a pretty realistic assessment. I couldn’t remember anything from one moment to another, had no ability to read an average-length newspaper article and recall what it said at the beginning by the time I got to the end. It also made me really emotional and affected my judgment. It was important for me for a variety of reasons to keep blogging but I could not have done the kind of detail-oriented, in-depth kind of stuff I used to do during the days of Plame any more than I could fly. My posts got short and I had to check them with people before I put them up to make sure I hadn’t made some big mistake and left out something huge. I’m only now starting to get my brain back and my concentration is still poor eight months after I started chemo.

People in cancer treatment want to live their lives to the fullest, and there’s no reason for anyone to question Elizabeth Edwards’ qualifications as a mother for supporting her husband during treatment except for sexist claptrap. But that doesn’t mean you’re qualified to do anything in the midst of it. The fact is that nobody is asking Fred Thompson about a condition that could very seriously impair his ability to run the country. And I think there are several good questions that Fred needs to answer:

Did your doctors call your cancer stage 4?
Your doctors already acknowledged your cancer is likely to return, do you think it’s fair to the American people to enter the White House knowing you will need more chemotherapy?
When was the last time you had chemotherapy?
While I understand that people’s experience with chemo brain may vary, it’s a very real phenomeon and its effects can linger 10 years after treatment. And if the job of the press is to help the public make informed decisions and not just fawn over candidates who clearly have some cognitive issues to begin with, they really need to hop to it.

http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/30/chemo-brain/

In fact the U.S. military has been experimenting with manipulating the radiation belts since the end of the Second World War. The U.S. Navy’s Project Argus, taking place from August to September 1958, is an example. A total of five nuclear weapons were used; three atom bombs (weapons using nuclear fission) were detonated above the Atlantic Ocean and two thermonuclear or hydrogen bombs (weapons using nuclear fusion) in the Pacific Ocean in an effort to manipulate the Van Allen Belts.

(sock-puppet)

hey, war-dog's one of us now...

pathetic ploy, war-dog

"hey, i'm another anon"

Sam Seder and other Democrats WILL vote for Hillary if she's the nominee..O-Fucking-K? Your brainwashing technique seems to have worked on them...so seriously...you can relax - no worries...quo it is, baby....

About Ghouliani, he only uses three things in a sentence...

a noun, a verb and 9/11

The right has a lock...

A brand new CAR!

years..

doesn't that make you feel sorry for us and make you want to spare us the misery of looking at her face until voting day? Maybe? Pleeeeeeease?

...because we remember that the Clinton-Gore admin. did exactly the same stupid, destructive shit that the Bush-Cheney crowd are doing now, and Senator Clinton has been nothing but a rubber stamp for them. I call bullshit.

She's not my favorite politician, but clearly better than many:

http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=WNY99268

the great thing is that means that she is the MOST in debt to interests who are anti-the-3% and would have the power to kill us all...doesn't that make you happy?

Submitted by MMRules on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 9:46pm.
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MMRules,

Does this ever happen to you? Do you ever wake up too stupid to recognize that you're dumb as a stump? I was so slow this morning, several hours had passed before I KNEW that I was slow. Then I forgot that I knew. Then I dropped something and it broke. Then I stared down at the pieces while a picture of a broom lingered unseen in the thought balloon over my head.

It doesn't happen to me very often. Ordinarily I can awake in the middle of the night fully aware, so I can certainly awake in the morning ready to attack the day. But not this morning. A telemarketer could have outsmarted me this morning. There's a fifty-fifty chance that I bought burial insurance today.

Malloy is again on FIRE
Having a great show tonight

Professing his belief in The Great Pumpkin nearly cost him the (student body) Presidency, but Linus still managed to pull it out. 84-83.

:-)

I have days like that. So do my offspring.

Losing time is a scary thing.

Anyone hear her show today??? A Diary of Iraq: One Soliders View
I have to say what I heard was very disturbing. I cannot get the images of the stories that young solider wrote about out of my head.

All Class Trollup. Never realize it until you go away and come back.

Hope you are around for Maron tomorrow to regale us with some of your tough roo love.

Crank Bait
Alice
toniD
MMRules
Kevin

I love that drawing. Thanks Annette

And may I say this is the best one yet.

Hillary caught shit for her vote on Iran and has been back stroking about it.

I think Edwards and Obama have put her in a corner on that one.

Biden is comic relief. Richardson says the same over and over.

Kuchinich says what we want to hear.

Dodd also, in a nicer way, gave it to Hillary on the Iran vote.

It's a more serious debate tonight.

Is fluctuated between Law and Order and wrestling.

I'm tellin' ya...guys...Kucinich needs to become a WWE referee and/or guest wrestler if he wants recognition with 75% of Americans.

That, or maybe he could guest-star on Law and Order.

You're welcome! :-)

thanks for your great updating on the debate.
I had no idea there was one going on.

Remember Humana?
Don't worry.Just go with the flow..Just apart of getting old..
Of course if it happens too often and, you aren't medicated at the time,
then you might want to see a Doc..
And,make it more difficult to find you credit cards.. :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

You (and Annette) reminded me of how nice life seemed to be when my concerns were to watch the Charlie Brown specials...it's weird to see them every year and see how my thoughts change about what I'm seeing...but still..as much bashing as religion gets..I love the Linus speech about Christmas....how he says "sore afraid"...which I guess is like.."they were freakin"...

SOS - I looked up trollup in classic 'Bait style, and got

derives from Trois Loups, or "three wolves".

I think Anonafuck just called air-ono a wolf or three...

The San Francisco Chronicle Peter Warfield Says San Francisco's Prop. D is bad for libraries; Very, very bad. It is being deceptively sold as a "renewal" of the Library Preservation Fund, a pitch likely to lull voters into thinking everything will stay the same as before. But it won't. In fact, Proposition D repeals the fund two years before it expires in 2009, and replaces it with a revision that undermines what the fund was set up to do.

I'll be the one passing out oatmeal cookies and milk and offering towels to the topless at the revolution LOL

God, I've been craving those things.

I just love duplication.

Not.

Free Democracy

air-ono: "...saying this shit is bad enough in jest and this type of moronic shit is what trolls thrive on..."
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I am immune to their childish idiocy...and I don't call myself Crank Bait for nothing. The morons don't dictate my subject matter. It is my tune. They are merely dancing to it.
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toniD,
I am watching/listening to the MSNBC debate online. I was not certain if I was streaming it or if I started late and was behind real-time. Based on the comments on the blog (and a dead-air commercial break), I'm streaming it live.

toniD
new
Submitted by smcgee43 on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 10:19pm.
thanks for your great updating on the debate.
I had no idea there was one going on.

» It's on MSNBC

Brian Williams is the moderator. And Timmy boy had a chance to question also. Give the devil his do, he did ask Hillary some hard questions.

Evidently Bill Clinton put a hols on some papers from his presidency, re Hillary, and Russert asked if she would allow those papers to be released.

posted by Great Western Dragon

The City of Seattle is booming and the city coffers swell with an additional $35 million in the general fund.

Too bad so little of it seems to be going to the local public library.

The opinion page of the Seattle PI has a look at the long waiting times for popular materials at the Seattle Public Library. In a way, Seattle PL is a victim of their own success. Following the construction of four new branches, a total renovation of the main library, and improvements at 23 other libraries; well, circulation jumped 83%.

So perhaps, the article contends, the funding should jump a little too.

:)

Thanks for reminding me about Malloy..
"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Never. ;)

Crank Bait, Mercury is at one of its stations about to go "direct." It might be interesting to see if your few bad days coincide with this. Mercury is stationary-direct and stationary-retrograde (each) 3 times a year. It might also be interesting to see if you're interested in this now and pooh-pooh it when your mind returns to usual.

Trollop reminds me:
Hélène Grimaud and friends.

Later, folks.

Do you guys remember the morons who claimed that Kerry was "too conservative" for them during '04? Kerry is a fucking Marxist compared to Hillary Clinton.

-M the a-c

hols s/b hold

*Tres* cool!!!

Thanks for that interesting story.

Submitted by Cat Chew on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 10:26pm.
...It might also be interesting to see if you're interested in this now and pooh-pooh it when your mind returns to usual.
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I'm not sharp enough to be interested in it now. I'd need a cheat-sheet to pass a captcha test. Besides, I'm a Libra. Somebody has his thumb on the scale.

Biden:

Okay, I may have to endorse Biden after this tear against Rudy. Right, the least qualified man running for president since George Bush. Actually, this whole answer is pretty great. Not really being in the race is sorta liberating.

don't and didn't they vote for the same? Or is she just trying to lie about her vote and they're trying to call her on it? At one time didn't they all (the three they show us) authorize the use of force, and continue to give more of our money to the killers?

the story mike's talking about...

//The nation’s top official for consumer product safety [Nancy A. Nord] has asked Congress in recent days to reject legislation intended to strengthen the agency, which polices thousands of consumer goods, from toys to tools.//

"the system is working"

http://travel.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/travel/news/article27...

(more than I have already...)

http://www.fiercelight.org/HOPE%20DANCEissue_64_entire.pdf

This vote was the vote to give Bush some Leeway about IRAN not Iraq.

Biden and Dodd did not vote for that. Obama wasn't there for the vote.

Hillary did vote for it. So they put her in a corner about it. She was saying that the bill did not give Bush the power to attack Iran. But we all know how Bush does what he wants.

All of those things?

Submitted by Annette on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 10:20pm.
SOS - I looked up trollup in classic 'Bait style, and got
derives from Trois Loups, or "three wolves".
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I found a different etymology (perhaps from Old Norse, from "troll"). Did you find trois loups online and, if so, will you link to it?
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Scratch the above. I reread the posts. The Anonymous poster probably intended to write "trollop" not "trollup". You intended to write Trollupe (which is a Norman surname).

This is what happens when a misspelling is off and running. For what it is worth, air-ono is the wrong gender to be a trollop, so the Anonymous insult missed its spelling and its mark.

How are you feeling lately? I don't like thinking of you and SJ in pain..and MM...

[edit]

i'll have to jerk off in the toilet

:|

Pelosi calls for CSPC head's resignation

Pelosi Demands the Resignation of Consumer Product Safety Commission Head Nancy Nord

JESSE J. HOLLAND
AP News

Oct 30, 2007 14:58 EDT

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Tuesday called for the resignation of the head of the Consumer Product Safety Commission following the millions of recalls of Chinese-made toys.

Nancy Nord, the agency's acting head, has been under fire in Congress for opposing Democrats' legislation to expand her agency's budget and work.

"Any commission chair who does not, in the face of the facts that are so clear, say we don't need any more authority or any more resources to do our job, does not understand the gravity of the situation," said Pelosi, who has been joined in her call for Nord's resignation by other Democrats in the House and Senate. "I call on the president of the United States to ask for the resignation."

Nord, in an Oct. 24 letter to the Senate Commerce Committee, said a Democratic bill that would expand her agency "could have the unintended consequence of hampering, rather than furthering, consumer product safety."

In earlier hearings in front of Congress, Nord had asked for additional funds for her agency.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2007/10/pelosi_calls_for_cspc_heads_re...

Asking Kucinich about his viewing a UFO!

Hahahahahahahahaha. No wonder he is the 3% guy.

:)

Oooh, I see Toni..thanks..I get it now..
Submitted by Alice on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 10:54pm.
How are you feeling lately? I don't like thinking of you and SJ in pain..and MM...

Still hurting, but I am thinking it isn't my back and could be my hip. Already had one hip replaced and RA does attack the joints.

But the pain eased up today.

Mercury is in Retrograde! Weird things do seem to happen when that is going on

Glad to se your feeling abit better.. :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

wish I could see the debate ...Im @ work right now.

commentary begins.

Hah! the MSM admiting that Obama and Edwards backed Hillary into a corner!

I would give an automatic yes, but the milk has to be skim, and it depends on who's topless. Some of them Code Pink chicks... not to be mean, but ouch.

;-) roflmao

Cat Chew
Submitted by smcgee43 on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 11:02pm.
Mercury is in Retrograde! Weird things do seem to happen when that is going on
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I resemble that remark.

feeling a bit better to.
I've have a dam cold now for about 4 days

When is Mercury going to be Outofgrade? ;)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

The linkage.

http://www.answers.com/topic/trollope-1

til it's over boys and girls.

Hillary backed into a corner.
Do you think they'll re-run it?

sometime this week or weekend.

This debate was worth watching.

You will be the first to know MMRules.
We have it on our Dashboard on our Sexy IMac. its one of those things you get when you get an IMac I guess.

Mac ! :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

put a post-it-note on my forehead (to remind myself)
to watch the debate.

I'm a wimp for pain...

to stand up for Hillary.

Chris Mathews asking why he did that.

I could figure everything out on the Mac!!

was not as painful as my hip was before the operation. They gave me a morphine drip and I hardly used it. Recoup takes about 3 months though.

I will be bringing our 5 little kittens who did not lose there mittens to be spayed/neutered on November 10th here in Chicago.
P.A.W.S (Pets Are Worth Saving) They are having a spay day then. Hopefully I will be able to catch Scruffy (Momma Cat)
I just saw her yesterday and of course I was just leaving for work.
Then over the weekend I saw the daddy of the kittens (Mystery Kitty)
He & his pal Daddy come by so rarely...that I never know when they will bw coming by.

about his siting of a UFO.

He tried to make a joke about it by saying he would open a new office in Rosewell, but Chris Mathews and the MSM are jumping on that one.

of when I was a little one Kev. How sweet!

Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 10:58pm.
Hahahahahahahahaha. No wonder he is the 3% guy.--

..."Just wait til the Great Pumpkin comes!" -Sally

Is quite a beautiful lady .. never seen her pic before and she is now on The Daily Show..

Wil

Mooo.. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgymlCMpPM0

Goulet's ESPN's NCAA commercial ...

Wil

Submitted by Annette on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 11:07pm.
The linkage.
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Yeah. I found Trollope whilst searching for alternative spellings of trollop, then I used a variant in my post [Spelling variations of this family name include Trollop, Trollope, Trollupe, Trollup, Trolloop and others.].

I still think that trollop was the original word that Anonymous intended to write which was misspelled as Trollup and then it got messy from there. The sentence made little sense: "All Class Trollup." All class? Low class would have been more appropriate.

The "three wolves" etymology of Trollope is interesting but I don't think that it has any relationship with the etymology of trollop.

I think it applies to anyone who doesn't use their real name online and is mean to others.

(I no longer qualify for that category)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVZQK3hh0KE

Here is some of their run down.

MSNBC took a break...so we'll start a new thread. This is really a debate. And, in fact, Hillary Clinton is being attacked. Her vote on the Kyl-Lieberman Iran resolution (written by neocons according to John Edwards) has given her opponents the fodder. And, it's not just coming from Edwards and Obama, but Dodd and Biden have been very strong, too.

At this point, I'd say Edwards is having a good night.

9:42 PM: The question is electability. Brian Williams quoted Rudy to challenge Hillary. She uses the GOP "obsession" with her as proof of her electability. Russert followed up on her experience question wanting her to allow the National Archives to release her records from the Bill Clinton years. Apparently, Bill Clinton wrote to the archives asking them to not release any correspondence between Bill and Hillary. She actually did not answer the question that she would allow it. Somehow, it's not her responsibility. Obama went right after her on that one. He also said the GOP is obsessed with Hillary because that's a fight they've had and want again.

Edwards also said the Republicans want to run against Clinton. He also turned it into a question on the influence of money in politics...and how Clinton represents the status quo. He represents change.

9:51 PM: Brian Williams asks Obama the experience question. Obama knows how to get things done, he says. He will also stand up to special interests. And, he reminds us that he stood against the war in 2002. We need principled leadership and that's what he'll give us.

9:53 PM: Richardson is hearing a holier than thou attitude towards Hillary Clinton, which he thinks is getting personal. We need to be positive he says -- as Richardson tells us he trusts her, but doesn't agree with her on a whole litany of issues. That sanctimonious thing doesn't really work.

9:56 PM: Dodd -- we need to elect a Democrat...a Democrat that's electable. Hmmm.

9:57 PM: Edwards lets us know he's not pure...none of them are, but disputes Richardson's assertion that the attacks are personal.

9:59 PM: Biden isn't running against Hillary Clinton, he's running to be the leader of the free world. Biden smacks Rudy Giuliani hard. Rudy is genuinely not qualified to be President. Every sentence Rudy speaks has a noun, a verb and 9/11. Good line.

10:02 PM: Russert starts a new subject -- Social Security. Wants to know if Hillary has different positions on lifting the cap intimating she answers one way publicly and another privately. She, of course, disputes that contention and gets into the good work done in the 90s. She's going to appoint a bi-partisan commission. She does not advocate raising the cap. Acting like Social Security is in crisis is a GOP talking point according to Hillary.

More here:

http://www.americablog.com/2007/10/democratic-debate-open-thread-ii.html

:-)

//"Congress is not getting its work done," Bush said. "We're near the end of the year, and there really isn't much to show for it."//

oh, george... what can be done

To Implement Policy, Bush to Turn to Administrative Orders

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heil bushler

Don't let this happen to you!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59jY3hESUzo

Wil

What are you?... a used car sales man?... A drug pusher?...A fucking lobbyist?

Do you really think you can pressure people into signing up?

How many anon's does it take, to get Annette to shut the fuck up?

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debate to turn to ufo's is typical...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZhLDwU5Row

We will miss Robert messing with our stuff.

Wil

P.S. .. I am too lazy to sign in .. and I really don't feel like it anyway. Weird mood .. maybe it's Mercury? I think Virgo's are susceptible to Mercury?? Anyone knowledgable in astrology?? That true??

Of the choices you offered, no, no, no.

No.

That's not possible.

Thanks for the list.

a Colbert for President sign

come to lurk .. like Spike's Tulane Law Students who found this place .. okay not THIS place .. by the Majority Report blog .. high drama back in the good old days. They just came by to read and let the art flow over them... and LORD!! Were we an arty bunch back then .. *sigh* Good times .. good times ...

Wil

Joe Trippi about Edwards and a protester with a sing almost ran up to them. He was shouting something I didn't hear but the sign said Out of Iraq.

Security caught him and pulled him out of camera shot. Chris Mathews said "well I agree with the sentiment but not how it was delivered"!

How're you doing?

They charge $17.00 for ferals
Friendly Ferals they do for $45.00
There is a man who puts up the cash for micro-chips
If you live in a certain zip-code area they will do it for free.

Brought work home (again), and didn't do a damn thing except stare at this blog and read the news. Thanks tonid, if not for you and Alice's interjections, I'd have not even known there was a debate on. And Alice, I know I blew it off earlier, but I understand what you mean about how being too much in the know news-wise can make a sister tense.

But you guys...Sam/Marc - keepin' me informed. Great stuff. :-)

Nite chall. Tomorrow comes early...I'm reposting this pic. Liked it.

wil: "...I am too lazy to sign in .. and I really don't feel like it anyway. Weird mood..."
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Quit your whining. At least you can pass the captcha test. I don't even want to try.

In the first questions posed to Obama and Edwards, they were given the chance to attack Clinton. Edwards did a much, much better job of defining his differences with Hillary. She was obviously prepared for the attack. Edwards focused on Iran, which Hillary did not address. She has a lot of "specific plans."

9:09 PM: Because Hillary didn't address Iran, Russert asked her why she voted for Kyl-Lieberman's resolution. She prefers "vigorous diplomacy." (But isn't that what she said she voted for in 2002 on the Iraq resolution.)

Russert followed up on Iran with Dodd who said this issue is going to come back to haunt us and what we didn't learn in '02, we should have learned now. OUCH. He's right, of course.

Biden, on the Iran vote, said there are consequences for what we do. (Biden and Dodd voted against Kyl-Lieberman.) Biden said the vote emboldened Bush.

9:15 PM: Continuing on Iran, Obama responds on Iran and when he would go to war what Brian William calls "the red line"...a question Obama rejected noting the "drumbeat of war" is coming from the GOP debates.

Hillary Clinton also got asked the "red line" question. She sounds very, very defensive on the Iran question. That Kyl-Lieberman vote undermines much of what she's saying. She "wants to start diplomacy." (Again, we've heard that before from her.)

9:19 PM: Edwards said Kyl-Lieberman sounds like it was written by the neocons. Noting some of us learned from our mistakes on Iraq, you give Bush an inch, he takes a mile. That resolution enabled Bush and let him "march forward." He asks how is that Democrats standing up to Bush?

:25 PM: Russert asks them all if they can pledge that Iran will not get a nuclear bomb when they are President. Obama gave a great answer on how Americans have been governed by the politics of fear -- sounding very much like Paul Krugman's excellent column yesterday, btw.) Both Biden and Dodd refocused the question and said that Pakistan poses a much bigger problem -- and both of them sound very, very competent on this issue. Kucinich took an appropriate swipe at the media -- telling them not to promote another war, which the media did in 2002. Very good point about not ratcheting up the rhetoric for war.

annette is everything you're not...

she's appreciated

Now I am all nikified!!

stop fucking up the english language

you're only an anon when you post as an anon

Good Night & Sweet Dreams

It's like a little quiz you have to pass to show you are noble enough to post! Kinda like Sam's own Keeper of the Bridge of Death .. ya know??

Doing okay Toni .. Hope you are well - : )

nice touch, war-troll

spam and insidiously implicating alice

Shell
Submitted by toniD on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 10:49pm.
This vote was the vote to give Bush some Leeway about IRAN not Iraq.
Biden and Dodd did not vote for that. Obama wasn't there for the vote.Hillary did vote for it. So they put her in a corner about it. She was saying that the bill did not give Bush the power to attack Iran. But we all know how Bush does what he wants.
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You are right on, Bush does not need any coaxing to ignore the law in order for his administration to do what it wants, and clearly no one has thrown up any obstacles to even slow him down.

The legislation that led to Bush's invasion of Iraq was not an authorization to do so, yet he used it for his purposes. It is my understanding Hilary unapologetically admitted to supporting it. And after seeing how that legislation was used and abused, yet again, she votes for similar legislation for his administration to construe for its purposes.

Hilary voting for this bill shows either she is not a quick study (not likely,) or that she is complicit (could be corroborated.)

It may be the very chink in the campaign to bring her down especially if Bush does attack Iran. And the other candidates would do well to work it if the elections are not cancelled in that event.

After today's admonishment by Bush, Congress should go into legislative shutdown and full oversight. It's obvious the peoples' business will not be done as long as this administration is in place. Better not to give him any opening or support to cause harm here or around the world.

Calls Bush the Petulance of the United States!

now you're insidiously implicating mmr

I so agree with you!!

~

Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 11:47pm.

Thanks...

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Getting sleepy

Sweet Dreams!

Make him work for it.

Not going to give it away much longer.

Trollup

All Class

//As the war rhetoric from the United States towards Iran intensifies and America announces tough new economic sanctions against the regime, Christopher Hitchens, a supporter of the Iraqi intervention, looks at what is driving this. And what effect would military strikes against Iran have on the stability of Iraq, and terrorism around the world?//

[followed by bruce shapiro]

listen or download

always a pleasure to listen to hitchens accent

it's even better to listen to sam's impersonation of him

Glad To See Today Go Away
Submitted by Crank Bait on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 10:06pm.
Submitted by MMRules on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 9:46pm.
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MMRules,

Does this ever happen to you? ....
Then I dropped something and it broke. Then I stared down at the pieces while a picture of a broom lingered unseen in the thought balloon over my head.
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if this really happened to you these are fairly typical symptoms
of some serious medical/health issues
1)low blood sugar (very low)
2)TIA or even small stroke

it has been reported that many patients suffering debilitating strokes have had several small TIA's, days or weeks, prior to the stroke.
Crank Bait -this could be serious or it could be you needed your daily dose of caffeine either way
it sounds like something I would get checked out.
Also here are some tips especially for those who live alone

every morning when you wake up say something to yourself out loud
like, Good morning you fantastic wonderful person, say the same thing every morning.
then clap your hands (with both arms elevated)
when you get out of bed are u limping or weak?
then go to a mirror check to see if your face is symmetrical for example, is your eye or mouth drooping on one side?
next, raise your eyebrows, do they both raise symmetrically
next,hows your vision?any blind spots (or other abnormalities in your vision that weren't there before?
next,smile to show your teeth,is your smile symmetrical? (or is one side not smiling at all)
next, stick out your tongue and move it side to side
next, close your eyes hold your arms out in front of you palms up close your eyes count to ten open your eyes has either arm "drifted" downward

congratulations you've just completed a quick neuro check (and i do mean quick)
the most common identifier of a stroke is one sided weakness but there are other smaller signs that call for medical attention as well.
sorry for the long post

and not one remotely of interest

except to alice

who resides in her happy coma

Are you bragging?

did ya hear me? new thread

Fuck you, ono...

Seriously...

Oh and fuck OFF too..

and

Go fuck yourself...

Piss off

kiss my ass

Go to hell..you rat bastard...

mmm..k....

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