Loser

potty mouth yay!!

♡*

what's left but the cuss words after listening to "The Leader of the Free World"?

WTF!!
All That Wiretapping must have gotten something Juicy on her!

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

it's pretty sad how they repay their voters..

Late Update: A full list of all the Dem Senators who voted to condemn MoveOn is after the jump.

Dems voting for the reso:

Baucus
Bayh

Cardin

Carper

Casey

Conrad

Dorgan

Feinstein

Johnson

Klobuchar

Kohl

Landrieu

Leahy

Lieberman

Lincoln

McCaskill

Mikulski

Bill Nelson

Ben Nelson

Pryor

Salazar

Tester

Webb

Where do the Republicans get these guys?
Submitted by bibimimi on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 2:32pm.

Atchison's boss, Gregory R. Miller, is a Bush appointee. He's falling all over himself to explain this. Atchison is also an appointee.

I guess it's a minor point, but there he goes and tries to string himself up and draws attention to himself again.

schadenfraude, did i spell it right? ffff it.

fuckstein jbenet wants to fuck me up...you right bibimimi seriously...every day every day...all this shit is just not coming to an end man.....i dont know what to do...cursing is a healer for me....i dont give a poop...

AAR and MoveOn and Kos

Not much love from the 2 party system. It hard to be taken as a serious player when both of the main parties condemn your actions. Looks like a very rough road to the 2008 elections for the Internet crowd. Best to keep your stuff hidden on the net far away from the real Americans.

I scan the road for cats when I'm driving and have more than once just thrown it on park in the middle of the street... I think my odds are better here of surviving with cat in hand than where you are... :)

I'm shocked no one ran her over..I had an actor in the local theater (who is here from Jersey City, NJ doing a play) come to the library yesterday and he said "I can't believe how nice everyone is here.."

Have A Nice Day. ;)

Ya Loser !

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

In the end, it is the real Americans that decides who is elected.

there has to be a strategy to get around the neocons using the troops as hostages.

everything he ever wishes for makes it to the floor....he really is a witch doctor....he blows powder on all the senators and they melt....

By Eric Kleefeld - September 20, 2007, 2:47PM

Now this is curious. In the latest Gallup poll, more Republicans approve of the job Congress is doing than there are Democrats who approve. According to the poll, 37% of Republicans approve of Congress' performance, compared to 23% of Democrats and 14% of independents, with an overall rating of 24% approval and 71% disapproval.

This is odd, of course, considering that both houses have Democratic majorities. But on second thought, the current Congress has passed President Bush's funding requests for Iraq, passed his FISA bill, and has given the White House exactly what it wanted on a host of other issues. So what do Republicans really have to complain about?

you in trouble....oooo

Panel: Landis Must Forfeit Cycling Title

PARIS — Floyd Landis lost his expensive and explosive doping case Thursday when arbitrators upheld the results of a test that showed the 2006 Tour de France champion used synthetic testosterone to fuel his spectacular comeback victory, The Associated Press has learned. The decision means Landis, who repeatedly has denied using performance-enhancing drugs, must forfeit his Tour de France title and is subject to a two-year ban, retroactive to Jan. 30, 2007.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070920/cyc-landis-decision/

‘Giving’ and Taking
by Chris Hedges http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/09/17/3898/

FUCK THE DEMS

trouble maker!!!

James Moore
My Role in Rathergate
Posted September 20, 2007 | 02:40 PM (EST)

Okay, I'm tired of talking about this. But it needs clarification one more time.

When I was doing research on George W. Bush's close encounter with the Texas Air National Guard, I kept getting directed to a former guard officer named Bill Burkett. According to numerous people in the Texas Guard, Burkett had a story that needed to be told and also he was credible. I called him and he related the now infamous tale of witnessing a Guard employee scrubbing the president's service record files to hide his poor performance and possible grounding as a pilot. Burkett also claimed to have overhead a speakerphone conversation with the commander of the Texas Guard and Joe Allbaugh, Bush's gubernatorial chief of staff, as they discussed "cleaning up Bush's files."

I began looking into Bush's Guard history in 1994 after I asked him a question about it as a panelist during a live televised gubernatorial debate he had with Ann Richards. The question of how he got into the Guard seemed relevant to me because it spoke to questions of privilege. A lot of young men in my generation were trying to sign up for the Guard to avoid combat in Vietnam and we were consistently told of waiting lists 2-5 years in length. Bush, however, seemingly walked up and got a coveted slot as a pilot. Taxpayers spent almost a million dollars training him to fly jets even though there were hundreds of pilots home from Southeast Asia who would have jumped at the chance to fill the slot and keep their certificates current.

I received 161 pages of FOIA documents on Bush's service from a third party. None of them offered much detail regarding his service. Sources kept referring me to Burkett. His story needed witnesses. He gave me the name of a colleague he said was with him at the time he witnessed the scrubbing at Camp Mabry in Austin and I contacted him via email. The man (his name has been widely-reported by me and others and I see no reason to further complicate his life here) did not directly confirm Burkett's details of the scrubbing but said the Texas officer was "an honorable and honest man" and that when he spoke he "told the truth." This individual was at that time a civilian employee of the U.S. military in Europe. He later changed his story, and there are any number of obvious causes for that decision.

During the course of several conversations with Bill Burkett, on the telephone and in person, the retired Guardsmen seemed credible and not likely to make up a fanciful story. I checked with several people about his reputation, and even the commander of the Texas Guard, Gen. Danny James, spoke glowingly of Burkett. However, Burkett clearly despised the president and leaders of the Texas National Guard because of a dispute over his health care benefits. Burkett said he had fallen ill when assigned to Panama to help the U.S. Army close down a fort and had been denied health care when he was no longer able to work. Guard and Army officials disputed his story.

More here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-moore/my-role-in-rathergate_b_65222.ht...

Mike Stark's diary :: ::
The simple fact is that we were just stomped on and thrown under the bus. Over 20 Democrats agreed with a unified republican caucus that you and I and 3.2 million MoveOn members are dirty scumbags for questioning a sock-puppet of a general that spouted lie after propagandistic lie. Repeating: our friends just punched us in the gut and kicked us in the nuts.

How long do you think it will take them to come asking us for money? These shameless bastards are probably already composing the emails...

I've been waiting for this moment - it's been a long time coming. In preparation, I registered the domain names, "WeAreYourBase.com", "SpeakWithOneVoice.org [and] .net" and I've researched the cost of purchasing NotOneRedCent.com.

I've spoken with the netroots leaders Matt Stoller and Chris Bowers. They support this idea.

We are forming a donors' union and going on strike.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/20/104634/134

Doesn't look like you have any representation. Why is that?

Not One Red Cent

http://www.actblue.com/page/notoneredcent

Subverting Majority Rule

By Robert Borosage on September 20, 2007 - 12:38pm.
The Republican obstruction campaign continues. Yesterday, the Republican minority in the Senate filibustered and blocked two measures that had majority support in the House, and bipartisan majority support in the Senate. Republicans continue to filibuster at a pace three times anything ever seen before, in a systematic effort to block popular reforms.

Fifty-six Senators, including six Republicans, supported the resolution offered by Sen. James Webb, D-Va., and Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., to guarantee the soldiers fighting in Iraq adequate home rotations. This sensible bill – vital to the mental health and readiness of the soldiers on the front line – was blocked because the remaining Republican senators lined up with their leadership to filibuster it.

Similarly, 56 Senators, including six Republicans, supported the legislation introduced by Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., and Sen. Arlen Spector, R-Pa., to restore the fundamental right of court review for those detained under suspicion of terrorism. Once more the will of the bipartisan majority was subverted by the filibuster strategy of a partisan minority.

Republicans are filibustering so many bills that the press has begun to cover this extreme tactic as business as usual. The front-page Washington Post story covering the Webb proposal is headlined “Senate bill short of sixty votes needed.” The article says the proposal “failed on a 56 to 44 vote, with 60 votes needed for passage.” The article never tells the reader that the reason majority rule was frustrated was because of a Republican filibuster that requires 60 votes to overcome.

The New York Times coverage – “GOP minority prevails” is the subtitle – was somewhat better. In its fourth paragraph, the article reports that the proposal “fell four votes short of the 60 needed to prevent a filibuster.” In fact, the 60 votes are needed to overcome a filibuster, not prevent it. Both papers reported the filibuster correctly on the habeas corpus legislation.

http://commonsense.ourfuture.org/subverting_majority_rule

I need to convert the audio into a format I can post. Please be patient.

Clinton 41.2%

Obama 22.6%

Edwards 14.7%

Richardson 3.7%

Stop Blaming The Baby Boomers
by Dean Baker
Deal with long-term budget problems by fixing our health care system, not by gutting Social Security and Medicare.

http://ga3.org/ct/c7w_p5610XKJ/

Truly disgusting. Reid should have his head handed to him for even allowing this on the floor for a vote.

A full list of all the Dem Senators who voted to condemn MoveOn...

Baucus Bayh Cardin Carper Casey Conrad
Dorgan Feinstein Johnson Klobuchar Kohl
Landrieu Leahy Lieberman Lincoln McCaskill
Mikulski Bill Nelson Ben Nelson Pryor
Salazar Tester Webb

There'll be a piece somewhere (FDL, Digby, Greenwald, etc.) discussing these Tories entitled:

In the Company of Lieberman

*spit*

*

Later, kids.

Why We Can't Wait
by Rick Perlstein
Washington is telling MoveOn to shut up. That's not surprising: they always tell the most effective truthtellers for justice to shut up.

http://ga3.org/ct/B7w_p5610XKV/

SCHIP: Our Voices Are Being Heard
by Bill Scher
Despite conservative attempts at misinformation, Republican opposition to children's health insurance may be crumbling.

http://ga3.org/ct/cdw_p5610XK-/

We face the prospect of having two families govern the country for 16 years. The system is rigged. Our democracy is a consumer fraud. The government has given up any pretense of serving the interests of citizens. The corporations rule. And for all Clinton’s charm and talent for self-promotion, he is largely to blame.

Chris Hedges

But NAFTA, which took effect in 1994, had the curious effect of reversing every one of Clinton’s rosy predictions. Once the Mexican government lifted price supports on corn and beans for Mexican farmers, they had to compete against the huge agribusinesses in the United States. The Mexican farmers were swiftly bankrupted. At least 2 million Mexican farmers were driven off their land from 1993 through 2002. And guess where many of them went? This desperate flight of Mexicans into the United States is being exacerbated by large-scale factory closures along the border as manufacturers leave Mexico for the cut-rate embrace of China’s totalitarian capitalism.

.

From that view point, you might be able to explain why AAR has failed. Or it could be real American deplore what goes on behind the veil of the Internet.

US-led forces in Iraq say they have arrested an Iranian officer operating in the north of the country.
They say the man was a member of the Quds Force - an elite unit of Iran's Revolutionary Guards - and was detained in the Kurdish city of Sulaimaniya.

"This individual has been involved in transporting improvised explosive devices," the American military said. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7004801.stm

Diane Feinstein..

When exactly did you Join The Republican Party?!

Voting to Denounce MovOn.org's Betrayus Ad?!

Come on..They were trying to put some Honesty into the debate!

Your votes over the last year,or so are Headscratchers to say the least!!

Your FISA Bill Vote!

When are ya going to Fix That?
Like you said you would?! Never?

How did the moveon comdenation bill ever make it to the floor?
There has to be a strategy to get around the neocons using the troops as hostages.

What The Heck Is Wrong With You?

Sometimes you have to wonder..It can't only be that she is more concerned with her re-election,than what is the best for the country!

It's pretty sad how You repay Your voters..

I'll be Voting for Anyone but you,the next election!

Unless,you Stop being the West Coasts Joe Lie-berman!

Please Stop Funding The Iraq War!!
Please Impeach Bush,and Cheney!!

Thank you,..

Ps.left out the part about the Republican Wiretapping getting something on her.
I was worried the Black-boots would come a knockin!

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

emails very often....sorry man....

i am right there with you....Move-on you can have my tithes.....

Brazil.

More than a hundred people from Ruweished have been granted asylum there. They will be the last refugees to leave the camp. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7004572.stm

It was a hot summer in 2007 – one of the hottest on record. But the summer heat was totally eclipsed by the record amount of fear and panic felt by the masses as the mainstream media dropped one big “fear bomb” after another on investors from July through September.

A picture is worth a thousand words, so here’s a graphic depiction of just how much fear there was in the summer of ’07. It shows a record spike in public short sales this summer as the average trader reacted to the barrage of negative and crisis-related news stories by betting the farm on a system-wide financial collapse. So far those short positions haven’t paid off and if Tuesday’s response to the Fed lowering interest rates was any indication, those short positions won’t pay off.

Here’s a press clipping I saved from one of the media’s many scare tactics of the past summer: the so-called “Bin Laden Option Trade.” According to a widely circulated article across many Internet sites, an unknown trader placed an options bet on S&P 500 put and call options that won’t pay off unless there is an extremely large price move in the S&P between now and the end of September. Another press report claims that a “mystery trader” has placed a put option bet that the Dow Jones Eurostoxx50 index will crash by 25% by options expiration day this month. These high-profile “mystery” trades were just some of the fear tactics used by several independent and mainstream media outlets to conjure up images of another 9/11-type terrorist episode. Indeed, Halloween was early in coming this year for many.

I predict the promoters of this particular fear campaign will simply put their hands in their pockets, walk away and whistle a rousing rendition of “Dixie,” all the while conveniently forgetting they ever made such dire predictions in the first place. Their mission was accomplished: they convinced millions of everyday investors and observers to hit the panic button and run for cover while they, the fear promoters, profited immensely on the very fear they engendered.

Before any major trend in crowd psychology finally exhausts itself there’s always one final move that seems to take the prevailing emotion of the crowd and compress it into last explosion of emotion. Call it the “last hurrah” or the final “blow-off” in the crowd’s extreme pessimism of the past year. It’s a necessary cathartic exercise as the crowd releases all that pent-up fear and emotion in one final “whoosh” before finally letting it go. And when the crowd finally catches its breath after its summer scare-fest and its collective sanity returns, it is only then that the crowd will realize what it feared most didn’t come to pass. Indeed, the exact opposite will have transpired. It will then realize the truth of the old maxim, “The anticipation of fear is often worse than that which is feared.” After this realization sets in, the crowd will slowly lose its fear and begin adjusting its attitude to suit the current investment climate, a climate which is increasingly bullish. .....

http://news.silverseek.com/SilverSeek/1190151813.php

terrorists call them what you may immigrate into the US ghettode fender...jeez, what else do want from us?

Why We Can't Wait by Rick
Submitted by toniD on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 3:25pm.
Why We Can't Wait
by Rick Perlstein
Washington is telling MoveOn to shut up. That's not surprising: they always tell the most effective truthtellers for justice to shut up.

http://ga3.org/ct/B7w_p5610XKV/
*******
She sends back form emails,Lucille..

Oh,Forgot!
Except the time I gave her a earfull for her FISA Bill Vote!!
She sent me back aton of stuff saying how she was going to fix FISA.Just you wait,BS!

Good article Toni! :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

(An Arab Perspective)
http://www.zmag.org/content/print_article.cfm?itemID=13822&sectionID=15

http://www.zmag.org/content/print_article.cfm?itemID=13824&sectionID=10

please post it for me to read....

Scott Ritter's latest book on strategizing for the anti-war movement, Waging Peace, makes no mention of the very unpeaceful situation in Palestine-Israel. MoveOn.org and other political organizations give little indication that they have ever even heard of Palestine. The same for liberal talk radio hosts on Air America, particularly Thom Hartmann and Randi Rhodes. Grassroots initiatives such as the Declaration of Peace make no mention of Palestine and the very preventable tragedy evolving there. None of the excellent films about the Bush administration's aggression around the world -- neither Fahrenheit 9/11, nor Uncovered, nor Hijacking Catastrophe, nor No End in Sight, nor any of the others that have come out in the last several years -- contains a word about the very large part Israel plays in the U.S. imperial machine or about the carte blanche that U.S. war-mongering has given Israel to step up its oppression of the Palestinians and its murder of the Palestinian nation...
http://www.counterpunch.org/christison09202007.html

put humpty back together again????N-I-C-E!

I have the file ready. I'll make the mp3 available as soon as I can make it transportable. It's huge right now.

“I am worried that the collapse of home prices might turn out to be the most severe since the Great Depression,” said Shiller, a Yale University professor and author who developed one of the leading national indices for home prices. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/19833.html

You should be fine even with only 10% equity unless you lose your income ghettodefender. It won't be as bad as the depression as some say. It will be more like the nasty Nixon years.

Thanks !! :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

In their new book on the Israel lobby, John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt provide masses of evidence revealing Israel's and the lobby's role in pushing for and enthusiastically backing the Iraq war. Indeed, the war was heralded by its neocon proponents as a path to Palestinian capitulation ("the path to Jerusalem goes through Baghdad") -- the idea being that by defeating and humiliating Saddam Hussein and Iraq, the U.S. would so intimidate the Palestinians that they would surrender easily to Israel. But the peace community studiously avoids recognizing the Israeli connection to the war. It also studiously ignores the interlocking realities of the U.S.-Israeli relationship when it argues that the Iraq war is the urgent issue these days, that this is where Americans are being killed and this is where protest efforts must be concentrated. One wonders why "peace and justice" did not concern this peace community before the Iraq war, when Palestinians had already been suffering injustice and oppression at the hands of Israel and the U.S. for decades.

she fucks it up first then promises to
Submitted by Lucille on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 4:08pm.
put humpty back together again????N-I-C-E!
*******
MMRules when she replies you
Submitted by Lucille on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 4:00pm.
please post it for me to read....
_______
Np Lucille!

I have about 20 saying why it wouldn't be Prudent to Impeach Bush,and Cheney now!
If ya want to see that BS?

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

then we will all be at peace listening to bob marley and elvis presley.....YYYYYYAAAAARRRRRGHHHH!

http://www.counterpunch.org/grossman09192007.html

The chlorine in the human gene pool.

McConnell: That's Right, Openness Kills Americans
By Spencer Ackerman - September 20, 2007, 3:50PM

Last month, in an interview with the El Paso Times, Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell said that openly debating changes to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act -- changes requested by none other than McConnell himself -- would mean that "some Americans are going to die." At first it seemed like an unfortunate bit of demagoguery. At a hearing today of the House intelligence committee, though, McConnell again anticipated bodies piling up in the streets as the direct consequence of discussing the McConnell's favored revisions to FISA. From Reuters:

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004249.php

then we will all be at peace listening to bob marley and elvis presley.....YYYYYYAAAAARRRRRGHHHH!

Won't the LPs melt?

Can't wait!! :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

i beg you pretty please!!!

underground!!

about the president's speech today.

Gp get him Keith!!!

You can sign the MoveOn petition:

elvis and marley are
new
Submitted by Lucille on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 4:23pm.
underground!!

That's cute!

Pentagon delays security handover in Iraq. For the second time this year, “the target date for putting Iraqi authorities in charge of security in all 18 provinces has slipped yet again, to at least next July.” The delay highlights “the difficulties in developing Iraqi police forces and the slow pace of economic and political progress.”

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/09/20/america/NA-GEN-US-Iraq-Handove...

oops my bad!!!but at firedoglake they have a petition that awaits your signature....maybe one of yourll smarties can bring it over here!

thanks, back at you!!!

Submitted by Lucille on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 4:20pm.
McConnell: That's Right, Openness Kills Americans
By Spencer Ackerman - September 20, 2007, 3:50PM
*******
of these Intelligence Clowns and,JR.ofcourse,who got us into the Huge Mess.
What and,Whom Can You Really Believe Anymore!!

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Congress-Lovin' Republicans
Since President Bush's poll numbers have been in the toilet for something like forever at this point, Republicans (and various pundit sycophants) have desperately clung to Congress's extremely low levels of approval. In many polls, Congress's numbers are actually lower than the president's.

But Eric Kleefeld's got a great catch here: According to the latest Gallup poll, more Republicans approve of Congress's performance than Democrats. Actually, by a pretty substantial amount. So while it's not at all good news for elected Democrats, it's pretty clearly even worse news for Republicans, since the real energy behind Congress's unpopularity seems to stem from Democrats who don't believe the Congress is being aggressive enough in standing up to President Bush.

--Josh Marshall

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/09/poll_more_republicans_than_democra...

Thousands protest racial injustice in US South

Thousands of demonstrators filled the streets of a small Louisiana town Thursday protesting the racial injustice of stiff criminal charges lodged against a group of black students who beat up a white student in a school fight.

The fight followed months of racial tensions after a black student tried to cross the schoolyard's invisible color line and sit under the "white tree" and was met the next morning by nooses hanging from the tree.

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Thousands_protest_racial_injustice__0920200...

Yea I got equity. I raise shiitakes and potatoes. At least back in the Nixon era, I had fish-- and weed.

my blood's is so mad it feels like coagulating
i'm sitting here just contemplating
i can't twist the truth it knows no regulation
and a handful of senators don't pass legislation

Lucille?

It's just blah,blah,blah.Wouldn't be Prudent! ;)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

you never refuse an offer....

From MoveOn.org:

The U.S. Senate just told you to sit down and be quiet when they passed a Republican amendment condemning MoveOn.

Every day, our brave men and women are dying in a bloody civil war this Senate has done nothing to stop.

Yesterday, they couldn't even pass a bill to give soldiers adequate leave with their families before redeploying.

But they're spending time cracking down on a newspaper ad?

So, we're making clear where America stands.

We're releasing a statement from MoveOn members—and anyone else who feels the same way—saying,

"We will not be quiet, we will fight back. We will keep speaking out until Congress forces an exit plan for this awful war."

Clicking here will add your name:

http://political.moveon.org

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Maybe you liked our General Petraeus ad. Maybe you thought the language went too far.

But make no mistake: this is much bigger than one ad.

It's part of a larger campaign by Fox, the right-wing echo chamber, and Republicans like John McCain (who said we should be "thrown out of the country").

They're doing it because they're hurting: Polls show last week's Bush Administration PR blitz increased the number of Americans favoring withdrawal5 and vulnerable Republicans are sinking lower and lower in the polls (or announcing their retirement).

And it has one purpose: to intimidate all of us.

To send a message that anyone who speaks unpleasant truths about this war will pay. To make everyone—especially politicians—think twice before they accuse the administration of lying.

You can see the resolution text here and the roll call of who voted for it here.

Absurdly, it claims that MoveOn -

"impugns the honor and integrity of ... all the members of the United States Armed Force"

— despite the fact that MoveOn includes hundreds of thousands of veterans and military family members, who've led our campaign to bring our troops home.

Link:

http://www.moveon.org/r?r=2988&id=11268-4187021-lbaukG&t=7

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You can read the ad text and why we ran it here:

http://www.moveon.org/r?r=2987&id=11268-4187021-lbaukG&t=8

____________

Please show your support!

This is a great time to join too!

Thanks!

ghettodefender.

Unfortunately, it looks like my audio conversion only worked for the first 10 minutes. I have no tools for that at work. It will take me 2 hrs to get that fixed.

You think you could hop on your guitar and send Sam some original music to lead into the Sam and Marc show? Put your talent to work Mr. Let's see if he plays it?

Don't you do that too? Send the man an intro. His last intro was kinda choppy.

What,does The Truth Hurt?!
Show some Backbone Democratic Congress!
The People Want,and deserve The Truth!
Not some Dog,and Pony Show!!

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

since the real energy behind Congress's unpopularity seems to stem from Democrats who don't believe the Congress is being aggressive enough in standing up to President Bush.

Fuck, these people are behind. I said that to CM weeks ago.

And I beat toniDeee to two posts today!

Yippee! Yay!

(sorry toni, it's a cheap thrill when I actually can do that)

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/09/17/3898/

The bottom line is that the Democrats, including John Edwards, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, will never govern on our behalf. They are hostage to those who put them in power. And it is not us. Until we throw our weight behind fringe candidates such as Dennis Kucinich or Ralph Nader, if he runs, we will continue to be fleeced by corporate pawns such as the Clintons and the Bushes. It is no longer possible to argue between the lesser of two evils. The corporate state, which is carrying out a coup d’etat in slow motion and has already shredded most of our constitutional rights, is an unmitigated evil. We do not need charity. We need justice. And all of Bill Clinton’s heart-warming stories about giving are not going to save us from the corporations who sucked out his soul and seek to imprison the rest of us.

Sam will most likely throw his weight on the D nominee...since he thinks some wars are ok...and if he does...(unless it's Kucinich)...I'm afraid I would have to turn him off for good...Mainstream elections are as sucky as the mainstream left.

.

Yes I do..
But,I'm not smart enough yet on figuring out how to get my Guitar Music from
my Guitar,and Amp through to the Internets!
I would if I could!
Hell,I can barely write a sentence sometimes,as you can see! :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

but that's how I feel right now...even his making jokes and criticisms to D's don't make up for not backing a full on pro peace candidate...imho

change...

sleep tight....i need a drink....phew..

this is not news..

Getting ready for work.

At least it got posted. That's the important thing.

“Iraq and the Betrayal of Trust”

by George Lakoff

Excerpts:

MoveOn's "General Betray Us?" ad has raised vital questions that need open discussion. MoveOn hit a nerve.

In the face of truth, the right-wing has been forced to change the subject — away from the administration’s betrayal of trust and the escalating tragedy of the occupation to of all things, an ad!

To take the focus off maiming and death and the breaking of our military, they talk about etiquette. The truth has reduced them to whining: MoveOn was impolite.

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Betrayal is a moral issue, and with respect to war, mass destruction, maiming, and death, it is a moral issue of the highest order. Betraying trust is a matter of deception that knowingly leads to significant harm.

There is little doubt that the Iraq War and its aftermath have done considerable harm — to our troops, to the Iraqi people, and to our nation as whole.

It is equally clear that there has been a considerable amount of deception in the instigation of the war and throughout the occupation. In short, there has been, and continues to be, a considerable betrayal of trust. It goes well beyond the general and the fudging of his figures.

The issue is this:

What were the acts of betrayal and with what consequences? And is a betrayal of trust still going on, and if so where, how, and by whom?

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The conservatives' rewriting of history in Vietnam hinges on the myth of liberal betrayal, that by not being strong, liberals betrayed America in Vietnam.

The same myth is being perpetrated. This is a strategy for hiding their own betrayal of trust. Bring it up and you will be marked as not supporting the troops, as being weak, as surrendering, as "defeatist." It is name-calling.

What we need is a serious discussion of facts, from the perspective of who is being harmed, and who, in a position of authority, has been creating serious harm to our troops and to our nation by being deceptive. That is the Betrayal of Trust issue.

Link:

http://www.rockridgeinstitute.org/research/lakoff/iraq-and-the-betrayal-...

Later gators!

I can only imagine...

It's like getting beat up by your boyfriend and still hoping he will change..

Sounds like the name of a song! :)

Thank you for your letter concerning impeachment proceedings against President Bush. I appreciate the time you took to write and welcome the opportunity to respond.

In our recent elections, the American people expressed clear disapproval with the path this country was on. They are tired of partisan politics and of an Administration that pays little heed to the wishes of the American people. They want-and deserve-a Congress that holds the Administration accountable and fulfills its Constitutional responsibility to check and balance the Executive. I share this sentiment and am determined to work hard and across party lines in the United States Senate to promote issues that are of real concern to most Americans, including the situation in Iraq and Afghanistan, homeland security, global warming, and lobbying and election reform.

At this time, however, I believe that impeachment proceedings against President Bush will only divide the country even further, frustrating our hopes for a meaningful change in direction, while having little chance of success.

I have been deeply disappointed by many of this Administration's actions and have been outspoken in those instances. Nevertheless, given the challenges our country faces I believe that we need to focus on constructive and cooperative steps that would lead us in the right direction.

Again, thank you for your continued correspondence. If you have any further questions or comments, please contact my office in Washington, D.C. at (202) 224-3841. Best regards.

Sincerely yours,

Dianne Feinstein
United States Senator
*******
Yea like voting for The FISA Bill!
And,Voting Against MoveOn.Org!
Pleasseeee!!

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

for not speaking out at the time a person in his audience was being tasered...

SO FUCK HIM.

Fuck him for being a wimp then and Fuck him for being a wimp now...(as irelevant as he is)

And OBVIOUSLY fuck the tasering police...DUH.

you think she wrote that all by herself, MM?

Her deep dissapointment must be so...moving...

*gak!*

oh well..

Back to work...

WELL WORTH THE READING TIME:

US exceptionalism meets Team Jesus
Interview by Tom Engelhardt
One reason we're in Iraq today is because, in the 1990s, the left was split on the question of American violence, the proper use of American power. It was split over the issue of what was called "humanitarian intervention". There are times, it was argued, when the forceful exercise of American power is necessary for the sake of humanitarian causes. Human rights, beginning in [president] Jimmy Carter's day, became a new form of American religion. If conservatives go abroad speaking the language of freedom, liberals go abroad speaking the language of human rights. And if we have to destroy a nation so that it can exercise human rights, so be it. That's why, in the early days of the Iraq war, so many surprising people supported it.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/II21Ak02.html

Equity, Fernando?
Submitted by ghettodefender on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 4:31pm.
Yea I got equity. I raise shiitakes and potatoes. At least back in the Nixon era, I had fish-- and weed.

my blood's is so mad it feels like coagulating
i'm sitting here just contemplating
i can't twist the truth it knows no regulation
and a handful of senators don't pass legislation
*******
Loved it!! :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Sam will most likely throw his weight on the D nominee...since he thinks some wars are ok...and if he does...(unless it's Kucinich)...I'm afraid I would have to turn him off for good...Mainstream elections are as sucky as the mainstream left.

Some wars are ok. For instance, CLASS WAR! Stop this predatory, energy-sucking, creativity killing classist, racist, patriarchal capitalist system.

Off to our hotel rendezvous.

Fuck, these people are behind.

You realize I meant the author of that article and not you personally, right?

God knows we've been bitchin' about the Dem's im-pot-ence for a long time. Congress' disapproval rating actually refutes the annoying anon's claim that the we aren't with the "rest of the country," hell, we ARE the rest of the country... call us the 89% percent-ers who are just plain sick to death of all of 'em.

ttfn~

Nobel Peace Prize awarded to Doctors Without Borders Doctors Without Borders, or Médecins sans Frontières, was founded in Paris in 1971 by a small group of French doctors.

Bernard Kouchner, one of the group's founders and now U.N. head in Kosovo, told French radio, "I'm deeply moved, and I'm thinking of all the people who died without aid, of all those who died waiting for someone to knock on their door." http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9910/15/nobel.02/

THE world should "prepare for war" with Iran, the French Foreign Minister, Bernard Kouchner, said on Sunday, escalating tensions over the country's nuclear program.

Mr Kouchner said that while "we must negotiate right to the end" with Iran, if Tehran possessed an atomic weapon it would represent "a real danger for the whole world" and the world should "prepare for the worst … which is war".
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add...

Cicero sez:

Salus populi suprema lex esto!

("the welfare of the people is to be the highest law")

(Quoted by John Locke in "On Civil Government")

http://www.backbonecampaign.org/

******

Fiat justitia, ruat caelum!

(Let justice be done, even though the heavens fall!)

n.b. The falling sky clause occurs in the passage of Terence, suggesting that it was a common saying in his time,

“Quid si redeo ad illos qui aiunt, ‘Quid si nunc cœlum ruat?’”

“What if I have recourse to those who say, ‘What now if the sky were to fall?”

I don't know how many times you have been told the Democrats want nothing to do with the radical Internet left. Cindy found this out. AAR figured it out in bankruptcy court. Now MoveOn learned the lesson. You won't do the hard work to start a third party, and you sure as hell aren't going to run either in the two party system.

the Sammy & Maron show cuts out at about the 13min mark!
Nothing after that!
Just my computer,or is there a ghost in the machine?
Can ya check it out when you get a chance..Please.. :)
Thanks!

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

MoveOn.org - Latest Update - Show Your Support

Submitted by Star Vox on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 4:35pm.

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http://www.moveon.org/

Let them know we've got their six, you guys.

Even if you're flat broke, hit the link & give them the hit, join, sign the petition(s), send an email.

How about making a phone call to one of the Tory Senators or your Senator & BITCH!

These are toll-free #'s to the US Senate Switchboard. Ask for ANY Senator by name or state & the operator will connect you.

(800) 828-0498
(800) 614-2803
(866) 340-9281
(866) 338-1015
(877) 851-6437

Here are the Tory dems who voted to condemn MoveOn:

Baucus Bayh Cardin Carper Casey Conrad
Dorgan Feinstein Johnson Klobuchar Kohl
Landrieu Leahy Lieberman Lincoln McCaskill
Mikulski Bill Nelson Ben Nelson Pryor
Salazar Tester Webb

If you want to know more about them (or any Senator), their gov't sites are at:

http://www.senate.gov/

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Like they say in sotto voice at the end of every Brave New Films short...

Psssst...do something!

Oh, blah blah blah. Far too many times by you, Mr. 11% percent-er.

ciao~

Its in the source file I got. My second conversion just crapped out. The file I have is bad.

maybe that will work MMR? Let me know if you see the file anywhere.

wassup Blog, L@L, GBC, etc

so I'm up on a Sunday night, baking & watching adult swim as usual when all of a sudden I'm watching some show called, "Lucy, Daughter of the Devil" and I see Sam Seder in the credits.... how about giving us a heads up Seder?!?!?!?!
It's good to see Sam's name on the tube

love to stay but gotta be ghost,

later blog, hope to hear Sam on the

weekdays again like I did on Monday,

Shalom/Paz/Peace/Salam

Fernando! :)
I thought you were talking about the Mp3 file.Another form of the rebroadcast.
Then Nevermind..
Take your time!
Thanks for doing all this extra work!
I'll be quite now! :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Hi/Bye & Peace!

I dunno 'bout Sammer sometimes...psychic overload, maybe. I remember the first time we saw him on Olbermann & then bitched at 'em for no heads-up, he said, "I forgot."

Sheesh!

NOTICE: To anyone who may have recorded this weeks pilot of Sam and Marc.

Please send a copy of the Sam Seder / Marc Maron broadcast this week to rancholaluna@blueblottle.com so I can add it to the widget.

Submitted by Liberal-at-large on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 1:51pm.
[[Regarding:...if the Hsu fits...]]

OK, fess up. How long have you been sandbagin' that one for just this opportunity?
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A few weeks ago when Hsu reappeared, I read an article about him and wondered how to pronounce his name. Soon thereafter I heard a radio article about him. I filed a mental pun note for future use.

Patience is one of my few virtues although I admit that I nearly set up the joke for myself on several occasions. The pun competition around here is brutal and I knew that it was only a matter of time before someone beat me to the punch...line.

The Nation

President Bush has made it clear that he does not read newspapers. And there is little reason to believe that the chief executive spends much time viewing serious news programs before his twilight bedtime.

So it is a bit surprising that he has kept up with the controversy surrounding the MoveOn.org advertisement in the New York Times that urged General David Petraeus, the U.S. commander in Iraq, to put aside administration talking points and speak blunt and necessary truths when he briefed Congress last week.

It is even more surprising that the commander-in-chief would in an official setting take the extraordinary step of attacking the advertisement and the group that placed it.

But so Bush did on Thursday in what will rank as one of the more remarkable -- and politically petty -- moments of a remarkable and politically-petty presidency.

In the New York Times advertisement, MoveOn proposed the anything-but-radical notion that a failure of frankness on the general's part would be a betrayal of the troops and the country. That's hardly an unreasonable suggestion, coming as it does at a critical stage in the occupation when young men and women from the United States are dying at a rate of one every ten hours and when $200 billion is removed from the federal treasury each day to maintain what is so obviously a failed mission.

But the president was upset, and he showed it. Tossed a typical soft-ball question at a presidential press conference Thursday morning, Bush responded by saying, "I thought that the ad was disgusting. I felt like the ad was an attack, not only on General Petraeus, but on the U.S. military. And I was disappointed that not more leaders in the Democrat Party spoke out strongly against that kind of ad. That leads me to come to this conclusion: that most Democrats are afraid of irritating a left-wing group like MoveOn.org -- are more afraid of irritating them than they are of irritating the United States military. That was a sorry deal. And it's one thing to attack me. It's another thing to attack somebody like General Petraeus." ......

Free Democracy

L@L,

One more little tidbit; before I learned how to correctly pronounce "Hsu," I was hoping that I might have fodder for a parody version of A Boy Named Sue.

...so I guess I was sandbagging even before I was sandbagging.

http://pressroom.pbs.org/programs/the_candidates_2008

THE CANDIDATES 2008
Judy Woodruff moderates two live debates among the major parties' presidential candidates. The first forum, featuring Democratic presidential candidates, will be presented live from the Adler Theater in Davenport, Iowa, on Thursday, September 20, 8:00-9:30 p.m. ET on PBS. Both debates will take place in Iowa — a critical stop for the presidential campaigns, since the Iowa caucuses are expected to be the first state contests of the 2008 primary season. The debates focus on health care and financial security. The second forum, featuring Republican presidential candidates, will be presented live from the Orpheum Theater in Sioux City, Iowa, on Thursday, October 25, 8:00-9:30 p.m. ET on PBS.

Tis a tough crowd 'round here, too!

Not a word about "Sabot_age," in response to "...if the Hsu fits...," either.

And as for your having "Patience is one of my few virtues...": I envision you in dark room, leaning over your KB, vulture-like, a la Schultz' Snoopy on top of his dog house, scanning the comments, ready to pounce on some unsuspecting poster who neglects Rule #2. ; )

I won't mince words: glorifying the military -- placing it above reproach, suggesting that it is inappropriate to question its officers on the same terms as we question civilian leaders -- is a giant step towards fascism. In condemning the anti-MoveOn resolution, Barbara Boxer said: ""This is the United States of America. We don't condemn single ads or organizations. We condemn every attack on the glory of our military." I don't hold members of the military responsible for the decision to invade Iraq, but when we forget that they're serving in an illegal, immoral and unpopular war, and talk about how we have to condemn any attack on the military's "glory," we're getting into serious Kim Jong Il territory. http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/63160/

L@L,
I like the sabot reference. I've used it several times. It never rates an ovation for some reason. (It just goes to show how weak the American labor unions have become in the eyes of the average Joe.)

Droning on "live" on CSPAN 2 right now.

By MICHAEL KINSLEY

Goodness gracious. oh, my paws and whiskers. Some of the meanest, most ornery hombres around are suddenly feeling faint. Notorious tough guys are swooning with the vapors. The biggest beasts in the barnyard are all aflutter over something they read in the New York Times. It's that ad from MoveOn.org — the one that calls General David Petraeus, the head of U.S. forces in Iraq, general betray us. All across the radio spectrum, right-wing shock jocks are themselves shocked. How could anybody say such a thing? It's horrifying. It's outrageous. It's disgraceful. It's just beyond the pale ... It's ... oh, my heavens ... say, is it a bit stuffy in here? ... I think I'm going to ... Could I have a glass of ... oh, dear [thud].

Welcome to the wonderful world of umbrage, the new language of American politics. You would not have thought that the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly would be so sensitive. Sticks and stones and so on. Yet they all seem to have taken one look at that ad and fainted dead away. And when they came round, they demanded — as if with one voice (or at least as if with one list of talking points) — that every Democratic presidential candidate must "condemn" this shocking, shocking document.

The ad is pretty tough, and the pun on the general's name is pretty witless. You could argue that since the verb betray and the noun traitor have the same root, the ad is accusing the head of American forces in Iraq of treason. The ad can also be interpreted — more plausibly if you consider the rest of the text — merely as questioning the general's honesty, not his patriotism. But whatever your interpretation of the ad, all the gasping for air and waving of scented handkerchiefs among the war's most enthusiastic supporters is pretty comical.........

tonight is about the Betrayus ad. As if.

Dear MoveOn Member,

The U.S. Senate just told you to sit down and be quiet when they passed a Republican amendment condemning MoveOn.1

Every day, our brave men and women are dying in a bloody civil war this Senate has done nothing to stop. Yesterday, they couldn't even pass a bill to give soldiers adequate leave with their families before redeploying.2 But they're spending time cracking down on a newspaper ad?

So, we're making clear where America stands. We're releasing a statement from MoveOn members—and anyone else who feels the same way—saying, "We will not be quiet, we will fight back. We will keep speaking out until Congress forces an exit plan for this awful war."

Clicking here will add your name:

http://pol.moveon.org/fightback/o.pl?id=11268-5102328-t9hAUv&t=3

Maybe you liked our General Petraeus ad.3 Maybe you thought the language went too far. But make no mistake: this is much bigger than one ad.

It's part of a larger campaign by Fox, the right-wing echo chamber, and Republicans like John McCain (who said we should be "thrown out of the country").4

They're doing it because they're hurting: Polls show last week's Bush Administration PR blitz increased the number of Americans favoring withdrawal5 and vulnerable Republicans are sinking lower and lower in the polls (or announcing their retirement).

And it has one purpose: to intimidate all of us. To send a message that anyone who speaks unpleasant truths about this war will pay. To make everyone—especially politicians—think twice before they accuse the administration of lying.

If it looks like we're on the run, people will think twice before they speak out. Will you send a message today to Dick Cheney, Fox, Bill O'Reilly, John McCain, Rudy Giuliani, Karl Rove—and the Democrats without the guts to vote against this—that it's not working?

We've changed our home page to just run the names of people who sign on. We'll report the totals to the media all day. And if we can find an electronic billboard in Washington, D.C., we'll run the names there, too.

And after you add your name, you can go one step further. We've put together a fair but hard-hitting ad that highlights how, yesterday, Republicans blocked a bill to give our troops adequate family leave before going back to Iraq. If we can raise enough money, we'll air this ad across the country and take the fight back to the real issues—this terrible war and its impact on our troops and the Iraqi people.

Clicking here will add your name to our statement:

http://pol.moveon.org/fightback/o.pl?id=11268-5102328-t9hAUv&t=4

This morning, the Senate didn't pass an exit strategy for Iraq. They didn't pass a bill to cover millions of uninsured Americans or combat the climate crisis. Nope—they condemned 3.4 million Americans for speaking out against the war.

Let them know them it's not going to work.

Thank you for all you do, every day, to get the truth out.

–Eli, Aaron, Adam G., Adam R., Anna, Carrie, Daniel, Erik, Ilyse, Jennifer, Joan, Justin, Karin, Laura, Marika, Matt, Natalie, Nita, Noah, Tanya, Tom & Wes
MoveOn.org Political Action
Thursday, September 20th, 2007

SULAIMANIYAH, Iraq — U.S. troops arrested an Iranian man during an early morning raid on a hotel in this northern Iraqi city Thursday and accused him of helping to smuggle a deadly type of roadside bomb into Iraq.

But the Kurdistan Regional Government in a statement called the arrest "illegitimate," said the man was a member of a trade delegation that had been invited to Sulaimaniyah by the local government and demanded that he be released. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/iraq/story/19856.html

I was pretty ticked off.

I railed at them how I was one of the people that paid for that ad and how the Senate had failed to even pass a frickin' extended leave bill for the troops, and they had time to waste on this shit. On top of it, they were going to piss off a lot of people, since MoveOn isn't even a particularly left wing organization since they have 3.3 million + members and they take votes on everything they do. And by the way, is your next act going to be to come and lock us all up? Well here's my name and address...

Schumer's office said he was going to come out against it [I don't know if he made any statement]; and I said it had better be a very strong statement. Clinton's office said she had prepared no public statement yet about it. What a crock.

Fuck you all!

A few million people suddenly got a lot more motivated!

Yesterday I gave $100 to another ad. Just now I gave $50 to another ad.

I guess MoveOn suddenly got a lot more $$ power!

If ever there was an effective time and place to sign your name... it would be now: www.moveon.org .

Please sign up if you haven't already. It takes less time than it takes to make a post.

If each one of you who hasn't signed up already signed you and one friend up, overnight the ranks of people saying "We will not be Quiet!" would rise by millions. It would be such a simple way to be heard and make a difference.

Please.

on MSNBC, re: Dim Son's speech this morning.

Rip 'em a new ass, Keith...and welcome back!

Please Everyone.
Submitted by Catharine on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 8:27pm.
Please.

Thanks for the reminder that KO is on!

Right now I am so angry I could personally rip the entire GOP new assholes.

But, I also know that there are now probably 5 million or even more who are just as angry.

"You shut up now, people"

AND... at 50% of the military is ready to mutiny.

Remember everyone... we outnumber them and they work for us.

is like asking if we have a noses isn't it?

it does seem that simple sometimes...

Yay!

The one and only time I gave money to politics was to Terry Wilke.

Mostly I give money for my cat group....But I do sign a lot of stuff...

their friends.

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looking for people who are MoveOn members here

Submitted by Fernando on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 8:40pm.

is like asking if we have a noses isn't it?

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"a noses"

what?

All you do is sign up and you will get emails. That's it. You can sign on to things as you like. Or don't.

and any time you donate they consider you a member. It's easy. I need to give them money again, it's been a while. It will have to wait however. Broke till next week.

No one represents the fringe. You will always lose a vote that takes the measure of real Americans. Cindy got this message this spring, this is your wake-up call.

Free.

If you get tired of the emails, just cancel.

ha. I didn't notice that...I cop to seeing red at the moment tho...after I blew up here I tried to quit my job...

“Crank Politics”

Excerpts:

There are other, older versions – notably the claim that government is wasting your money on vast armies of useless bureaucrats.

Way back in 1964, in his famous speech on behalf of Barry Goldwater, Reagan talked about how crazy it was that the federal government employed 2.5 million civilian workers; nobody pointed out that two-thirds of those civilians worked either for the Pentagon or for the post office.

Second, Jon talks at some length about the media, and in particular about the Republican ability to get journalists to harp endlessly on supposed character flaws of Democrats, while their own candidates get a free pass. He emphasizes the right-wing echo chamber, but there’s more to it than that.

It’s also – as I can report from my own experience – a result of asymmetrical intimidation. Quite simply, if you point out character flaws in a conservative, there will be an all-out effort, involving major media as well as blogs and talk radio, to discredit and ruin you, personally. This just doesn’t happen on the other side.

So journalists feel that it’s safe to ridicule Democrats, even if the supposed character-defining episode never happened; they choke up and shy away when it comes to Republicans. That’s why even the most grotesque stuff, like Giuliani’s claim that he’s a rescue worker too, or Romney’s remark that his sons are serving the country by helping him become president, doesn’t get picked up.

Third, I’m surprised that Jon doesn’t talk at all about the key political role of race in the political shift in this country.

But Republicans were nonetheless able to win presidential elections, and eventually gain control of Congress, because they were able to exploit the race issue to win political dominance of the South. End of story.

________________

Will this be the story in the next presidential election?

Will immigration and race be central issues in our elections?

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Link:

http://bookclub.tpmcafe.com/blog/bookclub/2007/sep/11/crank_politics

Brezsny's feel good.

I recently dumped a bunch of alert thingies...

But I really actually like you, Catharine. I think you're smart. So I'm going to sign up for that newsletter...

you inspired me! after i read your posts immediately following the moveon ad ... I gave them $$ for their next ad.

I don't usually bother with the likes of 'bots' like you, but you have as good as committed war crimes by saying the tripe you say. You are a cowardly, spineless, murderer.

I hope you meet your just deserts very soon.

world cant wait - revolution books - brezsny - seth group - and the landis list which lists all the names of the soldiers killed in war every single day...and that's all I get now...and now moveon..ok..I can handle it...

Who is it the put Bush in the White House for eight years - The real Americans.

As usual.

But I still want these people to suffer and rot in hell like they deserve.

I know they will eventually. I'm just impatient.

He would smite that pig george.

Oh I will, I will get to watch you burn down the Democrat party as they struggle to get away from you. That is be very just.

You still have not figured out why AAR failed! And you think the Senate would vote to support MoveOn? What little children you all are.

Q1. //Signing is free// but i'm not a member until i donate money?

yes/no

[NB: i will donate $'s next week when i have time to go to the post office.]

I got a whole bunch of emails from people I know from various walks of my life forwarding the email regarding MoveOn onto their (very lengthy) email lists and writing how angry they were about this.

I was surprised, because a lot of them I didn't know were even that political.

stupid don't know about scrubbing the voters. What a moron.

"real" Americans. Jeez. Real Americans watch American Idol and are anesthetized just like silly up there.

Thanks anon. I needed a chuckle.

Breathe, Sister, breathe. Focus on them & your response, not yourself & your anger. Use it...turn it outward, not inward. Trust me, it's counterproductive. And thanks for all you do here. Put up that WMR piece again on the troops on the verge of mutiny over the neocons wanting to attack Iran. Great post!

Relax. Have a drink or a toke [or a dozen : ) ]. Don't make me get in touch w/ dada! *snark*

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looking for people who are MoveOn members here

Submitted by Fernando on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 8:40pm.
is like asking if we have a noses isn't it?

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True dat, Fer!

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KO just said Dim Son was being "pissy" in condeming the MoveOn ad.

Bruhahahahahaha...."PISSY!"

Bravo, Keith.

I would assume that if it isn't already up at C&L, the vid of KO's Special Ass-ripping will be, shortly.

don't get that we don't give a shit about the Democratic party?

Goodbye, moron.

to red-ass the "nattering nabob of negativism" posting

(aka, war-dog)

*hee*

It's cool they got stired up..I sure hate seeing everyone so pissed when the u.s. government fucks them up the ass...

Submitted by mia_nj on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 8:58pm.

you inspired me! after i read your posts immediately following the moveon ad ... I gave them $$ for their next ad.

and this apologizer is totally forgetting the ass licking petraeus had to do to get his stars. He rose because he licked best, look at the facts.

How many real Generals had to quit out of disgust for that clown to get a chance to clean a bung hole?

if it's not repubs suck - it's let get the dems to do what we want...?! I'm not the anon..but what am I missing...? It seems to me you want to make the dems something they are not...I swear I am not jumping on your shit...cuz we're all free beings here..but it does seem that way...unless you all voted third party since 2004...? I am missing something huge here...

...going to have a hot shower and think...

for reminding me to put MoveOn in my budget, not to mention reminding us all that we don't back a party here.

KO was great, and living in a time of universal deceit, after every special comment, I fear he will be fired-- ratings or not.
And thanks for your support of Moveon.

Well they sure don't care about you, but tell me, how is it you expect to will an election? Duh?

but I really appreciate the support Alice!

But, if you can post all of that stuff about anarchy and Latin America, then you can certainly take the seemingly banal stuff from MoveOn.

Thanks again. :)

"KO was great, and living in a time of universal deceit, after every special comment, I fear he will be fired-- ratings or not."

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I used to worry about that, but he's on fire right now, and Bush and the GOP is very out of favor, AND money talks bushit walks.

you are allegedly an Australian citizen...does the US dominate the world so bad that you give money to US groups and not Australian? Or maybe you do both? Just curious.

ok...going now...

Sept. 19, 2007 -- Military in revolt over Iran attack plans

WMR has learned that the U.S. military is in virtual open revolt over plans by the Pentagon to conduct a massive military strike on Iran. The opposition is especially prevalent in the Navy, according to our sources.

Summarizing comments by military members up and down the chain of command, from junior enlisted ranks to the Joint Chiefs of Staff, they include the belief that the neocons in the Bush administration are "insane" and "crazy."

Meanwhile, Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell, a former National Security Agency director, told Congress that espionage against the United States by China and Russia are now at Cold War levels. What McConnell did not state is that both nations are now required to use their intelligence assets to gauge the intentions of the highly-secretive Bush administration. The recent breakdown in the command and control of U.S. nuclear weapons has both Moscow and Beijing concerned about the political and military situations in the United States.

During the Cold War, the CIA used Kremlinologists and psychiatrists to ascertain the actions and intentions of the secretive Soviet political hierarchy. Today, Russia, China, India and other countries are employing "White House-ologists" to determine American plans. If McConnell wants to call that espionage, he is welcome but he is also misleading the Congress in order to justify his new Congressionally-granted massive surveillance powers.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20070919_1

They're having a "health care/financial security debate" right now on PBS but someone forgot to invite Obama & Kucinich?

Maybe they had better plans?

the US Govt...I gave up on them after Gore and Kerry...

in american politics...

the resolution to impeach cheney

--response *yawn*

the reslution against move-on

--response *kill, kill, kill*

Funny how you haven't heard Admiral Fallon's characerization through all this farcas about a god-damm ad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PfDro1UGUo

Period.

We will do what we think we have to, to make it that way. The party system has it's downfalls, and a name is only a name. We want good people to be in charge, but there are hurdles to getting those good people elected. We may have voted for a Democrat we didn't like because it was better than the Republicans gaining control of the Congress. We have to make those decisions with as much knowledge as possible.

I don't care about the party, only how it serves me. This isn't a football game.

a jump in title. and the "exceeds expectations" review that I have deserved the last two times...but after my shower I might only want a reduction in hours and could maybe let go of the rest for that...I do my best thinking in the shower...

and the only online petition i've signed is to bring back sam

but this is big!

i'll probably send some money to international clearing house, the white rose society, etc,

since i've been freeloading -- it's about time i forked over some cash to where my heart is

--We want America to be a great place to live for everyone.
Submitted by Catharine on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 9:29pm.
Period.--

I understand better now.

Others share my fear, Catherine:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/11/msnbc-fires-eric-alterman/

And Democrats must vote in congress to please the majority. MoveOn's views represent a small radical sample of real Americans. The backlash you saw was the response you always get to radical ads.

I made the best dinner. Not sure how salt got in there.

Yeah! I'm a radical! Thank you so much little girl. I so like you better now.

When you negotiate, start high! You can only negotiate lower. You can't negotiate higher.

***

When I left work I said I wanted a certain amount of money

Submitted by Alice on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 9:34pm.

a jump in title. and the "exceeds expectations" review that I have deserved the last two times...but after my shower I might only want a reduction in hours and could maybe let go of the rest for that...I do my best thinking in the shower..

***

Showers are also a good place to practice your heroic speeches!

Every ad MoveOn runs polarizes the real Americans.
Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 9:01pm.

______________

I am a real American and a member of MoveOn.org.

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Q1. //Signing is free// but i'm not a member until i donate money?

yes/no

___________________

Yes, signing up is free.

No, you do not need to donate to become a member.

After you sign up, MoveOn.org will add you to their mailing list and you will get regular updates (along with requests to donate for specific campaigns or ads).

Link:

http://www.moveon.org/

Sept. 20, 2007 -- Quisling Democrats vote with Republicans in passing anti-Move On resolution

A number of pro-war "Quisling" Democrats voted for a resolution introduced by GOP Texas Republican Senator John Cornyn to condemn MoveOn.org for placing an anti-war advertisement in the New York Times.

Cornyn's ploy is part of a GOP attack on Moveon.org spearheaded by Fox News and its usual propagandists. The right-wing is upset that the advertisement referred to General David Petraeus as General "Betray Us."

The Quisling Democrats are: Baucus (MT), Bayh (IN), Cardin (MD), Carper (DE), Casey (PA), Conrad (ND), Dorgan (ND), Feinstein (CA), Johnson (SD), Klobuchar (MN), Kohl (WI), Landrieu (LA), Leahy (VT), Lincoln (AR), McCaskill (MO), Mikulski (MD), Nelson (NE), Nelson (FL), Pryor (AR), Salazar (CO), Tester (MT), and Webb (VA).

Obama (IL) and Biden (DE) were no shows on 72-25 vote in favor of Cornyn's pro-war resolution.

WMR today made a contribution to MoveOn.org so it can create and place more ads attacking corrupt and dishonest flag rank military officers.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20070920_3

you're such a dick, catharine

:p

We want America to be a great place to live for everyone.
Submitted by Catharine on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 9:29pm.

Uh-huh and amen, you radical, you! :)

voxxy

: )

yeesh...well..I think I chose a fair amount...the people who are strictly in IT (no education required) get 21 an hour. I do what they do partly in this job...I'm not sure I have in my life ever just quit a job. I've left because I moved but not ever from being upset. It is a weird feeling to get so upset and just walk in to the boss's office and give notice (not a full-on quit, 2 weeks is polite if I want a reference)...but still...what a rush...

There will be a radio show this evening (pst) featuring the music of Klaus Nomi.
"A Different Nature" 9-11 pst (Midnight-2 Eastern time)
http://www.kboo.fm/listen

that would be interesting... :)

Submitted by air-ono on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 9:51pm.

you're such a dick, catharine

monologues in the shower.

Think about it... you're washing your hair, really giving it to that asshole you work for, or that ex-friend who stabbed you in the back. Everyone is brilliant in the shower.

I saved that link from before...I'll put that on at 9 (if I'm awake...)☪☆

£o♡e £o♡e £o♡e
♪-♥-♫-♥-♪-♥-♫-♥

Pardon me boy

Is that disgraced fundraiser Hsu-Hsu?

I just Donated too! Feels Good!!
I signed petition earlier..
You Go Girl !! :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Sept. 20, 2007 -- Bush claims Saddam Hussein killed Mandela.

At a White House news conference this morning, a clearly mentally unbalanced President George Bush suggested that Saddam killed Nelson Mandela, the post-apartheid President of South Africa. Bush said, "I heard somebody say, 'Now where's Mandela?' Well, Mandela is dead. Because Saddam Hussein killed all the Mandelas."

Nelson Mandela is alive at the age of 89. Mandela is engaged in various international efforts, including those aimed at combating AIDS and he recently convened a Council of the Elders, a group of wise global leaders who are trying to overcome the world's greatest problems. The group is chaired by Archbishop Desmond Tutu and includes, in addition to Mandela, Mandela's wife, Graca Machel; former UN Secretary General Kofi Annan; Ela Bhatt of the Self Employed Women's Association of India; former Norwegian Prime Minister Gro Harlem Brundtland; President Jimmy Carter; former Chinese Foreign Minister Li Zhaoxing; former Irish President Mary Robinson; and micro-loan pioneer Muhammad Yunus.

In 2003, Mandela criticized Bush and his policies, stating that Bush is "a president who has no foresight, who cannot think properly, is now wanting to plunge the world into a holocaust." Mandela also said that Dick Cheney, a one-time supporter of South Africa's apartheid regime, was a "dinosaur."

Bush's pathological ability to lie before millions of people on television is nothing new. Bush lied about Saddam Hussein possessing weapons of mass destruction. He now suggests that Saddam Hussein killed Nelson Mandela, who is still alive.

[The White House is explaining Bush's moronic gaffe by suggesting that there were Iraqis with the stature of Mandela but Saddam killed all of them. There were never any hunger strikes or organized protests to free any Iraqi with the notoriety of Mandela in South Africa. There were attempts to avoid war by Iraq's former Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz, but he is being held as a prisoner by U.S. occupation forces].

Bush also became irritated when NBC's David Gregory asked him about Israel's reported September 6 air strike on an alleged WMD facility in Syria. Bush shot back: "I'm not gonna comment on that." Israel has imposed a censorship news blackout on the air attack and Bush is complying with it from the White House. This is another clear indication that White House policy is dictated by Israel and its unregistered lobbyists in Washington, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and various not-for-profit think tanks that carry Israel's water in the nation's capital.

UPDATE: The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) today voted 53 to 2 with 47 abstentions on a resolution titled "Application of IAEA Safeguards in the Middle East." The resolution called on Israel to place its nuclear weapons program under IAEA international controls. The resolution calls on all nations in the Middle East "not to develop, test or otherwise acquire nuclear weapons" the and to "refrain from any action" hindering creation of a nuclear weapons free zone (NWFZ).

The two nations that voted against the resolution were Israel and the United States.

Voting for the resolution were China, India, Russia, Japan, Ireland, Iran, Venezuela, Egypt, Indonesia, Malaysia, Syria, and Cuba.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20070920_2

Saw 'The Nomi Song'
on IFC or Sundance a few weeks back.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0402406/

The bit about him singing behind Bowie of SNL was classic. I remember that show. I think they also sang TVC-15. it was schweet, baby!

Submitted by MMRules on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 10:07pm.

I just Donated too! Feels Good!!

Hahaha! Seriously! & I usually I forget everything as soon as I step out!:)

Everyone is brilliant in the shower.

i've never given money to any political movement
Submitted by air-ono on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 9:37pm.
and the only online petition i've signed is to bring back sam

but this is big!

since i've been freeloading -- it's about time i forked over some cash to where my heart is

________________

In Ono's [one's] heart of hearts!

.

Are you guys like,High? ;)
Just kidding!

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

the guy who eats with his mouth full on Sam's show?!

(I didn't open the link...)

But it looks typical...although I don't think Alterman is like Finkelstein...so I wonder what the deal is...Oh now I have to open the link..

and choose to answer the ones in my life...So why don't Congress people have to?

*

Hi Miss B! I love the nightime Bibi.. :) I miss all the fun during the day...

Submitted by bibimimi on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 10:06pm.
Pardon me boy
Is that disgraced fundraiser Hsu-Hsu?
----------------------------
Of course you realize that only you, me, and three or four other people get that joke without hearing the tune as the tip off? (Couldn't find anything to rhyme with Chattanooga, could you?)

Sept. 20, 2007 -- Castro privately criticized Soviet invasion of Afghanistan

As the United Nations General Assembly once again takes up the issue of America's cruel 45-year old embargo against Cuba, WMR has obtained a declassified Top Secret report indicating that Cuba's Fidel Castro privately broke with Moscow over the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

The document is dated February 1980 and is titled "Worldwide Reaction to the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan." It was prepared by the National Foreign Assessment Center.

The report states: "Castro, as the nominal leader of the nonaligned movement, undoubtedly felt some obligation to take a stand against the Soviet action." It continues: "Cuba's overwhelming dependence on the USSR brought strong pressure from Moscow."

Castro's criticism of the Soviets provided a potential opening for a U.S.-Cuba rapprochement but the oppressive influence of the right-wing Cuban Lobby in Florida and in Congress derailed a possible detente between Washington and Havana, a situation which has occurred numerous times over the last 45 years.

The report also states that Castro was reluctant to offer "immediate, unequivocal support for the Soviet position" and that the Soviet action "may place some temporary strains on Cuba's relationship with Moscow." The report also indicates that Castro was upset over the Soviet invasion because he was engaged in efforts to "woo wealthy Arab states" and trying to establish his leadership via the nonaligned movement.

Cuba, like Venezuela and Iran, has become a favorite target of the neocons precisely because Cube remains a leader of the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM). Last year, the Cuban Mission to the UN, in its capacity as the Chair of the Coordinating Bureau of the Non-Aligned Movement, issued a statement on Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's admission that Israel possessed nuclear weapons. Cuba, speaking for the NAM, insisted that the Middle East be declared a "zone free of all weapons of mass destruction" and that Israel accede to the Non Proliferation Treaty "without delay."

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20070920_1

Either way, he's not coming back next term!

Yay!

booga-booga!

[Steinberg!]

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Especially when they're not alone
Submitted by bibimimi on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 10:11pm.

Sept. 20, 2007 -- GOP Rep. Hoekstra has "cash problem"

Michigan Republican Representative Peter Hoekstra may have a "cash problem" similar to that of Louisiana Democrat William "Dollar Bill" Jefferson, who was indicted on bribery charges after $90,000 in cold cash was found in his freezer.

Hoekstra, who has been subpoenaed in the criminal trial of former defense contractor Brent Wilkes, was the recent victim of a theft in his Holland, Michigan home, according to knowledgeable sources. However, Hoekstra has sought to cover up the theft and has refused to press charges against the accused thief, a local gardener. The reason is that the gardener reportedly made off with $20,000 in cash from Hoekstra's house. Naturally, two questions are being asked in Hoekstra's district: Where did Hoekstra get $20,000 in cash and why was he keeping it in his house?

Hoekstra recently rejected a subpoena to appear as a witness in the trial of Wilkes, a colleague of imprisoned former California Republican Congressman Randy "Duke" Cunningham and indicted former CIA executive director Kyle "Dusty" Foggo. The following is the letter Hoekstra sent to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi:

September 13, 2007.

Hon. Nancy Pelosi,
Speaker, House of Representatives,
Washington, DC.

Dear Madam Speaker:

This is to notify you formally, pursuant to Rule VIII of the Rules of the House of Representatives, that I have been served with a subpoena, issued in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of California, for testimony in a criminal case.

After consultation with the Office of General Counsel, I have determined that compliance with the subpoena is inconsistent with the precedents and privileges of the House.

Sincerely,
Peter Hoekstra, Ranking Republican.

As previously reported by WMR, there is a "close connection between Hoekstra and Blackwater," the private security company that is currently embroiled in a scandal from its armed guards' massacre of at least 20 innocent civilians in Baghdad. Hoekstra is the ranking Republican member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20070920

Boogie time fer Alice!

I can only keep my ear to the rail so long.

I may be a victim of PMDD-EIEIO...but the news makes me sick!

[Brezsny was great help to me exacting myself from a bad relationship years ago!]

I signed the moveon petition earlier. b4 I left for work.

I like the passion on the blog tonight!

And you are right Catharine, about the Dems. And I felt the same way before work. Had to settle myself down.

I'm watching the PBS Debate for AARP. I am a member of that, although I don't agree with AARP completely.

bibimimi,

In Boston you could rhyme it with Senator Lugar.

exactly.

good.

clean.

er, fun.

will it work?

aka The Green Meanie, Special Sauce, Schnot Rocket, A Lieberman.

Who knows how many soldiers love him. If enough soldiers love him he'll be back.

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/41ZT43QX5TL._AA240_.jpg

McConnell again says public FISA debate will kill Americans. In an interview with the El Paso Times last month, Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell claimed that “Americans are going to die” because of the “public” debate on warrantless wiretapping. During his testimony today before the House Intelligence Committee, McConnell reiterated his morbid claim in an exchange with Rep. Anna Eshoo (D-CA):

ESHOO: After the act passed, you claimed that because of the congressional and public debate over changes to FISA, quote, Some Americans are going to die.

MCCONNELL: Yes, ma’am, that’s right.

ESHOO: Do you really believe that because we have a public debate in the Congress of the United States about surveillance, about the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, that Americans are going to die?

MCCONNELL: Yes, ma’am, I do.

ESHOO: And did Americans…

MCCONNELL: They will.

ESHOO: … die because of our debate?

MCCONNELL: They will, and the reason is…

ESHOO: I think you need to explain that, not just to us, obviously. The cameras are up. That’s a heavy statement.

MCCONNELL: The intelligence business is conducted in secret. It’s conducted in secret for a reason.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/mcconnell-unclassified/

the debate will be full of killer jokes!

‘A small price?’ Americans United for Change launched this ad today, criticizing Rep. John Boehner’s (R-OH) recent remarks that the U.S. troop casualties would be a “small price to pay” to stay in Iraq over the long-term. Watch the ad:

In a recent interview with Fox News, Boehner “dissembled so ostentatiously about his initial comments that even Fox News couldn’t help but call him on it.”

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/2007/09/boehner_respond.php

A dialog about Anna Eshoo and Norman Hsu is tempting.
Gesundheit.

Reid-Feingold withdrawal legislation fails. Today, the Reid-Feingold legislation, which would have cut off funds for combat in Iraq by June 2008, was rejected 28-70, “32 short of the 60 needed to cut off a GOP filibuster.” In May, the Reid-Feingold legislation failed by a 29-67 vote.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/09/20/national/w122705...

-[Brezsny was great help to me exacting myself from a bad relationship years ago!]-

Can you sum it up or is it a long thing too much too type?

EB (Exhausted Blogger) when I went to see him over the Summer he gave me a book he had from the 80's when Rob was on the Monterey Peninsula for something...it's called "Images are Dangerous" ...

sponsored by Claritin

Kansas cemetery ‘full’ because of Iraq war. A Kansas military cemetery “has run out of space after the burial of another casualty of the Iraq war.” “We are full,” said a spokeswoman for the Fort Riley U.S. Army post. “Fort Riley can bury bodies on top of other bodies if family members want to share a plot,” said the spokesperson.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070920/ts_nm/usa_iraq_cemetery_dc

Delete

I am an unwilling Centrist ever since this post:

Submitted by Alice on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 10:27pm.

I needed guidance, my decision-making was suspect, my dreams were getting deep and prophetic, my resolve was weaking. always going back, never moving forward.

he writes in pictures, not so much stream-of-consciousness, but in images and emotions and humor. makes it easier to really meditate on the issue that plagues you, rather than merely THINK about it.

make sense, er wha'?

That's his fantasy, at least.

dumby

ya, that was, er, sumpin', wan' it?

blog almost ate my homework

Fears of dollar collapse as Saudis take fright
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, International Business Editor
Last Updated: 8:39am BST 20/09/2007

Saudi Arabia has refused to cut interest rates in lockstep with the US Federal Reserve for the first time, signalling that the oil-rich Gulf kingdom is preparing to break the dollar currency peg in a move that risks setting off a stampede out of the dollar across the Middle East.

This is a very dangerous situation for the dollar," said Hans Redeker, currency chief at BNP Paribas.

"Saudi Arabia has $800bn (£400bn) in their future generation fund, and the entire region has $3,500bn under management. They face an inflationary threat and do not want to import an interest rate policy set for the recessionary conditions in the United States," he said.

The Saudi central bank said today that it would take "appropriate measures" to halt huge capital inflows into the country, but analysts say this policy is unsustainable and will inevitably lead to the collapse of the dollar peg.

As a close ally of the US, Riyadh has so far tried to stick to the peg, but the link is now destabilising its own economy.

The Fed's dramatic half point cut to 4.75pc yesterday has already caused a plunge in the world dollar index to a fifteen year low, touching with weakest level ever against the mighty euro at just under $1.40.

There is now a growing danger that global investors will start to shun the US bond markets. The latest US government data on foreign holdings released this week show a collapse in purchases of US bonds from $97bn to just $19bn in July, with outright net sales of US Treasuries.

The danger is that this could now accelerate as the yield gap between the United States and the rest of the world narrows rapidly, leaving America starved of foreign capital flows needed to cover its current account deficit - expected to reach $850bn this year, or 6.5pc of GDP.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml;jsessionid=BYRFMD0QYRQTVQFIQ...

Ben Bernanke has placed the dollar in a dangerous situation, say analysts

I think so...Do you remember what of his you read at the time...(from a wanting the book perspective, not a leaving my relationship perspective)...

isn't that some kind of fiscal porn where a dozen economists lay policy all over the President?

horoscopes in the Philadelphia City Paper.

Does that count?

.

crankie!

gut nocht

A bene placito a caelo usque ad centrum!
Submitted by Vi_Veri_Veniver... on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 12:15am.

Ubi fumus, ibi ignis

___________

Non. Flamma fumo est proxima.

Hot, Caldarium! Hot, Thermae!

Ubi est mea anaticula cumminosa?

Thermae - Bath et Ernie!

----------------

Thermae of Bath

Link:

http://www.romanbaths.co.uk/

or

Baths of Ernie - Via Sesame:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiaKtHSAy7U

Nullo Modo! Non thermae of Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici! Absum!

Jack Cafferty: Why a third party presidential candidate can't win Mike Aivaz and Muriel Kane
Published: Thursday September 20, 2007

Jack Cafferty reported on his CNN special, "It's Getting Ugly Out There," that even though 70% of Americans believe the country is going in the wrong directions and are fed up with both the Democrats and the Republicans, nothing is likely to change. "There's a big appetite for something different out there,' said Cafferty, "but it ain't going to happen any time soon."

Candy Crowley listed for Cafferty the many ways in which "the system is stacked" against third party presidential candidates. They have to spend months collecting petitions in each of the 50 states just to get on the ballot, and then their names may not be printed as prominently as those of the two major parties' candidates. They are rarely included in the campaign debates. And though they can get federal funding, it doesn't arrive until after the election. Even for a charismatic candidate with popular appeal, these would be almost unsurmountable barriers.

"Those hurdles have been put in place one brick at a time by the Republicans and Democrats over a very long period of time," said Cafferty. "It's exclusionary, and it's there to keep the Ross Perots and all of the other third party candidates the hell out of our lives. They don't want them around because, god forbid, somebody without a Democrat or a Republican affiliation might come along and explain to the American people why these two parties aren't the answer to much of anything anymore."

"The opportunity is there, but there's just so much else battling against it," concluded Crowley.

The following video is from CNN's Jack Cafferty special "It's Getting Ugly Out There," broadcast on September 19, 2007.

http://rawstory.com//news/2007/Jack_Cafferty_explains_why_Third_party_09...

Hope you can get to sleep fast tonight.

[snip]

"There is now a growing danger that global investors will start to shun the US bond markets. The latest US government data on foreign holdings released this week show a collapse in purchases of US bonds from $97bn to just $19bn in July, with outright net sales of US Treasuries."

FBI Stings Stevens
Breaking: Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK) taped by FBI in sting, CNN says, citing AP.

More shortly . . .

Here's the clip from CNN:

And from the AP:

The FBI, working with an Alaska oil contractor, secretly taped telephone calls with Sen. Ted Stevens as part of a public corruption sting, according to people close to the investigation. . . .
The recorded calls between Stevens and businessman Bill Allen were confirmed by two people close to the case who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is still under way. They declined to say how many calls were recorded or what was said.

To be clear, the oil contractor referred to above is Veco, which has been at the center of the wide-ranging Alaska public corruption investigation. Allen has pleaded guilty to corruption charges and last week testified in trial in a related case that Veco had given unreported gifts to Stevens in the form of renovations on Stevens' home.

--David Kurtz

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2007/09/fbi_taped_sen_stevens.php

Sweet dreams.......

Readers Respond
More than a few readers strenuously disagree with my assessment that making Senate Republicans actually go through with filibusters would be a pointless exercise for Democrats, in part because they lack 67 votes to override a veto.

TPM Reader JE:

I have to disagree here. It may be a pointless exercise in terms of passing legislation, but it is anything but pointless in terms of the making clear to the voters where the problem lies. . . .
For that very reason, the Democrats should make them filibuster, and use the term "filibuster" whenever they describe what the Republicans have done, not idiotic characterizations like "we don't have the votes." The only way to counteract Republican falsely blaming the Democrats for being "do-nothing" is to make it abundantly clear that Republicans are being obstructionist. *Make* them filibuster. Make it a true filibuster, which stops all other business until a cloture vote occurs. If anyone complains, or if anyone in the media doesn't get it, tell them that all you want is an up-or-down vote, but a minority of Republicans is preventing the business of the country from getting done, not to keep the bill from passing, but just so their president doesn't have to *bother* to veto it.

That's a heck of a lot less pointless than going through the motions of introducing bills you know won't pass because you "don't have the votes."

TPM Reader JC:

Hardly! The whole point is forcing Republican to defend their opposition to popular bills by obstructing the work of Congress with a filibuster. By meekly stepping aside after a failed cloture vote, Democrats basically allow the Republicans to make Democrats look like they are ineffective, and it's working. And when the Republicans tire of their filibuster or fail to follow through, it then forces the president to veto a popular bill, thus making things worse for him. The point is that it isn't the Democrat's pointless exercise. All they have to do is step back and let the Republicans hang themselves with filibusters and vetoes. Whose skin are they saving here?
More here:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/053790.php

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Federal grand jury issues subpoena for Buckham payroll records

A federal grand jury has subpoenaed payroll records from the House for Ed Buckham, former chief of staff to ex-House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas).

The subpoena, issued by a grand jury in Washington, D.C., is the first formal notification that Buckham is the focus of a federal corruption probe by the Justice Department. The subpoena was sent to Daniel Beard, chief administrative officer for the House, and formally read into the Congressional Record this afternoon, although Buckham was not mentioned in the official notification.

Buckham served as DeLay's chief of staff before leaving to become a lobbyist. He had extensive dealings with now imprisoned GOP lobbyist Jack Abramoff, and a former buiness associate Tony Rudy - also a former DeLay aide - has already pleaded guilty to accepting payments from Abramoff's clients while working for DeLay. The gifts, including payments to Rudy's wife, were in exchange for helping Abramoff and his clients with legislative matters, according to Rudy's plea agreement with DOJ.

Rudy also pleaded guilty to violating the one-year ban for former senior aides to approach their former bosses as lobbyists. It is unclear if the Justice Department is pursuing the same allegation against Buckham. Neil Volz, ex-chief of staff to imprisoned former Rep. Bob Ney (R-Ohio), pleaded guilty to same charge as well.

Buckham, an ordained minister, remained very close to DeLay after he left the Texas Republican's staff, advising DeLay on numerous political and legislative matters.

In recent months, a number of ex-DeLay staffers have been subpoenaed - or voluntarily came in for questioning - by the Justice Dept. to discuss the day-to-day operations of DeLay's office, including the role Buckham played once he left DeLay's staff, according to several sources familiar with the investigation.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0907/Federal_grand_jury_issues_su...

...

Have a good one..
Thanks for the funny! :)

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Anti-Syrian Lebanese parliament member Antoine Ghanem assassinated in car bombing. Israeli- and American-backed Lebanese once again blame Syria, just after an Israeli air attack on Syria. Cui bono?

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h_DD4r0_NvOZqXHp0QCi441BRwhQ

Thompson Doesn't Know Anything About The Jena Six
By Eric Kleefeld - September 20, 2007, 8:18PM
Here's another current issue Fred Thompson doesn't know about. On his way to a fundraiser in San Antonio, the candidate was asked about the Jena Six. "I don't know anything about it," he said.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/09/20/371814.aspx

Quote Of The Day II
By Greg Sargent - September 20, 2007, 5:41PM
"That 60-vote barrier is the gate around the President’s desk."
-- Nancy Pelosi, in a rare foray into criticism of Senate rules, arguing that the primary function of the GOP filibusters is to protect the President from having to veto Iraq withdrawal measures that are popular with the public. It certainly is working out that way, isn't it.

http://www.speaker.gov/blog/?p=777

MoveOn Hits Back At Senate: "No Wonder Public Approval Of Congress Is Tanking"
By Greg Sargent - September 20, 2007, 3:36PM
MoveOn chief Eli Pariser hammers back at today's Senate vote condemning his group with this statement:

"No wonder public approval of Congress is tanking. They’re so out of touch with reality that they can find time to condemn an ad but they can't do what most Americans want -- vote to end this war."
Hard to argue with, really. What we're really hoping to see soon is some polling on the question of the importance the American public accords the Ad Heard Round The World.

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/09/moveon_hits_back_at_senate_no_wond...

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad refused visit to Ground Zero. White House and New York City claim visit would be from a "state sponsor of terrorism." In a familiar tune, the neocons are trying to link Iran with 9/11, just as they did with Saddam Hussein. This is another reason why the UN, where Ahmedinejad is visiting, should move its headquarters out of the blatantly undiplomatic United States.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com

Quote Of The Day
By Greg Sargent - September 20, 2007, 3:16PM
"It is a sad day in the Senate when we spend hours debating an ad while our young people are dying in Iraq. Now that the Senate has twice voted on this ad, it is time to move on and vote to end the war."
-- Chris Dodd, in a statement on the Senate's votes today on whether to condemn MoveOn (Via Atrios).

'Terrible'.

By Spencer Ackerman - September 20, 2007, 8:07PM
A knowledgeable government source says the account Admiral Mike McConnell gave to the House intelligence committee about the procedure for wiretapping Iraqi insurgents earlier this year is "really terrible."

McConnell told the committee today that restrictions derived by the FISA Court this year on wiretapping foreign-to-foreign communications that pass through the U.S. prevented the NSA from surveilling Iraqi insurgents who had kidnapped U.S. soldiers for 12 hours. But the source, who is privvy to the timeline of the incident, says "internal bureaucratic wrangling," and not court-based restrictions, were responsible for the lag time. "To get an emergency warrant, you just have to believe the facts support the application that someone is an agent of a foreign power," the source says. "That takes approximately five seconds to establish if you're going after an Iraqi insurgent."

Why did so much time elapse before the surveillance?
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"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

New Hampshire Senate:
Shaheen (D) 48% Sununu 43%

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A Rasmussen Reports telephone survey in New Hampshire finds that former Governor Jeanne Shaheen (D) leads incumbent Senator John Sununu (R) 48% to 43%.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/rasmussen/20070920/pl_rasmussen/newhampshiresena...

Countdown Special Comment: The President Of Hypocrisy
By: Logan Murphy @ 6:52 PM - PDT In light of President Bush’s disgraceful presser today, Keith Olbermann decided to make a Special Comment on tonight’s Countdown and wow, did he make the most of it. Olbermann blasts the president for his cowardly and un-American behavior of pimping General Petraeus as a political hack and hiding behind him to deflect criticism.

To say that Keith took the president to the woodshed would be an understatement.

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Not One Red Cent
By: Nicole Belle @ 6:26 PM - PDT

I’m on board, how about you?

In fact, I’m going to take the money I would have donated to Democratic campaigns and donating it to MoveOn so that they can redouble their efforts.

Let those gutless Democrats in the Senate who once again caved to Republican framing know, “I will fight back.”

Assistant US Attorney Nathan Garrett, a "loyal Bushie" and a "loyal Bibi Netanyahuite," attacks former US Consul in Jerusalem Edward Abington for his testimony at terrorism trial. Garrett asks jury if Abington was "best the U.S. had to send to Jerusalem." Is Garrett the best we could have in a U.S. Attorneys office?

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-holyland20sep20,1,1...

Catharine,
I misspelled Norman Hsu's first name as Normon. Then bibimimi cut-and-pasted the error. Then I 'fessed up. Then she corrected her post. Then I corrected my post. Then I deleted the post that confessed my error that no longer existed. I intended to write something completely new but the muse was out to lunch. Apparently there is no option to delete (i.e. erase) a post?

Israel attacked Syrian installation. Jerusalem claims military facility involved Syria, Iran, and North Korea. Israel was aiding neocons in the United States drum up support for an American attack on Iran and Syria and scuttling U.S.-North Korean talks.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/904975.html

Gold Star Father Who Lost Son In Iraq Allegedly Beaten By Members Of Pro-War Group
By: Logan Murphy @ 11:31 AM - PDT We brought you Adam Kokesh’s incredible speech from last Saturday’s Iraq protests in Washington D.C., and unfortunately, there was an incident that occurred that day that was so disgusting it defies description.

Via After Downing Street:

Here are photos of members of “Gathering of Eagles” who assaulted gold star father Carlos Arredondo in broad daylight in Washington, D.C., on September 15, 2007, throwing him to the ground and kicking him.

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/downloads/carlos/index.htm

Account of what happened from Arredondo’s wife By Mélida Arredondo:

Carlos Arredondo, 47 year old father of two sons, arrived in the nation’s capitol on Monday, 09/10/07 to share a memorial he has made to honor for his eldest son, Alex. Carlos has visited thirty of the United States with the traveling memorial to his son Alexander. Lcpl. Alexander S. Arredondo, USMC was killed on 08/25/04. He was 20 years and 20 days old. The memorial consists of a casket, poster- size photographs of Alex when he graduated from boot camp, before his second tour in Iraq, lying in state at his wake, and a photo of Alex with his younger brother Brian.

Saturday, September 15, 2007 consisted of first a rally, a march towards the capitol and then a die-in. Carlos pulled the memorial along the march route approaching the rotunda near the capitol building. Several of the marchers requested for him to speak about the memorial where a crowd gathered around him. After finishing, several people walked with Carlos as he pulled the memorial. Several pictures of Alex dressed in his blues were attached to the display.

As Carlos passed counter protesters, one man ripped a picture of Alex from the memorial. Carlos leaped on the man to retrieve the picture. It was at that point that approximately five others all began to attack Carlos by kicking him in the head, legs, stomach and back.

This hateful group has a website, and while I have reservations about linking to them I feel that the depths of their hatred and ignorance must be seen to be believed and it must be beaten back. Please take the time to go look at the comments being made about Carlos at their site. No matter how enraging it may be, they must be exposed for who and what they really are.

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Beluga
Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 11:08pm.
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It's a good rhyme though short on syllables and very difficult to weave into the song joke. (Might be able to work it into Roe, roe, roe your boat...but it's still a long way to Chattanooga.)

I'm sorry I made you go through that. But, thanks for the explanation. Curiosity killed the cat.

Need sleep!

Thanks..You just gave me a Huge reason to donate to MoveOn.ORG!!

Say Hi to your East Coast Namesake,Joe Lie-berman!!

You are as much a Democrat as him!!

Please Retire Soon!!Or,run as a Republican!!
Corporate Senator!

Thank you,....

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Submitted by MMRules on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 11:46pm.
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I hope you didn't write the angry letter on your Bloom County stationary. It loses its punch alongside a cat looking in his underwear.

But,she ought to look in her underwear for Dick Cheney!

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

Chattanooga Choo Choo (6.2MB - MP3)

A federal prosecutor from Florida who authorities say flew to Michigan for a sexual encounter with a 5-year-old girl tried to hang himself in his jail cell Thursday but was stopped in time, the sheriff said.

Inept coward at that.

http://www.samsedershow.com/node/1311

This hateful group has a website, and while I have reservations about linking to them I feel that the depths of their hatred and ignorance must be seen to be believed and it must be beaten back. Please take the time to go look at the comments being made about Carlos at their site. No matter how enraging it may be, they must be exposed for who and what they really are.

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Bunch of assholes.

Funny thing was, half of them were saying it never happened, no one of our grand group would ever do such a thing, and then a number of them say "I was there!" No one, of course, notes the obvious conflict of those statements. It looks like the guy who is identified in that photo is the moderator of the blog. Bald guy wearing sunglasses and an American flag over his shoulder. What a tool. And he complains about being "bitten" by someone "attacking" him; and then says he's tough, semper fi, "I don't complain about minor cuts." Predictably he posts a few more times, in between bloviating, complaining he is on "major antibiotics!" A boo boo. What a tough guy.

it has to play out this way...The elites won't back down and neither will the people of this country...This is going to require the elites to clamp down harder and harder which will only fuel the rebellious nature of the american people...We can not and will not submit...

I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion. - Thomas Jefferson

The elites got too arrogant, began to do things in secret, tried to play us like children, did play us...Took from us the powers that ultimately belong to us...Whether it be because we trusted too much, got too lazy or were simply too timid doesn't matter...The elites have overstepped their bounds.

Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty. - Thomas Jefferson

You can tell a child not to play with fire but until they've actually burned their fingers they will seldom listen...So now we face some hard lessons in the responsibility of the individual in maintaining a free society from the threats within and not just those without...

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. - Thomas Jefferson

Like I said before Doofus...This will come to your own backyard and on that day remember me...till that time comes and this boat is sunk, try to stop beating the other passengers about the head with your oar like some panicked twit...it's embarassing.

I'm sure MoveOn got record donations as a result of this vote. The donations will fuel more tv ads to get out the truth. Maybe MoveOn will start going after some of these Democrat traders.

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"Parodies for Peace Movement"
(It's called a protest movement.)
PEACHES (aka "Soft and Fuzzy Anonymous")

And,Republican Warmongering Lying Hypocrites!!

"Hello to our friends and fans in domestic surveillance."

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"Parodies for Peace Movement"
(It's called a protest movement.)
PEACHES (aka "Soft and Fuzzy Anonymous")

the whole interview. I'll have it on the widget in just a sec.

Marc kept circling back in his conversation about how important individual people are. Or at least that's what I got out of it.

who talks like that?

"Fernando" (ABBA)

"How proud you were to fight for freedom in this land!"

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"Parodies for Peace Movement"
(It's called a protest movement.)
PEACHES (aka "Soft and Fuzzy Anonymous")

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